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Curious what the M4C members think about this. It seems as if one incident ignited a powder keg and it has turned into nothing more than criminal mobs stealing and destroying whatever they can.
Does anyone think we could see this happen here? There is alot of going (lack of jobs, etc...) and the use of social networks to spread the messages of "hey let's go looting and cause damage".
Rmplstlskn
08-08-11, 16:44
Reason #10,987 why to leave the cities and go rural... And they keep counting.
Rmpl
This is what happens when you don't provide a moral foundation upon which to live (note: I am not talking about Religion). When morality starts to become relative, each person gets to rationalize their behavior and you get this sort of thing.
We're already seeing it in the form of "flash mob" robberies.
Does anyone think that if the U.K had similar gun laws like we have in the U.S that things would be different? Would these roaming gangs of people be more hesitant if shopkeepers pulled a deal like some did during the Rodney King riots?
All of my colleagues live somewhere in the U.K and some of them in the London area. Many of them are appalled at the situation and some of them believe that it is the tying of hands of the police that is allowing this to happen.
It most definitely would be different.
But the nanny state mentality is a big factor I think. People get used to the idea of the state providing everything and so see these sorts of actions as legitimate when things don't work like they expect and people don't get all the handouts (note that the UK is cutting budgets and "services").
I think a heavier handed police response would only push the resentment higher.
I don't know the details, but the news report I read said that the guy who was killed by police, which killing supposedly was the catalyst for this, was being investigated for a "firearms offence." If the laws were more US like (free US, not commie US), maybe there would never have been a "firearms offence" to investigate and start this whole thing (?) That is what I have been thinking about for a while now.
Does anyone think that if the U.K had similar gun laws like we have in the U.S that things would be different? Would these roaming gangs of people be more hesitant if shopkeepers pulled a deal like some did during the Rodney King riots?
All of my colleagues live somewhere in the U.K and some of them in the London area. Many of them are appalled at the situation and some of them believe that it is the tying of hands of the police that is allowing this to happen.
It would most certainly be different. I think some might be more hesitant but the big thing about mobs is the irrationality. So I think most would not hesitate. I do however think the outcome would be different:cool:.
Curious what the M4C members think about this. It seems as if one incident ignited a powder keg and it has turned into nothing more than criminal mobs stealing and destroying whatever they can.
Does anyone think we could see this happen here? There is alot of going (lack of jobs, etc...) and the use of social networks to spread the messages of "hey let's go looting and cause damage".
I believe we are currently seeing it. Some differences but look at Milwaukee, Pieoria (I can't spell:no:) and the flash mobs in Philly and other major cities. While these are not exactly apples to apples, I think there commonalities to make the connect.
Caesar and Abraxas touched on the current events inside CONUS. I think this could easily happen here and we may not be too far away from something like this happening in our own country in the near future.
The riots and demonstrations in Greece didn't happen that long ago...
Don't forget what happened during the Paris riots with the Muslims in 2010 and 2005, biggest 2 I can remember, where a shitload of cars were torched along with buildings, thousands of assaults, etc. Google "Muslim riots Paris" if you want more info.
Europe is basically a powder keg and we're not too far behind...
FromMyColdDeadHand
08-08-11, 17:49
I really wish this whole time thing would get fixed. It makes it a pain in the ass to follow a thread
Need to up my meds, I didn't notice anything wrong with the flow of the conversation.
Just last week we had race riots in Milwaukee, a Life Flight helicopter take a round over Ohio and guy pull an AK out and pepper a bus. It's here already.
Like I've mentioned many times, this crap doesn't happen in Texas. Draw your own conclusions and prepare appropriately.
I wonder if all the new Castle Doctraine, Hold your ground laws and increased CCW will change things this time?
Does anyone think that if the U.K had similar gun laws like we have in the U.S that things would be different? Would these roaming gangs of people be more hesitant if shopkeepers pulled a deal like some did during the Rodney King riots?
All of my colleagues live somewhere in the U.K and some of them in the London area. Many of them are appalled at the situation and some of them believe that it is the tying of hands of the police that is allowing this to happen.
Curious what the M4C members think about this. It seems as if one incident ignited a powder keg and it has turned into nothing more than criminal mobs stealing and destroying whatever they can.
Does anyone think we could see this happen here? There is alot of going (lack of jobs, etc...) and the use of social networks to spread the messages of "hey let's go looting and cause damage".
What do you mean "could"?
LA riots, Liberty City riots, Watts riots. All you need is a pretense and then it is game on.
GermanSynergy
08-08-11, 18:08
It can and probably will happen CONUS. I've heard rumors that the rioting is not just in London, either. Other UK urban centres may be impacted.
Maybe I am missing something here, but the riots are supposedly over the shooting by the U.K. police of a teenager or something. Not sure of what tying of the hands exactly your buddies are referring to. I am in now way doubting what they are saying, but I just don't have the frame of reference they do.
I really wish this whole time thing would get fixed. It makes it a pain in the ass to follow a thread
It can and probably will happen CONUS. I've heard rumors that the rioting is not just in London, either. Other UK urban centres may be impacted.
Great, I'll be flying into Manchester Sept 24 then taking the train north to Harrogate to visit a buddy of mine from here who is stationed there.
Does anyone think that if the U.K had similar gun laws like we have in the U.S that things would be different? Would these roaming gangs of people be more hesitant if shopkeepers pulled a deal like some did during the Rodney King riots?
