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well boys...my "tinfoil" hat is on now...S&P 500 reduced the US credit rating...be prepared for the worst...you guys should really check out zerohedge.com for financial news info because this week was just a starter...well maybe my "tinfoil" hat will be worth something in the precious metals category...
Just a Jarhead
08-06-11, 03:54
Gotta love this video of Geithner
April 11:
Peter Barnes “Is there a risk that the United States could lose its AAA credit rating? Yes or no?”
Geithner’s response: “No risk of that.”
“No risk?” Barnes asked.
“No risk,” Geithner said.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/and-just-because-there-risk-us-could-lose-its-aaa-rating-tim-geithner-no-risk
This (these) ass-clowns have been wrong every step of the way. Much more and I think we'll start to hear cries for impeachment. Surprised we haven't already. Sheer incompetence.
I enjoy zerohedge.com I used to think a little too much conspiratorial like Ron Paul. My how things have changed. Ron Paul is now a freakin brilliant genius in my mind.
Things are not looking good,that's for sure.I know some people who are starting prep and stock up on things "just in case".These are people who i never thought would be doing such a thing,and neither did they ;).I myself need to get a lot of things in order and get my ass in gear!
you'll find quite a bit of that "conspiratorial thinking" over here is ridiculed from the upper level post count "cool" guys. there are millions of people in this country still living with their heads in the sand. my best friend is a hard core conservative and he is still in total denial...i believe that both sides are the same and blame is placed equally over the past 20+ years...but what do i know, i'm only 40? this country is headed for a serious attitude adjustment and the people are just standing by waiting to get rounded up...knock, knock...get your suitcase and train ticket here...the people of this country are screwed, i just hope that the .mil and police don't follow the mandates from this administration and actually believe in the constitution. but when the economic collapse occurs, bs walks and money in whatever form that feeds you and your family talks...
I've been warning all my friends for years now to stock up on the essentials. They laugh & keep on dumping their cash in hotrods, crawlers, spending every weekend on the lake, etc... Only a few of them have taken me seriously & stocked up. Most can't stand to think about the possibility of living without their luxuries/toys & choose to look the other way. When things go bad, my door will be locked. Good luck to them.
It reminds me of the squirrel & ant story (or whatever that is) where one partys all summer while the other saves for the winter.
The_War_Wagon
08-06-11, 08:35
I'm scheduled to take the GRE 20 miles away at 8am Monday morning - I usually work about 20' away from my house. Talk about the ORIGINAL craptacular timing.... :rolleyes:
I'm taking full gear with me (the gas tank is ALREADY loaded - all fluids topped off, etc.), including an AR, and probably a change of clothes (for the 'urban overland experience'), in case I have to HOOF my way back to the house. Spousal Unit and I will discuss in-depth Sunday night what to do, in case the wheels ALL come off America while I'm basically locked away in the GRE "Cone of Silence" for 4+ hours. :o
Just a Jarhead
08-06-11, 09:13
you'll find quite a bit of that "conspiratorial thinking" over here is ridiculed from the upper level post count "cool" guys.
Wisdom & intelligence are not mutually inclusive. Nor does a high post count require or guarantee any of the former. It merely requires a keyboard, a mouse, some gun knowledge & having been around a long time. And then some are just slower to the party than others. Others are just much less informed. They'll be joining our thinking in due time. To those that ridicule, for now we'll just have to put up with their ignorance, lack of knowledge and foresight. And pity their sorry asses. LOL. Hey, like I said, I used to think Ron Paul & his followers were wing-nuts. Not any longer.And at least their respectful enough not to come here causing shit. Gotta give them credit for that.
I guess our military & government is conspiratorial too then. http://www.military.com/news/article/study-dod-may-act-on-us-civil-unrest.html or this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1091069/Obama-warned-Expect-nuclear-biological-terrorist-attack-2013.html or this http://www.10news.com/news/27780427/detail.html
I could go on & on as well as all the internal violence from within others have been posting for weeks.
you'll find quite a bit of that "conspiratorial thinking" over here is ridiculed from the upper level post count "cool" guys. there are millions of people in this country still living with their heads in the sand...
I have to believe that the reason they (the "upper level post count 'cool' guys") ridicule the "conspiratorial thinking" is because they want to keep the site on track (meaning discussing guns/gear/training) and not let it turn into a conspiracy/tin foil/preppers anonymous site. I would think that those who have been here since the site was founded, and helped create it into what it is, don't have their heads in the sand. Who knows, I may be wrong though...
Just a Jarhead
08-06-11, 09:46
I'm taking full gear with me (the gas tank is ALREADY loaded - all fluids topped off, etc.), including an AR, and probably a change of clothes (for the 'urban overland experience'), in case I have to HOOF my way back to the house. Spousal Unit and I will discuss in-depth Sunday night what to do, in case the wheels ALL come off America while I'm basically locked away in the GRE "Cone of Silence" for 4+ hours. :o
Probably not a bad idea to have stuff with you at all times, but I wouldn't expect too much or go hitting any panic buttons from this downgrade from AAA to AA+. It's just another sign of things to come. There's more unravelling to come but this just reinforcing what we've all know all along, that we're not crazy and that were on a collision path unless extreme measures are taken.
Just a Jarhead
08-06-11, 11:18
I have to believe that the reason they (the "upper level post count 'cool' guys") ridicule the "conspiratorial thinking" is because they want to keep the site on track (meaning discussing guns/gear/training) and not let it turn into a conspiracy/tin foil/preppers anonymous site. I would think that those who have been here since the site was founded, and helped create it into what it is, don't have their heads in the sand. Who knows, I may be wrong though...
I have personally not heard any ridiculing. You may very well be right Ironman. But I would think if that were the case there would be polite discouragement of the topics rather than ridicule. Ridiculing is usually when a polar opposite position is taken and you think someone is nuts. Who knows, as I've said I haven't encouontered any. But I will say that just because someone is very knowledgeable, even a SME about a certain subject, it does not automatically make them a SME on other subject matter. So until the ridiculing comes our way they should get the benefit of the doubt. If it comes our way..."the Facts" are our friend.
I have personally not heard any ridiculing. You may very well be right Ironman. But I would think if that were the case there would be polite discouragement of the topics rather than ridicule. Ridiculing is usually when a polar opposite position is taken and you think someone is nuts. Who knows, as I've said I haven't encouontered any. But I will say that just because someone is very knowledgeable, even a SME about a certain subject, it does not automatically make them a SME on other subject matter.
Well I was just using the same descriptive word that mtneer used. I would agree that I haven't really experienced "ridiculing", but I do get the sense that certain people tend to turn their nose up at people who get into guns for "shtf" purposes. Most of the guys who do that have/do use guns for a living, so I think it is more a "professional snobbery" so to speak. I would bet it is a very small percentage who don't believe that something along the "shtf" scenario "COULD" happen.
you'll find quite a bit of that "conspiratorial thinking" over here is ridiculed from the upper level post count "cool" guys.
Conspiratorial thinking gets ridiculed because many of us have spent years living in middle-eastern war zones. My life seems is a constant SHTF scenario because you never know when someone may take a shot at you or blow you up. We see the "other side" of living.
ETA: Many of us are realists.
Our government cannot "create" one job without spending 400K, how do you suppose they are going to round everyone into camps and initiate the new world order silliness?
I don't understand how the govt. can be so inept at everything they do and yet people think there are evil masterminds potting behind the scenes.
The sad part is, people will realize how inept our government is when S does HTF and they can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
I've been warning all my friends for years now to stock up on the essentials. They laugh & keep on dumping their cash in hotrods, crawlers, spending every weekend on the lake, etc... Only a few of them have taken me seriously & stocked up. Most can't stand to think about the possibility of living without their luxuries/toys & choose to look the other way. When things go bad, my door will be locked. Good luck to them.
It reminds me of the squirrel & ant story (or whatever that is) where one partys all summer while the other saves for the winter.
totally agree with you...my best friend and i went from kindergarten through high school together and i was talking to him today while we were on our way to our local gun/bow shop to get his bow worked on...he works for the state and his wife is a school principal(both state gov't employees)(that's what makes it so funny, he thinks fed gov't employees should all be fired, but state gov't employees do it better, LOL...)he says "the market trends show this up and down through the history of the market"...i asked him when in history were we downgraded??? silence...then we start talking about jobs, contractors and such...i told him that a $100K(example) .gov job with my agency(just using round numbers to ensure ease of understanding) the .gov employee takes care of business(in my experience over the span of 15 yrs in my agency) and truly has a sense of ownership in the job, whatever it may be...then you give a contractor the same $100K job responsibility, the contracted employee makes $55K and the contractor $45K...they(the contracted employee) could **** up a soup sandwich and job ends up in our hands to either do or complete...strictly due to "private sector" employee's incompetence...most dumbass contractors that i have dealt with over 15yrs, should be working at wal-mart in the electronics section...the reason they can't get a .gov job??? drug abuse, incompetence, misappropriation of funds, and the list goes on...then they bitch about not being able to get on with my agency because they don't have the experience or intelligence to get in...rant over with contractors, i know that there are pieces of crap everywhere, private and public sector...but don't criticize .gov, there are just as many if not more garbage employees on the private side...
i can just tell everyone you better prepare and if you don't want to, don't knock on my door for food, etc...my home store is all out of whatever your looking for...
Anyway, as long as you can get control of your federal budgets
I don't know anyone that is holding their breath on that happening in the U.S. any time soon.
http://www.military.com/news/article/study-dod-may-act-on-us-civil-unrest.html
I had to double-check and make sure I wasn't reading about China or Iran in that article...:(
misanthropist
08-06-11, 18:21
Not that it's not an issue or anything...but back in the early 90s we had our credit rating cut down to AA up here in Canada.
Obviously it wasn't ideal, but we've been back at AAA for a few years now having put more effort into balancing our federal budgets since about 1995 or so.
So at the least, I can say from experience that living in a country without a triple A credit score is not automatically a major concern. I'm sure if you get people in who can take control of the US deficits, you'll find your credit restored.
Not to take away from the "man the battle stations" feel of the thread or anything...just saying, I have been through it in my country and it didn't end up being that big of a deal. It was just an impetus to get our finances on track, and, thankfully, that was done, and only a few years later, we now have one of the strongest economies in the world. And, in fact, have been pretty unscathed by the worldwide credit problems of the last three years.
So it can be done, as long as there is the political will. The problem in the US at the moment is that no one party has enough power to act decisively. Nobody has the political stomach for anything, because the margins of victory and defeat are razor thin.
Anyway, as long as you can get control of your federal budgets, it's a problematic, but not necessarily disastrous, situation, as evidenced by my own country's slide into credit trouble, and subsequent climb back out.
Just a Jarhead
08-06-11, 18:23
I don't understand how the govt. can be so inept at everything they do and yet people think there are evil masterminds potting behind the scenes.
The sad part is, people will realize how inept our government is when S does HTF and they can't put Humpty Dumpty back together again.
Dave, it's not so much we think the Gov. is plotting behind the scenes as much as , we, like they, think an economic crisis in the United States could lead to massive civil unrest. That's all. BUT....Who among us doubts POTUS would love to be dictator? He has even recently said his life would be easier if he was one. "Never let a crisis go to waste"...remember?
Dave, it's not so much we think the Gov. is plotting behind the scenes as much as , we, like they, think an economic crisis in the United States could lead to massive civil unrest. That's all. BUT....Who among us doubts POTUS would love to be dictator? He has even recently said his life would be easier if he was one. "Never let a crisis go to waste"...remember?
he's got money and people behind him ready to change the country...soros, francis fox-piven, van jones and the list goes on...it's not just him, it's a whole network of people that are organizing to change this country to a marxist/socialist country whether we like it or not...they(meaning right and leftists)have think-tanks that think this shit up and what the responses will be...why do people insist that this isn't gonna happen??? i hope that i am wrong and you can laugh it off later!!! but do i think that is gonna happen??? NO...our freedom, liberty and the great life that we have in this country that we have served in the armed services is under fire...and still people want to bury their heads in the internet, books, tv, hobbies and vacations they can't afford just to play charades...nothing to see here people, nothing to see...
BUT....Who among us doubts POTUS would love to be dictator? He has even recently said his life would be easier if he was one. "Never let a crisis go to waste"...remember?
Who wouldn't love to be dictator? Seriously? Who doesn't want to kill someone from time to time? Does that mean he'll seek it out? If you hate Obama so much why don't you do something about it?
You're assuming that people lack self restraint and don't care about the good of others. That's what makes us different than animals. Just because we'd like to have sex with a beautiful person we just met doesn't mean we'll rape them on the spot.
Not that it's not an issue or anything...but back in the early 90s we had our credit rating cut down to AA up here in Canada.
Obviously it wasn't ideal, but we've been back at AAA for a few years now having put more effort into balancing our federal budgets since about 1995 or so.
So at the least, I can say from experience that living in a country without a triple A credit score is not automatically a major concern. I'm sure if you get people in who can take control of the US deficits, you'll find your credit restored.
Not to take away from the "man the battle stations" feel of the thread or anything...just saying, I have been through it in my country and it didn't end up being that big of a deal. It was just an impetus to get our finances on track, and, thankfully, that was done, and only a few years later, we now have one of the strongest economies in the world. And, in fact, have been pretty unscathed by the worldwide credit problems of the last three years.
So it can be done, as long as there is the political will. The problem in the US at the moment is that no one party has enough power to act decisively. Nobody has the political stomach for anything, because the margins of victory and defeat are razor thin.
Anyway, as long as you can get control of your federal budgets, it's a problematic, but not necessarily disastrous, situation, as evidenced by my own country's slide into credit trouble, and subsequent climb back out.
Most people that aren't too far off the deep end know this is fixable. It's not an over night fix, but it's doable at this point. The part that is scaring people & making people start preparing for SHTF scenario's, is that despite all of this happening there are still WAY too many people in Washington wanting to spend & borrow massive amounts more. If Washington was appearing to want to make serious cuts, even if they are hard cuts, a lot of the tension would be relieved. However, as it stands, it appears they are intent in burying us in debt & ruining our current system.....
So in short, it's brought on by Washington being broke (on both sides, imo)
I am concerned that my wife and I don't have a years worth of water and food, maybe one month if we diet.
What is going to happen if the feds shut everything down for whatever reason. I remember after 911, the skies were clear because no one knew if there were other people waiting to die in the air.
Will my bank account be there when I go to the ATM? will there even be power for an ATM or even wil there be an ATM? We have cash stashed for emergencies but no enough to pay our bills for a month. If my work is shut down how do I pay my bills? I might not even care about paying them, I doubt if I am the only one who feels that way.
Do I run out tomorrow and buy more food, water, ammo or gas for the cars? Is the bottom falling out of our society or does someone wants us to think that?
I have read a lot of "End of the World" stories over the last 55 years and I don't want my life to be like one of them.
[QUOTE=Just a Jarhead;1068365]Who among us doubts POTUS would love to be dictator? He has even recently said his life would be easier if he was one. QUOTE]
Would you happen to have a link for this, I'd love to have it. Maybe I could wake a few more people up.
BUT....Who among us doubts POTUS would love to be dictator? He has even recently said his life would be easier if he was one. "Never let a crisis go to waste"...remember?
Who wouldn't love to be dictator? Seriously? Who doesn't want to kill someone from time to time? Does that mean he'll seek it out? If you hate Obama so much why don't you do something about it?
You're assuming that people lack self restraint and don't care about the good of others. That's what makes us different than animals. Just because we'd like to have sex with a beautiful person we just met doesn't mean we'll rape them on the spot.
Logicalpath
08-07-11, 00:58
Who wouldn't love to be dictator? Seriously? Who doesn't want to kill someone from time to time?
Are you asking, "who wouldn't want to impose force on other people"? Are you asking, who wouldn't want to take other individuals freedoms away? If so I can honestly say I do not, I JUST WANT TO BE FREE!
Does that mean he'll seek it out? If you hate Obama so much why don't you do something about it?
Do you mean other than voting against him in the upcoming election?
You're assuming that people lack self restraint and don't care about the good of others. That's what makes us different than animals. Just because we'd like to have sex with a beautiful person we just met doesn't mean we'll rape them on the spot.
Compassion for others is not what separates Man from animals. And apparently you don't think so either, you open your post by asking, "who doesn't want to kill someone from time to time". What separates us is Man's mind, that is what separates "him" from savage beasts. Some of which is broken down in the quote box below.
Man’s essential characteristic is his rational faculty. Man’s mind is his basic means of survival—his only means of gaining knowledge . . . .
In order to sustain its life, every living species has to follow a certain course of action required by its nature. The action required to sustain human life is primarily intellectual: everything man needs has to be discovered by his mind and produced by his effort. Production is the application of reason to the problem of survival.
Reason integrates man’s perceptions by means of forming abstractions or conceptions, thus raising man’s knowledge from the perceptual level, which he shares with animals, to the conceptual level, which he alone can reach. The method which reason employs in this process is logic—and logic is the art of non-contradictory identification.
