Rem 700 help

[Gibson]

Sorry clutter or litter the forum with green interrogatories. My apologies.

I think I will purchase the Rem 700 ADL in 30-06. My goal is to have a reasonably priced range rifle employable at 500 (or possibly greater) yards that could also be pressed into defensive combat service at long range if ever needed. I was curious if one could replace the stock with this:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=415683

and then add this:

http://www.cabelas.com/magazines-clips-kwik-klip-remington-model-700-clip-conversion-kit-2.shtml?WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleBaseUSA&WT.z_mc_id1=741478&rid=40&mr:trackingCode=E7C1B7CC-958E-DF11-A0C8-002219318F67&mr:referralID=NA

or would I have to go with something like this:

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=340/product/REMINGTON_700_ADL_TO_BDL_KITS

and then perhaps this:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=275209

If the former is an option then I could go straight to the detachable ten round mag from Cabela's, if it's the latter then it would an additional expense for the detachable mag, which is what I want. Unless, I could forgo the Brownell's conversion kit. But do not know if such is possible as I have no experience in this purview.

[Gutshot John]

Is this something you intend on being able to carry for long periods?

Do you imagine shooting from standing, sitting, kneeling or prone for the most part?

Is this going to be a target gun that can be used defensively? or a hunting gun that can be used defensively?

[markm]

Why 30.06? .308 will exceed your requirements and you'll get a Short Action receiver.

[Eurodriver]

Why 30.06? .308 will exceed your requirements and you'll get a Short Action receiver.

I agree. Unless you are setup to reload mass quantities of .30-06 already, .308 makes more sense.

[carbinero]

Good well formed questions with links. 308 may afford more options with aftermarket, especially the varmint/police contour barrel. I went down the road you are on, and that's where I landed. Mine was a 26", now 22". Since I bought, most knowledgeable guys I've read suggest this as a starting point, especially if you want to add a muzzle device:

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-tactical-aac-sd.aspx

ADL is a sound budget way to build up with the components you eventually want. You may wish to spend some more time thinking whether or not you really need the DM, right now. You don't want one which may fail on ya. Take a close look at the following, then consider starting slow and saving to upgrade later:

http://mannerstocks.com/mcs-dbm-mini-chassis/

http://www.xlrindustries.com/evolution.html

[Gibson]

Good well formed questions with links. 308 may afford more options with aftermarket, especially the varmint/police contour barrel. I went down the road you are on, and that's where I landed. Mine was a 26", now 22". Since I bought, most knowledgeable guys I've read suggest this as a starting point, especially if you want to add a muzzle device:

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-sps-tactical-aac-sd.aspx

ADL is a sound budget way to build up with the components you eventually want. You may wish to spend some more time thinking whether or not you really need the DM, right now. You don't want one which may fail on ya. Take a close look at the following, then consider starting slow and saving to upgrade later:

http://mannerstocks.com/mcs-dbm-mini-chassis/

http://www.xlrindustries.com/evolution.html

Constructive and informative. Your suggestion comes in at a very decent price for a very nice end product. Thank you for the reply. Perhaps taking your advice and building a piece at a time over time is a good option.

Good links; bookmarked

[Gibson]

Is this something you intend on being able to carry for long periods?

Do you imagine shooting from standing, sitting, kneeling or prone for the most part?

Is this going to be a target gun that can be used defensively? or a hunting gun that can be used defensively?

Perhaps I wasn't straightforward or clear. Sorry. But I am unclear as to how answering those questions would aid in replying as to whether stock "a" will fit with action "b" and a DM or whether stock "c" would have to be used with action "a" along with component kit "d" to add a DM. This is really just about whether or not components fit together. The rifle uses are de facto irrelevant. It is about fitting parts together. If I use LA ADL could I get an ADL stock, a kwick clip and a DM or would I have to use a conversion to BDL kit and a BDL stock and then attach the kwick clip.

So, I want to upgrade stock and add DM; I believe I can use an ADL stock and then add kwick clip with a bit of inletting but my inletting skills are a bit lacking :) Poverty doesn't help either. . .

[carbinero]

Figure $500 for your base rifle, add $100 for optics mount. Spend the balance on glass and go to work! I see no reason not to be able to reach 500 with under $1,000.

ETA: at that price point I would not mess around with DM at all, just deal with top feeding practice.

[sgtbutt]

I have a Rem 700 SPS-T and I have been slowly building it up over a year now and this is what I know.
With you having an ADL and wanting a Kwik Klip or DBM means that you will need a BDL Stock or a good deal of inletting. The Kwik Klip looks to be a drop in for BDL stocks so you should, SHOULD, be able to buy that and a BDL stock and be set. Now if you decide to go with a DBM set up you are almost assuredly be required to inlet the stock.
I have an HS VS take off stock on my SPS-T and I had to dremel out some of the stock to get the X-Mark trigger to work out. Although I worked methodically and slowly it is by no means a pretty job but does the trick. Unless you are set up with a mill and machining knowledge I would suggest sending your stock out to be done.
Now if you decide to go with a BDL stock you should be able to get away with not having to buy an ADL to BDL conversion kit. That is if you get your DBM and have it installed soon after.
As to your choices of stock options I personally wouldn't go with a Choate brand. Just my personal preference but I don't like them. B&C is a good brand and out of your proposed options is the route I would take. As for my suggestion, look into HS. I have my HS and I love it. It works for everything I need it to and HS has their own DBM (propietary and I have no personal experience with it) that requires end user modification. For DBM the top quality names that come to my mind are CDI, Badger, and Seekins but you'll have to check if they have LA models. Regardless mags for bolt guns are pretty pricey.
Now perhaps one of the biggest considerations is what barrel profile do you have? If you have a Sporter or thin profile barrel you'll need a corresponding stock. If you have a varmint contour you'll need that. If you have a sporter and decide to rebarrel with a heavy contour you have lots of sanding to do or will need to buy a new stock.
To get to 500 with an '06 shouldn't be that much work. As long as you hold your own with your shooting skills 500 should be a fair goal to achieve. I just the other day tagged a shaving cream can at 340 yardswith my 308, at that distance its a MOA target.
I too have been wanting DBM but I have rethought about the role that my bolt gun will play. Mine is for hunting and long range, I haven't gotten into LR competition shooting in which DBM is beneficial. I will be building an AR 308 to fill my rapid fire LR role. For anything tactical I have my SBR which works fine out to 200 ringing steel off hand. Hope all this rambling gives you quite a bit to think about and make your decision.