All of my colleagues live somewhere in the U.K and some of them in the London area. Many of them are appalled at the situation and some of them believe that it is the tying of hands of the police that is allowing this to happen.
Might not change the big picture much, but it would definitely change things on an individual basis like with the Koreans during the LA riots. There was still rioting, they just went where it was safer to riot.
http://www.neurope.eu/articles/Londons-burning/107838.php#ixzz1UTXZZiBk
Looting and pillaging has taken place on an unprecedented scale, leaving many buildings burned to ground and shops emptied by organised groups, and has been attributed to criminal gangs, with the spread of violence across the city labelled as "copycat criminal activity" by the Metropolitan Police.
Caesar and Abraxas touched on the current events inside CONUS. I think this could easily happen here and we may not be too far away from something like this happening in our own country in the near future.
The riots and demonstrations in Greece didn't happen that long ago...
Don't forget what happened during the Paris riots with the Muslims in 2010 and 2005, biggest 2 I can remember, where a shitload of cars were torched along with buildings, thousands of assaults, etc. Google "Muslim riots Paris" if you want more info.
Europe is basically a powder keg and we're not too far behind...
Two my of friends(who are sisters) are French citizens were in Paris in '05 around the time of riots. They met some French-Algerian dude at a cafe, after some wine and bread, he looked at them and just said, "wanna f- some stuff up?" They dont even care, just a reason to cause meyhem.
There has to be a way to marginalize the "activist" and separatist groups..I was reading RFR earlier and found the activism manufacturing section, the organizers have to be out organized.
ThirdWatcher
08-08-11, 20:47
Does anyone think we could see this happen here?
I was in the Battle of Seattle (WTO 99) so I say it damn sure could happen here... and there is no shortage of anarchists that wanna make it so.
I was in the Battle of Seattle (WTO 99) so I say it damn sure could happen here... and there is no shortage of anarchists that wanna make it so.
Anarchists or undercover cops? There have been several incidents where police have infiltrated "anarchist groups" as an agent provocateur and commited illegal activity in order to create headlines and as an excuse to crack down on "anarchists". This is a fact. I'm on a cell but would be happy to cite links in the AM if anyone wants to contest what I'm claiming.
Following the tweets and FB posts of a few friends who live in the UK. They are pissed off. Pissed off at the rioters and the ineffectual police. As one said "They have one copper walking a beat all by himself and 4 officers dedicated to telling people what politically correct words they are allowed to use." Apparently the shit bag that got shot was just that. So the Bobbies killed the UK version of Rodney King. Now add in the "pain" that folks are feeling over what austerity measures have been taken by the government to control spending (it wasnt much) and folks are reacting to being cut off from their gub'mint cheese so to speak. The marxists and others are in there right now stirring shit up to make sure it doesn't calm down any time soon.
ForTehNguyen
08-08-11, 22:29
this is what happens when you have a large number of unemployed youths with too much free time. Waiting for any excuse to go out and break stuff. Europe has permanently high unemployment.
VooDoo6Actual
08-08-11, 23:19
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-09/violence-spreads-to-more-uk-cities/2830898?section=world
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2011/08/2011881845588629.html
Anarchists or undercover cops? There have been several incidents where police have infiltrated "anarchist groups" as an agent provocateur and commited illegal activity in order to create headlines and as an excuse to crack down on "anarchists". This is a fact. I'm on a cell but would be happy to cite links in the AM if anyone wants to contest what I'm claiming.
So what. Anarchists are garbage with feet.
Correct. One situation. Unfortunately from what I have been told the police are really not allowed to "police". All you need to do is watch the current coverage where the police are simply standing by doing nothing because they are afraid of being arrested or hauled in front of a committee.
Maybe I am missing something here, but the riots are supposedly over the shooting by the U.K. police of a teenager or something. Not sure of what tying of the hands exactly your buddies are referring to. I am in now way doubting what they are saying, but I just don't have the frame of reference they do.
Moose-Knuckle
08-09-11, 04:18
Britain burns: Riots spread through UK cities.
http://news.yahoo.com/britain-burns-riots-spread-uk-cities-013736610.html
Wisconsin state fair riot, whites singled out and attacked, 05 August 2011.
Caribbean Day Festival in Washington DC erupted into an utter riot on the streets of our nations capital, 25 June 2011. Lot of Youtube vids, search there as the national media had a total black out on the matter.
Beat whitey night at the Iowa state fair, 24 & 25 August 2010. Google it as media again had a black out on the matter.
It's happening with greater frequency. Check out these stats. . .:eek:
http://violentflashmobs.com/
What do you mean "could"? LA riots, Liberty City riots, Watts riots. All you need is a pretense and then it is game on.
Exactly! It is starting to feel like the the late 60's here again to me.
Edited to add: Not that the riots have started, but that I believe we could be heading there.
ThirdWatcher
08-09-11, 06:18
Anarchists or undercover cops? There have been several incidents where police have infiltrated "anarchist groups" as an agent provocateur and commited illegal activity in order to create headlines and as an excuse to crack down on "anarchists". This is a fact. I'm on a cell but would be happy to cite links in the AM if anyone wants to contest what I'm claiming.
No offense intended, but I'm not interested.
So what. Anarchists are garbage with feet.
They dont have the brain power to understand their own position.
