View Full Version : Ammo Deal - Wideners IMI M193 $340/1200 shipped (.28/rnd)
Just ordered 4 cases as soon as I got my email from Widener's.
I don't know the general consensus is on Israeli ammo here but I've shot about 2K rnds without issue or noticeable difference from LC.
Harold
Just ordered 4 cases as soon as I got my email from Widener's.
I don't know the general consensus is on Israeli ammo here but I've shot about 2K rnds without issue or noticeable difference from LC.
Harold
Link ??
http://wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=9017&dir=18|830|845
You gotta create an account to order.
Just ordered 4 cases as soon as I got my email from Widener's.
I don't know the general consensus is on Israeli ammo here but I've shot about 2K rnds without issue or noticeable difference from LC.
Harold
Good 5.56 ammo. I went through a bunch back in the day that it was readily available and inexpensive. I recall some of the tards getting their undies in a bundle because of the annealing discoloration. :rolleyes:
Thanks for the heads up. :D
$356/1200 shipped using their cheapest "estimated only" shipping rate to Washington State. .30 per round
Ohio's $338...GOOD DEAL! :D
ForTehNguyen
07-12-11, 17:51
comes out to about 28.35c per round for Houston shipped, nice
Check ammoengine.com you can find much better deals than that somteimes
Is the price shipped?
M193= $318/1200 rounds + shipping. Shipping fees based on the ship-to location from Tennessee.
scoutfsu99
07-13-11, 12:32
Yes, it sucks to be in TN for this one:(
It came to 23.20 shipping per case for me Tennessee to Boulder, CO.
28.6 cents a round shipped screaming deal!
John
I'm such a sucker...just ordered 4 more cases for a total of 8. The shipping delay on the website is not really a delay at all. Ordered yesterday, shipped today and delivery date is Thursday. That's just as fast as my original order last week.
Yep just ordered a case -been wanting to try this IMI ammo! Can never have enough ammo!:D About $40 cheaper then my last XM193 purchase!:rolleyes:
Thanks for the heads up, I just got a few cases.
Outstanding ammo at a great price (in today's market, anyway).
decodeddiesel
07-20-11, 01:36
Thanks for the heads up, I just got a few cases.
Outstanding ammo at a great price (in today's market, anyway).
I agree. I just got my 2 cases today and it is top notch M193. Great ammo for the price.
Anyone have to pay a hazmat fee???
Hazmat fee would only apply for primers and/or powder as far as i know.
I had to turn my head on this deal. I'd love to get some, but just don't need the Credit Card hit right now. :mad:
I had to turn my head on this deal. I'd love to get some, but just don't need the Credit Card hit right now. :mad:
I have to talk myself out of it daily... :(
I'll plead ignorance up front. How does this compare to something like Federal XM193F (Brown Box)? Thanks.
I'll plead ignorance up front. How does this compare to something like Federal XM193F (Brown Box)? Thanks.
XM193 is dog shit compared to this stuff.
This does seem to be good ammo. I haven't chronographed any, or any of the old IMI from years ago either. I have not yet had one bad issue with either of it.
The price has been up and down. I bought a butt load a few months ago when the price was good, but not this good. Damn.
I'd like to have an extra 12k but can't use the money for buying ammo right now.
whiteknuckels
07-20-11, 15:10
are these reloadable?
are these reloadable?
Yes....
.....aaaaaand cases 4-8 just arrived.....gotta stop this bullshit.
Brass looks clean. I know some (not here) have expressed problems with corrosion on the brass years ago, but this ammo shows none of that.
I really can't believe I ordered 9,600 rnds over 2 orders and 2 wks and they still have it for .28/rnd. Didn't we hear all this stuff about ammo going up 20-30% in June/July? I realize BCM et al stuff is out of stock alot, but it does come back in for the same price. I thought ammo was going up and going to get scarce....(?)
Not that I want to see it, but where is this huge ammo price increase and why was it predicted?
Unless I'm mistaken, IMI is the only foreign ammo that conforms to USGI M193 and M855 specs, and is the only foreign ammo that is approved substitute standard for the US military.
Back in 2004, the US had to stop issuing IMI ammo in Iraq and Afghanistan due to local sensibilities.