The senses, concepts, logic: these are the elements of man’s rational faculty—its start, its form, its method. In essence, “follow reason” means: base knowledge on observation; form concepts according to the actual (measurable) relationships among concretes; use concepts according to the rules of logic (ultimately, the Law of Identity). Since each of these elements is based on the facts of reality, the conclusions reached by a process of reason are objective.
Reason does not work automatically; thinking is not a mechanical process; the connections of logic are not made by instinct. The function of your stomach, lungs or heart are automatic; the function of your mind is not. In any hour and issue of your life, you are free to think or to evade that effort. But you are not free to escape from the fact that reason is your means of survival.
Because although the automated processes of your body, your senses and sheerly autonomic functions, will tell you what you need, they do not automatically tell you how to meet those needs. My stomach can tell me that I'm hungry. But not what is poisonous or healthy to eat. My nerve endings can tell me that something is causing me pain, but pain itself does not tell me what course of action to take to avoid it in the future. Reason is the faculty that identifies and integrates the material provided by man’s senses. It's a faculty that man has to exercise by choice.
When man unfocuses his mind, he may be said to be conscious in a subhuman sense of the word, since he experiences sensations and perceptions. But in the sense of the word applicable to man—in the sense of a consciousness which is aware of reality and able to deal with it, in the sense of having not merely immediate sensory perceptions but of forming and weighing concepts and premises, a consciousness able to direct the actions and provide for the survival of a human being—an unfocused mind is not conscious.
A process of thought is not automatic nor instinctive nor involuntary- nor infallible. Man has to initiate it, to sustain it and to bear responsibility for its results. He has to discover how to tell what is true or false and how to correct his own errors; he has to discover how to validate his concepts, his conclusions, his knowledge; he has to discover the rules of thought, the laws of logic, to direct his thinking. Nothing can force a man to think, and nature gives him no automatic guarantee of the efficacy of his mental effort, only the necessity of pursuing it.
That which man’s survival requires is set by his nature and is not open to his choice- I don't choose whether or not I need sustenance. I don't choose many of the unique situational and personal challenges that will arise in my life. What is open to choice is only whether we will seek to discover the answers or not. Man is free to choose harm over benefit if he wants, but not free to succeed with it in the sense of attempting to divorce actions from consequences. Man is free to choose not to be conscious, but not free to escape the penalty of unconsciousness: destruction. Man is the only living species that has the power to act as his own destroyer- to consciously choose between his own harm or benefit. He is free to evade reality, he is free to unfocus his mind and stumble blindly down any road he pleases, but not free to avoid the abyss he refuses to see.
Who wouldn't love to be dictator? Seriously? Who doesn't want to kill someone from time to time? Does that mean he'll seek it out? If you hate Obama so much why don't you do something about it?
You're assuming that people lack self restraint and don't care about the good of others. That's what makes us different than animals. Just because we'd like to have sex with a beautiful person we just met doesn't mean we'll rape them on the spot.
"Who wouldn't love to be dictator?" WTF? Seriously, WTF?
Step away from the socialism bro.
Just a Jarhead
08-07-11, 04:39
Would you happen to have a link for this, I'd love to have it. Maybe I could wake a few more people up.
Several times now he has alluded to this. I know of no other President to have done so. Some may think these comments benign. Many of us don't. This is an American President making these comments for god sake. This just isn't done, or never has been done I should say until this hip-hop President (I expect a gold tooth & sagggy drawers anyday now). We know this mans philosophies and background inside & out and where his beliefs and admiration of World Leaders lie. "Fundamentally change America" ...remember?
Speech to LaRaza June 25, 2011. At 15:18 into this video speech, and the Laraza crowd cheers him on to do it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqve7zzX4HQ
And Obama March 2011: “Gee, it would be easier to be President of China”..take your pick from the searches below until you find what is a credible source to you.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=hts&oq=&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLJ_en&q=Obama%3a+Gee%2c+it+would+be+easier+to+be+President+of+China
The Internet and conservative Media were all abuzz with this. I don't mean to criticize at all, but this is why people don't know this stuff already, why they ridicule. Because they only listen to the Lame Stream Media. This is why they think we're off the wall and crazy. Because they are not as informed. With the uproar these comments caused, I can't fathom anyone in America would not know he made these comments. But yet I will go out on a limb and say that more know nothing of these comments than are aware of them. That's the sad part. Most of the country has their head in the sand.
All I'm saying, given the opportunity, he would grab a dictatorship in a NY minute! Many of us believe that. He has great admiration for Hugo Chavez...remember? And what Chavez did in Venezuela...remember? Or shall I provide video of that too? Now it will probably never happen. The military, thank GOD, would prevent it. And he knows it! I wouldn't doubt if they have so much as actually told him so. There's too many old guard General McCrystals still around. And if anyone doesn't think General McCrystals Rolling Stone interview incident and subsequent firing didn't have them all talking and put it on the table when you have a top General stating Obama is the biggest threat to America. But if he thought, or thinks otherwise, in the midst of a major world shaken crisis..........
If you're worried about tomorrow literally, go buy $100 worth of rice & beans. Fill every container you own with water. Buy a few hundred rounds of ammo & a few gas cans full of fuel. Get some piece of mind.
If your account isn't valid at the ATM then your cash isn't either. If this ever happens, gun-up & brace yourself because it's already started.
I have to agree. Something is better than nothing. Just remember that everyone has to start somewhere. Good luck.
I am concerned that my wife and I don't have a years worth of water and food, maybe one month if we diet.
What is going to happen if the feds shut everything down for whatever reason. I remember after 911, the skies were clear because no one knew if there were other people waiting to die in the air.
Will my bank account be there when I go to the ATM? will there even be power for an ATM or even wil there be an ATM? We have cash stashed for emergencies but no enough to pay our bills for a month. If my work is shut down how do I pay my bills? I might not even care about paying them, I doubt if I am the only one who feels that way.
Do I run out tomorrow and buy more food, water, ammo or gas for the cars? Is the bottom falling out of our society or does someone wants us to think that?
I have read a lot of "End of the World" stories over the last 55 years and I don't want my life to be like one of them.
If you're worried about tomorrow literally, go buy $100 worth of rice & beans. Fill every container you own with water. Buy a few hundred rounds of ammo & a few gas cans full of fuel. Get some piece of mind.
If your account isn't valid at the ATM then your cash isn't either. If this ever happens, gun-up & brace yourself because it's already started.
I am concerned that my wife and I don't have a years worth of water and food, maybe one month if we diet.
What is going to happen if the feds shut everything down for whatever reason. I remember after 911, the skies were clear because no one knew if there were other people waiting to die in the air.
Will my bank account be there when I go to the ATM? will there even be power for an ATM or even wil there be an ATM? We have cash stashed for emergencies but no enough to pay our bills for a month. If my work is shut down how do I pay my bills? I might not even care about paying them, I doubt if I am the only one who feels that way.
Do I run out tomorrow and buy more food, water, ammo or gas for the cars? Is the bottom falling out of our society or does someone wants us to think that?
I have read a lot of "End of the World" stories over the last 55 years and I don't want my life to be like one of them.
In the event the economy collapses...on a large, nation-wide scale, that cash will become kindling and TP. If you have the extra cash that you want to "invest", then invest it in food, water, security, medical. Those are the big four in my opinion. I'm assuming you don't live under a bridge, so you already have the shelter...and don't worry about house payments or rent if/when the S really does HTF.
and don't worry about house payments or rent if/when the S really does HTF.
This is why I buy all my metals with a credit card and then wait up to 29 days to pay off my balance... :happy:
Is the bottom falling out of our society or does someone wants us to think that?
If Wall St. tanks on Monday, some folks will make a bundle shorting the market and others will go on a shopping spree at the same address.
This is why I buy all my metals with a credit card and then wait up to 29 days to pay off my balance... :happy:
i definately agree with both of those statements...i buy everything on my cc and then wait until the last day to pay off the entire balance...mortgage is with B of A, i wait until the last possible day with them and looks as though they are teetering on the brink now...someone will probably buy up all of their toxic debt, just as they did for countrywide though...oh well, a guy can still dream about the banksters collapse can't he??? LOL...
Several times now he has alluded to this. I know of no other President to have done so. Some may think these comments benign. Many of us don't. This is an American President making these comments for god sake. This just isn't done, or never has been done I should say until this hip-hop President (I expect a gold tooth & sagggy drawers anyday now). We know this mans philosophies and background inside & out and where his beliefs and admiration of World Leaders lie. "Fundamentally change America" ...remember?
Speech to LaRaza June 25, 2011. At 15:18 into this video speech, and the Laraza crowd cheers him on to do it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqve7zzX4HQ
And Obama March 2011: “Gee, it would be easier to be President of China”..take your pick from the searches below until you find what is a credible source to you.
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=hts&oq=&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLJ_en&q=Obama%3a+Gee%2c+it+would+be+easier+to+be+President+of+China
The Internet and conservative Media were all abuzz with this. I don't mean to criticize at all, but this is why people don't know this stuff already, why they ridicule. Because they only listen to the Lame Stream Media. This is why they think we're off the wall and crazy. Because they are not as informed. With the uproar these comments caused, I can't fathom anyone in America would not know he made these comments. But yet I will go out on a limb and say that more know nothing of these comments than are aware of them. That's the sad part. Most of the country has their head in the sand.
All I'm saying, given the opportunity, he would grab a dictatorship in a NY minute! Many of us believe that. He has great admiration for Hugo Chavez...remember? And what Chavez did in Venezuela...remember? Or shall I provide video of that too? Now it will probably never happen. The military, thank GOD, would prevent it. And he knows it! I wouldn't doubt if they have so much as actually told him so. There's too many old guard General McCrystals still around. And if anyone doesn't think General McCrystals Rolling Stone interview incident and subsequent firing didn't have them all talking and put it on the table when you have a top General stating Obama is the biggest threat to America. But if he thought, or thinks otherwise, in the midst of a major world shaken crisis..........
Oh I have no doubts what HE would like to do to this nation, he has already done more than I ever thought I'd see a potus do. I refuse to listen to him speak and now that GB is no longer on Fox I have yet to find anyone who will expose his motivations and hidden agendas. God help the USA.
Speech to LaRaza June 25, 2011. At 15:18 into this video speech, and the Laraza crowd cheers him on to do it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqve7zzX4HQ
So many things that stand out about that video. Maybe I'm reading too much into this but I find it downright scary. First that he said it at all, second that people applauded as if "yes...that's exactly what we want", but what really gets me is his little head bob when they applaud. That little bit of body language tells me isn't "just sayin"
Belmont31R
08-07-11, 13:21
Oh I have no doubts what HE would like to do to this nation, he has already done more than I ever thought I'd see a potus do. I refuse to listen to him speak and now that GB is no longer on Fox I have yet to find anyone who will expose his motivations and hidden agendas. God help the USA.
Fox loves them RINO's and GB was the only dude on that channel who would speak the truth about Obama's past, present intentions, and future ambitions. Stossel, and Judge Nepalitano are also very good, but since its the RINO channel they allow people like Bill Oreilly to openly insult the Judge and continue on with his elitist spew. They've had several full time hosts talk shit about the Constitution being old and outdated among other things.
This is why I buy all my metals with a credit card and then wait up to 29 days to pay off my balance... :happy:
I do the same thing......but with most everything I buy. Just in case I need a large amout of cash real quick.
If you hate Obama so much why don't you do something about it?
And what ARE you suggesting he do about it?
And what ARE you suggesting he do about it?
Vote.........:blink:
Ga Shooter
08-08-11, 12:22
There have been a few threads lately that sort of got away from the forum rule:
So, here is the rub... this is not a forum to discuss how political, social, economical or extra-terrestrial influences may lead to things going awry. Please feel free to discuss steps to take in preparation for Natural Disaster, Civil Unrest, Terrorist Attack or the Collapse of Key Infrastructure; but please, no speculation, prediction, news or warnings of how/why/when any of these may happen.
But, tough times dictate and these things need discussed... keep it realistic, and keep it in this thread.
Thanks!
K.L. Davis
08-08-11, 12:31
There have been a few threads lately that sort of got away from the forum rule:
So, here is the rub... this is not a forum to discuss how political, social, economical or extra-terrestrial influences may lead to things going awry. Please feel free to discuss steps to take in preparation for Natural Disaster, Civil Unrest, Terrorist Attack or the Collapse of Key Infrastructure; but please, no speculation, prediction, news or warnings of how/why/when any of these may happen.
But, tough times dictate and these things need discussed... keep it realistic, and keep it in this thread.
... but please, no speculation, prediction, news or warnings of how/why/when any of these may happen.[/I]
But, tough times dictate and these things need discussed... keep it realistic, and keep it in this thread.
With all due respect; all this is usually required to formulate a plan (within reason of course).
4x4twenty6
08-08-11, 13:36
With all of these so called violent flash mobs popping up, 58 i believe so far this year, we are getting closer to an incident like the one going on in London at this moment.
200 arrested so far and still the riots and fires and destruction continue.
With this comes an additional problem here in the states, all these people being arrested and no where to hold them.
We have dope dealers and other violent criminals being released for over crowding so we know in that situation they wont be off the streets for long.
Be prepared and get the hell out of there cuz when the police come shit could get real ugly.
QuietShootr
08-08-11, 13:42
I have a suggestion to keep this one from getting locked. Completely ignore, as in do not respond, to the race baiting PC trolls that are going to show up. Putting them on ignore is a great idea. Let's not let them shut down another good thread.
Anyway.
I wonder what our enemy is thinking right about... ... ... NOW!
Completely ignore, as in do not respond, to the race baiting PC trolls that are going to show up. Putting them on ignore is a great idea.
I just put "them" on my list. Good idea.
I have been watching the rioting in London. What a bunch of savages. I'm watching them block roads, smash all glass in sight, and start fires. This situation makes me want to prep my vehicles a little more than they currently are, especially my wife's vehicle.
I small fire extinguisher might be a good idea if some asshole were to throw a Molotov Cocktail at your car?
I was also thinking about head protection because these animals are throwing everything they can. An ACH would be too "stand-out-ish" and a Pro-Tec may also; what about a standard construction hard hat? It may look a little odd if you are wearing a suit, but it's common enough not to cause too many looks and still protect your dome.
Is it cool to post stuff that's relevant or events that are possibly contributing leading up to a SHTF scenario? As an example, in the thread I started, I was posting things on civil unrest, rioting, crime, etc. It looks like 3 threads were merged into one...
4x4twenty6
08-08-11, 15:12
I too have thoroughly enjoyed the conversations we have had and knowing there are people out there with the same thinking as me is very comforting in an obvious uncomfortable time.
I got my bailout bag in my truck at all times.
I dont start work until beginning of september, so i am doing my best to not spend money on gear until i start pulling that paycheck in. Wife's paycheck and savings has us comfortable with bills for a while, but no new gear.
Sucks to have had to move 7 hours from family, new house, new city, new bills really put a damper on my toy fund. Not too mention the long ass hiring process i have been put through.
The economic situation makes it 10x worse.
Ga Shooter
08-08-11, 15:12
Is it cool to post stuff that's relevant or events that are possibly contributing leading up to a SHTF scenario? As an example, in the thread I started, I was posting things on civil unrest, rioting, crime, etc. It looks like 3 threads were merged into one...
I hope so. Thst is the informative stuff that we really need to know.
More good news
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v...layer_embedded
If I'm tracking correctly here:
Riddle me this, If the Government employess all want to keep their jobs & get paid (especially since salaries are going up) & the entitlement slackers vote for for the candidate who promises these entitlement programs how is it mathematically possible via voting to contract or reign in the deficit spending ?
I cannot get link to work.
VooDoo6Actual
08-08-11, 15:25
redacted.
Philly is now imposing curfews to combat "flash mobs". http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2011/08/08/nutter-sets-9pm-weekend-curfew-for-minors-in-center-city-university-city/
I have my own ideas on how to handle these mobs. ;)
i used to think that these guys carrying more firepower in their cars like "best defense" on the outdoor channel were a bit tweaked...now, not so much...tinfoil hat back on now...
K.L. Davis
08-08-11, 15:53
The subject, comments and ideas in this thread - and the ones that I redirected here - are all valid and need to be discussed, that is why this is tacked and open.
Historically, a hypothesis of these events all too quickly degrades into TEOTWAWKI!! OMGSHTFNAZIZOMBIEBARBQ!!
Sadly, when that happens... anything that was useful is forever lost, and those that were involved all come away with less than they went in with.
These are unprecedented times and these conversations need to take place... and trust me when I say that I am perhaps the last person here that does not "get it" - I also own like a freakin' bajillion zombie movies.
So, for the purpose of keeping this alive, I sort of lumped a few things together and put them in the spotlight - if anyone thinks that one of the threads that is redirected here needs to stand alone, just let me know... the motive is to keep this section of the forum professional, informative and above reproach.
