View Full Version : IMI M193 or Federal XM193 ?
greywolf2112
07-29-11, 13:11
http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=9017
or
http://www.glensoutdoors.com/Federal-Lake-City-Tactical-XM193-5-56-x-45mm-55-Gr-p/xm193bk.htm
Comes in pretty close on price.
I'd always read that the XM193 LC was a little more powerful (different powder, more of it?) and more accurate, but I don't have any first-hand experience with the IMI - I do know my XM193 is hands down more powerful than Wolf.
IMI M193 is better than XM193. XM193 are rounds that have been rejected from military use. Not that XM193 is crap, just compared to IMI M193, well there's no comparison.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1059542
IMI M193 is better than XM193. XM193 are rounds that have been rejected from military use. Not that XM193 is crap, just compared to IMI M193, well there's no comparison.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1059542
Which military rejects XM193?
I just got my order of IMI 5.56mm. Worked perfectly in my DPMS 16" Carbine have shot alot of XM193 both are good I'd say the IMI is a little hotter- can't confirm as my chrony caught a bullet awhile back! Accuracy is about the same maybe alittle better for the IMI. Both have good quality brass for reloading if you reload!:D And NO xm193 is not mil rejects it first run Commercial grade ammo! As per Clinton Mil ammo can't be sold by American ammo companies to civies!:rolleyes:
Which military rejects XM193?
I just got my order of IMI 5.56mm. Worked perfectly in my DPMS 16" Carbine have shot alot of XM193 both are good I'd say the IMI is a little hotter- can't confirm as my chrony caught a bullet awhile back! Accuracy is about the same maybe alittle better for the IMI. Both have good quality brass for reloading if you reload!:D And NO xm193 is not mil rejects it first run Commercial grade ammo! As per Clinton Mil ammo can't be sold by American ammo companies to civies!:rolleyes:
Per the linked thread, XM193 is factory seconds, marked XM193 so as not to be military ammo. :rolleyes:
Per the linked thread, XM193 is factory seconds, marked XM193 so as not to be military ammo. :rolleyes:
I'm just curious which Military - I never doubted or agreed with it.
sammage
Now why would Federal risk a false advertisement charge if this is not true? Please stop spreading false info! Or do you have a creditable person/link to what you say!:mad:
http://www.federalpremium.com/resources/xm193.aspx
You might also want to consider PMC X-TAC QP-193. It comes in 20 rd boxes, is very nicely finished, is smokin' fast, and about the same price. Sgammo.com has it.
greywolf2112
07-29-11, 17:54
Thanks, guys - ordered the 1200 rounds of IMI from Wideners
saddlerocker
07-29-11, 21:12
hopefully this puts the XM confustion to bed.
If not I just sent a question to Federal on their website as well, but I expect the same answer.
http://www.thegunzone.com/556xm.html
It is still a bit confusing I guess,
They say it is contract overrun, which implies it is up to all specs, just an overrun.
But then he says it may not meet the mil-spec requirements.
Not that I wouldnt buy it, I am 100% fine with buying it. For all that is sold I have not heard of any blowing up rifles.
Is IMI the same thing? or does it always meet he mil-spec requirements? I dont know, ill just buy whichever is cheaper
steve.sellers
07-29-11, 22:56
Good call on the IMI.
Best stuff I've run next to Serbian 5.56
ss
Submariner
07-30-11, 09:07
IMI M193 is better than XM193. XM193 are rounds that have been rejected from military use. Not that XM193 is crap, just compared to IMI M193, well there's no comparison.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1059542
And you know IMI M193 isn't rejects just like XM193 exactly how? Do you think the IDF does not have standards for ammunition acceptance just like DOD? Do you think every round IMI produces meets the spec? If not what do they do with them?
Like Ronald Reagan said, "Trust but verify."
To simplify military ammo designations "X anything" (XM193, XM855)does not meet mil-specs for one reason or another (accuracy, Speed, OAL, etc.). However, it does meet recongnized commercial ammo specs for civilian use, making it a safe usable ammo.
I have been using IMI (Israeli Military Industries) ammo since early-90's. Great stuff for anything. Save that brass. It is damn nice for reloading. Have '06, 762x39, and 5.56 brass and ammo with '87-'89 lot numbers that still perform flawlessly. I used to buy all I could afford back then. Now reload 'em.
saddlerocker
07-30-11, 16:46
From what the Federal rep said, it sounds like XM193 and XM855 are contract overruns, that are not inspected, therefore may not meet the standard.
Why dont we get any "XM" ammo from other countries?
Sounds like the "X" is just something that US law requires
Submariner
Well since it packaged in military box and Mil marked I'd say theres a pretty good chance it's Military ball! Just like the old M193 in the brown boxes used to be issued!! :rolleyes: I remember using alot of it in Basic training 69-75 all brown boxed!
From IMI site: IMI's products have been qualified with the IDF, US Military (Air Force, Army and Navy) and NATO nations
So I guess they meet or exceed US spec's!:D
http://www.imi-israel.com/home/doc.aspx?mCatID=63195&mCatID2=0
Submariner
07-30-11, 21:46
Submariner
So I guess they meet or exceed US spec's!:D
Oh, and they have no batches that don't meet spec? How can they do it and Lake City can't?
Submariner
What ever dude just keep shooting your steel ammo save the good stuff for the rest of us!:rolleyes:
My xm193 does not have the NATO stamp. I figured this was the case because the military doesn't use 55 gr ammo anymore. Is this correct?
If so, then how could the military reject it?
BTW, the last case of xm193 grouped better out of my LE6920 than the xm855 and ae223 I had. I went with xm193 because I want the brass.
saddlerocker
07-31-11, 11:34
my IMI I just got from wideners doesnt have NATO cross either.
I was under the impression that they use the 55gr for training now
Israel has never been a NATO country.
GermanSynergy
07-31-11, 17:40
Like Templar said, Israel has never been a NATO country. They have supplied, presently and in the past, small arms ammunition to the armed forces of Germany, France, United Kingdom and the United States.
Yep I'd bet some of the ammo being used in Afghan/ Iraq is IMI. I never noticed nor cared when I was there! As long as they went bang GTG!:D
To simplify military ammo designations "X anything" (XM193, XM855)does not meet mil-specs for one reason or another (accuracy, Speed, OAL, etc.). However, it does meet recongnized commercial ammo specs for civilian use, making it a safe usable ammo.
Where did you get this info?
Federal has multiple loads, with "X" in the designation. Some you may never see, and are not military loads.
Often the "X" designates a departure from a standard loading. IE: an agency may specify brass instead of nickel case's
I don't see how XM193 could be overrun, as its not issued to US Troops anymore, unless its a run for another country/agency. Either way, Federal themselves report its first quality, first run ammo.
On another note, I've had huge issues with Winchester Q3131A, which was loaded in Israel, presumably by IMI.
IIRC there were a couple of bad runs/lots, that were way over pressure.
Bob
Since this thread has morphed into something else it's closed. Keep discussing it in the othe XM193 thread.
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