I'll plead ignorance up front. How does this compare to something like Federal XM193F (Brown Box)? Thanks.
If it's XM193 or XM855, it's been rejected, for whatever reason, from US military service.
Templar I believe you're correct about the IMI on both counts.
I can't find anything in writing about it at the moment.
decodeddiesel
07-21-11, 17:57
I really need to see if there is anyway to squeeze some more of this ammo into my budget. It would be nice to stock up on the next 2 years worth of 5.56 ammo with this IMI M193.
ETA: Just got back form the range. I put 150 round of the IMI through my MK18 and as expected the ammo is awesome. Minimal flash, accuracy at 100 yards was within the confines of a 10.5" AR with a 3x ACOG (about a 3" spread), it is very clean burning as well. I think I will pick up another 2400 rounds.
GermanSynergy
07-24-11, 22:16
Back in 2004, the US had to stop issuing IMI ammo in Iraq and Afghanistan due to local sensibilities.
That's correct. :mad:
Long story short, a liberal Democrat from Hawaii got his shorts in a knot over the US Military using Israeli made ammo in OIF/OEF. As a result, it got pulled and relegated to training use only. :rolleyes:
The end result us the happy, war free world we have today.
Beat Trash
07-25-11, 13:51
I also seem to remember a rumor running around that IMI used pig fat on the projectiles during the loading process. Whether true or not, the local insurgent population was offended by the thought of being shot by a bullet coated in pig fat.
Our powers that be decided we must be politically correct and not offend the local beliefs when we face shoot insurgents. This was also part of the reason the IMI M855 was to be used for training only while in theater during the 2004 time frame.
Don't know if this was true or not. I seriously doubt IMI was using pig fat. I could see some bored individuals joking about the concept on the internet and some congressmen running with it as if it were true.
All of my IMI ammo shooting has been with previous lots. Both the M193 and M855 loadings were great. They do exactly what you would/should expect M193 and M855 to do.
If I had the cash right now, I'd be stocking up. I'd buy it with confidence, and my experience dealing with Weideners has been good also.
As the OP and the owner of 9600 rnds of this shit...I'm pleased.
Clean, accurate and well priced. Pig fat would be a bonus but not a deal breaker.
Of course a fair amount of the 9600 is gone...sweet, sweet bacon-y gone... :-)
saddlerocker
07-27-11, 18:15
Mine just shipped today. yay
So is this stuff factory seconds like the federal XM, or does it pass all inspections?
What about other M193/M855? Is Privi and whatever else is out there factory rejects, or just surplus?
Beat Trash
07-27-11, 19:16
The IMI loadings are not factory seconds. It's first run ammunition.
The Lack City Arsenal ammunition is factory seconds, hence the "X" because it's illegal for Lake City to sell first run US Military ammunition to the civilian market.
As IMI is not the US military, this law does not apply.
Well I got my order today and promply went out and shot 30 rounds through my 16" DPMS carbine cause I heard all the bad things said that DPMS don't like IMI 193 well guess what it ran perfectly as usual. Very impressed with this IMI193 excellant ammo!:D
I also seem to remember a rumor running around that IMI used pig fat on the projectiles during the loading process. Whether true or not, the local insurgent population was offended by the thought of being shot by a bullet coated in pig fat.
Our powers that be decided we must be politically correct and not offend the local beliefs when we face shoot insurgents. This was also part of the reason the IMI M855 was to be used for training only while in theater during the 2004 time frame.
Don't know if this was true or not. I seriously doubt IMI was using pig fat. I could see some bored individuals joking about the concept on the internet and some congressmen running with it as if it were true.
All of my IMI ammo shooting has been with previous lots. Both the M193 and M855 loadings were great. They do exactly what you would/should expect M193 and M855 to do.
If I had the cash right now, I'd be stocking up. I'd buy it with confidence, and my experience dealing with Weideners has been good also.
True or not, that is some funny shit. I am sold and am loading up the CC to get some.
If it's XM193 or XM855, it's been rejected, for whatever reason, from US military service..
Hmm.
http://www.federalpremium.com/resources/xm193.aspx
That being said, I have about half a case of this IMI M193 still in my ammo stash.
