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My first post in guns section here, so go easy on me guys. Five years ago I was all ready to buy a Glock17, after a lifetime of revolvers. I tried the Glock and then tried a XD9 and really liked the grip angle ergonomics etc. and settled on the XD, because "its just as good as the Glock, just different." Then life reared its ugly head and any pistol purchases were quickly forgotten. Fast forward to 3 months ago. I found a "gently used" XD9 Tactical for about $150 less than a brand new Glock. Wow says I remembering the research I did five years ago. "Its just as good as Glock and for less money." So I purchased it. Due to work considerations it sat for several weeks before I could fire it. By then I found M4Carbine and started researching the XD's. My, how the perceptions have changed since 2006 when I started researching that pistol. No matter, I'll just order some upgraded roll pins and a trigger kit from Bownells, right? Hmm not so much. Since I happen to live in the great Socialist Dominion of Canada, Brownells won't ship the roll pins and trigger parts north, because the manufacturer is not export licensed. And there is NO support that I can find for these pistols anywhere up here, no parts, no service no nothing. Crap, well lets hope for the best. First 500 rounds no problem, well except that pesky roll pin creeps creeping up. 1000rds, hmm, grip safety no longer disengages.....okay readjust the grip gun fires, reload, gun is frozen, the grip safety has failed and I can't unload the live round. Long story short, after lots of movement (brass mallet) the grip safety engaged and allowed me to rack out the live round. Nearest XD dealer is a three hour one way drive away and he tells me not to expect to see the gun back this year from any factory work. He offered me half of what I paid for it on trade for a new Gen4 Glock17:jester: I think I may take him up on it. Damn where were you guys 3 months ago???;)
Yup should've bought a Glock and been done with it. Live and learn.
Sorry to hear about your situation with the pistol, but don't forget that experience can be a fair trade. You have to do to learn, and many of us have learned the hard way under similar circumstances.
That said, I say go for the Glock.
You learned hard lesson...you can't polish a turd, no matter how hard you try..ditch the XD, get the Glock, and drive on..
PA PATRIOT
06-21-11, 18:57
I would read up on Gen 4 Glocks before deciding to take the plunge.
BigBuckeye
06-21-11, 20:26
Springfield Armory's customer service is second to none..did you call them?
My XDM 3.8 has over 3500 trouble free rounds.
I can't comment on Springfield's current warranty service, but I don't understand why so many people want to go to dealers with these problems instead of to the manufacturer. When I was selling guns we would take them in from time to time for warranty service, but the customer would have been better off sending it in themselves rather than going through us.
I would suggest getting in touch with Springfield directly and talking to them about the problems you're having.
Since the pesky US/Canada export/import laws make sending a handgun virtually impossible across the border for an individual, I called Springfield USA. My call to Springfield went like this...."Your calling from where? Canada? Where?? Sorry sir you'll have to call xxx-xxx-xxxx. They look after problems up there." Three weeks no reply to voicemail and absolutely no response to the email. Live and learn, too damn bad it costs so much.:p
Kinda reminds me of my fling with the Lee Pro 1000 press.:bad: Yup now own a Dillon. Man I should know better by now. Thanks for your responses gentlemen.
misanthropist
06-21-11, 22:17
Man, you don't know the flak I've taken on Canadian Gun Nutz trying to warn people about the XD.
People REALLY do not like to be told that the gun they've decided to buy, or have already bought, is not as good as another gun.
I understand when people are attached to a gun they've bought...but I really don't get the guys who ask for opinions on a gun they're "researching" and then, when you explain the issues with that gun, they get in a huff and buy it anyway.
Anyway, experience is, as they say, the thing you get right after you really needed it. A pricey lesson in a way, but then...a few hundred dollars is not that much to pay for the principle you just learned. When it comes to guns that you need, or even just really want, to work, GO WITH KNOWN QUANTITIES!
I'm amazed that there are still people out there that think that, for example, 9mm Glocks are common just because they're cheap or on TV or whatever. Man...we know what guns work. When it comes to tools, don't play snowflake...just use what every other pro is using, because it's working.
Anyway that's not directed at you, just a by-product of too much time in the CGN Pistols and Revolvers forum.
I think the ability to say "I was wrong/screwed up/made a bad choice is very important to growing up. Some people never do. I kept telling myself, "Its okay, its just the internet talking, your XD will be fine." HA! I hope not to many people from CGN are here I may have to get that thing repaired and try and sell it on the EE.:D
Surely you find a Glock cheaper in the local 'hood...
misanthropist
06-21-11, 23:04
I think the ability to say "I was wrong/screwed up/made a bad choice is very important to growing up. Some people never do. I kept telling myself, "Its okay, its just the internet talking, your XD will be fine." HA! I hope not to many people from CGN are here I may have to get that thing repaired and try and sell it on the EE.:D
Some, but not many...I would get it fixed, sell it there to one of the many people for whom it would be perfectly adequate, and get something else.