The Dow is at -634. Gold's at $1720/oz. Bank of America stock dropped 20% today. Citibank dropped 16%. Tick tock tick tock...
The Dow is at -634. Gold's at $1720/oz. Bank of America stock dropped 20% today. Citibank dropped 16%. Tick tock tick tock...
not good news at all...thanks to k.l. davis for merging the threads!!! makes it easier for us to read...now lets just keep it open!!! i've really enjoyed the comments, articles and such!!!
Given recent events, it is very likely that things are going to give somewhere. The question is where...and how?
I think that it is very unlikely that we'll see events like Mad Max or The Road happening unless some big piece of S really does HTF, as in a EMP blast.
Otherwise, it is more likely that our country could spiral into how Argentina is currently. Higher crime, higher unemployment, and a severely damaged economy will probably be the norm, but life will go on. As mentioned in other threads, bugging out isn't necessarily the correct thing to do. Sometimes, bugging in and keeping your head down is. Surviving on the road isn't easy and unless you have a good place to go, it isn't wise.
I was reading on FerFAL's (Fernando Aguirre in Argentina) blog and he was saying that many of the more rural areas just outside of major population centers tend to see more home invasion type crime and being more rural, you're cut-off from LE and other folks. This makes it easier for a gang of bad guys to approach and penetrate your position. Unless you have a well prepared group with well defended positions, it may be wiser to blend in with the rest of society's sheep until the smoke clears up a bit.
If things were to fall to pieces and not come back to what we have today it would be nice to have another destination where we could link up and rebuild knowing that we were rebuilding with like-minded folks. Thing is how do you securely share that grid and not tell those that you don't want knowing that there are droves of well armed, well trained patriots in one spot.
Galt's Gulch! Doug Casey, of Casey Research, is in fact building a "Galt's Gulch" type of place in NW Argentina called La Estancia de Cafayate (http://www.laestanciadecafayate.com/) which looks very nice! I know it's out of the realm of most people and that's why we're headed to Idaho.
Interesting BBC news video showing London burning today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675
I have, and I think most that have been writing in this thread and it's parent, step-parent, aunt & uncle, and hot cousin threads all have some sort of bugout plan with a destination. If things were to fall to pieces and not come back to what we have today it would be nice to have another destination where we could link up and rebuild knowing that we were rebuilding with like-minded folks. Thing is how do you securely share that grid and not tell those that you don't want knowing that there are droves of well armed, well trained patriots in one spot. Good target for a MOAB!
I don't think I am alone here in saying that Irish's thread (Are you prepared for mass civil disobedience?) should not have been closed. I know you want to keep the forum on track and focused, but there was more good information in that thread than I have seen in just about any other thread...aside from a couple people accusing the thread of being full of racists and wanting to be more "PC"...but I guess that's to be expected. Do what you want, but I would hate to see all that info go unnoticed by others who can keep things in perspective and not get their panties in a bunch.
I think a better course of action would have been just deleting the posts and warning the author that started the slide.
4x4twenty6
08-08-11, 17:24
The more the gov't keeps talking about cutting defense the more i think an attack from terrorist type organization is probable.
I read a story today that Arkansas State Police detonated a suspicious package in front of a bank in Hot Springs. A little to close to home for me.
Idaho?! Where's that?! I was thinkin' Texas!
One of my customers just called me from the UK. He just made it home and said he had to make his way through some of the riots. He's a little wound up!
Dave, it's not so much we think the Gov. is plotting behind the scenes as much as , we, like they, think an economic crisis in the United States could lead to massive civil unrest. That's all. BUT....Who among us doubts POTUS would love to be dictator? He has even recently said his life would be easier if he was one. "Never let a crisis go to waste"...remember?
I disagree. The current POTUS is not trying to be a dictator. I would point you to the Unitary Executive Theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory
As for the dictator quote.. you're listening to the spin. here is the transcript of the relevant quote.
"POTUS: Believe me, and… and, and, and believe me right now dealing with congress...the idea...
Crowd erupts saying: "Yes You Can! Yes You Can!"
(pause for crowd)
Crowd gets even louder: "Yes You Can! Yes You Can!"
POTUS: But, but, but believe me...uh...believe me the idea of doing things on my own are very tempting.
POTUS: I promise you, not just on immigration reform... But that's not how...that's not how our system works... that's not how our democracy functions."
Apparently, sarcasm IS dead. If you watch the actual speech on video, the joking tone in the President's voice is plainly obvious. So, NO, President Obama is not trying to be a dictator. I heard the same charges from the left when Bush was in office. "He's trying to take over... The sky is falling... etc." The present Commander in Chief is a natural born, American citizen, duly elected by the States and the Electoral College (as opposed to a 5-4 vote in the Supreme Court.:haha:) Anyone who believes the contrary is in need of a real tin-foil-hat. You don't have to agree with the policies of certain politicians but trying to undercut the other side's argument by simply dismissing them as "un-American," is intellectually dishonest.
"We are all entitled to our own opinions, just not our own facts." Sen. Moynahan
The Dow is at -634. Gold's at $1720/oz. Bank of America stock dropped 20% today. Citibank dropped 16%. Tick tock tick tock...
And that is the result of going from AAA to AA+. Can you imagine what things would look like if we'd followed some politicians suggestions of simply going ahead and defaulting altogether?! Yeah, that's just a swell idea! :rolleyes:
So, for the purpose of keeping this alive, I sort of lumped a few things together and put them in the spotlight - if anyone thinks that one of the threads that is redirected here needs to stand alone, just let me know... the motive is to keep this section of the forum professional, informative and above reproach.
I don't think I am alone here in saying that Irish's thread (Are you prepared for mass civil disobedience?) should not have been closed. I know you want to keep the forum on track and focused, but there was more good information in that thread than I have seen in just about any other thread...aside from a couple people accusing the thread of being full of racists and wanting to be more "PC"...but I guess that's to be expected. Do what you want, but I would hate to see all that info go unnoticed by others who can keep things in perspective and not get their panties in a bunch.
My wife is a banker & she's been putting off getting her CCW. That has changed with the recent events & she wants the next class. Now if I can only get her to carry on her person & not purse carry. I won't argue with it though as long as it gets her heading in the right direction.
I don't think I am alone here in saying that Irish's thread (Are you prepared for mass civil disobedience?) should not have been closed. I know you want to keep the forum on track and focused, but there was more good information in that thread than I have seen in just about any other thread...aside from a couple people accusing the thread of being full of racists and wanting to be more "PC"...but I guess that's to be expected. Do what you want, but I would hate to see all that info go unnoticed by others who can keep things in perspective and not get their panties in a bunch.
Not that my opinion is worth more than the .02 that I'm putting in, but I agree with Ironman. That was a very informative thread with 95% good info vs the 5% of people trying to start trouble. This thread will basically be in place of that thread & most things will be have to be re-posted to get the same point across.
whiteknuckels
08-08-11, 18:30
I don't think I am alone here in saying that Irish's thread (Are you prepared for mass civil disobedience?) should not have been closed. I know you want to keep the forum on track and focused, but there was more good information in that thread than I have seen in just about any other thread...aside from a couple people accusing the thread of being full of racists and wanting to be more "PC"...but I guess that's to be expected. Do what you want, but I would hate to see all that info go unnoticed by others who can keep things in perspective and not get their panties in a bunch.
this was actually the thread that drew me to the site
VooDoo6Actual
08-08-11, 19:12
redacted.
Several times now he has alluded to this. I know of no other President to have done so.
"I told all four that there are going to be some times where we don't agree with each other, but that's okay. If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier... (pause for laughter) ...just so long as I'm the dictator (laughter)." G.W. Bush, 2000
"It is the responsibility of the citizens to support their government. It is not the responsibility of the government to support its citizens. " -G. Cleveland
"There ought to be limits to freedom." G.W. Bush, 2003
"What we say, goes" -G.H.W. Bush, 1991 to the Council on Foreign Relations
"Whenever you have an efficient government, you have a dictatorship." -Harry Truman
Shall I go on? Over-generalizations can be misleading.
I disagree. The current POTUS is not trying to be a dictator. I would point you to the Unitary Executive Theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory
As for the dictator quote.. you're listening to the spin. here is the transcript of the relevant quote.
"POTUS: Believe me, and… and, and, and believe me right now dealing with congress...the idea...
Crowd erupts saying: "Yes You Can! Yes You Can!"
(pause for crowd)
Crowd gets even louder: "Yes You Can! Yes You Can!"
POTUS: But, but, but believe me...uh...believe me the idea of doing things on my own are very tempting.
POTUS: I promise you, not just on immigration reform... But that's not how...that's not how our system works... that's not how our democracy functions."
Apparently, sarcasm IS dead. If you watch the actual speech on video, the joking tone in the President's voice is plainly obvious. So, NO, President Obama is not trying to be a dictator. I heard the same charges from the left when Bush was in office. "He's trying to take over... The sky is falling... etc." The present Commander in Chief is a natural born, American citizen, duly elected by the States and the Electoral College (as opposed to a 5-4 vote in the Supreme Court.:haha:) Anyone who believes the contrary is in need of a real tin-foil-hat. You don't have to agree with the policies of certain politicians but trying to undercut the other side's argument by simply dismissing them as "un-American," is intellectually dishonest.
"We are all entitled to our own opinions, just not our own facts." Sen. Moynahan
You need a bigger tin foil hat if you think GWB didn't win Florida in 2000.
Galt's Gulch! Doug Casey, of Casey Research, is in fact building a "Galt's Gulch" type of place in NW Argentina called La Estancia de Cafayate (http://www.laestanciadecafayate.com/) which looks very nice! I know it's out of the realm of most people and that's why we're headed to Idaho.
Interesting BBC news video showing London burning today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14449675
FerFAL's take on moving to Salta, Cafayate
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2011/08/moving-to-cafayate-salta-in-argentina.html
For those of you that are getting started a little late:
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/2011/07/next-72hs-what-last-minute-preps-to.html
IN case some are not aware:
http://www.neurope.eu/articles/Londons-burning/107838.php#ixzz1UTXZZiBk
I hope it will not cause offense for me to say that the London stuff is essentially race riots. The Mosaic society / multiculturalism does not work. Those who feel marginalized (in this case black people from Africa) act out. We could get the same in the USA, but I think it would be limited like Hurricane Katrine or the Rodney King riots.
But if the welfare checks stop, look out! Thanks to Section 8 housing, those who are useless to society (i.e., the cradle to grave welfare class) who will go bananas now live among us. I urge everyone to know where the Section 8 housing is in their area so that that threat can be identified in advance.
You need a bigger tin foil hat if you think GWB didn't win Florida in 2000.
The 2000 election is not the topic here but OK. Technically, yes. However, I never said he didn't win in the end. It's also not my job to educate you in US history. Do your own homework and use multiple, non-partisan sources. I will refer you to Bush v. Gore and the official record of the 2000 election, to get you started and I leave you with one question: How can we know the results of any election if all of the legal votes are not counted?:no:
4x4twenty6
08-08-11, 21:39
I dont doubt the possibility of race riots being the catalyst, but once it happens dirt balls of all races will join in the mayhem.
I watched some of the footage from the London riots today and I saw people of all races and sexes tearing all kinds of shit up and throwing whole bottles, chairs and pipes at police.
That behavior is disturbing as all hell. Not to mention it gives me a major case of the red ass.
Typical emotional response when logic escapes you. Show me the data to which you refer. Mine is the Supreme Court decision; Bush v. Gore.
FFS. The data would be the fact that, cherry picked fishing expedition notwithstanding, Al Gore had less votes cast for him in all 67 counties in Florida than George Bush did.
I disagree. The current POTUS is not trying to be a dictator. I would point you to the Unitary Executive Theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory
As for the dictator quote.. you're listening to the spin. here is the transcript of the relevant quote.
"POTUS: Believe me, and… and, and, and believe me right now dealing with congress...the idea...
Crowd erupts saying: "Yes You Can! Yes You Can!"
(pause for crowd)
Crowd gets even louder: "Yes You Can! Yes You Can!"
POTUS: But, but, but believe me...uh...believe me the idea of doing things on my own are very tempting.
POTUS: I promise you, not just on immigration reform... But that's not how...that's not how our system works... that's not how our democracy functions."
Apparently, sarcasm IS dead. If you watch the actual speech on video, the joking tone in the President's voice is plainly obvious. So, NO, President Obama is not trying to be a dictator. I heard the same charges from the left when Bush was in office. "He's trying to take over... The sky is falling... etc." The present Commander in Chief is a natural born, American citizen, duly elected by the States and the Electoral College (as opposed to a 5-4 vote in the Supreme Court.:haha:) Anyone who believes the contrary is in need of a real tin-foil-hat. You don't have to agree with the policies of certain politicians but trying to undercut the other side's argument by simply dismissing them as "un-American," is intellectually dishonest.
"We are all entitled to our own opinions, just not our own facts." Sen. Moynahan
OK, you can believe that but no matter what he is still a socialist.....no getting around that. He has proven that time and time again. He cares more for the worthless masses (the Zombies, if you will) then the Country. Remember that the US is greater than any one group of people. He does not know that, and if he does then he does not care. I am sure that is why most people truly dislike him.
"We are all entitled to our own opinions, just not our own facts." Sen. Moynahan……Only we can make those up. And the libtards do it whenever it suits them.
And over-simplifying an issue is naive.
Why do libs feel that they need to interject their BS into everything that we do? They are more concerned with the actions of others then their own. Hypocrisy runs ramped amongst them. They will be the first ones to denounce guns, yet they all have armed body guards………that is fair. You do not see me hanging out on an ACLU forum and TRYING to sharp shoot everything that they say. I learned at an early age that there are two types of people that you should never have an argument, decision, or debate with; the crazy and the stupid. It is impossible to win because they do not follow the rules of common sense. Sharing information is great. Just make sure it is relevant. No matter what you think you can not be a progressive that supports gun rights and freedom……it is like being a priest that is atheist. It is a contradiction in terms. If you just enjoy being the “odd man out” for the sake of doing it then you might want to rethink some stuff.
Back on topic:
I too feel that the topic “Are you prepared for mass civil disobedience?” should be re-opened. I understand that there are a few threads that are redundant but that one I feel has evolved into a very educational one.
OK, you can believe that but no matter what he is still a socialist.....no getting around that. He has proven that time and time again. He cares more for the worthless masses (the Zombies, if you will) then the Country. Remember that the US is greater than any one group of people. He does not know that, and if he does then he does not care. I am sure that is why most people truly dislike him.
"We are all entitled to our own opinions, just not our own facts." Sen. Moynahan……Only we can make those up. And the libtards do it whenever it suits them.
And over-simplifying an issue is naive.
Why do libs feel that they need to interject their BS into everything that we do? They are more concerned with the actions of others then their own. Hypocrisy runs ramped amongst them. They will be the first ones to denounce guns, yet they all have armed body guards………that is fair. You do not see me hanging out on an ACLU forum and TRYING to sharp shoot everything that they say. I learned at an early age that there are two types of people that you should never have an argument, decision, or debate with; the crazy and the stupid. It is impossible to win because they do not follow the rules of common sense. Sharing information is great. Just make sure it is relevant. No matter what you think you can not be a progressive that supports gun rights and freedom……it is like being a priest that is atheist. It is a contradiction in terms. If you just enjoy being the “odd man out” for the sake of doing it then you might want to rethink some stuff.
Back on topic:
I too feel that the topic “Are you prepared for mass civil disobedience?” should be re-opened. I understand that there are a few threads that are redundant but that one I feel has evolved into a very educational one.
WOW! Where do I start with this... I'll go in order, I guess.
Obama is a socialist as much as any one, who supports the military, fire department, police department, schools, hospitals electricity, water and roads. Socialist projects by definition, every single one.
"Only we can make those up. And the libtards do it whenever it suits them. " This makes no sense, please clarify. "We" meaning you make up your own facts just like uninformed liberals do?
What did I over simplify? I can go into more detail, but you couldn't afford my tuition fees anyway.
Hypocrisy is a symptom of the extremes on both sides. You think liberals tell you what to do? How about the right's own hypocrisies. Opposing Abortion While Paying For An Abortion; Condemning Homosexuality While Practicing Homosexuality; Illicit Drug Sourcing (Rush); Obstruction of Justice (Nixon); No New Taxes (Bush). There's a lot more.
"I learned at an early age that there are two types of people that you should never have an argument, decision, or debate with; the crazy and the stupid. It is impossible to win because they do not follow the rules of common sense." I agree with this one, I'm doing exactly that right now. I just haven't figured out which one you are, yet.
"Sharing information is great. Just make sure it is relevant." You supplied NO information in your post, just an attack on my post.
"No matter what you think you can not be a progressive that supports gun rights and freedom" Like I mentioned in another post. the Bill of Rights is not an A la Carte document. It's all or nothing. Webster's defines progressive as: "favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters..." By this definition, every member of the Tea Party is a progressive. Chew on that one for a while.
