Duplicating Military Loads

[30 cal slut]

Handy reference I got from dryflash3 over at TOS. Thought I'd pass it on.

Hope it's not a dupe, apologies if it is.

Source:

http://www.frfrogspad.com/miscellq.htm

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/30calslut/military_loads_frogspad.png

[RogerinTPA]

Good info...a lot of guys looking for this data. ;)

[MHL555]

30 cal., great staff. Thank you :)

[Abraxas]

Good info...a lot of guys looking for this data. ;)

Tag for later

[shootist~]

24.0 grains of TAC (using LC brass, SMK 77 gr bullets, and Rem 7 1/2 primers) runs a good 100 feet per second slower than the BH commercial Mk262 load. This is in a 18" Noveske SPR barrel. Maybe they are using a hotter primer, or using a 20" barrel against the reported velocity for Mk262.

The good news is the 24.0 TAC load @ 2,700 fps (Vs 2,814 for my lot of Mk262) is a somewhat more accurate (for me) and does not beat the brass all to hell.

[MustangGreg66]

Nice, I'll have to keep that in mind. Too bad they don't have the C.O.L. also.

[chadbag]

be interesting to see elevation, temperature, humidity, and air pressure specs for this as well...

[NWPilgrim]

I don't know where they got the suggested load data, but the .30 Carbine looks low to me. All other references I have found say the milspec load for it is 15.0 gr of W296 (same as H110). I tried 14.0, 14.3, 14.5 14.7 and 15.0 gr and only got 100% reliable cycling with 15.0 gr. The 14.0 gr H110 would be way to light in my experience.

The other cartridge loads look more normal.

[99merckx]

24.0 grains of TAC (using LC brass, SMK 77 gr bullets, and Rem 7 1/2 primers) runs a good 100 feet per second slower than the BH commercial Mk262 load. This is in a 18" Noveske SPR barrel. Maybe they are using a hotter primer, or using a 20" barrel against the reported velocity for Mk262.

The good news is the 24.0 TAC load @ 2,700 fps (Vs 2,814 for my lot of Mk262) is a somewhat more accurate (for me) and does not beat the brass all to hell.

Good call...I pulled samples from 3 different lots of MK262 MK1 last winter, and weighted the powder charges, (which lookes A LOT like TAC), and the charges were quite a bit larger that 24grs. They (Black Hills), must be using a different powder, or a special formulation of TAC. I also cannot get the velocities from my handloads that I get over my crono from MK262. Pressure signs start showing up, and I'm thinking it's just not worth the price.

[bulbvivid]

I shot with a friend the other day who had loaded some 9mm to what he said was NATO spec using 124 gr. bullets and 8 grs. of Blue Dot. Flattened the primers quite nicely and was going ~1300 fps.

After that I got to digging around and found TM 43-0001-27, the Army Ammunition Data Sheets for small caliber ammunition. In that manual, the load for M882 shows a 112 gr. bullet with 6 grs. of HPC 26.

I've heard more than once of a 124 gr. bullet in NATO 9mm. Anybody know where this information is originating from? Is there a NATO 9mm load using a 124 gr. bullet?

[bigrobbierob]

I shot with a friend the other day who had loaded some 9mm to what he said was NATO spec using 124 gr. bullets and 8 grs. of Blue Dot. Flattened the primers quite nicely and was going ~1300 fps.

After that I got to digging around and found TM 43-0001-27, the Army Ammunition Data Sheets for small caliber ammunition. In that manual, the load for M882 shows a 112 gr. bullet with 6 grs. of HPC 26.

I've heard more than once of a 124 gr. bullet in NATO 9mm. Anybody know where this information is originating from? Is there a NATO 9mm load using a 124 gr. bullet?

Tagging cause this is the info I am also looking for.

[wahoo95]

The NATO 9mm load does use 124gr FMJ....not sure why that data showed 112gr bullets as I have never seen those before.

[30 cal slut]

Has anyone found anything egregiously wrong with the info referenced in OP?

[30 cal slut]

Stumbled on this site. It specifically mentions propellant used, but not amount.

http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/rifle/556mm_ammo.html

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f15/30calslut/556andpowders.png

[Nightvisionary]

Has anyone found anything egregiously wrong with the info referenced in OP?

Not to far off but I needed 24.4 grains of TAC to get to 2750 with 77 grn bullets through my carbine.

[spleify]

Great chart, thanks for sharing