View Full Version : Scope suggestions for CZ-452 trainer please
I am thinking of mounting some glass on my 452 because I want to try something new, and I feel like I can only get so much of out iron sights.
From my own observations it seems that the iron sights are better for field use than they are for target shooting. This is my novice opinion anyway.
I do know that the CZ needs some 11mm mounts. Since I've never bought a scope, do these mounts also come with the rings or how does that work? And the base part, do you simply slide that in into the dovetail? Also, is there such thing as a mount that would still allow use of the iron sights?
For scopes, how do I know if fixed or variable is right for me? My only uses for this rifle so far are for target shooting (and as a way to learn the fine art of precision shooting).
Someone told me to look at these Leupold rimfire scopes:
http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shooting/products/scopes/rimfire-riflescopes/
Are these good, or is there something better for the money? (I don't necessarily want to cheap out, buy once cry once and all that).
Thanks for you help, guys.
Rojo
PS--when shooting prone, do I want to get as low to the ground as possible? I noticed that I'm usually 12"-14" high when I shoot supported prone, but then I realizes that most bipods are between 6"-9" tall--so now I'm wondering about that.
bakercountyboy
07-15-11, 20:07
i just sold my cz 455 and i used warne 11mm scope mounts. i also used nikon prostaff 3-9x40 scope. it was a perfect match
Dist. Expert 26
07-16-11, 16:15
Unless you're getting into serious competition the leupold rimfire series would be just fine. I know several people who run their competition series on their match guns if you wanna take the next step.
For target shooting you're going to want a variable. This aids in transitioning ranges (obviously), as well as positions. I usually run 4-5x less magnification standing then I do prone. You should be able to get one piece mounts for the 11mm rail. They're not easy to come by in normal stores though, so you'll be better off ordering off the internet.
As for prone, lower is better, especially outdoors. If its really blowing you'll notice it can throw your entire body off if you're up too high. Try moving your support hand out a little further, but at the end of the day it only works if its comfortable and natural for you.
Checkout the Mueller APV, seems to be a very popular rimfire scope.
I've been doing a little reading, and right now I'm thinking that even if I have to keep saving up, that I ought to get the nicest Leupold, the one with the adjustable parallax.
I learned that proper parallax helps with precision and I am sure that scope will the be only one I'll even need for rimfire shooting.
http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shooting/products/scopes/rimfire-riflescopes/vx-ii-3-9x33mm-rimfire-efr/
Edit: I'll take a look at Mueller.
I had the previous version of that Leupold 3-9x EFR on a modified 10/22. It's a great scope for a rimfire. The glass is good, it's compact & lightweight, it has an adjustable objective, and the fine duplex reticle is a good fit for an accurate rimfire IMHO.
I've been doing a little reading, and right now I'm thinking that even if I have to keep saving up, that I ought to get the nicest Leupold, the one with the adjustable parallax.
I learned that proper parallax helps with precision and I am sure that scope will the be only one I'll even need for rimfire shooting.
http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shooting/products/scopes/rimfire-riflescopes/vx-ii-3-9x33mm-rimfire-efr/
Edit: I'll take a look at Mueller.
that leupy is the best little compact rimfire scope on the market imho...it is really nice to focus in close for my applications at times.
The EFR seems to entice me more and more, so I'll save up for it.
Since I've never bought glass before, can anyone recommed a good and reliable site to look at for purchasing? I know to stay away from optics planet...
Unless your looking for more magnification an old El Paso mfg Weaver
T-6 scope is an excellent piece of glass. Hard to find as the metallic
silhouette shooters scoop them up when available.
They are very well made, will square out, and are repeatable.
I am thinking of mounting some glass on my 452 because I want to try something new, and I feel like I can only get so much of out iron sights.
From my own observations it seems that the iron sights are better for field use than they are for target shooting. This is my novice opinion anyway.
I do know that the CZ needs some 11mm mounts. Since I've never bought a scope, do these mounts also come with the rings or how does that work? And the base part, do you simply slide that in into the dovetail? Also, is there such thing as a mount that would still allow use of the iron sights?
For scopes, how do I know if fixed or variable is right for me? My only uses for this rifle so far are for target shooting (and as a way to learn the fine art of precision shooting).
Someone told me to look at these Leupold rimfire scopes:
http://www.leupold.com/hunting-and-shooting/products/scopes/rimfire-riflescopes/
Are these good, or is there something better for the money? (I don't necessarily want to cheap out, buy once cry once and all that).
Thanks for you help, guys.