I think it could definitely happen here. I think the last event that happened here that is most similar to this the 92 LA riots.
This kind of scenario is what I am "preparing" for, and I would like to be able to protect my homestead and family if this does occur.
Curious what the M4C members think about this. It seems as if one incident ignited a powder keg and it has turned into nothing more than criminal mobs stealing and destroying whatever they can.
Does anyone think we could see this happen here? There is alot of going (lack of jobs, etc...) and the use of social networks to spread the messages of "hey let's go looting and cause damage".
arizonaranchman
08-09-11, 09:39
Yes I can absolutely see it here and in fact I predict it soon enough. These idiots riot over football games, etc. So you just wait until inflation kicks in big time as the economy continues it's fall and/or eventual collapse of the Dollar.
A catalyst that i can see as a possible point of ignition is the inflation that we have right around the corner in our future - predicted to be major to severe. When their welfare or unemployment checks will shrink in value to the point where they just aren't enough to pay for what inflated prices will bring (a $1000/month welfare check today in conditions of extreme inflation will bring it's actual value down to $100-$200 in todays dollars - they'll be starving, etc and riots will follow in rapid order).
I live 35 miles from the nearest town of any size in the mountains of the high desert. The cities will be a nightmare when these riots begin, with mobs torching everything in sight. The military will be required to put it down.
Mentioned in another thread, but I will never understand the logic of getting your revenge on the police by destroying your fellow mans/neighbors/friends homes and businesses.
Way to go, you bunch of toolbag loser 'rioters'. I think something like this could happen for a few hours here tops, before they'd be getting tear gassed and barraged with other non-lethal munitions.
Belmont31R
08-09-11, 12:23
A few different posts have touched up on what the problem is.
1. Decades of socialism and they don't have the money anymore.
A. They are ineffectual and have taken the pride & independence out of the people.
B. They got everyone hooked on free everything, and now they can't keep paying for it.
2. Mass immigration into Europe from the 3rd world.
A. Immigrants are not adopting their host country as theirs, and taking in their languages, values, and ideology. They setup little versions of their own country. The problem with that is their home country is a 3rd world shit hole. Our early immigrants came from civilized societies with similar values to our own. Mass immigration by the 3rd world means you setup 3rd world ghettos in a civilized society. Our early immigrants had a shared lifestyle, value system, basic religious tenets, ect.
I believe it was sometime in the 50's or 60's where we basically cut off western European immigration to a trickle, and started in with the 3rd worlders. I know my family came here in 1948 from Holland. Now, unless its by marriage, it would be virtually impossible for that to happen now. Read about the rural towns who have been taken over by Somali immigrants, and its bound to happen here sooner or later on a scale like this. On my second deployment all our interpreters were trying to take part in a program to get US citizenship. Its friggen unreal. The west is committing mass suicide. When I was in Germany no one liked the turks. They had their own sections of towns that were "theirs". They don't give a shit about Germany or German culture. Read about the the rape epidemic in Sweden. Some once thriving and nice towns there are overrun with middle easterners, and where crime was scare the numbers have exploded particularly sexual crimes against natives.
While what that guy in Norway did was appalling I believe this is what he was fighting against (in his mind). I suspect as more of this goes on the nationalistic side is going to become more prevalent. Only so many people are going to sit by why their towns get taken over by the 3rd world, drugs become rampant, and their daughters get raped on their way home from school because some muslim thug thinks raping a non muslim woman isn't wrong. They go out on the streets destroying entire blocks because the natives aren't as accepting of them as they want, they want to be given jobs instead of doing it on their own, and they are basically holding their host countries hostage. Unless you appease them and think everything they do is ok they'll burn the place down.
Blackberry use to coordinate mayhem assumed
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/blackberry/8688651/London-riots-how-BlackBerry-Messenger-has-been-used-to-plan-two-nights-of-looting.html
Threats against RIM employees
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/blackberry/8691479/London-riots-BlackBerry-workers-threatened.html
Blackberry use to coordinate mayhem assumed
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/blackberry/8688651/London-riots-how-BlackBerry-Messenger-has-been-used-to-plan-two-nights-of-looting.html
Threats against RIM employees
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/blackberry/8691479/London-riots-BlackBerry-workers-threatened.html
Reuters UK is/was running a live blog. It looks like some individuals with a less than skewed moral compass have been helping the Police with "intel".
Heck then what is the point? Other than investigative work the police would be useless. Although, I personally think we need to head a little in that direction, but only a little bit. I do appreciate our LEO's out there, but I feel this country is becoming ever more a police/nanny state.
Although I never understood why people like those rioting there are burning down their own neighborhoods. That is the same as getting pulled over for speeding and getting angry that the officer pulled you so you burn your car? :no:
Retards...
Oh the looting too! "I got an idea, why don't we go and rob the stores and get us some nice new shoes..." six months later they are bitching at the cost of the shoes in the store because the store has to recoupe their losses. :suicide2:
Correct. One situation. Unfortunately from what I have been told the police are really not allowed to "police". All you need to do is watch the current coverage where the police are simply standing by doing nothing because they are afraid of being arrested or hauled in front of a committee.
I remember those. I guess I probably worded it wrong and should have realized just how similar some of those events are to the current shitstorm in London.
What do you mean "could"?
LA riots, Liberty City riots, Watts riots. All you need is a pretense and then it is game on.
montanadave
08-09-11, 17:31
Bear in mind this is a country where a soccer match isn't really a soccer match unless a drunken riot breaks out.