I'm not here to stir the pot, as it were. I will step up to correct an obvious factual error. And the fact is, I am a progressive AND a shooter. A pretty damn good one to. I'd love to see you at a competition sometime. Come out and have some fun. I'll be at USPSA Nationals next month. Just finished my NROI level 1.
Oh... I'm also a veteran. If you have something to say about that, I'd be happy to hear that face to face.
Does this forum have an award for "Most Retarded Post Ever"? If so, I would like to nominate the post which suggested the S.Ct. elected Bush 43, rather than the people (as a non-fraudulent recount in FL later proved).
I wouldn't mind merging the two threads, and perhaps cleaning up any posts that aren't worthy of staying.
Will you be our judge, wise old man... And also, I didn't start this particular topic. And based on the very first post, politics is a relevant topic in this thread, as a loss of confidence in it is the most likely reason for a civil disturbance.
I will also NOT be allowing someone to quote my post and proceed to misinterpret what I said and accuse me of being a "libtard." Whatever that is. My buddy's kid also makes up words to frame something he doesn't grasp...
uwe1, I'm surprised at your own hypocrisy. Willing to remove my freedom of speech because you don't like the facts I present.
Posts are out of order. So My question was, What is your local government plan for an official "Declaration of Emergency." Most locals have their heads up their collective asses. File a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request with your county and get their plan. Base yours around what they'll do, or try to.) Where is the water? Food? Medical Evac site? Extraction routes? Support agencies? Guard units nearby? Which ones?
Does this forum have an award for "Most Retarded Post Ever"? If so, I would like to nominate the post which suggested the S.Ct. elected Bush 43, rather than the people (as a non-fraudulent recount in FL later proved).
Typical emotional response when logic escapes you. Show me the data to which you refer. Mine is the Supreme Court decision; Bush v. Gore.
Typical emotional response when logic escapes you. Show me the data to which you refer. Mine is the Supreme Court decision; Bush v. Gore.
Please keep this thread on topic as the moderator K.L. Davis and many others have requested. This thread is starting to go the way of the other thread and the useful information is getting lost in the BS.
If you want to debate politics go to the General Discussion.
Back on topic:
I too feel that the topic “Are you prepared for mass civil disobedience?” should be re-opened. I understand that there are a few threads that are redundant but that one I feel has evolved into a very educational one.
I agree, that thread was great and contained the most information.
I wouldn't mind merging the two threads, and perhaps cleaning up any posts that aren't worthy of staying.
Unfortunately, that would take a lot of time and patience for the moderator involved.
I didn't target you. You took what I said and ran with it. The forum is specifically for disaster preparation. I was proposing we clean up the politics out of the thread, including any comments made by myself.
A few members made a few comments about the POTUS and you felt it necessary to engage, causing everyone else to engage, taking us back to the same problem we had before.
You quoted me and I responded. I'm not feeling like a target at all. If you'd read my posts, I did ask a topical question to get us back on track. A couple times. Have you answered? All I see is you policing others comments. Not adding anything to the discussion.
So, once more. You want a realistic scenario? try this...
DOW falls 2000 pts. in three days. All out war in the Norther Arabian Gulf sends crude soaring over $200/bbl=+/-$10/gal. Unrest in Western Europe erupts into regional conflicts similar to the 1930's. Your local grocery store closes because it has no inventory. Shipping and electricity costs soar. Your state government go bankrupt.
What's your plan?
Will you be our judge, wise old man... And also, I didn't start this particular topic. And based on the very first post, politics is a relevant topic in this thread, as a loss of confidence in it is the most likely reason for a civil disturbance.
I will also NOT be allowing someone to quote my post and proceed to misinterpret what I said and accuse me of being a "libtard." Whatever that is. My buddy's kid also makes up words to frame something he doesn't grasp...
uwe1, I'm surprised at your own hypocrisy. Willing to remove my freedom of speech because you don't like the facts I present.
I didn't target you. You took what I said and ran with it. The forum is specifically for disaster preparation. I was proposing we clean up the politics out of the thread, including any comments made by myself.
A few members made a few comments about the POTUS and you felt it necessary to engage, causing everyone else to engage, taking us back to the same problem we had before.
You quoted me and I responded. I'm not feeling like a target at all. If you'd read my posts, I did ask a topical question to get us back on track. A couple times. Have you answered? All I see is you policing others comments. Not adding anything to the discussion.
So, once more. You want a realistic scenario? try this...
DOW falls 2000 pts. in three days. All out war in the Norther Arabian Gulf sends crude soaring over $200/bbl=+/-$10/gal. Unrest in Western Europe erupts into regional conflicts similar to the 1930's. Your local grocery store closes because it has no inventory. Shipping and electricity costs soar. Your state government go bankrupt.
What's your plan?
Look man, I have no desire to get into it with you. I quoted you regarding keeping political tit-for-tat to the General Discussion forum.
You then managed to take a comment I made regarding bringing back a useful thread and editing the content to reduce the noise, and said I was trying to limit YOUR free speech.
Next, you think you're cooking up an "original" scenario, while everyone here has been discussing disaster preparation all along...
Welcome to my ignore list.
Look man, I have no desire to get into it with you. I quoted you regarding keeping political tit-for-tat to the General Discussion forum.
You then managed to take a comment I made regarding bringing back a useful thread and editing the content to reduce the noise, and said I was trying to limit YOUR free speech.
Next, you think you're cooking up an "original" scenario, while everyone here has been discussing disaster preparation all along...
Welcome to my ignore list.
I'm not surprised that you'd ignore a position that challenges your pre-conceived notions. I gave you an opportunity to add to the relevant discussion and you declined.
You advocated removing posts from the thread. If you're going to limit SOMEONES free speech, have the balls to specifically name the post that are not "worthy." Since your last several posts have not been on topic but directed at the posts of others and you last quoted me, who am I supposed to think you're talking about?
At least it's nice and cool with your head in the sand...
OK one more try on the topic, then someone else can present something relevant...
So My question was, What is your local government plan for an official "Declaration of Emergency." Most locals have their heads up their collective asses. File a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request with your county and get their plan. Base yours around what they'll do, or try to. Where is the water? Food? Medical Evac site? Extraction routes? Support agencies? Guard units nearby? Which ones?
And I am finished with this conversation and I will not reply back to anything that is not on topic.
I added him(and others) to my ignore list. We cannot keep being side tracked by a few progressives who keep baiting people off topic.
What did I over simplify? I can go into more detail, but you couldn't afford my tuition fees anyway.
"No matter what you think you can not be a progressive that supports gun rights and freedom" Like I mentioned in another post. the Bill of Rights is not an A la Carte document. It's all or nothing. Webster's defines progressive as: "favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters..." By this definition, every member of the Tea Party is a progressive. Chew on that one for a while.
I'd love to see you at a competition sometime. Come out and have some fun. I'll be at USPSA Nationals next month. Just finished my NROI level 1.
Oh... I'm also a veteran. If you have something to say about that, I'd be happy to hear that face to face.
That you for proving all of my points with that. I did not say one negative thing about you and you have to go for a personal attack. That is tactics 101 form the liberal hand book. Well played. From reading your posts I have to figure that you hacked into my bank account. Please do not do that or I will be forced to call the police. You said that you are speaking fact and not just making stuff up……….right???? Again, my point is proven.
Now this part is where it really gets weird………The Bill of Rights is good, period. So who wants it to change? I do not care who wants to change it, they would be an enemy of the people of the US if they tried. I am fine with the original way it was written. Which means get rid of all of the BS that the libs are taking away from it or trying to delete. I do not want to reform things…..They need to go back to the way they were before they were bastardised. That would make me more of a retroist, if it were a word. If something is not broken do not fix it. If you do try and fix it and it is worse then put it back the way it was. I chewed on it and it tasted like it was not well thought out. I am far from a Tea Party kind of person; they are a little too liberal for my tastes.
I too would love to come out and play but I am in Afghanistan dealing with those that do not like America and not in a nice way. Good luck at the competition.
WTF????? Is that supposed mean something to me? If YOU would read the posts I already know that. I mentioned you being in the Navy in a prior post that I made and it is on your signature line, USN '89-'92. Thank you for your service.
US Army ’90-NOW, making the world safer one dirt bag at a time.
And I am finished with this conversation and I will not reply back to anything that is not on topic.
I'm changing the name of this thread to "(The Official) here comes the THTF scenario..."
That's "Thread Hits the Fan".
I thought we were talking about incidents, plans, scenarios, etc...
Man! I step away for a little while to look into options other than the connex (which seems to be very unstable when buried) and I come back and you kids are tearing up the house. You're all grounded!
I'm changing the name of this thread to "(The Official) here comes the THTF scenario..."
That's "Thread Hits the Fan".
I thought we were talking about incidents, plans, scenarios, etc...
Man! I step away for a little while to look into options other than the connex (which seems to be very unstable when buried) and I come back and you kids are tearing up the house. You're all grounded!
Problem solved........:jester:
I added him(and others) to my ignore list. We cannot keep being side tracked by a few progressives who keep baiting people off topic.
As will I.
Here is another one:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/09/for-flash-mobsters-crowd-size-tempting-cover/
So how long do you think that it will be before the GOV gets involved with the whole "flash mob" caused by Twitter and Facebook? Does anyone think that it will come to that?
The worst part is that it appears that they start anywhere and at anytime. It makes me very nervous to take my kids places anymore. I was back in the States about 3 weeks ago on Emergency leave and my wife and I took our boys to the mall for school clothes. I was more on edge seeing the masses of Zombies there then I am back here in the Stan when out in a remote village with a very small team. My wife and I just wanted to get out of there. It was a bad situation waiting to happen.
... I step away for a little while to look into options other than the connex (which seems to be very unstable when buried)....
I'm still not sold on the buried connex idea. It seems to be a short term solution to a long term problem.
I would rather have a concrete "box" made and then covered up with earth.
I'm still not sold on the buried connex idea. It seems to be a short term solution to a long term problem.
I would rather have a concrete "box" made and then covered up with earth.
I too have decided to go away for the buried connex idea. I still might get one for random storage next to the barn.
I was looking at doing that also. I am just not sure how it would be with moisture. Maybe if you sealed it on the inside and framed it and put insulation in it would be better. I am guessing that the materials would not be the much. Except if you get a really good door, unless you made it out of wood. I was trying to find a steel door that won’t cost more ten the entire project.
I too have decided to go away for the buried connex idea. I still might get one for random storage next to the barn.
I was looking at doing that also. I am just not sure how it would be with moisture. Maybe if you sealed it on the inside and framed it and put insulation in it would be better. I am guessing that the materials would not be the much. Except if you get a really good door, unless you made it out of wood. I was trying to find a steel door that won’t cost more ten the entire project.
I'm sure there is some way to seal concrete; I would seal the inside, and use some type of moisture barrier on the outside. Burying it in sand will also help. I would also frame in the interior and possibly use spray-in foam insulation. For the door, I would have a welder fab one up out of plate steel. If I'm going to do one, I'm not going cheap on it.
I'm sure there is some way to seal concrete; I would seal the inside, and use some type of moisture barrier on the outside. Burying it in sand will also help. I would also frame in the interior and possibly use spray-in foam insulation. For the door, I would have a welder fab one up out of plate steel. If I'm going to do one, I'm not going cheap on it.
Great minds think alike. ;) That is exactly what I was thinking.
Ventilation is what I'm looking at now.
Good call. I did not even think of that.
Typical emotional response when logic escapes you. Show me the data to which you refer. Mine is the Supreme Court decision; Bush v. Gore.
In accordance with forum rules, I will not let this thread get hijacked by your Rachel Maddow talking points. This distraction is OVER.
I'm researching the reinforced cinderblock wall on a poured slab with an I-beam corrugated tin/with poured concrete roof bunker idea. I call it the rcbwoapwaibctwpcrb. So far I've been pretty pleased with what I've found. I have a hill on the property so I can excavate what I need for the 20x14x8 bunker. I plan on having a well dug and installing a hand pump for fresh water. I'll make one 5x5 room which will have a sink, shower, toilet setup like you would see in an RV. No hot water for shower, but oh well. So far it's affordable and the well is really the most expensive part. One side entry/exit and one roof entry/exit. Ventilation is what I'm looking at now.
4x4twenty6
08-09-11, 09:05
Automotive style air filter are a good option for that ventilation.
Ventilation is what I'm looking at now.
6-8" PVC pipe could be run of two sides of the shelter out about 50ft. away and the above-ground vent could be camouflaged with shrubs/rocks. An electrical fan could be used to "suck" air in one side. There are also plans on the internet for a hand-crank fan.
I would probably design mine with a chimney/ladder style entrances on each end of the shelter. The hand-pump well would be very nice, but at the very lest, a drain pipe would be needed (for possible waste, spills, flooding, etc.).
ETA: Air filters can be cut to fit the pipe to keep the dust down.
Good call. I did not even think of that.
You gotta breathe man! I was thinking about someone trying to block the vent system and I think I'll disguise my intake and exhaust at clothesline poles complete with cables and maybe even a few pairs of underwear and socks to make it even more believable. There is a house where I'm building so a clothesline would fit in nicely. Not to mention we'd have a functioning clothesline! They could be fitted with filters to keep out bugs or even something more deadly.
The Mass Civil Disobedience thead is back open. I almost think these 2 threads should be "merged" or something since they're both very similar topics.
That you for proving all of my points with that. I did not say one negative thing about you and you have to go for a personal attack. That is tactics 101 form the liberal hand book. Well played. From reading your posts I have to figure that you hacked into my bank account. Please do not do that or I will be forced to call the police. You said that you are speaking fact and not just making stuff up……….right???? Again, my point is proven.
Now this part is where it really gets weird………The Bill of Rights is good, period. So who wants it to change? I do not care who wants to change it, they would be an enemy of the people of the US if they tried. I am fine with the original way it was written. Which means get rid of all of the BS that the libs are taking away from it or trying to delete. I do not want to reform things…..They need to go back to the way they were before they were bastardised. That would make me more of a retroist, if it were a word. If something is not broken do not fix it. If you do try and fix it and it is worse then put it back the way it was. I chewed on it and it tasted like it was not well thought out. I am far from a Tea Party kind of person; they are a little too liberal for my tastes.
I too would love to come out and play but I am in Afghanistan dealing with those that do not like America and not in a nice way. Good luck at the competition.
WTF????? Is that supposed mean something to me? If YOU would read the posts I already know that. I mentioned you being in the Navy in a prior post that I made and it is on your signature line, USN '89-'92. Thank you for your service.
US Army ’90-NOW, making the world safer one dirt bag at a time.
And I am finished with this conversation and I will not reply back to anything that is not on topic.
Thanks for your service.
Also , don't think I wont answer when I'm quoted and called a "libtard" Docsherm... I've hijacked nothing. You and your compadres that chose to ignore my posts are welcome to remain silent. I don't want to debate the finer points of your ignorance. I've tried several times to put this thread back on topic but you and a few others chose to single out my posts with quotes and respond with emotionally based attacks. Then ignore me when I respond? Classy...
I'm also impressed with your rambling post. Specious reasoning at best. Hacking? Where did that come from? Changing the BoR? who said ANYTHING about that? not me...
Personal attack? Look in the mirror my friend. I never called you names like "libtard." I poked fun at your spelling once and called you out for saying that I couldn't own a gun because I'm progressive. TOTALY uncalled for statement. In that, you implied that I'm not an American like you and shouldn't enjoy the same rights. Same charge you leveled at liberals. That's called hypocrisy.
Beyond that, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. Need a hug? You respond emotionally when you have no logical argument. I still won't ignore anyone's posts because I'm not afraid of new ideas. Oh... and Dave L. thanks for the ignore as well, for whatever reason. I guess ignorance is bliss.
I'd like to spend this time on topic so I will try to move on again. Remember to keep all of your filter and mechanical access down below with you. Who want's to go topside to swap out an air filter or fix the pumps?
Fed held off on publicly announcing QE3 today, instead has decided that they will keep rates at low rates for the forseeable future.
The Committee currently anticipates that economic conditions--including low rates of resource utilization and a subdued outlook for inflation over the medium run--are likely to warrant exceptionally low levels for the federal funds rate at least through mid-2013.
The European Central Bank on the other hand jumped in at the last few minutes of the day and bought a big stack of Irish 10 year bonds to try and prop up the market.
Logicalpath
08-10-11, 00:14
WOW! Where do I start with this... I'll go in order, I guess.
Obama is a socialist as much as any one, who supports the military, fire department, police department, schools, hospitals electricity, water and roads. Socialist projects by definition, every single one.
You're right but not all the examples you cited above fall under "socialist projects". A "limited" gov't can and must have a defensive military force, a judicial system & a police force. The basis for those three is that all gov'ts have one thing in common and that is they have a monopoly on force. As such they are the only entity that CAN properly execute the function of those needs without subjugating the use of force to another entity(which would be a serious problem). The rest of your examples are not or should not be a function of limited Gov't. However, they are examples of why many people should be classified as socialists. You are correct that most Americans at this point should be classified as such, if you go back to the 1928 Socialist Party platform you'll find that 13 out of the 14 benchmarks exist within our society and both parties support them(unfortunately part of my research document on this is too large to attach however I can e-mail it to anyone interested).