Just ordered a case. 341 dollars shipped to Rhode Island using the ground option.
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Hmm.
http://www.federalpremium.com/resources/xm193.aspx
That being said, I have about half a case of this IMI M193 still in my ammo stash.
Hmmmm.....
http://www.thegunzone.com/556xm.html
I just ordered a case of the 55gr stuff....$336 shipped to OH. The 62gr stuff is only a couple of bucks more........I can't wait to get the case. Probably shoot some this weekend.
chamber143
08-07-11, 11:03
i think i remember a post on here about bs being regurgitated even though it has been dis proven. xm193 is first run ammo. now it may or may not meet the mil spec but who the hell knows what mil spec is. all i can say is that i shoot it almost exclusively and i love it, although i only shoot 5000 or so rounds a year. i dont have any experience with the imi but all i have read is good. i am just from the if it aint broke dont break it crowd. so i stick with the lake city stuff. please people stop saying shit that isnt true and if you dont know what you are talking about.
shaneinhisroom
02-16-12, 12:33
I heard that IMI is out and is not sure if they will stock any more- does this mean the end of IMI 5.56 for us civies?
Wideners still has the 62gr stuff. Get it while you can!
There is still the 62gr available not as good of a deal though. $379 + $21.76 shipping to VA for a total of $400.76 (~$0.33 a round).
I guess that isn't bad for 62gr 5.56.
Anyone know of any other good deals on 55gr??
shaneinhisroom
02-16-12, 14:24
Unfortunately my local range doesn't allow steel core ammo. May pick some up for outdoor lessons but I can pick up other M193 for cheaper. The IMI 193 was good stuff though...I only have about 1000 rounds left :(
NoveskeFan
02-16-12, 14:47
There is still the 62gr available not as good of a deal though. $379 + $21.76 shipping to VA for a total of $400.76 (~$0.33 a round).
I guess that isn't bad for 62gr 5.56.
Anyone know of any other good deals on 55gr??
http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ammunition/rifle-ammunition/223-5-56/federal-xm193f-brown-box-5-56mm-55gr-fmj.html
50 boxes = about $320 shipped.
Every time this thread is bumped up I kick myself for not buying when it was available.
Its gone. Dang i was about to vo to the link
I just talked to them at weidners and they said it took years to get the imi ammo, they have been trying to restock. They don't know if it will happen or not.
Natchez shooters supply.....$299.50 for 1000 Fed 55gr
Anybody know of someone other than Wideners that may have IMI M193?
They are the only ones I have ever seen that had it and I need some.
I would spend the few $$ extra and get the M855.
Anybody know of someone other than Wideners that may have IMI M193?
They are the only ones I have ever seen that had it and I need some.
I would spend the few $$ extra and get the M855.
Yeah....I'm considering that.
I was hoping someone knew of a place that had a secret stash of it.
I may end up with the PPU M193. I've shot alot of the PPU. I've found the IMI to have better accuracy. Not by much, but better.
PA PATRIOT
02-19-12, 19:53
Called Friday and was told that the IMI-M855 stock was very low and not to hold out to long before ordering. True or not I ordered a few cases before it disappears like the IMI-M193
I also seem to remember a rumor running around that IMI used pig fat on the projectiles during the loading process. Whether true or not, the local insurgent population was offended by the thought of being shot by a bullet coated in pig fat.
Don't know if this was true or not. I seriously doubt IMI was using pig fat. I could see some bored individuals joking about the concept on the internet and some congressmen running with it as if it were true.
While my religious education is a bit lacking, I'm pretty sure pig fat is no more "Kosher" for Jewish people that it would be for Muslims.
I hear guys around here joke about rubbing their bullets in bacon before loading into their mags, but I seriously doubt the Israelis would be involved in mass processing of pig fat.
I asked a buddy of mine at work who is Jewish, he thought the idea was retarded, funny, but retarded.
Anyway, this seems to be the best deal on M855 there is, and Molon's testing seems to confirm the IMI stuff is top notch, I'm jumping on a case today, thanks for the tip.
polymorpheous
02-22-12, 09:58
SGammo has prvi m193 for $290 shipped. (at least to Milwaukee)
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