This is a critical stage in gun development IMO...the point at which you begin to value proven guns, and become highly skeptical of 99% of the "I have one it's great" posts on the internet.
Over the course of the last 16 months I've dumped almost 3/4 of my collection. All the cheap guns, weird calibers and collectables/customs" are gone. I am now concentrating on just a few high quality firearms in basic calibers, .22lr, 9mm, .45ACP, .308, .223, .300WIN. With a back up of each one. My mistake was not doing any new research on the XD. Lesson learned: keep your research up to date and more isn't always better. Except ammo, more ammo is always better.
Glock purchase update. Just made a offer on a new Gen3 G17, only 200 rounds down the pipe. $515 CDN shipped. I hope I get it.:D
Lucky Strike
06-22-11, 19:56
Sucks that you had problems....my XD's been trouble free for probably 5k rounds now, been through about 3 classes and a couple years worth of ipsc/steel challenge matches and ran like a pro.
That being said if mine behaved like yours did I'd ditch it too.
Good to see you went with a Gen 3 glock instead of a Gen 4....it would have sucked to sell a problematic gun only to get a new one that could have potentially given you more issues.
Sucks you got a lemon. I'm on my 5th XD and I've never had a problem.
Wanted a Glock 19 and went in for one and ended up highly pressured by the salesman who dealt with me to get an XD for various reasons (got double recoil springs which is so much better and more reliable and less prone to breaking, grip safety, the chamber loaded indicator is blabla, cocked indicator, etc) and ended up leaving with the Glock 19, what can you say I am one of those asses who leaves with what I set in to get :secret:
Anyhow some years later I wanted a full sized mostly as a range toy and at this point the XDm was out and some acquaintances had them and liked them so I looked into it some and bought XDm9. Nothing really horrible to report but it is more prone to not go bang when I want it to like the Glock, grip is a little bit off, doesn't point like the Glock, and all that fun stuff. Really I have to say that at least the XDm series (cannot vouch really for XD) is all right but there is likely a better gun out there for each individual in my opinion as I don't see it being "the best" for a few reasons.
Reason why I am saying this is because there are probably people like me who did snoop around about XDs and XDms and bought one anyway because I honestly felt like a lot of the nay sayers seemed out of place (second hand accounts, facts based off older ones, things that just don't click) so from a first hand experience it is decent and I would use it over various other pistols, there is just better out there and as I said it was intended more as a "range toy" where if I was looking for a full sized to replace my Glock 19 is would have been a Glock 17.
Tiresome.
Glocks also malfunction. There are examples all over the internet. Believe it or not I've actually seen one lock up in person. Delayed our class while the glock fanboy aka glock armorer aka instructor tried to get it to run. He never did get it to run and ended up loaning the guy a ruger .22 to use.
I may never fit in with the cool kids but I'm getting along fine with my xd's, fnp's and 1911.
If the OP had bought a Glock with these issues in Canada, how is the GLOCK/Canada CS? S.A. CS is outstanding stateside.
Go Gen3 Glock and don't have to worry.
Sorry to hear about your troubles, OP. Only reason I have the XD is because the fiancees EX left it when he moved out 4 years ago. :) what a nice surprise to find buried in the closet. I own both and the Glock is already my favorite. I'm a 1911 guy so the grip safety doesn't bother me on the XD but the composition, grip angle, width, etc. is superior on the Glock IMO. People speak of the XD having a better trigger...frankly I can't tell the difference. If I want to shoot something with a great trigger, I'll look to a 1911 most likely. I don't expect much from DA guns.
A lot of friends have gotten sucked into XDs instead of Glocks because of the XDm package...ya know the magazine pouch, 'holster', etc. None of them have since touched any of the M excessories
My springfield XD 45 compact is pretty much my favorite pistol of all time. No stoppages or malfunctions ever.
Im sorry to hear about your luck though, that's why I avoid used guns.
...People REALLY do not like to be told that the gun they've decided to buy, or have already bought, is not as good as another gun...
That is the truth! A woman (5'4" 120lbs) came into the store where I work a couple weeks ago wanting a handgun because her house had been broken into. The only gun she had shot in her life was an XDm .45 owned by the guy who came in with her and he was was telling her that was "exactly what she needs". After much convincing I was able to talk her into a 9mm but I could not for the life of me, talk her into a Glock or M&P. The guy got all butt hurt when I explained some of the problems associated with the XD series and how the probability of her getting one that wouldn't function properly was greater than the other two options. The result: she spent over $700 and walked out the door with a XDm 9mm when she could have gotten a Glock or M&P for much less.
OP: I hate to hear that you've had problems and it is going to cost you more money but I am glad to hear your headed towards something else now. Best of luck.
