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Up front my search-Fu is weak but I couldn't find anything already here.
Anyone have anything to share re. this thin barrel, no forward assist, TRX equipped carbine?
I have seen pics of it that Clint had John build, understand it should be released shortly & it WILL have the Nov FFL.
Up front my search-Fu is weak but I couldn't find anything already here.
Anyone have anything to share re. this thin barrel, no forward assist, TRX equipped carbine?
I have seen pics of it that Clint had John build, understand it should be released shortly & it WILL have the Nov FFL.
Its very nice, and feels great in your hands.
Its very nice, and feels great in your hands.
and you're sitting on 6000 pictures of it :p
when can we see them?
All the details should be out soon (with pics), the ones you have are correct.
and you're sitting on 6000 pictures of it :p
when can we see them?
What Randolph said above & waiting for the details per Todd below.
Todd.K > " All the details should be out soon (with pics), the ones you have are correct. "
Are you guys going to be releasing any details about this project today? I was told to look at the website today, but I haven't seen anything yet.
thanks.
It is posted...
14.5" Thunder Ranch Special Edition Rifle (http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=r-trsc-556&cat=152&page=1&search=&since=&status=)
Wow, looks lightweight...6lbs, 3oz!
Interesting. Sounds similar to a carbine I was building for my fiance.
snackgunner
06-17-11, 21:28
Will there only be a 14.5 version?
Anyone seen Todd?
Thinking the Noveske faithful (I'm there) will be all a twitter over the FFL.
The Thunder Ranch will be just this one 14.5" model.
The balance is great with the TRX and skinny barrel up front.
When will these be available? Whats the price?
The Thunder Ranch will be just this one 14.5" model.
The balance is great with the TRX and skinny barrel up front.
Is it a re-profiled version of your N4 barrels?
It's a skinny contour barrel with .625" gas block.
TonyTacoma
06-18-11, 12:22
Oh great, I think more money will be making its way out of my account soon.
Hogsgunwild
06-18-11, 12:48
Oh great, I think more money will be making its way out of my account soon.
Indeed. I thought my "have to have" gun list was gone. Not now.
Will there be a choice so far as muzzle devices are concerned?
We carry a bunch of different muzzle devices that can be ordered on the rifle.
Wow! That should make a great rifle.
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=r-trsc-556&cat=152&page=1&search=&since=&status=
I already sent this question in via the website, but I'll state that if it's possible to order this rifle with a BC1.5 on the muzzle and the VTAC flavor of the TROY Extreme handguard, then my wife will have one under the tree this year (or sooner).
Sorta surprised that no one here has seen the TR/Nov that is listed over on GB.
Now I have heard that Noveske makes outstanding barrels, but almost $2200.00 for a rifle with a $179.00 rail on it? What am I missing?
Fire_Medic
06-23-11, 21:19
Now I have heard that Noveske makes outstanding barrels, but almost $2200.00 for a rifle with a $179.00 rail on it? What am I missing?
First and foremost the quality of the barrel, then the Gen II lower, the VLTOR MUR upper receiver, Vortex flash hider, Noveske end plate, CTR stock, MOE grip, Troy flip up sights, gas buster charging handle this rifle needs a sling, optic, and light an you're GTG, with a top of the line rig.
Check out the link Rob posted an you can see the specs........
A lot of people lose sight of how fast the cost goes up of buying a standard Colt, BCM, LMT, DD and then adding all the extras. It already comes with most of the upgrades anyone would make and it's all warrantied by Noveske because they built it.
Might be worth it for some, might not be for others............
Yeah, I checked the specs. Thats why I said what am I missing. All of those extras really dont ad up. The upper and lower are still forged, the sights are about $220, $30 for the grip etc. Heck, you can by a SR15 for less all day and it comes with a better trigger and more $$ stock. Not bashing as I think Noveske makes great stuff and I live in Oregon.
Fire_Medic
06-23-11, 21:39
Gen II lower you can't price because right now that's the only way to get it:
- Vltor MUR $229
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=murba&cat=164&page=1&search=&since=&status=
- Noveske Marked Sights- $200
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=buisfrblk&cat=162&page=1&search=&since=&status=
- Noveske BCG $150
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=556bcg&cat=164&page=1&search=&since=&status=
- Gas Buster CH- $90
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=chgb556&cat=164&page=1&search=&since=&status=
- Magpul CTR- $97
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=mplctr&cat=166&page=1&search=&since=&status=
MOE Grip- $20
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Magpul-MOE-AR15-M16-Grip-BLACK-p/mag415%20-%20black.htm
Noveske QD end plate- $25
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=rec-qdep&cat=164&page=1&search=&since=&status=
Vortex FH- $50 + labor to pin and weld for compliance
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=fsg6a2d&cat=141&page=1&search=&since=&status=
Troy 11" Rail $175
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Troy-TRX-Extreme-Battle-Rail-p/troy%20strx-eli-e0bt.htm
The parts above alone add up to $1,036 without taking shipping/tax into consideration, so I just don't see how would duplicate this rifle for less money, you would also have to factor in tools for the build. Still have to factor in LPK, RE tube, spring, buffer, BARREL, gas tube, LP gas block, magazine, and labor for building it.