Hooliganism is a national pastime and this is a perfect opportunity for roving bands of drunken, unemployed youth to go apeshit.
That said, it's just sad and senseless. If I were pissed off and itchin' to "take it to the man," I'd at least go out to where "the man" lives and burn his ****in' house down, as opposed to running out into the street in front of my house and lobbing a Molotov cocktail through my own picture window. :confused:
GermanSynergy
08-09-11, 18:24
Apparently this is an alien concept to many of them. They're "stickin it to duh man" by burning and looting shops in their own neighborhoods. When it's all said and done, the hapless British taxpayer will be on the hook to fund the reconstruction of the looted and torched areas.
That said, it's just sad and senseless. If I were pissed off and itchin' to "take it to the man," I'd at least go out to where "the man" lives and burn his ****in' house down, as opposed to running out into the street in front of my house and lobbing a Molotov cocktail through my own picture window. :confused:
Army Chief
08-09-11, 18:35
Individuals -- even the relatively stupid ones -- are quite often capable of reasoned discussion in a one-on-one setting.
Mobs -- even those comprised of people with whom I might otherwise have much in common -- are irrational, volatile and almost always prone to destruction.
I've no idea why this tendency toward objectiveless rebellion is so hard-wired into our natures, but it seems that we're sure to see more of these kinds of displays (at home and abroad), given the present trajectory of our society at-large.
Kind of makes a certain level of preparedness seem a lot more mainstream, when you get right down to it.
AC
Belmont31R
08-09-11, 18:55
Individuals -- even the relatively stupid ones -- are quite often capable of reasoned discussion in a one-on-one setting.
Mobs -- even those comprised of people with whom I might otherwise have much in common -- are irrational, volatile and almost always prone to destruction.
I've no idea why this tendency toward objectiveless rebellion is so hard-wired into our natures, but it seems that we're sure to see more of these kinds of displays (at home and abroad), given the present trajectory of our society at-large.
Kind of makes a certain level of preparedness seem a lot more mainstream, when you get right down to it.
AC
Hence why broad spectrum collectivism will always be a failure.
It removes individual responsibility, and thus anything anyone does is not "their" fault but "ours".
The reason why they are burning the place down is society's fault.
When people find out they are special, and part of a protected class they will act out....then you have the enablers and actors all blaming someone else.
When no one can be blamed personally, and you can't punish society at large there is no crime.
An Undocumented Worker
08-09-11, 20:12
Do criminals in England have any civil liberties to lose, like felons here in the states, or does everyone there have pretty much nothing to lose, other than property?
I'm starting to think the further away from freedom and liberty a society goes, the worse crime gets. From my very limited perspective there doesn't seem to be much difference between how law abiding citizens and criminals are treated over there.
montanadave
08-09-11, 20:39
Individuals -- even the relatively stupid ones -- are quite often capable of reasoned discussion in a one-on-one setting.
Mobs -- even those comprised of people with whom I might otherwise have much in common -- are irrational, volatile and almost always prone to destruction.
I've no idea why this tendency toward objectiveless rebellion is so hard-wired into our natures, but it seems that we're sure to see more of these kinds of displays (at home and abroad), given the present trajectory of our society at-large.
Kind of makes a certain level of preparedness seem a lot more mainstream, when you get right down to it.
AC
Reminds me of a comment from a high school buddy's mom, who used to say,"Give me one teenage boy, you got one brain; two teenage boys, half a brain; three or more teenage boys, no brains at all." :laugh:
His dad was also a fount of wisdom. Holding forth on the pros and cons of having sons versus having daughters, he remarked, "Ya got a teenage boy, ya gotta worry about one little prick in town; ya got a teenage daughter, ya gotta worry about every little prick in town." :lol:
I would like nothing more than to fire one of my FALs into a crowd of rioting 3rd world shitbags.
VooDoo6Actual
08-10-11, 00:42
I would like nothing more than to fire one of my FALs into a crowd of rioting 3rd world shitbags.
Be prepared your country is evolving into something less than it once was.
variablebinary
08-10-11, 01:20
I would like nothing more than to fire one of my FALs into a crowd of rioting 3rd world shitbags.
Just wait. On a long enough timeline, you'll get your chance.
montanadave
08-10-11, 05:16
Well, this should help calm things down. :rolleyes:
Reuters is reporting a group of three Asian Muslim men were run down in the street and killed while protecting their neighborhood from looters after attending Ramadan prayers at a local mosque (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/10/us-britain-riot-idUSTRE7760G820110810)
Interesting that both the BBC and New York Times accounts of the same incident either downplay or fail to mention the men were Muslim (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14471405 and http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/11/world/europe/11britain.html?ref=world).
The men's religion may have nothing to do with the hit-and-run incident, but it is surely an angle which could be easily exploited by those motivated to incite further unrest.
Wonder how those London 2012 Summer Olympics tickets are selling?
my inlaws were from London got out and moved to Canada some time ago and as he says so glad that he is not in that country and its sad to have seen it go so badly downhill shortly after WWII it started going and in the 80s and 90s started plummeting big time !
now he does not even want to visit anymore
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/FN_FAL_Katrina.jpg
GermanSynergy
08-10-11, 09:13
How would the Brits handle this situation if it was the Irish rioting?
montanadave
08-10-11, 09:52
Aye, tis a sad state of affairs when we be waxin' nostalgic for the Troubles.