I can't comment on Springfield's current warranty service, but I don't understand why so many people want to go to dealers with these problems instead of to the manufacturer. When I was selling guns we would take them in from time to time for warranty service, but the customer would have been better off sending it in themselves rather than going through us.
I would suggest getting in touch with Springfield directly and talking to them about the problems you're having.
Right. People do not realize that the dealer does NOT provide warranty coverage. Only the manufacturer does this.
Where the dealer does come into play is if the customer is getting jerked around by the manufacturer. Then we (dealers) need to step in and help.
C4
Go Gen3 Glock and don't have to worry.
This is no longer true (with current productions).
C4
This is no longer true (with current productions).
C4
I've tried to sort through the info on how to tell the newer production Gen3's from the older ones but can't quite figure it out. Is the quickest way to tell by looking for the extractor with the "dip" as some are calling it?
Edit: Please disregard. Found the info.
While contacting the factory direct is great in the US, it works differently up here. Take it back to the dealer (get government approved transport permit first if "restricted" handgun) the dealer sends it to the distributor who then sends it to the factory authorized repair depot. Occasionally the end user is told to ship the gun to the repair depot directly themselves. Rarely will it go directly back to the US factory. US/Canada import/export laws make that difficult for the dealers/distributors and virtually impossible to the average end user. And to be brutally honest at least half the people just pay for the repairs themselves instead of trying to dick around with the dealer/distributor/factory warranty program. At least that was the case 8 years ago when I was working for a gunsmith. Half our work was repairs to brand new guys because there was no warranty system in place or it just took to long when there was.
I could probably deal with the problems with the XD if there were some support from Springfield in place or at least if some aftermarket parts were available up here. Glock has a outstanding selection of parts and there are several sources for parts and service.
It sounds like Glock has the LE market in Canada, therefor the parts. S.A. must not want to get involved with Canadian RED TAPE. I'm sorry your having all the issues as my XDm is flawless. If Glock could do something with the grip I'd think about one, but the XD/XDm feels so much like a 1911, a glove not a brick the way Glocks do. Trade the XD in on a 1911/Hi-Power.
I have one XD, two XDms and just purchased an XDmc 3.8 last night. The three I have all have over 10K rounds thru each. I did break a roll pin in one while dry firing it and I do replace all the trigger bars with one from Springer Precision. No malfunctions with any pistol when actually firing them.
Sorry to hear about your troubles, OP. Only reason I have the XD is because the fiancees EX left it when he moved out 4 years ago. :) what a nice surprise to find buried in the closet. I own both and the Glock is already my favorite. I'm a 1911 guy so the grip safety doesn't bother me on the XD but the composition, grip angle, width, etc. is superior on the Glock IMO. People speak of the XD having a better trigger...frankly I can't tell the difference. If I want to shoot something with a great trigger, I'll look to a 1911 most likely. I don't expect much from DA guns.
A lot of friends have gotten sucked into XDs instead of Glocks because of the XDm package...ya know the magazine pouch, 'holster', etc. None of them have since touched any of the M excessories
That reminds me, another reason I got the XDm at that point for a range gun/trying at the time over something else was because there was a promo going on for extra magazines and mag holder. Mag holders don't seem all that bad, holster is nothing you would want to trust or use outside a range imo.
That is the truth! A woman (5'4" 120lbs) came into the store where I work a couple weeks ago wanting a handgun because her house had been broken into. The only gun she had shot in her life was an XDm .45 owned by the guy who came in with her and he was was telling her that was "exactly what she needs". After much convincing I was able to talk her into a 9mm but I could not for the life of me, talk her into a Glock or M&P. The guy got all butt hurt when I explained some of the problems associated with the XD series and how the probability of her getting one that wouldn't function properly was greater than the other two options. The result: she spent over $700 and walked out the door with a XDm 9mm when she could have gotten a Glock or M&P for much less.
OP: I hate to hear that you've had problems and it is going to cost you more money but I am glad to hear your headed towards something else now. Best of luck.
Still wonder if some guy has posts out there about how he tried to sell someone a superior XD but they were bull headed and stuck with the Glock 19 they came in determined for. Would be funny to know.
While contacting the factory direct is great in the US, it works differently up here. Take it back to the dealer (get government approved transport permit first if "restricted" handgun) the dealer sends it to the distributor who then sends it to the factory authorized repair depot. Occasionally the end user is told to ship the gun to the repair depot directly themselves. Rarely will it go directly back to the US factory. US/Canada import/export laws make that difficult for the dealers/distributors and virtually impossible to the average end user. And to be brutally honest at least half the people just pay for the repairs themselves instead of trying to dick around with the dealer/distributor/factory warranty program. At least that was the case 8 years ago when I was working for a gunsmith. Half our work was repairs to brand new guys because there was no warranty system in place or it just took to long when there was.