That said it is vital that individuals understand the difference between what you're saying and functions that only a proper gov't can provide. Again, this is based on the use of force and I can expand on the subject if necessary but I believe it should be self-explanatory.
"No matter what you think you can not be a progressive that supports gun rights and freedom" Like I mentioned in another post. the Bill of Rights is not an A la Carte document. It's all or nothing. Webster's defines progressive as: "favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters..." By this definition, every member of the Tea Party is a progressive. Chew on that one for a while.
You're context dropping to a large degree, while some dictionaries may define "progressive" in that manner, it is not neccesarily what progressive means(the classical definition was: of a group, person, or idea; favoring or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas: a relatively progressive governor.). This speaks to something that is occurring within our society where language is being robbed for lack of a better word. Where "revenue" is replacing the word "taxes", "war" replaced by "kinetic action" & "proposed spending increases" replaced with "spending cuts". I could go on but I'll stop short only to say that this problem is only being compounded by companies like Webster adopting a policy that they will change the definitions of words from their classical meaning to "how society uses them currently". This is a perversion and is a serious problem with anyone in the mainstream understanding what is being said, explained, etc.
At any rate the reason I believe you're context dropping is that you're ignoring what the origin of the term "progressive" was with regard to the given context in terms of politics. This term only came into the mainstream once the term "liberals" had gained widespread disdain. As a result there was a real need to separate themselves from it and as a result they adopted the term progressive. I've included an interesting excerpt from "Capitalism The Unknown Ideal" which speaks to some of my post:
It is certainly irrational to use the “new” as a standard of value, to believe that an idea or a policy is good merely because it is new. But it is much more preposterously irrational to use the “old” as a standard of value, to claim that an idea or a policy is good merely because it is ancient. The “liberals” are constantly asserting that they represent the future, that they are “new,” “progressive,” “forward-looking,” etc.—and they denounce the “conservatives” as old-fashioned representatives of a dead past. The “conservatives” concede it, and thus help the “liberals” to propagate one of today’s most grotesque inversions: collectivism, the ancient, frozen, status society, is offered to us in the name of progress—while capitalism, the only free, dynamic, creative society ever devised, is defended in the name of stagnation.
I'm with you 99.9% Logicalpath. I will admit to simplifying my answer above to maintain brevity. Your assessment is spot on, with the exception of context dropping (someone's read their Ayn Rand). I chose the classical definition of progressive, that was presented (there were three and the one I used was the most applicable,)" to point out precisely what you said. That the glossary of political spin and the common language of citizens like us, are not synonymous. I may not have been as clear as I'd hoped I was, My mistake.
Progressive–adjective (dictionary.com)
1.
favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters: a progressive mayor.
2.
making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.: a progressive community.
3.
characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.
I listed a number of government programs that are based in socialism to illustrate a point. Clarification is necessary though, and I really do appreciate your input! PM me. I'd like to read your paper.
The 0.01% would be in some of the other programs I listed. Roads, emergency services, electricity and water. These institutions also function much more efficiently without applying a profit model. But that's a discussion for a different thread.
You gotta breathe man! I was thinking about someone trying to block the vent system and I think I'll disguise my intake and exhaust at clothesline poles complete with cables and maybe even a few pairs of underwear and socks to make it even more believable. There is a house where I'm building so a clothesline would fit in nicely. Not to mention we'd have a functioning clothesline! They could be fitted with filters to keep out bugs or even something more deadly.
That is a great idea.....Who does not have a clothes line in the country? That would be very easy to make and you would have 2 separate ventilation systems.
Logicalpath
08-10-11, 18:56
I'm with you 99.9% Logicalpath. I will admit to simplifying my answer above to maintain brevity. Your assessment is spot on, with the exception of context dropping (someone's read their Ayn Rand). I chose the classical definition of progressive, that was presented (there were three and the one I used was the most applicable,)" to point out precisely what you said. That the glossary of political spin and the common language of citizens like us, are not synonymous. I may not have been as clear as I'd hoped I was, My mistake.
Progressive–adjective (dictionary.com)
1.
favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters: a progressive mayor.
2.
making progress toward better conditions; employing or advocating more enlightened or liberal ideas, new or experimental methods, etc.: a progressive community.
3.
characterized by such progress, or by continuous improvement.
Understood, I just think it's important to clearly define what one is referring to, otherwise it can be misleading. In particular when it comes to concepts/terms that have been co-opted to distort it's original meaning. I.E. the origin of the term liberal is the word liberty and that is not something I would subscribe to democrats, socialists, progressives or communists.
I listed a number of government programs that are based in socialism to illustrate a point. Clarification is necessary though, and I really do appreciate your input! PM me. I'd like to read your paper.
The 0.01% would be in some of the other programs I listed. Roads, emergency services, electricity and water. These institutions also function much more efficiently without applying a profit model. But that's a discussion for a different thread.
I wouldn't necessarily call it a "paper", although it was originally published on a piece of paper. It's simply a newspaper article(6pgs) from 1928(a propaganda piece) published by the Socialist party explaining what there objectives were. And then I have a sheet(1pg) with the bullet points of what those objectives are, currently 13 out of the 14 are Gov't programs today. As far as I am concerned that means the socialist's won, in particular when you consider the fact that most "conservatives" support those same programs without realizing the contradiction.
That is something which could command it's own thread, however I would like to say that I am of the opinion that all of the examples you provided above belong in the private sector. If force is not involved then it is not a Gov't matter...:eek:
Guys, appreciate your point of view however you are blowing up the emails of those of us who have subscribed to the thread based on the topic and subject matter.
Mods, can we create another thread in the DP&P subforum that allows for the discussion of politics. This will help the rest of us stay on topic.
Thanks everyone!
QuietShootr
08-11-11, 13:57
Thank you - Christ on a pony. It's a good thing I'm not a moderator.
progressive: government making progress in taking over all aspects of our lives.
Almost a week ago the country was hit with a downgrade by the S&P. While we wait for Moody's and Fitch to follow suit, we get to watch as Europe (Italy, Spain, Greece, Ireland, Iceland and who else) starts to encounter real difficulty. In another thread here some of you mentioned topping off the tanks and increasing the rate at which you are picking up supplies and gear.
What does everyone see as a timeline for the real adjustment to begin? Months, years, decades?
What do you think will be the next shoe to drop and how will we be affected?
4x4twenty6
08-11-11, 16:45
John W:
The Gov't will not work for the people like it should until we get rid of the pocket lining and corruption of congressman and senators.
The people of this country dont educate themselves so they, being ignorant as they are, look up to people who are equally ignorant but buy into the BS being fed to them from people who give them money.
A perfect example is the preachers who back obama and then go back and spout their bs during church services to their uneducated constituents.
The debt deal these 12 individuals come up with will not really solve anything because they are not willing to make the cuts to social programs, free up money in the tax code, and spur business because of all the gov't red tape. Look at the oil drilling issue in the gulf and around our country. No reason that cant be ramped up.
Refer to the presidents relationship with george soros and PetroBras.
The cut in defense could spur attacks.
The uk riots are going to inspire the idiot ****ing youth of today. We are already seeing it in small forms in the flash mobs.
I dont see things getting any better and people wont acknowledge how bad things are until it comes crashing down. People are too preoccupied with the wrong shit and are not interested in educating themselves to fix the problem
Look at the voter turn out percentage for an example.
Very little will happen here, other than some localized violence, until the police paychecks start bouncing. An all out economic collapse is not enough to cause the US to fail. For the State & local's to fall that far behind, we'd have to have a compounding factor. A natural disaster for example. I've been looking into the solar storms, referred to by 4x4.
Solar Cycle 24 (current) began 08 Jan, 2008 after an unprecedented period of spotless activity during cycle 23. This would make us expect a higher level of activity this cycle. The spots form the ejecta that causes the solar storms. I've found a couple of interesting things...
Based on the accounts of from the 1859 storm, the levels were high enough to create havoc throughout the unregulated, primitive power system of the day. The same storm today wouldn't have the same effect on our current system. They didn't have sophisticated transformers in Dodge City...
Today, I think a Faraday Cage is over doing it a bit, an industrial strength surge protector will do just fine for a Solar Storm. A solar storm isn't the same as a thermonuclear EMP. The storm causes a power surge through the lines, as opposed to a nuclear EM burst, which is highly concentrated (resulting in the fried circuit boards.) The storms flow over the earth's magnetosphere over a period of hours. You'll need a separate, protected power source to maintain operating electronics during the event. Storing your back up electronics unplugged, sans batteries, will be plenty of protection. Even in the 1859 storm, the Western Union operators just grabbed replacements off the shelf and restrung the wires.
Still trying to find comms for post SHTF. I can't imagine the landline or celly's working and probably wouldn't use them anyway. I'd like a decent base and a few handhelds with real range. Camo the antenna from the bunker somehow so patrols or hides could communicate with the bunker or each other. And more importantly if the SH'sTF while my wife is 20 miles away at her office It'd be nice to be able to reach her.
The Gov't will not work for the people like it should until we get rid of the pocket lining and corruption of congressman and senators.
Hopefully the voters that turn out will be fed up enough to do something about our "fed" problem. However, the last 20+ years have shown that its very hard to make large changes outside of a "oil and terry-ism" threat. Only time will tell.
The cut in defense could spur attacks.
Possible, but I think we are doing a good enough number on ourselves that no one (read China & Russia) will need to assist. The cuts in defense spending might be a good thing, pull the defense industry monkey off our backs a bit and bring the guys home to secure our country. We don't need to be world police, its time for others to step up and play ball.
The uk riots are going to inspire the idiot ****ing youth of today. We are already seeing it in small forms in the flash mobs.
Here we go. If massive cuts are made to the entitlement spending and we will see a TON of "angry, hungry, and unemployed" action. History does show that people typically bang up there own neighborhoods before they take it to Helicopter Ben or the Mid/upper class areas, so signs of this will be around long before poop hits the scooper.
I dont see things getting any better and people wont acknowledge how bad things are until it comes crashing down. People are too preoccupied with the wrong shit and are not interested in educating themselves to fix the problem
Look at the voter turn out percentage for an example.
We have been raised that failure is not an option (good) and more recently, that the government will take care of you (bad). Lots of people are putting there heads in the sand due to disinformation campaigns from mainstream media/market cheerleading, government sources, and the fellow sheep.
I think its a simple case of we as a country have our heads up our asses and our situation won't be acknowledged until it bites us in the ass. Then and only then will we wake up and realize because its in front of our faces. Sad.
Very little will happen here, other than some localized violence, until the police paychecks start bouncing. An all out economic collapse is not enough to cause the US to fail.
The government has shown its determination to keep printing money. The local gov's might start having issues, but at that point, we could here talk of federalizing the police force in the name of restructuring local gov debt. This would enable them to print as much money as it takes to keep the hired help on the books and keep the show going.
For the State & local's to fall that far behind, we'd have to have a compounding factor. A natural disaster for example. I've been looking into the solar storms, referred to by 4x4.
Solar Cycle 24 (current) began 08 Jan, 2008 after an unprecedented period of spotless activity during cycle 23. This would make us expect a higher level of activity this cycle.
This is an interesting point of view and I would agree that a compound problem would be a place we experience difficulty that may include a surplus of fans and lots of poop. I will look into solar storms. Thanks!
Storing your back up electronics unplugged, sans batteries, will be plenty of protection. Even in the 1859 storm, the Western Union operators just grabbed replacements off the shelf and restrung the wires.
While our electronics are more advanced, they are not all protected from abnormal occurrences. Nowadays, we work in a just in time system, so those off the shelf replacements are weeks or months down the road. Could be trouble here as well.
Still trying to find comms for post SHTF. I can't imagine the landline or celly's working and probably wouldn't use them anyway. I'd like a decent base and a few handhelds with real range. Camo the antenna from the bunker somehow so patrols or hides could communicate with the bunker or each other. And more importantly if the SH'sTF while my wife is 20 miles away at her office It'd be nice to be able to reach her.
Ham radios are the way to go. You and your wife can earn your amatuer radio licenses with little more than 2 days worth of studying and a positive attitude. There is no morse code req. anymore and there are tons of free guides out there to help you study the material in a need-to-know fashion.
I highly recommend this book Technician Class 2010-2014 by Gordon West (http://www.amazon.com/Technician-Class-2010-2014-Gordon-West/dp/0945053622). Its built around the test and designed for you to succeed. I passed on my first try.
Once you have your ham liscense its time to get started. A nice dual band hand held radio is a good start for you and your wife. You can carry them on backpack trips, road trips or general use in your cars, and on your chest rigs if you have them. A base station at your home will provide more power and range but should be considered after you have your handheld set up and ready. If and when the repeaters lose power you can always operate in simplex mode.
It may seem daunting but its really not. Try calling up or emailing your local amateur radio club and asking if they provide test services. Chances are they do and it will give you a great opportunity to ask questions about gear, etc.
Yaseu, Icom and Kenwood all make great equipment. Find more info on specific units at eHam.net.
Let me know if you have any further questions about comms and I'll try to help.
Good call on the FCC license, I've had mine since '89. Be cautious with the radios. Signals can be tracked and big antennas are hard to hide. I would use hardline for intra-bunker coms. No chance of intercept. Dig your lines 8" down and cover. Get some old crank phones and place them at your overwatch, water supply, extraction route and emergency supply cache. Save your radios for tactical excursions away from your base (food, water, supplies, etc.) Batteries will be scarce and power will be intermittent.
Just found this: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/12/us-britain-solar-idUSTRE77B3OX20110812
4x4twenty6
08-13-11, 17:20
So, after hurricane gustav i had a bunch of stuff for me to survive for a few weeks while on duty cuz i didnt want to rest solely on my dept.
Extra clothes and gear i have already stored in rubbermaid bins.
I still need: Food, Water and purification, more first aid, more gas cans, always need more ammo! i have a few ammo cans w/ a fair ammount of 9mm rds and 12 ga rds. I need more .223 and .270 for my rifles. Need more survival gear. I have a handheld gps but that may or may not be useful.
As for comms i am going to hold on to my police radio (motorola 5000). If it is truly bad im ripping out whatever i can out that patrol car also. haha
Any thing i am missing or if i am off base somewhere please lemme know. I take criticism well and wont be offended by any comments. I just wanna be ready.
So, after hurricane gustav i had a bunch of stuff for me to survive for a few weeks while on duty cuz i didnt want to rest solely on my dept.
Extra clothes and gear i have already stored in rubbermaid bins.
I still need: Food, Water and purification, more first aid, more gas cans, always need more ammo! i have a few ammo cans w/ a fair ammount of 9mm rds and 12 ga rds. I need more .223 and .270 for my rifles. Need more survival gear. I have a handheld gps but that may or may not be useful.
As for comms i am going to hold on to my police radio (motorola 5000). If it is truly bad im ripping out whatever i can out that patrol car also. haha
Any thing i am missing or if i am off base somewhere please lemme know. I take criticism well and wont be offended by any comments. I just wanna be ready.
Lots of things you are going to need multiples of for each person in your family/group like GOOD flashlights, rechargeable batteries, solar charger for them, cooking gear like stove & fuel for it, sanitary & hygiene supplies etc. Just think about what you would pack for a week long camping trip with no RV & no store to stock up on during that week.
4x4twenty6
08-13-11, 21:34
a1fabweld:
Good way to put it. I have a couple dutch ovens so i got some way to cook over fire. I love them things. A gumbo dont taste any better than if its cooked in a well seasoned dutch oven.
I love to cook so i am good on the supplies for that.
I usually buy batteries in bulk so i am good on that. I love that surefire sells their batteries for so cheap in bulk.
I have a shit ton of flashlights too.
I am seriously lacking in the sanitary/ hygeine dept. need to stock up on some sams style 50 pack of bars of soap.
I have 2 power converters to run a variety of things. a small one and a bigger one to run off the battery for higher watt stuff.
I saw some pretty decent survival pack at academy with a list of various stuff. i wanna get one for the wife to keep in car in case she gets caught in a bad snow storm.
4x4;
A self-packed first aid kit based on stuff you know how to use and otc meds.
For otc's think Advil\Excedrin (or both), Imodium,and any other over the meds that you can see you or your family needing during a traditional flu season. Someone mentioned here in another thread that the .gov ran a field test for the .mil and discovered most meds have a much longer shelf life than is listed on the bottles (i think 10 years?). Lots of these meds are available under store brands and can be had for extremely cheap at wally world.
I just picked up some wally world store brand Excedrin, a 250 ct bottle ran me about 4 bucks where the name brand ran 14.xx. 72 tablets of Imodium ran me about 3 bucks. Good stuff to have extras of.