My British colleagues have all remarked that we are lucky to be able to defend ourselves and property from scum like this. When I tell them I am from Arizona they all say "the Wild West". :D
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/FN_FAL_Katrina.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html
"Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters"
By Max Hastings
Most have no jobs to go to or exams they might pass. They know no family role models, for most live in homes in which the father is unemployed, or from which he has decamped.
They are illiterate and innumerate, beyond maybe some dexterity with computer games and BlackBerries.
They are essentially wild beasts. I use that phrase advisedly, because it seems appropriate to young people bereft of the discipline that might make them employable; of the conscience that distinguishes between right and wrong.
They respond only to instinctive animal impulses — to eat and drink, have sex, seize or destroy the accessible property of others.
Their behaviour on the streets resembled that of the polar bear which attacked a Norwegian tourist camp last week. They were doing what came naturally and, unlike the bear, no one even shot them for it.
I'd just like to add, that if this happened in Arizona, the headlines would have read "Rioters Massacred" or "Bloodbath! Vigilantes turn phoenix into a free fire zone, liberals squirm as Sheriff Joe beats, jails survivors."
VooDoo6Actual
08-10-11, 19:37
The unfortunate truth is: they want to do away w/ private firearms ownership. Which will create a Police State endgame & then they realize they have less rights and then tyranny & ONLY then they figure it out after they have been disarmed.
hence the term LIBTARD....
An armed society is a politer society...
When the people fear government that's tyranny, when the governement fears the people that's liberty...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2024284/UK-riots-2011-Liberal-dogma-spawned-generation-brutalised-youths.html
"Years of liberal dogma have spawned a generation of amoral, uneducated, welfare dependent, brutalised youngsters"
By Max Hastings
Good read. I saw on the news a family shop, run for generations burned to the ground for no reason at all. It makes me sick. Probably hundreds of stories like that.
Great, I'll be flying into Manchester Sept 24 then taking the train north to Harrogate to visit a buddy of mine from here who is stationed there.
You know Hereford is only 192 miles from Harrogate. Do you think you could buzz over and tell me what color the boathouse there really is?
love the anarchist idiots who think they can do what they want cause they are allowed ? like those idiots dancing in that place that is supposed to be quiet and sacred ? forgot the name of it
but would love to say/ask so you believe in anarchy or the sense you can do what you want and not worry about others ? and have them say yes !!
then proceed to start pounding the living crap out of them saying well this is what I want to do how does it feel now ya punk and go to town on them :)
of course we can not do this YET :) but the day will come when they realize it can go both ways
Whenever I have to deal with some idiot who advocates anarchy, I use the following phrases:
"Anarchy is the strong ruling the weak. Anarchy is your seventh-grade gym class for all eternity. Welcome to wedgie-ville, nerd."
Belmont31R
08-11-11, 11:02
love the anarchist idiots who think they can do what they want cause they are allowed ? like those idiots dancing in that place that is supposed to be quiet and sacred ? forgot the name of it
but would love to say/ask so you believe in anarchy or the sense you can do what you want and not worry about others ? and have them say yes !!
then proceed to start pounding the living crap out of them saying well this is what I want to do how does it feel now ya punk and go to town on them :)
of course we can not do this YET :) but the day will come when they realize it can go both ways
Most of these "anarchists" are died in the wool communists. They want anarchy to bring down western capitalism and then impose hard core communism. This is why they protest things like the World Trade Organization and the G8/G20 meetings.
Most of these "anarchists" are died in the wool communists. They want anarchy to bring down western capitalism and then impose hard core communism. This is why they protest things like the World Trade Organization and the G8/G20 meetings.
Right on target. For the people making comments about "anarchists" and the like I think you should do a little reading on the subject before you prove your ignorance. Most of what I would consider true anarchists are people who want to live without a government and rule of law that rules their citizens through force or the threat of violence. These punk ass kids, and police officers, who are destroying property, vandalizing and assaulting people are not anarchists, they're social deviants.
Most of these "anarchists" are died in the wool communists. They want anarchy to bring down western capitalism and then impose hard core communism. This is why they protest things like the World Trade Organization and the G8/G20 meetings.
Pretty much sums it up. You don't need to know much about what is going on, simply look back at the Communist/Socialist revolts of the late 19th/early 20th centuries.
About the only joy I am getting out of watching this is shutting up those smug Europeans who always brag about how peaceful and quasi-utopian their countries are.
Most of these "anarchists" are died in the wool communists. They want anarchy to bring down western capitalism and then impose hard core communism. This is why they protest things like the World Trade Organization and the G8/G20 meetings.
yuppy for sure and I do think many of them are not even real communists just followers and punks looking for a excuse to do things and also just looking for a free handout cause they are to lazy to work etc..
Like Irish said deviants at best
I do think the leaders are more true to destroy the system where the groupie followers are punks
woodandsteel
08-11-11, 12:38
I'm not a follower of Ann Coulter. But I think she may be on to something with her commentary on the matter.
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2011-08-10.html
Inciting violent mobs is the essence of the left's agenda: Promote class warfare, illegitimate children and an utterly debased citizenry
10 well armed men could have stop that riot in an afternoon.
RancidSumo
08-11-11, 13:29
A lot of the comments in this thread about anarchists are retarded.