I could probably deal with the problems with the XD if there were some support from Springfield in place or at least if some aftermarket parts were available up here. Glock has a outstanding selection of parts and there are several sources for parts and service.
That sucks. Probably would be a lot better without government red tape such as transportation and shipping laws. Granted it would still be better if the problem didn't arise in the first place.
kingflex75
05-23-13, 21:37
I must say I'm sorry you've had a bad experience with your XD. I have carried every handgun you can imagine. Wilson combat 1911's, Sig p226, Glock 21,30, and now enters the most reliable and accurate handgun I own. The XD .45!! It has 3500 rounds through it and never been to the factory for anything. Only issue is holster wear on the slide because I carry it everywhere!!! Nothing a little Cerakote cant fix. This gun is all business. I would give Springfield another look before you write them off.
Holy necropost batman. This thread is two years old. There is no XD love here, get used to it.
With all due respect, many professionals and professional instructors have been shooting Glock long before the term "fanboy" was around. It is an irritating term almost to the point where it no longer has value other than attempt to bash Glock users.
Tiresome.
Glocks also malfunction. There are examples all over the internet. Believe it or not I've actually seen one lock up in person. Delayed our class while the glock fanboy aka glock armorer aka instructor tried to get it to run. He never did get it to run and ended up loaning the guy a ruger .22 to use.
I may never fit in with the cool kids but I'm getting along fine with my xd's, fnp's and 1911.
With all due respect, many professionals and professional instructors have been shooting Glock long before the term "fanboy" was around. It is an irritating term almost to the point where it no longer has value other than attempt to bash Glock users.
Kind of surprised me to see a 2 year old post of mine quoted.
A fanboy would say "all xd's are junk, all glocks are great". Which is pretty much what my NRA pistol instructor said in that Fla. concealed carry permit class I was talking about.
I have 2 glocks, a 17 and a 20. I like them fine. That doesn't mean I think that glock is the only company capable of manufacturing a reliable handgun.
Kind of surprised me to see a 2 year old post of mine quoted.
A fanboy would say "all xd's are junk, all glocks are great". Which is pretty much what my NRA pistol instructor said in that Fla. concealed carry permit class I was talking about.
I have 2 glocks, a 17 and a 20. I like them fine. That doesn't mean I think that glock is the only company capable of manufacturing a reliable handgun.
Didn't realize the post was so old. Also, I am well aware of the several other quality manufacturers out there. I shoot an HK45 and an M&P40 in addition to my Glock 17 (and even an old FNP-9 I picked up for $199.99 :dance3: ). All great guns. It just seems people leap to the term Glock fanboy whenever XDs are not recommended for serious use.
My XDM40 has been flawless. I installed a PRP trigger kit and a SS guide rod and it's definitely my favorite pistol. Shoots great and the trigger upgrade is perfect.
I run Glocks now but I've owned many XDs/XDms. I think the XD is a better gun than the XDm but that is mostly based on issues from others I've heard about. Only semi-real trouble I've had with either was a broken firing pin retaining pin on a XDm.
I've owned a few xds and never had any issues with them, but I didn't like them enough to keep them around. All I own now are glocks, sigs, hks and a lone 1911. Couldn't be any happier with my glocks!
I've owned a good share of xd,s and have yet to experience a single malfunction with any of them. I also own some hk's and they run great as well. I've owned two glocks but they didn't ring my bell so I traded them in on xd's. I 100% faith in my xd's.
El Pistolero
05-27-13, 21:59
I've read enough bad things about the XD on this board to almost change my mind on them, but I haven't. I like them. Reason why is I personally torture tested a 2002-vintage XD-9 and it performed with 100% reliability through 3500 rounds and I have supreme confidence in at least that particular pistol. I know, sample size of one and all that, however the one sample performed reliably enough that it became my mother's home defense gun and I trust it in that capacity.
DIRTMAN556
05-29-13, 01:24
Holy necropost batman. This thread is two years old. There is no XD love here, get used to it.
Affirm.
I've read enough bad things about the XD on this board to almost change my mind on them, but I haven't. I like them. Reason why is I personally torture tested a 2002-vintage XD-9 and it performed with 100% reliability through 3500 rounds and I have supreme confidence in at least that particular pistol. I know, sample size of one and all that, however the one sample performed reliably enough that it became my mother's home defense gun and I trust it in that capacity.
Ditto. I do have to admit that the biggest reason why I went with an XD40 was the ergonomics first and cost. Also purchased a Firedragon 9mm conversion barrel. I've read the stories of tiny pebbles of sand/dirt jamming up the grip safety and so on. My use will basically be a HD and range pistol. So things like that are not a concern to me.
At some point in the future I will end up purchasing a Glock 17. Just for kicks.
brickboy240
05-29-13, 12:05
Don't feel too bad. I did the same thing with the XD. Went back to a G19 and will never look back.
-brickboy240
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