4x4, I try to standardize as much as I can. I buy everything in 4's for each in my family. Some things I buy extra parts for such as flashlight bulbs, gun parts, etc. Pistols, rifles, mags, ammo, pouches, knives, just about everything I can standardize, I do. Makes things much more simple. I switched all my electronics to AA or 9V batteries. If for some reason there is no power, I have solar chargers to make sure we always have light. Buy bulk baking soda & salt as they have so many practical uses.
I've been stocking up on bulk rice, wheat, beans, canned goods, and food grade, air tight 5gal buckets. Spices are another thing to buy in bulk. A bland meal can be made bearable with some seasoning. I'm making my own long shelf life food for much less than you can buy it for prepackaged. For about $500, I've got at least a years worth of food for my family. This doesn't include gardening & taking small game on a regular basis to supplement my stash. Make sure the wife has work clothes/boots because she's going to be doing more laborous type work. Just a few suggestions off the top of my head.
4x4;
A self-packed first aid kit based on stuff you know how to use and otc meds.
For otc's think Advil\Excedrin (or both), Imodium,and any other over the meds that you can see you or your family needing during a traditional flu season. Someone mentioned here in another thread that the .gov ran a field test for the .mil and discovered most meds have a much longer shelf life than is listed on the bottles (i think 10 years?). Lots of these meds are available under store brands and can be had for extremely cheap at wally world.
I just picked up some wally world store brand Excedrin, a 250 ct bottle ran me about 4 bucks where the name brand ran 14.xx. 72 tablets of Imodium ran me about 3 bucks. Good stuff to have extras of.
You would be surprised how much some OTC Meds will help out in a SHTF situation. Something small can be stopped before it gets out of control. Just make sure that you read up on everything that you get. It would be worthwhile to get a Nursing Drug book from most large book stores. They are about $25-$30 and well worth it.
PA PATRIOT
08-21-11, 19:51
Dollar stores are good places to find OTC items and since these types of stores turn a good amount of inventory everything is fresh from disturbers. All the items I picked up for the BOB's med kits had long Expiration dates so they are GTG for years to come.
I don't know that dollar stores are the best idea. Their stock is not the freshest. I wouldn't trust meds from there. Pay a little extra for your health. I picked up a couple of IFAK's from North American Rescue and pimped them out with boo-boo kits and prescriptions. The medic kit is bigger, I keep the smaller, maritime assault IFAK in my get-home bag.
These have everything you'd ever need in a SHTF scenario. http://www.narescue.com/Medic__Leg_Rig_Kit_(CCRK)-CN31912CC814EB.html?BC=3000250D2301
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h376/DocMakerAR/IMG_0300.jpg
PA PATRIOT
08-21-11, 22:41
I don't know that dollar stores are the best idea. Their stock is not the freshest. I wouldn't trust meds from there. Pay a little extra for your health. I picked up a couple of IFAK's from North American Rescue and pimped them out with boo-boo kits and prescriptions. The medic kit is bigger, I keep the smaller, maritime assault IFAK in my get-home bag.
These have everything you'd ever need in a SHTF scenario. http://www.narescue.com/Medic__Leg_Rig_Kit_(CCRK)-CN31912CC814EB.html?BC=3000250D2301
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h376/DocMakerAR/IMG_0300.jpg
I guess it depends on were your located and the amount of business that dollar store happens to do. I always look at every expiration date on anything I buy and I can tell you the dates are better then 2.5 to 3 years down the road.
I live in Philadelphia and the store I visit is always busy and they have a well stocked section but I do concede that a smaller less busy stores may have older stock.
But shopping at my dollar store I was able to build some nice BOB basic first aid kits that the average child or young adult would be able to use. Now for someone with a bit of training better kits as the one you posted are very nice to have but my recommendation was based on basic items and common OTC meds.
I'm with you... I just think about the occasional reports of counterfeit Tylenol from China. That's the stuff that invariably ends up in the dollar stores. In my experience, I would prefer that my OTC meds have a chain of custody. Money is tight these days but I'd still feel fine about spending an extra couple of bucks for peace of mind.
How about an earthquake to start off the SHTF scenario?! 6.0 hits Mineral VA today. Fed buildings in DC and the Pentagon evaq'd. No reports of injuries or deaths.
Let's see where this goes...
4x4twenty6
08-24-11, 18:08
Not only that but the hurricane that could potentially do some serious damage to the east coast.
Some of the scenarios i have seen about new york hurricane landfall looks really bad. This one is supposed to post hit new york at category 2 level the last time i saw the forecast. Could be really bad.
4x4twenty6
09-22-11, 12:12
[From "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen]
CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS AS PER 1963
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.
4x4;
A self-packed first aid kit based on stuff you know how to use and otc meds.
For otc's think Advil\Excedrin (or both), Imodium,and any other over the meds that you can see you or your family needing during a traditional flu season. Someone mentioned here in another thread that the .gov ran a field test for the .mil and discovered most meds have a much longer shelf life than is listed on the bottles (i think 10 years?). Lots of these meds are available under store brands and can be had for extremely cheap at wally world.
I just picked up some wally world store brand Excedrin, a 250 ct bottle ran me about 4 bucks where the name brand ran 14.xx. 72 tablets of Imodium ran me about 3 bucks. Good stuff to have extras of.
Don't forget anti diarrheals for your bob/med kit. If you're on the go and ran out of water. Your next sip might not be as clean/purified/boiled as needed. Don't want to make a bad situation worse.
30 cal slut
12-08-11, 07:42
Thought I'd park this here.
Good reading - comments from a banker in Europe.
Punch line:
Plan Z: buy gold, spam and guns.
:sarcastic:
Article here:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/ubs-advice-what-buy-case-eurozone-breakup-precious-metals-tinned-goods-and-small-calibre-weapon
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I'm still researching the validity of this, but Ive recently heard that animal antibiotics are exactly the same as human antibiotics. Now Im not suggesting you go buy them and start self medicating anytime you're sick - but if they are safe to use it's an easy way to stock up on some antibiotics...
I'll post any updates I find about the possibility of this!
alienb1212
12-23-11, 22:25
I'm still researching the validity of this, but Ive recently heard that animal antibiotics are exactly the same as human antibiotics. Now Im not suggesting you go buy them and start self medicating anytime you're sick - but if they are safe to use it's an easy way to stock up on some antibiotics...
I'll post any updates I find about the possibility of this!
Anything further on this? My antibiotics supply is just a jar of expired Doxycyclene that I never took for Malaria. Would love to stock up on something that might actually work..
cowpuncher
12-26-11, 19:23
Anything further on this? My antibiotics supply is just a jar of expired Doxycyclene that I never took for Malaria. Would love to stock up on something that might actually work..
Cowboying throughout the West, I've used sulfa and Penicillin G from doctoring cattle to doctor myself. I know a LOT of guys who have used vet meds on themselves (including a guy who used lidocaine from doing C-Sections on cattle to give himself a local while stitching up a severed finger!!!!!:eek::eek::eek:
I've also discussed the topic with pharmacists, doctors, nurses, and vets. Every vet I know (including my current fire chief's wife!) self-doctors with vet meds.
Interesting link for further reading:
http://doctorbonesandamyshow.blogspot.com
So apparently it's Nikes and Jordans fault
Quanell X and others are asking Nike and Michael Jordan to lower the price of the shoes and make them accessible to everyone.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45810143/ns/local_news-houston_tx/t/minister-activist-call-nike-michael-jordan-end-shoe-craze/
Wait til they're hungry.....
Perhaps Nike should just give them away so those folks wouldn't have to spend the money that the gov't gives them...Is Q-Ten now taking the position that people have a right to have certain shoes? When does his bullshit end?
Seriously? That is you advice?
Basically his advice was to smuggle drugs in from Mexico.
Brilliant.
alienb1212
03-13-12, 07:31
Some very bad advise was here
Uhm, somehow I don't think I'll be following this advice.
Any LEGAL means of obtaining antibiotics would be fantastic...
I'd like to hear your guys thoughts on this "Obama executive order" article: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=233977
alienb1212
03-19-12, 06:04
things like this make me happy I am exiting the military. I don't want to be on the wrong side of things like this....
I'd like to hear your guys thoughts on this "Obama executive order" article: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=233977
Holy God, what is happening to us..............
PA PATRIOT
03-19-12, 15:45
I'd like to hear your guys thoughts on this "Obama executive order" article: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=233977
This is nothing new and just a re-authoritarian of executive orders that the Bush and Clinton Administrations also had.
If WWIII or some other Hugh national catastrophe hits this order would be used in defense or relief of the nation.
This is nothing new and just a re-authoritarian of executive orders that the Bush and Clinton Administrations also had.
If WWIII or some other Hugh national catastrophe hits this order would be used in defense or relief of the nation.
Because fema worked so well in new orleans.
I will agree this order is not as terrible as some people are proclaiming, but it follows a long string of questionable legislature such as the ndaa, sopa pippa, and the newly planned nsa supercenter.
"I'm from the government and im here to help"
What's that saying? Just because your paranoid does'nt mean they're not out to get you. I'm no conspiracy buff by any stretch. But it always pays to be prepared. Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it. Some common sense and little history will tell you all you need to know about how quickly things can go south. Just sayin'. If you've ever seen someone in line at a fast food place freak the F**K out over having to wait for fries, imagine how they would act without power or water or gas. A person is smart, people are dumb panicky animals.
do a simple search for REX 84. I didn't link it here on purpose. There is increased......chatter.....about low level maintenance and food stock piling at certain locations. Anyone else seeing that MRE's are now on back order in many locations?
update: Alienb1212 provided site specific information showing maps supposedly ID'g the FEMA site, were false. This rumor i'll be glad to lay to rest. Lets hope it stays dead. Thanks Alienb1212
alienb1212
04-12-12, 17:52
do a simple search for REX 84. I didn't link it here on purpose. There is increased......chatter.....about low level maintenance and food stock piling at certain locations. Anyone else seeing that MRE's are now on back order in many locations?
No disrespect intended, but things like this are easy to say, do you have any sources or personal testimony?
No disrespect intended, but things like this are easy to say, do you have any sources or personal testimony? lol no prob. The further I searched the more information there is. Personally I have not been to one of those locations though there are a couple listed near me on the maps. When i was following deeper into the information is when I started reading info from people who had been to some of the locations. No, I didn't save the links to those sites but they are easy to search.
tulsachange.wordpress (http://tulsachange.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/97/)
dprogram.net-fema-camps (http://dprogram.net/2011/12/09/map-of-active-u-s-fema-camps-is-there-one-near-you/)
this is information you can evaluate how ever you choose, or search more thoroughly. On this one I'll be exceedingly happy if someone can give me information to the contrary
alienb1212
04-13-12, 07:52
lol no prob. The further I searched the more information there is. Personally I have not been to one of those locations though there are a couple listed near me on the maps. When i was following deeper into the information is when I started reading info from people who had been to some of the locations. No, I didn't save the links to those sites but they are easy to search.
tulsachange.wordpress (http://tulsachange.wordpress.com/2011/07/13/97/)
dprogram.net-fema-camps (http://dprogram.net/2011/12/09/map-of-active-u-s-fema-camps-is-there-one-near-you/)
this is information you can evaluate how ever you choose, or search more thoroughly. On this one I'll be exceedingly happy if someone can give me information to the contrary
I can. I am stationed at Fort Drum, and have been to Holden, Maine where two of the supposed FEMA camps are. Neither exist.
Drum does have some large, empty motor pools that could make a hasty detention center, has rail systems, and has sufficient manpower to make it all happen....but the same can be said for any large enclosed structure. The areas at drum could handle a few thousand people, tops. I don't think hardly any of the Army personnel here would follow orders to detain U.S. citizens on a large scale, regardless of the reasoning. That's just my opinion. However, I can confirm that neither the Holden, ME or FT Drum, NY detention centers exist.
thanks for the confirmation. Glad to know this was a false alert.
I used to believe that the kickoff would be currency/debt based but John Q Taxpayer has no clue what's behind the curtain and most will refuse to believe the truth when you try to tell them. It still very well could be once the smoke and mirrors no longer work so that a new, possibly electronic, one world currency can be ushered in.
Here's a decent video that explains The Fed and the fractional reserve banking system that we currently have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWH5TlbloU&feature=player_embedded
And an easier way to explain debt to any sheeple you want to wake up since it has pictures to keep their attention :rolleyes:
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_debt/us_debt.html
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/world_debt/world_debt.html
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/derivatives/bank_exposure.html
alienb1212
04-22-12, 16:23
I used to believe that the kickoff would be currency/debt based but John Q Taxpayer has no clue what's behind the curtain and most will refuse to believe the truth when you try to tell them. It still very well could be once the smoke and mirrors no longer work so that a new, possibly electronic, one world currency can be ushered in.
Here's a decent video that explains The Fed and the fractional reserve banking system that we currently have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPWH5TlbloU&feature=player_embedded
And an easier way to explain debt to any sheeple you want to wake up since it has pictures to keep their attention :rolleyes:
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/us_debt/us_debt.html
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/world_debt/world_debt.html
http://demonocracy.info/infographics/usa/derivatives/bank_exposure.html
That first video is exactly what I needed to show my (rather simple) family why I feel we're doomed to an eventual collapse.
alienb1212
04-26-12, 20:26
CISPA passed the House.
I have totally lost faith in our "Government"
Didn't know where to put this exactly, but I figure here is as good as any.
Tampa officials trying to ban CCW when the RNC comes to town...
http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2012/apr/22/memeto3-tampa-officials-still-angling-for-rnc-gun--ar-395188/
CISPA passed the House.
I have totally lost faith in our "Government"
Didn't know where to put this exactly, but I figure here is as good as any.
Tampa officials trying to ban CCW when the RNC comes to town...
http://www2.tbo.com/news/politics/2012/apr/22/memeto3-tampa-officials-still-angling-for-rnc-gun--ar-395188/
If NDAA wasn't enough, 2 more examples for those gun store commandos that are die hard republicans.
This is an interesting read about the economic collapse. What do you guys think?
http://hipcrime.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/what-if-collapse-happened-and-nobody.html
This is an interesting read about the economic collapse. What do you guys think?
http://hipcrime.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/what-if-collapse-happened-and-nobody.html
Saw that a couple months ago. One could arguably make a case for each stage. Most are in denial about the future of this once great nation. Cheap energy allowed us to grow and created a strong economy and middle class. Environmentalists have been co-opted y socialists. Our monetary system is in complete control of a private central bank against our founding fathers will. They knew their history when it came to central banks and the destruction they cause to a nations currency and economy.
Public schools, err I mean, government reeducation centers have dumbed down the public and instilled a government knows best belief system. How many times have you heard "the government needs to do something" a lot of times their intended or unintended consequences are the problem. More intervention is not a solution. Washington does more harm than good. If we were a true free market, they would step back and let the economy reach its natural equilibriam. Housing, student loans and health care are three examples. And the mutual masterbation that goes between lobbyists, corporations and their former employees that are in government. Hank Paulson is one example. Warren Buffett and the keystone pipeline is another.
Co-opted people like Alan Greenspan is another. Read some of his statements made before being a fed chairman.
Consumerism, not living within ones means has led to personal downfalls economically and morally. If you bought a big house instead of health insurance that's your problem not mine. If you really couldn't afford it you would truly qualify for a government and private subsidized plan.
Welfare, food stamps and unemployment. Public unions, public being the keyword. Police and firefighters being the exception. Enough said.
To truly make it out of the hole the baby boomers put us in means sucking it up and living like our grandparents and great grandparents standard of living for awhile. The sheeple are too preoccupied and comfortable with the current lifestyle that has been financed with massive debt to see what's staring us in the face. Social security, Medicare, derivatives, massive amounts of debt. Our currency that will one day lose the reserve status and that's when our chickens will come home to roost if nothing else pops in the meantime.
Some other threats to consider:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2011/04/09/radiation-detected-in-drinking-water-in-13-more-us-cities-cesium-137-in-vermont-milk/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAzrWJXBIM0#!
http://www.adn.com/2012/05/02/2449010/tsunami-debris-onslaught-called.html#storylink=cpy
http://enenews.com/paper-nuclear-expert-warns-even-if-no-4-spent-fuel-pool-survives-another-major-quake-failure-of-jury-rigged-inadequate-piping-installed-after-disaster-could-put-cooling-system-out-of-commission
http://www.bhamweekly.com/birmingham/article-3000-new-worries-at-fukushima.html
I think if we went through another Great Depression, there would be too much public outcry for "government solutions", not for the resolution of our current government problem. I think the only way for people to learn will be if things are worse than that...sadly. I'm not sure how much worse, but it will have to be very, very bad to teach the people a lesson about what "we're from the Government and we're here to help" really means.
Pro-tip:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/389365_10100180508850855_24409139_39890053_1235520701_n.jpg
Pro-tip:
:lol: I really wanna see a movie where they use the treadmill defense. Why would one even board up the windows with an ingenius plan like that!