First you get a bunch of stupid little punks that don't know anything about anything, and really just need to be shot in the face so they will quit stealing my oxygen, running around claiming to be anarchists.
Then you get a bunch of people who don't have the sense or the intelligence to understand (or bother to look up) what true anarchists believe in so they say things like "anarchists are garbage with feet" and make themselves look like retards as well.
The origin of the word anarchy, according to Merriam-Webster, is:
Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek, from anarchos having no ruler, from an- + archos ruler
What is wrong with that? What makes people like many in this institute- mises.org walking garbage?
Do me a favor and go look up the definition of anarchy and then tell me why exactly you hate anarchists based on the definition of what they believe in.
It usually is a bad idea to open your mouth and start spewing bullshit before you even know what you are talking about...
If the Brits don't want to stand up and bust some heads, that place will be Zimbabwe in a few years.
RancidSumo
08-11-11, 13:32
No offense intended, but I'm not interested.
I am. If you get a chance Irish, could you PM me those links or at least an idea of where to start searching?
Thanks
VooDoo6Actual
08-11-11, 13:41
Pretty much sums it up. You don't need to know much about what is going on, simply look back at the Communist/Socialist revolts of the late 19th/early 20th centuries.
About the only joy I am getting out of watching this is shutting up those smug Europeans who always brag about how peaceful and quasi-utopian their countries are.
The problem is that in our very own country with our current situation, it is not only possible BUT equally probable that these types of people may be the ones that jeopardize our very rights here due to the errosion and decaying financial situation.
Think about it letting in undesirables in our country w/o FED enforcement to stack the deck two ways. Get the nanny state vote and all along knowing they are the type of cadre that will attack the system once it does not serve their interests.
The architects KNOW that & understand human behavior VERY well.
Would not be the first time that idiots screw it up for the good folk.
The facts are real Estate market is not in a good place, Government owns a lot more property than it used to (Gov. owns the banks) there may be spots or small bright spots but nationwide it is down.... ONLY foreclosure business is brisk STILL.....
I call that a clue....
Belmont31R
08-11-11, 13:44
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism
http://aphs.worldnomads.com/safetyhub/12392/greek_flag_anarchy.jpg
The problem is that in our very own country with our current situation, it is not only possible BUT equally probable that these types of people may be the ones that jeopardize our very rights here due to the errosion and decaying financial situation.
Think about it letting in undesirables in our country w/o FED enforcement to stack the deck two ways. Get the nanny state vote and all along knowing they are the type of cadre that will attack the system once it does not serve their interests.
The architects KNOW that & understand human behavior VERY well.
Would not be the first time that idiots screw it up for the good folk.
The facts are real Estate market is not in a good place, Government owns a lot more property than it used to (Gov. owns the banks) there may be spots or small bright spots but nationwide it is down.... ONLY foreclosure business is brisk STILL.....
I call that a clue....
Can't agree more. To quote a phrase - "From out of Chaos -- Order."
This has been done before.
RancidSumo
08-11-11, 15:22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Murray_Rothbard.jpg
I can do that too and its a pretty different image so maybe if people are going to make idiotic comments, they should restrict them to "anarcho-communism". Speaking of anarcho-communism, how can that even work? Anarchy, a system in which there is no government or "ruler" and communism, where everything is collectively owned. What happens if I don't want to share? Is someone going to make me? If they do, that isn't really anarchy and they are just imposing themselves as the ruler and doing what all government does, "beating, hanging, and killing".
That is a retarded system that requires everyone within society to agree to share all of their goods and labor or it won't work. However, if you read through the article you posted, it specifically says that they do not believe in making their system work through force and in fact believe that force is not necessary to bring it about/maintain it.
EDIT: At first I said that the rioters were not part of that belief system because of their use of force, I read more in the article and found that throughout history, these people have used force to try to bring about a revolution. Because of this, their philosophy is not even consistent from part to part so it is not possible for anyone to really believe in all of its parts while carrying them out.
A lot of the comments in this thread about anarchists are retarded.
First you get a bunch of stupid little punks that don't know anything about anything, and really just need to be shot in the face so they will quit stealing my oxygen, running around claiming to be anarchists.
Then you get a bunch of people who don't have the sense or the intelligence to understand (or bother to look up) what true anarchists believe in so they say things like "anarchists are garbage with feet" and make themselves look like retards as well.
The origin of the word anarchy, according to Merriam-Webster, is:
What is wrong with that? What makes people like many in this institute- mises.org walking garbage?
Do me a favor and go look up the definition of anarchy and then tell me why exactly you hate anarchists based on the definition of what they believe in.
It usually is a bad idea to open your mouth and start spewing bullshit before you even know what you are talking about...
since I opened my mouth with my comment :) not sure if I was pointed to
what I said is true these punks think they can do what they want but dont realize it goes both ways so when I take out my weapon of choice and deal with them !!!! the next group would want to ban my gun or take it away !
that is the irony of these punks they dont understand it
they think their rights are to do what they want ? yet wont apply to the other side so they feel safe drop them in a true anarchy situation they would be in serious trouble
hope that makes sense
dealing with these so called anarchists by shooting them I can guarantee they would come back and try to stop you from doing what you want for some stupid reason ? and try to use law or rules to stop you ? thats how stupid these punks we are talking about are
its like the wanabee nazi youth that drive a Japanese made car ? that is the same class of these so called anarchists that are not anarchists they are punks ! I am sure their are those pulling strings that want to be dictators in some sense :) so really cant see any TRUE anarchy going on here that is why I try to say the "So Called Anarchist"
Kinda like the wanabee nazi youth driving a Japanese car and like in the movie "American History X" when he goes to prison finds out the so called nazis do things the real nazis would kill them for !!!
if these punks I guess I am saying met up with real anarchists the outcome would not be what they bargained for :)
dookie1481
08-11-11, 15:35
You know Hereford is only 192 miles from Harrogate. Do you think you could buzz over and tell me what color the boathouse there really is?