I hear you on the SR-15, but like I said before different strokes for different folks. And FWIW, the SR-15 was in the same price range when it was first released, don't know where you're getting a NEW SR-15 for $1500, I have seen just the uppers complete with buffer and spring sell for that much.
The Thunder Ranch rifle is on Noveskes site for $2195. Now it it was say, $1600 I would order one tomorrow.
Rattlehead
06-24-11, 00:38
The Thunder Ranch rifle is on Noveskes site for $2195. Now it it was say, $1600 I would order one tomorrow.
Welp, you get what you pay for.
Looks like a very nice setup....maybe within the next couple of months....
While I agree that comparisons to other guns may or may not be applicable, I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing the price.
No tools required, and the equivalent as I could assemble it:
$785 BCM BFH 14.5" Mid Length Upper Receiver Group w/ VTAC TRX 11" Handguard w/ A2X perm install (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-14-5-Mid-Length-BFH-Upper-Receiver-VTAC-p/bcm-urg-mid-14bfh%20vtactrx11.htm)
$100 Troy Folding Battle Sight - Front - M4 Type - Black (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Troy-Folding-Battle-Sight-Front-p/troy%20front%20sight%20rail%20mount%20m4.htm)
$120 Troy Folding Battle Sight - REAR (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Troy-Folding-Battle-Sight-REAR-p/troy%20rear%20sight%20-%20rear.htm)
$140 BCM Bolt Carrier Group (MPI) - Auto (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bolt-Carrier-Group-MPI-Auto-M16-p/bcm%20bolt%20carrier%20group%20auto%20mp.htm)
$45 BCMGUNFIGHTER] Charging Handle (5.56mm/.223) w/ Mod 4 (MEDIUM) Latch (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-GUNFIGHTER-Charging-Handle-GFH-Mod-4-p/bcm%20gfh%20mod%204%20556.htm)
$480 Daniel Defense Complete lower with MOE stock (http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=DD-22000C)
$1,670 Total (somebody check my math)
The above differs from the Noveske in a couple of ways:
FH is an A2X instead of Vortex (price wash)
upper is not a MUR (don't know the premium here)
handguard is VTAC instead of standard Troy (price wash)
Stock is MOE instead of CTR (add $40 for the CTR)
Grip is A2 instead of MOE (add $20 for MOE)
No magazine
No DVD
Obviously lack the FFL lower, but the DD quoted has the best magwell of the currently available forged lowers I've seen
Let's just add $200 as a premium for all of this combined bringing us to $1,870
IMO the MUR vs. a standard upper and a CTR vs. a MOE stock are counter-intuitive to this project as both add weight for (to me) no appreciable benefit. I may be wrong on the MUR, and would love to see a weight comparison, but it definitely adds cost.
To many that's going to leave $400 on the table. Which is not the same thing as me saying I don't think the Noveske is worth the premium, I'm just saying that in pure math it may not add up for some people.
Fire_Medic
06-24-11, 10:03
Rob the following is from VLTOR's website on the MUR upper receivers:
MUR-1A (with assist) weighs less than 10 oz.
The MUR-1S (shell deflector only) weighs less than 8 oz.
You are also stuck paying the federal excise tax on the Noveske.
I like the build, though. Looks like a well thought out weapon
It's easy to forget the FET when you price out rifle parts to build.
The MUR-1S weighs exactly the same as an M4 upper, 8.5 oz. The size of the project didn't allow for a new upper forging with shell deflector and no forward assist.
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/thunder-ranch-carbine/STKL0990-A-1024-MT.jpg
What is the advantage of the MUR in this project? What, if any, are the disadvantages? Will it work with a BAD?
Les Baer sells a non-FA flattop upper. I bought one. Only downside I see so far is they carried their stupid tighter-then-a-frog's-ass mentality to the upper. If I could figure out what to drill I would. I can't imagine they are making these themselves and would assume they are sourcing them from somewhere but I couldn't figure out who and got stuck buying from them.
I think I'm gonna wind up with one of these.
I realize that I could piece one together that would be cheaper, but the fact that this gun is exactly what I would want to start out with, kinda makes me want it more.
The only question I have is why no forward assist?
Only downside I see so far is they carried their stupid tighter-then-a-frog's-ass mentality to the upper.
I see I'm not the only one. I tried the Les Baer pistols and the gun are fit ridiculously tight. Who needs a press fit mainspring housing??
What is the advantage of the MUR in this project? What, if any, are the disadvantages? Will it work with a BAD?
Les Baer sells a non-FA flattop upper. I bought one. Only downside I see so far is they carried their stupid tighter-then-a-frog's-ass mentality to the upper. If I could figure out what to drill I would. I can't imagine they are making these themselves and would assume they are sourcing them from somewhere but I couldn't figure out who and got stuck buying from them.
I'm lost on this one, what does Les Baer have to do with this?
I'm lost on this one, what does Les Baer have to do with this?
First, it's called a DISCUSSION forum. Discussions tend to wander here or there.
Second, since we evidently now need to justify all of our posts, Todd said
The size of the project didn't allow for a new upper forging with shell deflector and no forward assist.
And I was simply pointing out that someone somewhere was obviously already forging uppers in the configuration he mentions. While I was at it I was pointing out hat the specific upper I have does have it's own drawbacks.
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