Two recent news items:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/big-reset-2012-and-2013-will-usher-end-scariest-presentation-ever
and
http://www.businessinsider.com/another-housing-collapse-is-coming-soon-2012-5
Radiation from Fukushima hits the streets of L.A.
http://www.activistpost.com/2012/06/fukushima-radiation-hitting-streets-of.html
@jay
The BI article talking about HELOC setting off the shadow inventory collapse was very interesting. We have all been hearing about Shadow Inventory but keep wondering what will be the tipping point..maybe it will be heloc in the next 12-36 months. Glad im renting!
VooDoo6Actual
06-11-12, 20:01
redacted.
Two recent news items:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/big-reset-2012-and-2013-will-usher-end-scariest-presentation-ever
and
http://www.businessinsider.com/another-housing-collapse-is-coming-soon-2012-5
The BI article is great! Very smart find jay.
VooDoo6Actual
06-26-12, 10:55
redacted.
These people bought/accumulated debt, into a bubble, just like those that bought $1700 6920s in 2008-2009.
After what happened with Fukushima, it would seem possible that any major natural disaster in the US could result in nuclear plant meltdowns in the vicinity of the natural disaster and its area of effect.
In light of the airborne spread of radiation in such circumstances, which would invalidate the benefit of "run for the hills" bug-out location prepping since radiation goes/gets everywhere due to shifting wind patterns and would cover everything including gardens, fauna, and water sources, it would seem hardcore prepping may actually be limited in effectiveness to scenarios of human-centric "disasters" such as economic collapse, widespread riots, civil unrest, or general anarchy.
And given those scenarios can often happen as the result of a major natural disaster, it would seem that the concept of prepping is of less value than perhaps previously thought.
Still, it's nice to be prepared. Peace of mind and all.
Moose-Knuckle
07-10-12, 01:12
Roubini: My 'Perfect Storm' Scenario Is Unfolding Now
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48116835
VooDoo6Actual
07-17-12, 21:13
11 International Agreements That Are Nails In The Coffin Of The Petrodollar
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/11-international-agreements-that-are-nails-in-the-coffin-of-the-petrodollar
# 12 LOL
http://www.rt.com/news/iran-india-gold-oil-543/
#13 LOL
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/138357/turkey-iran-trade-revolves-around-gold-and-oil.html
stay tuned more to come...
Moose-Knuckle
07-18-12, 02:22
Midwest drought shows little sign of abating
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/17/us-usa-drought-idUSBRE86F1D420120717
Widespread drought threatens U.S. crops
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-drought-20120717,0,2272014.story
Guess who's the culprit? These "Troubled Youth" make it hard to ignore & dismiss stereotypes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-X7CRLqO-Jo
http://www.kgw.com/news/Flash-mob-targets-Troutdale-Albertsons-store-159463245.html
Seems like a growing trend lately.
alienb1212
07-19-12, 07:00
Guess who's the culprit? These "Troubled Youth" make it hard to ignore & dismiss stereotypes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-X7CRLqO-Jo
http://www.kgw.com/news/Flash-mob-targets-Troutdale-Albertsons-store-159463245.html
Seems like a growing trend lately.
But nobody will report negatively or even mention they're a minority for fear of being "racist"...
VooDoo6Actual
07-23-12, 11:26
redacted.
If you haven't read selco's blog on shtfschool.com you are missing some great info
If you haven't read selco's blog on shtfschool.com you are missing some great info
Thread already about it on Page 2 of this forum.
I'm late to the party again.
Moose-Knuckle
08-03-12, 00:24
Half of U.S. counties now considered disaster areas
http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/half-of-u-s-counties-now-considered-disaster-areas-1.3876961
VooDoo6Actual
08-04-12, 15:12
redacted.
Check this movie preview out: http://www.graystatemovie.com/. Chilling.
If this has been posted already, my apologies.
VooDoo6Actual
08-10-12, 11:39
redacted.
I think the Gray State, or Orwell's 1984, is pretty much the goal of global bankers. They want the masses to be indentured servants, highly monitored and controlled. Our "jobs" will be to work, borrow, consume, pay interest, and die penniless. Maybe that is why the elites are so ecstatic over everything China. China represents the most ideal situation for globalists: tightly controlled masses allowed just enough freedom to become consumers but not enough to be obstacles to the State. Soviet Union was rev 1.0, Modern China is Rev 2.0. Europe is approaching 3.0 status and the US may be rev 3.1 of the gray state.
VooDoo6Actual
08-12-12, 09:28
redacted.
http://moneymorning.com/ob/jim-rogers-issues-dramatic-warning/
Chris Martenson is a very smart man and his books make even the most complex things easy to understand.
Moose-Knuckle
08-21-12, 20:23
Drought’s impact on food prices could worsen hunger in America
More than 18 percent of Americans say there have been times this year when they couldn't afford the food they needed, according to a Gallup poll released on Tuesday.
That plight could grow because of the country's worst drought in half a century. The U.S. Department of Agriculture warned last month that Americans should expect to pay 3 to 5 percent more for groceries next year because of the drought.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/drought-impact-food-prices-could-worsen-hunger-america-130019526.html
VooDoo6Actual
08-30-12, 12:12
redacted.
In the event of a global financial collapse or other North American SHTF situation, the government of Mexico will promptly collapse and there will be a huge wave of Mexican refugees heading north to find what they cannot get in Mexico. Or at least I think so. How are we going to handle that? We don't even keep the border closed on a good day when our government is supposedly in control, so I imagine the border being completely open in a SHTF situation.
alienb1212
08-31-12, 09:28
They, and the completely unchecked cartels who will probably be the only organized and powerful group in Mexico and the american southwest, are why I will never consider making my retreat property anywhere but the northern states.
As you said, we don't even control the violence, "immigration" and drug/human trade NOW....why would you want to be anywhere near it during a collapse?
Roving gangs where a member or two may have some rudimentary military experience are my biggest fear in a SHTF event. I think you're going to be at a much, MUCH higher risk in the southwest.
I think the cartels would step in to prevent a total collapse. They don't want us coming in to rescue the Mexican Government. They are (IMO) functioning as a shadow government anyway.
alienb1212
08-31-12, 17:25
I think the cartels would step in to prevent a total collapse. They don't want us coming in to rescue the Mexican Government. They are (IMO) functioning as a shadow government anyway.
I am interested to hear how exactly you speculate the cartels would positively contribute to the "crash" event. No, really..I'm not being a smartass. What the heck could they do? Would they even if they could?
I am interested to hear how exactly you speculate the cartels would positively contribute to the "crash" event. No, really..I'm not being a smartass. What the heck could they do? Would they even if they could?
They already act as a shadow government. They could buy food to keep the population fed (emulate the drug/terrorist groups in Colombia). They pretty much own the local police agencies, so law and order would still operate.
If they take over other government functions (food,hospitals, schools) then the population is contained. Remember, a total collapse forces the cartel heads to travel for medical and some other needs. They know we really can't touch them in Mexico, but their safety is impacted if the central government fails, so keeping some level of government is vital for their safety and ability to export drugs. A full scale exodus would force us to put troops on the border, inhibiting their ability to smuggle (people and drugs).
The only way we could help is to bail them out again. From a business sense, the cartels could easily absorb the costs of running the government (it would have to become state centered vice Mexico City centered).
Wolf Spyder
08-31-12, 23:53
I think the cartels would step in to prevent a total collapse. They don't want us coming in to rescue the Mexican Government. They are (IMO) functioning as a shadow government anyway.
I think you misunderstood. They are asking what will the drug cartel do if the US Gov collapses...
I think if the US Gov. collapses the southern boarder will get over run. Most folks in Mexico live like they live in a 3rd world nation anyway. I think they will make a mad dash north because the environment is more fruitful in America than it is in Mexico. Granted that is just a guess on my part, so who knows.
RioGrandeGreen
08-31-12, 23:53
It's already happening. Illegal aliens = economic refugees.
In the event of a global financial collapse or other North American SHTF situation, the government of Mexico will promptly collapse and there will be a huge wave of Mexican refugees heading north to find what they cannot get in Mexico. Or at least I think so. How are we going to handle that? We don't even keep the border closed on a good day when our government is supposedly in control, so I imagine the border being completely open in a SHTF situation.
In the event of a global financial collapse or other North American SHTF situation, the government of Mexico will promptly collapse and there will be a huge wave of Mexican refugees heading north to find what they cannot get in Mexico. Or at least I think so. How are we going to handle that? We don't even keep the border closed on a good day when our government is supposedly in control, so I imagine the border being completely open in a SHTF situation.
As if they aren't now? In a total collapse type situation or even just a U.S. collapse situation I think majority of un-naturalized peoples will be going back to there father land.
A good majority of Mexico is already living in a cartel sponsored SHTF environment.
In the event of a major collapse, these already organized and brutal criminal groups will expand into America in search of resources. My worst nightmares of sadistic, organized and well-armed groups is already realized in many areas of Mexico. Imagine these groups in an unrestrained environment...
Brutal dismemberments, beheadings, mass tortures are all common these days. If you want a taste of what life might become in the post SHTF path of cartel expansion spend some time reading the various stories here (NSFW Warning - this site has very graphic photos/videos) ...
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/
VooDoo6Actual
09-01-12, 19:37
redacted.
So I have been thinking. If we get invaded by aliens from outerspace and we kick their asses like the movies always show. What happens to the surviving aliens? I mean we can't just "beam" them back home?
Do we eat them? Do we sell them as cattle or do we integrate them into our society like Alien Nation? :rolleyes:
alienb1212
09-02-12, 05:47
So I have been thinking. If we get invaded by aliens from outerspace and we kick their asses like the movies always show. What happens to the surviving aliens? I mean we can't just "beam" them back home?
Do we eat them? Do we sell them as cattle or do we integrate them into our society like Alien Nation? :rolleyes:
Aliens are tasty, and best with some tabasco.
Those who say we will be overrun with Mexican refugees aren't thinking about WHY we have "refugees" crossing the boarder right NOW. We have those people because we have something to offer them that Mexico can't! If we collapse, we'll be no better than Mexico, and most likely MUCH worse for any "illegal alien" caught on American soil. A foreign country, where you don't speak the native language, is not the place you want to be during chaos or collapse.
The only people I'd be worried about IRT Mexican boarder crossers are the cartels and those who believe parts of the US still belong to Mexico and its their job to "take it back". But of course we have both of those kind already IN the US right now!
Aliens are tasty, and best with some tabasco.
Id imagine aliens would be good prepped like calamari...
alienb1212
09-02-12, 12:14
Those who say we will be overrun with Mexican refugees aren't thinking about WHY we have "refugees" crossing the boarder right NOW. We have those people because we have something to offer them that Mexico can't! If we collapse, we'll be no better than Mexico, and most likely MUCH worse for any "illegal alien" caught on American soil. A foreign country, where you don't speak the native language, is not the place you want to be during chaos or collapse.
The only people I'd be worried about IRT Mexican boarder crossers are the cartels and those who believe parts of the US still belong to Mexico and its their job to "take it back". But of course we have both of those kind already IN the US right now!
Isn't the native language for the southern states Spanish?
johnpuga1982
09-02-12, 12:40
If the U.S. Government collapsed, United States citizens wouldn't have any money to buy drugs, causing the cartels to collapse or look elsewhere.
HackerF15E
09-02-12, 12:44
So I have been thinking. If we get invaded by aliens from outerspace and we kick their asses like the movies always show. What happens to the surviving aliens? I mean we can't just "beam" them back home?
Do we eat them? Do we sell them as cattle or do we integrate them into our society like Alien Nation? :rolleyes:
Where is the damn "like" button on this forum?!
Moose-Knuckle
09-03-12, 03:44
So I have been thinking. If we get invaded by aliens from outerspace and we kick their asses like the movies always show. What happens to the surviving aliens? I mean we can't just "beam" them back home?
Do we eat them? Do we sell them as cattle or do we integrate them into our society like Alien Nation? :rolleyes:
Watch District 9 and you'll find the answer to your query.
So I have been thinking. If we get invaded by aliens from outerspace and we kick their asses like the movies always show. What happens to the surviving aliens? I mean we can't just "beam" them back home?
Do we eat them? Do we sell them as cattle or do we integrate them into our society like Alien Nation? :rolleyes:
Integrate them into the underground sex/porn industry. There have got to be some kinky MF'ers out there that would pay good money for a happy ending with beetle juice.
If the U.S. Government collapsed, United States citizens wouldn't have any money to buy drugs, causing the cartels to collapse or look elsewhere.
Id imagine a lot of dealers and distributors would be getting robbed by their clientele, poor drug dealers.:D
http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/EW5IdwltaAc?rel=0
VooDoo6Actual
09-15-12, 15:17
redacted.
http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/EW5IdwltaAc?rel=0
We are hosed...
Moose-Knuckle
09-15-12, 19:30
http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/EW5IdwltaAc?rel=0
Ehh, who cares isn't there a NCAA football game on somewhere? :sarcastic:
Thanks for sharing Caeser, that was concise and to the point. Hopefully it will wake a few up to the banking cabal's goal.
Ehh, who cares isn't there a NCAA football game on somewhere? :sarcastic:
Thanks for sharing Caeser, that was concise and to the point. Hopefully it will wake a few up to the banking cabal's goal.
Amen Brother!!!!!!!!!:D
Hey what is the US credit rating now? American GIs getting fragged by the low lives they are training, Diplomats killed in countries that we helped liberate. American flags burning around the globe. 8% unemployment ( if you don't count the people who have used all their benefits or just given up looking) Only half the population paying income tax.
The Iranians about to get nuked by the Israelis or visa versa.
This whole Hope and Change thing just isn't working out !
johnpuga1982
09-18-12, 21:06
Hey what is the US credit rating now? American GIs getting fragged by the low lives they are training, Diplomats killed in countries that we helped liberate. American flags burning around the globe. 8% unemployment ( if you don't count the people who have used all their benefits or just given up looking) Only half the population paying income tax.
The Iranians about to get nuked by the Israelis or visa versa.
This whole Hope and Change thing just isn't working out !
"Hope and Change" isn't the problem, it's people who are the problem. Humans are all sorts of f$&ed up, greed, pride, and envy being the cause of most of the worlds problem.
History is filled with wars, murders, raping, and plundering. With all that's going on in the world today history has proven that there are worse situations that have transpired.
This in not an attack on you or anyone else on this forum. I just feel that a lot of times people are quick to point the fingers at other people when they should be pointing the fingers to themselves and asking what am I going to do to make things better?
The relative peace that we have lived in for so long is an anomaly in the expanse of history. The natural state of the world is dungeons, tyranny, and war. The exceptionalism of America is that we are not the natural state of the world, we have obliterated the odds of history and resisted the default position of the world. The one variable to making this anomaly possible, making America the exception to the rule of dungeons, tyranny, and war, has been the idea of liberty.....liberty derived from God....that men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. It is the idea that from your first breath you were free, and God desires this. As America abandons these ideas it is inevitable that peace and prosperity will abandon us. It must be so.
If you remove the elements that make us different from the rest of history then we will be like the rest of history...dungeons, tyranny, and war. And if America eventually deteriorates and we vanish, even then hope is not lost....America sprung from a world that had nothing resembling it....a diamond sprung from rocks. As long as the idea of God given liberty is alive in the mind of even just one man, man can create it again.
Wolf Spyder
09-19-12, 10:10
The relative peace that we have lived in for so long is an anomaly in the expanse of history. The natural state of the world is dungeons, tyranny, and war. The exceptionalism of America is that we are not the natural state of the world, we have obliterated the odds of history and resisted the default position of the world. The one variable to making this anomaly possible, making America the exception to the rule of dungeons, tyranny, and war, has been the idea of liberty.....liberty derived from God....that men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. It is the idea that from your first breath you were free, and God desires this. As America abandons these ideas it is inevitable that peace and prosperity will abandon us. It must be so.
If you remove the elements that make us different from the rest of history then we will be like the rest of history...dungeons, tyranny, and war. And if America eventually deteriorates and we vanish, even then hope is not lost....America sprung from a world that had nothing resembling it....a diamond sprung from rocks. As long as the idea of God given liberty is alive in the mind of even just one man, man can create it again.
One of the best things I have read in a while.
VooDoo6Actual
09-19-12, 12:04
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/nTmdt_zpsfeb1e98d.jpg
alienb1212
09-19-12, 21:08
DHS is ordering 200M 5.56 and a few hundred thousand .308 to go with their billion-something .40SW
VooDoo6Actual
09-20-12, 12:11
redacted.
Moose-Knuckle
09-20-12, 18:00
DHS is ordering 200M 5.56 and a few hundred thousand .308 to go with their billion-something .40SW
:eek:
This plus MRAPs . . . I know I'm feeling a lot safer. :rolleyes:
yep indeed. Encouraging !
Interesting link from a former Frog Matt Bracken about Civil Disturbance regarding CW2 Cube
http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/bracken-when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence/
About the Author
http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/author.htm
Damn, good article. Thanks for the link. More information to be added to the noggin.