[BCmJUnKie]

Does anyone make a BDL or heavy contour for -06?

Sorry to Hi-jack

[sgtbutt]

Does anyone make a BDL or heavy contour for -06?

Sorry to Hi-jack

Remington makes BDL '06s and several other "BDL" variations. As far as heavy barrels I don't believe Remington makes a heavy barrel but having a blank chambered in 30'06 is a possible option that many have done.

[Gibson]

I have a Rem 700 SPS-T and I have been slowly building it up over a year now and this is what I know.
With you having an ADL and wanting a Kwik Klip or DBM means that you will need a BDL Stock or a good deal of inletting. The Kwik Klip looks to be a drop in for BDL stocks so you should, SHOULD, be able to buy that and a BDL stock and be set. Now if you decide to go with a DBM set up you are almost assuredly be required to inlet the stock.
I have an HS VS take off stock on my SPS-T and I had to dremel out some of the stock to get the X-Mark trigger to work out. Although I worked methodically and slowly it is by no means a pretty job but does the trick. Unless you are set up with a mill and machining knowledge I would suggest sending your stock out to be done.
Now if you decide to go with a BDL stock you should be able to get away with not having to buy an ADL to BDL conversion kit. That is if you get your DBM and have it installed soon after.
As to your choices of stock options I personally wouldn't go with a Choate brand. Just my personal preference but I don't like them. B&C is a good brand and out of your proposed options is the route I would take. As for my suggestion, look into HS. I have my HS and I love it. It works for everything I need it to and HS has their own DBM (propietary and I have no personal experience with it) that requires end user modification. For DBM the top quality names that come to my mind are CDI, Badger, and Seekins but you'll have to check if they have LA models. Regardless mags for bolt guns are pretty pricey.
Now perhaps one of the biggest considerations is what barrel profile do you have? If you have a Sporter or thin profile barrel you'll need a corresponding stock. If you have a varmint contour you'll need that. If you have a sporter and decide to rebarrel with a heavy contour you have lots of sanding to do or will need to buy a new stock.
To get to 500 with an '06 shouldn't be that much work. As long as you hold your own with your shooting skills 500 should be a fair goal to achieve. I just the other day tagged a shaving cream can at 340 yardswith my 308, at that distance its a MOA target.
I too have been wanting DBM but I have rethought about the role that my bolt gun will play. Mine is for hunting and long range, I haven't gotten into LR competition shooting in which DBM is beneficial. I will be building an AR 308 to fill my rapid fire LR role. For anything tactical I have my SBR which works fine out to 200 ringing steel off hand. Hope all this rambling gives you quite a bit to think about and make your decision.

Your last paragraph has made me rethink some things. (As an aside, I haven't bought the 700 yet.) I was just going to get one at walmart, 86 the stock and scope and go from there. . .

But! Perhaps I could just add this damper:

http://www.swissproductsllc.com/

Then, a couple of spacers to allow the barrel to "vibrate uninhibited", a scope mount and decent scope all attached to my beloved K31 (already have some add-ons) and voila. Not much expensive for reasonable solid bolt action rifle. :) Then I can apply the 1k as a down payment on this:

http://www.centerfireguns.com/armalite-10-t-308-winchester-10tbnf.html

This place gives one a lot to ponder!

[sgtbutt]

Your last paragraph has made me rethink some things. (As an aside, I haven't bought the 700 yet.) I was just going to get one at walmart, 86 the stock and scope and go from there. . .

But! Perhaps I could just add this damper:

http://www.swissproductsllc.com/

Then, a couple of spacers to allow the barrel to "vibrate uninhibited", a scope mount and decent scope all attached to my beloved K31 (already have some add-ons) and voila. Not much expensive for reasonable solid bolt action rifle. :) Then I can apply the 1k as a down payment on this:

http://www.centerfireguns.com/armalite-10-t-308-winchester-10tbnf.html

This place gives one a lot to ponder!

I've never dealt with dampers but scoping out your current rifle sounds like a plan. But from experience putting a scope on a battle rifle doesn't make it a precision rig. I've dumped enough money into my M1A just to be 90% of the way to dumping it to help fund my AR.
If you haven't bought the rifle yet look at the various options that are out there. If you are going for 30-06 due to having ammo then you could look at getting an older used rifle. The '06 caliber is an awesome cartidge and has been around for over a century and there are enough guns around chambered for it. If you are wanting to build one up might as well get an older one.
That way you can use it for practice on shooting, bedding DIY projects etc etc. Once you get proficient and rebarrel or re stock you'll be surprised at how much your skills play into and a few mods can give you a bit of an edge.