"What color IS the boathouse at Hereford?"
"How the **** should I know?"
Belmont31R
08-11-11, 15:40
Im not really sure what you're even arguing against. You keep making vague refrences to idiotic statements...then why don't you address them so we know what you are talking about?
RancidSumo
08-11-11, 16:26
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FromMyColdDeadHand
08-11-11, 17:19
10 well armed men could have stop that riot in an afternoon.
Or one Texas Ranger ;)
I saw some pictures of Englishmen with brooms showing up to help clean the streets. Cheeky bastards!
The whole London thing has been interesting. Got me thinking of all the shirts you see with "Security" in big yellow letters on the back. I was thinking about getting some made that said:
SECURITY
---Is your own personal responsibility---
I am. If you get a chance Irish, could you PM me those links or at least an idea of where to start searching?
I don't have a lot of time today to pull out all the stops but here's a few interesting things to note... Most of these "anarchists" and the violence and destruction that's shown in the media is way overhyped and is used to discredit legitimate protests as seen here from the 2009 G20. A dozen photogs snapping away as 1 person goes full retard on some windows at a bank and this would be front page news.
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4319/45623824rbswindowpa2.jpg
I know these coppers are Canadian "eh!" but the tactics are the same. Notice anything similar about what they're wearing on their feet? Coincidence?
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4273/230807shoes.jpg
Here's the video of the incident: http://youtu.be/St1-WTc1kow
Here's the Canadian Gov admitting they're cops: http://youtu.be/gAfzUOx53Rg
Coincidentally people dressed like "black bloc anarchists" run behind police lines at G20. How many undercovers are in the protest anyway?
http://youtu.be/szQK4sMN4pw
The UK version here: http://www.channel4.com/news/undercover-police-officer-was-agent-provocateur
Another video example in the UK: http://youtu.be/-GP_-9VmB54
They use the same techniques in Spain: http://roarmag.org/2011/06/riot-police-barcelona-infiltrate-protest-provoke-violence/
FBI trained agent provocateur. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9A5GCC80&show_article=1
The famous Kent State incident had an FBI agent provocateur fire the first shots which resulted in 4 people getting killed. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/04/new-light-shed-on-kent-state-killings/?page=2
Hal Turner "Valhalla" was another FBI agent provocateur and a far right-wing undercover snitch if you'd like to Google him.
The people who are causing destruction of property and mayhem are a TINY contingent of people that the media focuses on and it detracts from any sort of real issue that citizens may be protesting.
Often times police are in riot gear without badges, nametags or numbers so that they could possibly be identified later, I call bullshit. Are there wacko assholes out there dressed in black tearing shit up? It appears that there are but who are they? And you can see in many videos that the police stand back and let them do it. Some may be citizens, arrest them, and some may be cops trying to incite riots and mayhem as it does work in their favor. More crime, mayhem, looting = needing more police and gives them more laws to have more control.
I have faith that the vast majority of police are the good guys and I'm not slandering them in anyway. I'm simply trying to present facts and help educate people as to the ways of their government. YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED.
dealing with these so called anarchists by shooting them I can guarantee they would come back and try to stop you from doing what you want for some stupid reason ? and try to use law or rules to stop you ? thats how stupid these punks we are talking about are
So you're saying shoot cops right? If not then read my last post and read every link and watch every video then report back. Things are not always as they first appear.
polymorpheous
08-11-11, 17:41
YOU ARE BEING MANIPULATED.
Nuff said!
I forgot about the DNC convention in Denver 2008. http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10918033
When a Jefferson County deputy deployed pepper spray into a crowd during the first night of the Democratic National Convention, he did not know that his targets were undercover Denver police officers...
"The actions of the undercover detectives on Aug. 25, 2008, may have had the effect of exacerbating an already 'tense situation,' as their feigned struggle led nearby officers and the public to believe that a commanding officer was being attacked by protesters and that the situation necessitated the use of chemical agents," says the letter, written by ACLU staff attorney Taylor Pendergrass.
"Such actions may have escalated the overall situation by causing officers on the scene to fear that the protesters threatened their safety, when in fact, the struggle was only between uniformed officers and undercover officers," he wrote.
There's plenty more out there if you want to use your Google-Fu. Have a good day everyone.