Quote from article that hits it on the head...
Now that the delivery of free or heavily subsidized food is perceived by tens of millions of Americans to be a basic human right, the cutoff of “their” food money will cause an immediate explosion of rage.
Damn, good article. Thanks for the link. More information to be added to the noggin.
Quote from article that hits it on the head...
Now that the delivery of free or heavily subsidized food is perceived by tens of millions of Americans to be a basic human right, the cutoff of “their” food money will cause an immediate explosion of rage.
Many years ago I worked in a couple of state agencies (Employment and Labor) as an analyst/programmer for the benefit payment systems. We paid out not only injured worker or unemployment checks but medical and disability pension checks. Beneficiaries know to the minute when that deposit or check is supposed to be delivered. If there is a glitch and payments are delayed even one hour the agency is flooded with irate calls. I would not want to imagine the panic and anger that would results if payments were delayed a week or more. Serious rioting. I'm sure SSA and welfare claimants are similar.
It does seem like the gasoline has been poured and we are waiting for is a spark
VooDoo6Actual
09-21-12, 16:23
redacted.
Moose-Knuckle
09-21-12, 16:35
Shock findings in new GMO study: Rats fed lifetime of GM corn grow horrifying tumors, 70% of females die early
http://www.naturalnews.com/037249_GMO_study_cancer_tumors_organ_damage.html
Cancer row over GM foods as study says it did THIS to rats... and can cause organ damage and early death in humans
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2205509/Cancer-row-GM-foods-French-study-claims-did-THIS-rats--cause-organ-damage-early-death-humans.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DSean%2BPoulter
Yeap, I think the Georgia Guide Stones are right . . . globalists want to get us down to a "manageable" number. I can think of no greater weapon than food.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/AKS-74/georgiaguidestones3_zps0f81c5e0.jpg
VooDoo6Actual
09-21-12, 16:48
redacted.
Moose-Knuckle
09-21-12, 17:51
PRESIDENTIAL POWERS IN TIMES OF EMERGENCY:
Could Terrorism Result In A Constitutional Dictator?
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20020607.html
Constitutional Dictatorship: Its Dangers and Its
Design (from Yale Law School)
http://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1220&context=fss_papers&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dconstitutional%2520dictatorship%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D3%26sqi%3D2%26ved%3D0CC4QFjAC%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdigitalcommons.law.yale.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D1220%2526context%253Dfss_papers%26ei%3DUu5cUKf5IIO-9QS38oDwCw%26usg%3DAFQjCNH9fGxkKYTMQAOxzjicrgAbuXmuvQ#search=%22constitutional%20dictatorship%22
VooDoo6Actual
09-22-12, 09:40
redacted.
Shock findings in new GMO study: Rats fed lifetime of GM corn grow horrifying tumors, 70% of females die early
http://www.naturalnews.com/037249_GMO_study_cancer_tumors_organ_damage.html
Cancer row over GM foods as study says it did THIS to rats... and can cause organ damage and early death in humans
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2205509/Cancer-row-GM-foods-French-study-claims-did-THIS-rats--cause-organ-damage-early-death-humans.html?openGraphAuthor=%2Fhome%2Fsearch.html%3Fs%3D%26authornamef%3DSean%2BPoulter
Monsanto Roundup weedkiller and GM maize implicated in ‘shocking’ new cancer study
http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/topics/technology-and-supply-chain/monsanto-weedkiller-and-gm-maize-in-shocking-cancer-study/232603.article
Study Abstract
A Comparison of the Effects of Three GM Corn Varieties on Mammalian Health
http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm
Former Justice Souter: ‘Pervasive civic ignorance’ in U.S. could bring dictatorship
Pretty much says it all....
http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/8169
PRESIDENTIAL POWERS IN TIMES OF EMERGENCY:
Could Terrorism Result In A Constitutional Dictator?
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20020607.html
Constitutional Dictatorship: Its Dangers and Its
Design (from Yale Law School)
http://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1220&context=fss_papers&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dconstitutional%2520dictatorship%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D3%26sqi%3D2%26ved%3D0CC4QFjAC%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdigitalcommons.law.yale.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D1220%2526context%253Dfss_papers%26ei%3DUu5cUKf5IIO-9QS38oDwCw%26usg%3DAFQjCNH9fGxkKYTMQAOxzjicrgAbuXmuvQ#search=%22constitutional%20dictatorship%22
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2012/dc3389.doc.htm
http://www.westernjournalism.com/un-small-arms-treaty-passes-while-media-sleeps/
Gentlemen, thank you very much for expanding my knowledge base. I've spent the morning reading your links and getting pissed off :mad:, but more aware. I appreciate you guys.
Gentlemen, thank you very much for expanding my knowledge base. I've spent the morning reading your links and getting pissed off :mad:, but more aware. I appreciate you guys.
Funny, I thought I was the only one. :mad:
VooDoo6Actual
09-22-12, 19:56
redacted.
nineteenkilo
09-22-12, 22:00
Funny, I thought I was the only one. :mad:
Me too.
VooDoo6Actual
09-23-12, 12:19
redacted.
I wonder if those would have passed a chemical test as well. The gold that was wrapped around the tungsten looked much thicker than gold platings out there that the chemicals will pick up.
My pleasure & your welcome. To me, that's the best way I can reach people to the agenda is to share & let people process it however they want to. I know how I'm processing it.
Here's an INSIGHTFUL reading list from the Commander.
I look at anecdotal evidence & see a lot from the content of the subject matter etc. The devil is in the details....
http://www.whs.mil/library/ReadingLists/SOCOM%20Reading%20List.pdf
Commander’s Reading List 2012
The Speed of Trust, by Stephen M.R. Covey (2006).
Learning to Think Strategically, by Julia Sloan (2006).
The Watchman’s Rattle: Thinking Our Way Out of Extinction,
by Rebecca D. Costa (2010).
Linked: How Everything is Connected to Everything Else and What It Means for Business, Science, and Everyday Life,
by Albert-Laszio Barabasi (2003).
Start with Why: How Great Leaders Inspire Everyone to Take Action, by Simon Sinek (2009).
Good to Great: Why Some Companies Make the Leap...and Others Don’t, by Jim Collins (2001).
Complexity: The Emerging Science at the Edge of Chaos,
by M. Mitchell Waldrop (1992).
Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln,
by Doris Kearns Goodwin (2005).
Execution: The Discipline of Getting Things Done,
by Larry Bossidy, Ram Charan (2002).
The Sling and the Stone: On War in the 21st Century,
by Colonel Thomas X. Hammes, USMC (2006).
Insurgency, Terrorism, and Crime: Shadows from the Past and Portents for the Future, by Max G. Manwaring (2008).
In the end people get out of life what they put into it...
Others do the same.
Thanks VooDoo, again. I'm currently reading "The Sling and the Stone". Your list of books look very interesting and the older I get the more I enjoy reading books that will develop my awareness and character. Keep the good recommendations coming :)
Wonder how many & how MUCH of these babies are floating around w/ all the chaos/panic/unsuspecting decent good people preparing etc.
recent:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/tungsten-filled-10-oz-gold-bar-found-middle-manhattans-jewelry-district
"All that said, with false flags rampant these days, we would not be surprised if this is merely yet another attempt to discredit gold, this time physical, as an undilutable medium of warehousing wealth. So buyer beware: in a time when everyone is broke, triple check before exchanging one store of wealth for another."
http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/2012/03/tungsten-filled-1-kilo-gold-bar.html
older:
"Specifically, these settlements involved the intermediation of at least one Central Bank [The Bank of England] to resolve allocated settlements on behalf of J.P. Morgan and Deutsche Bank – who did not have the gold bullion that they had sold short and were contracted to deliver. At the same time I reported on two other unusual occurrences:
Irregularities in the publication of the gold ETF - GLD’s bar list from Sept. 25 – Oct.14 where the length of the bar list went from 1,381 pages to under 200 pages and then back up to 800 or so pages.
Reports of 400 oz. “good delivery” bricks of gold found gutted and filled with tungsten within the confines of LBMA approved vaults in Hong Kong."
http://www.financialsensearchive.com/fsu/editorials/kirby/2009/1112.html
http://www.kitco.com/ind/willie/nov182009.html
http://ausbullion.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/tungsten-filled-gold-bars.html
Australian Bullion Dealer ABC Bullion has contacted SD to advise that one of its suppliers has provided them photographic evidence of a tungsten filled 1 kilo gold bar discovered this week. The bar passed a hand-held xrf scan which showed 99.98% pure AU. The tungsten was only discovered when the bar was physically cut in half.
After numerous reports of 400oz tungsten filled bars being discovered in Hong Kong, this is the first documented and verified report with photographic evidence that has been made public. ...
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/fakegold3_0_zps5bc2dbd8.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/fakegold4_0_zps5d90e884.jpg
G-damn mother ****ers. VooDoo you're pissing me off in a good sort of way;) Hey at least the Chinese are actually plating thier shit bricks, whereas our stash in Fort Knox is probably just bricks painted gold :suicide:
Cagemonkey
09-23-12, 17:48
I don't for one minute think their is any Gold in Ft. Knox. I do hope that this nation has a substantial gold reserve some where though.
VooDoo6Actual
09-24-12, 11:28
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Zbigniew Brzezinksi: After America
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/01/03/after_america?print=yes&hidecomments=yes&page=full
http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/3371
Good ones, I always appreciate those who have a good knowledge of history and the high degree to which they can "predict" the future.
VooDoo6Actual
09-24-12, 15:18
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VooDoo6Actual
09-24-12, 23:28
redacted.
http://teapartyorg.ning.com/video/video/show?id=4301673%3AVideo%3A990971&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_video
Funny how some people here think he's (Ben Smith) Tin Foil Hat guy as well. If Obozo gets re-elected watch many people in suspended belief see how Conspiracy Theory becomes Conspiracy Fact.
Occasionally one gets a glimpse of what it must have been like to hear our founding fathers speak of freedom. I'm a better person because of that and other things posted here.
Moose-Knuckle
10-18-12, 03:30
Rising Food Prices: Why Wall Street Is Partially to Blame
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/rising-food-prices-why-wall-street-partially-blame-174836463.html
Government: Violent crimes rose 18 percent in 2011
http://www.mariettatimes.com/page/content.detail/id/258830/Government--Violent-crimes-rose-18-percent-in-2011-.html?isap=1&nav=5020
Moose-Knuckle
10-23-12, 15:07
106 Years After ‘The Jungle’, Squalid Factories and Foodborne Diseases Are Rising Again
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/106-years-jungle-squalid-factories-foodborne-diseases-rising-144403719.html
Major Solar Flare Erupts From the Sun
http://news.yahoo.com/major-solar-flare-erupts-sun-150630753.html
Wonder how many & how MUCH of these babies are floating around w/ all the chaos/panic/unsuspecting decent good people preparing etc.
recent:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/tungsten-filled-10-oz-gold-bar-found-middle-manhattans-jewelry-district
"All that said, with false flags rampant these days, we would not be surprised if this is merely yet another attempt to discredit gold, this time physical, as an undilutable medium of warehousing wealth. So buyer beware: in a time when everyone is broke, triple check before exchanging one store of wealth for another."
http://silverdoctors.blogspot.com/2012/03/tungsten-filled-1-kilo-gold-bar.html
older:
"Specifically, these settlements involved the intermediation of at least one Central Bank [The Bank of England] to resolve allocated settlements on behalf of J.P. Morgan and Deutsche Bank – who did not have the gold bullion that they had sold short and were contracted to deliver. At the same time I reported on two other unusual occurrences:
Irregularities in the publication of the gold ETF - GLD’s bar list from Sept. 25 – Oct.14 where the length of the bar list went from 1,381 pages to under 200 pages and then back up to 800 or so pages.
Reports of 400 oz. “good delivery” bricks of gold found gutted and filled with tungsten within the confines of LBMA approved vaults in Hong Kong."
http://www.financialsensearchive.com/fsu/editorials/kirby/2009/1112.html
http://www.kitco.com/ind/willie/nov182009.html
http://ausbullion.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/tungsten-filled-gold-bars.html
Australian Bullion Dealer ABC Bullion has contacted SD to advise that one of its suppliers has provided them photographic evidence of a tungsten filled 1 kilo gold bar discovered this week. The bar passed a hand-held xrf scan which showed 99.98% pure AU. The tungsten was only discovered when the bar was physically cut in half.
After numerous reports of 400oz tungsten filled bars being discovered in Hong Kong, this is the first documented and verified report with photographic evidence that has been made public. ...
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/fakegold3_0_zps5bc2dbd8.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/fakegold4_0_zps5d90e884.jpg
Why Did The Bundesbank Secretly Withdraw Two-Thirds Of Its London Gold?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-24/why-did-bundesbank-secretly-withdraw-two-thirds-its-london-gold
Today, in a surprising development, via the Telegraph we learn that none other than the same Bundesbank which is causing endless nightmares for all the other broke European nations due to its insistence for sound money, decided to voluntarily pull two thirds of its gold holdings held by the Bank of England. According to a confidential report referenced by the Telegraph, Buba reclaimed 940 tons, reducing its BOE holdings from 1,440 in 2000 to 500 in 2001 allegedly "because storage costs were too high." This is about as idiotic an excuse as the Fed cancelling its reporting of M3 in 2006 because "the costs of collecting the underlying data outweigh the benefits." So why did Buba repatriate its gold? Ambrose Evans-Pritchard has an idea.
The shift came as the euro was at its weakest, slumping to $0.84 against the dollar. But it also came as the Bank of England was selling off most of Britain's gold reserves – at market lows – on orders from Gordon Brown.
Peter Hambro, chair of the UK-listed gold miner Petropavlovsk, said the Bundesbank may have withdrawn its bullion in self-protection since it did not, apparently, have its own specifically allocated bars in London. "They may have decided that the Bank of England had lent out too much gold, and decided it was safer to bring theirs home. This is about the identification. Can you identify your own allocated gold, or are you just a general creditor with a metal account?"
The watchdog report follows claims by the German civic campaign group "Bring Back our Gold" and its US allies in the Gold Anti-Trust Committee that official data cannot be trusted. They allege central banks have loaned out or "sold short" much of their gold.
Unease about Germany's unchecked gold reserves
http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/10/22/2340689/german-auditors-urge-controlling.html
The report says the gold bars "have never been physically checked by the Bundesbank itself or other independent auditors regarding their authenticity or weight." Instead, it relies on a "written confirmations by the storage sites."
The central bank said in a reaction to the report that was also sent to lawmakers Monday that it sees no reason for a physical inspection of the bars. "There is no doubt about the integrity of the foreign storage sites in this regard," it stated.
Given the growing political unease about the issue and the pressure from auditors, the central bank decided last month to repatriate some 50 tons of gold in each of the three coming years from New York to its headquarters in Frankfurt for "thorough examinations" regarding weight and quality, the report revealed.
Hong Kong recalls its gold reserves from UK | Follows Germanys and UAEs lead
http://goldsurvivalguide.co.nz/hong-kong-recalls-its-gold-reserves-from-uk-follows-germanys-and-uaes-%E2%80%8Elead%E2%80%8E/
“Central banks are increasingly aware of the importance of having gold reserves at time of financial crisis and having it easily available at their own disposal“.
This is just further evidence of lack of trust in the 2 major western financial centres – the USA and UK – particularly when it comes to gold. They have in the past been the centre of much discussion on the subject of gold leasing and gold price manipulation. A whole other subject in itself.
VooDoo6Actual
10-25-12, 11:59
redacted.
yep indeed. Encouraging !
Interesting link from a former Frog Matt Bracken about Civil Disturbance regarding CW2 Cube
http://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/bracken-when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence/
About the Author
http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/author.htm
Damn, good article. Thanks for the link. More information to be added to the noggin.
Quote from article that hits it on the head...
Now that the delivery of free or heavily subsidized food is perceived by tens of millions of Americans to be a basic human right, the cutoff of “their” food money will cause an immediate explosion of rage.
Many years ago I worked in a couple of state agencies (Employment and Labor) as an analyst/programmer for the benefit payment systems. We paid out not only injured worker or unemployment checks but medical and disability pension checks. Beneficiaries know to the minute when that deposit or check is supposed to be delivered. If there is a glitch and payments are delayed even one hour the agency is flooded with irate calls. I would not want to imagine the panic and anger that would results if payments were delayed a week or more. Serious rioting. I'm sure SSA and welfare claimants are similar.
Food Stamp Nation: What a Modern Day Bread Line Looks Like (Infographic)
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/food-stamp-nation-what-a-modern-day-bread-line-looks-like-infographic_10252012
http://shtfplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/foodstampnation-infograph-large4.jpg
Moose-Knuckle
10-26-12, 15:44
Great info there VD6A & Cinco. ;)
All by design . . .
"The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse."
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html
VooDoo6Actual
10-26-12, 16:48
redacted.
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