Rojo
PS--when shooting prone, do I want to get as low to the ground as possible? I noticed that I'm usually 12"-14" high when I shoot supported prone, but then I realizes that most bipods are between 6"-9" tall--so now I'm wondering about that.
I would suggest visiting Rimfirecentral.com there is a forum with several stickies regarding the CZ brand, scopes, and scope mounting options.
I just bought a second CZ myself but have opted not to scope either rifle yet. They are definitely accurate rifles and a scope will ring out the most from the gun.
SkiDevil
LINK:
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336921
imo the leupold rimfire scopes are probably the best. I have their 3x9 with the parallax adjustment on mine. I like it alot.
For all of my rimfire "tactical" trainers, it's the Mueller APT scope. 4.5-14x40mmAO, 30mm tube, and Mil-Dot.
However, for precision target shooting you'll see a lot of rimfire guys swearing by the Weaver T36. Those are the guys that want to punch one little bitty hole at 50 yards...
cheaptrick
07-17-11, 16:57
I used the Weaver 2-7x Rim fire scope on mine.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/cheaptrick_photos/Picture005.jpg
Love my Mueller APV 4-12x......gives me 4x for most shooting while also having the ability to crank up the magnification when needed. Mine will knock empty 22 cases off a fence at 70yds with CCI Standard.
I used the Weaver 2-7x Rim fire scope on mine.
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g19/cheaptrick_photos/Picture005.jpg
What mounts are you using?
cheaptrick
07-21-11, 04:16
Warne mounts.
http://swfa.com/Warne-22-Rimfire-1-Rings-P9900.aspx
What do you have on your other rifles?
You say its a "trainer" so the purpose would be to get trigger time in that helps you when you go to your bigger rifles.
So if you have mil/mil/ffp on your other rifles, put one on this. If mil/moa/sfp... then go that route. If you are changing methods, then its good to start on a rimfire with whatever new system you are using so you can get lots of trigger time in.
Warne mounts.
http://swfa.com/Warne-22-Rimfire-1-Rings-P9900.aspx
Warne makes good stuff.
My CZ-452 wears a Leupold 3-9x33 EFR with Burris Signature rings. The Burris Signature takes spherical bearing style inserts that can be offset to give yourself a bit more elevation.
A good alternative would be Warne rings on a DIP Products 25 MOA Picatinny adapter base.
Did you get in on the CZ Manners stocks group buy? I got one as as my trainer. Should weigh around 12-13 pounds and feel exactly like centerfire when done.
http://mannerstocks.com/mcs-news-announcements/506/#more-506
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2324998#Post2324998
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m248/sidoiler/cz452left-1.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m248/sidoiler/cz452tng-1.jpg
http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m248/sidoiler/cz452trigger.jpg
You might still be able to get in on it. Email Karey and ask.
What do you have on your other rifles?
You say its a "trainer" so the purpose would be to get trigger time in that helps you when you go to your bigger rifles.
So if you have mil/mil/ffp on your other rifles, put one on this. If mil/moa/sfp... then go that route. If you are changing methods, then its good to start on a rimfire with whatever new system you are using so you can get lots of trigger time in.
Actually, at this point in time, this is the most modern rifle that I posses. The rest are from WWII.
So when I say it's a trainer, it's more in the general sense of rifle shooting/marksmanship.
I won't do this right away, but I think I shall save for the nicest Leupold, the 9x33 EFR and those Warne mounts. Buy once cry once and all that...
Juice, I probably won't get into that right now, but thanks for the heads up, man. At least it's nice to know that they make stocks like that for these guns.
OK, here is another noob question for everyone:
My CZ comes with permanent factory irons. Will those get in the way of the scopes FOV?
cheaptrick
07-28-11, 05:39
Yes and no.
The front site blade will be visible through the scope from 1x-3x, but will diminish after you get to 4x and more magnification.
After 4x, you won't see it.
OK, here is another noob question for everyone:
My CZ comes with permanent factory irons. Will those get in the way of the scopes FOV?
I highly doubt it. Even on low settings (1-4 power). I wouldnt think they are tall enough to get in the way, but it wont matter if you go with a 3-9x scope (you cant even see an AR fsp on higher mag settings)
cheaptrick
07-28-11, 10:24
Not to appear argumentative, but you will see the front site at lower powers than 4x, if I recall correctly.
My CZ had a 2-7x Weaver and it show a shadow of the front site until I cranked it to 4x and above.
You can pull the blade off, but the "bump" on the end of the barrel will still show.
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