So you're saying shoot cops right? If not then read my last post and read every link and watch every video then report back. Things are not always as they first appear.
yes and no I guess ? I know things are not as they seem but at the same time if I owned a store I have rights to and if I was in threat I have rights to they want anarchy some of them say ? do they really know what it means that it cuts both ways I guess is what I am saying
BS like planted cops and such doing anything to incite is just wrong IMHO
if I owned a store and someone started smashing my windows and it was a cop ? oh well a cop is just a person with a job in that situation and a cop should not be breaking out MY windows ! that is more my point with what you posted above and if that happened you bet next time around something would change and they would not get away with that !
another example not shooting but say shining your boots on some of them you are at a nice monument and some ass hats start chanting and dancing when you and family are their and you say please respect this be quiet they say F U I have the right to do this its a free world I can do whatever I want where ever I want ! I say then well I have the same rights in my eyes to shine my boots on your face
in reality if that happens those fake anarchist types would be running away or crying etc. or they are fakes ! and then try to call the law on you ? the same law they say does not exist when they want to do something !
hope that makes more sense ? I am not saying shoot them in the sense you open fire on a crowd ! no way I am saying defend yourself or do the same they do and see what happens !
hard for me to put in words I guess :)
I guess if you had a store and inventory and wanted to protect it
and a guy in a mask started smashing your windows coming in the store what would you do ?
in reality not sure I wold be their my life is worth more and I would use insurance but say you got caught their not knowing its coming
what then ?
I do agree about the media and hype
my brother got arrested in the G20 riots of Seattle years ago !
why how ?
he is a lawyer and was sadly caught up in it on the streets outside work as the crowds past through and he was standing their some cop grabbed him cause he did not run etc.. and was a easy grab I guess ?
typical BS and agree it was a handful
the recent Canadian Riots in Vancouver my brother in law said most know it was a small group all ready not even at the game masks ready to incite and turn things up and they did it ?
I do think most of these protests are incited by or for a goal and some get caught up in the violence and most do not and many are just their to see it ?
no matter what though seems to be getting out of hand and they need to crack down on the groups that do the inciting
and what the heck are police doing lifting a finger behind the scenes they should only be their to identify and then testify against the inciters
"What color IS the boathouse at Hereford?"
"How the **** should I know?"
:D
Precisely.
Does anyone think that if the U.K had similar gun laws like we have in the U.S that things would be different? Would these roaming gangs of people be more hesitant if shopkeepers pulled a deal like some did during the Rodney King riots?
All of my colleagues live somewhere in the U.K and some of them in the London area. Many of them are appalled at the situation and some of them believe that it is the tying of hands of the police that is allowing this to happen.
Yep....as a former Brit soldier I completely agree with them too. The tying of hands, constant police cutbacks and nanny state mentality full of do-gooding pricks is exactly what allowed this to escalate over 4 days. It's not as though the British police don't know what to do...for years they have dealt with rioting Irish troubles related protagonists, football hooligans etc. The whole watercannon/baton round issue for instance - plenty of them around, been used effectively for years in Northern Ireland. The whole deliberation about using the same effective tactics in London cost them dear. The power to make those tactical decisions has effectively been taken away from incident controllers and made political.
The gun laws....if circumstances were different I believe you are damn right the roaming gangs would have been deterred....nothing like getting shot at to put that quest for a new plasma TV on hold :)
But even if that were the case....the namby pamby do-gooders in the UK have basically served to stack the laws in favor of the criminals these days. There is quite a famous case in the UK where a farmer shot two thieving bastards as they came to rob him....he was absolutely dragged through the wringer for it where at the end of the day if they were not stealing his stuff, they would not have gotten shot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_%28farmer%29. It is disgusting that the right of self defense has effectively been stripped away to nothing in the UK.
Could similar riots happen here in the US - of course, they already have/do, as mentioned by others on this thread. Same kind of piece of shit lowlifes exist here as well as in the rest of the world. While I do believe that thankfully the laws here for the most part do still at least allow for a more decisive response in most parts of the country....the same politically correct 21st century human rights bullshit mentality still pervades to a degree. This is really exacerbated by the pricks on CNN etc who are all hellbent on showing "Police brutality" and the like, where in reality the way to deal with riots like this requires good old 70s/80s skull cracking policing tactics. Whether it be in the US, UK or anywhere else in the Western World, the media today has way too much influence and causes those guys and gals on the ground to have pause for thought about every action they take lest they end up on the receiving end of a witch hunt/lawsuit - a really bad situation, IMHO.
Do criminals in England have any civil liberties to lose, like felons here in the states, or does everyone there have pretty much nothing to lose, other than property?
I'm starting to think the further away from freedom and liberty a society goes, the worse crime gets. From my very limited perspective there doesn't seem to be much difference between how law abiding citizens and criminals are treated over there.
LOL....I find these kind of comments quite funny, they always seem to crop up on these kinds of discussions :)
Despite what I said above, in reality Britain is still far from an evil communist socialist shithole where people are somehow "not free". You are free to do what you want.....some might say too free actually, with the way too soft benefits and free health care on offer. Sure, some laws (especially those regarding firearms!) are more stringent than they are here, but I can assure you there's still a huge proportion hard working people enjoying everything a modern democratic first world country has to offer, despite what the media might try to tell you ;) The UK tabloid press is the absolute worst and most self destructive on the planet (as evidenced recently by the Rupert Murdock scandal).
A few different posts have touched up on what the problem is.
1. Decades of socialism and they don't have the money anymore.
A. They are ineffectual and have taken the pride & independence out of the people.
B. They got everyone hooked on free everything, and now they can't keep paying for it.
2. Mass immigration into Europe from the 3rd world.
A. Immigrants are not adopting their host country as theirs, and taking in their languages, values, and ideology. They setup little versions of their own country. The problem with that is their home country is a 3rd world shit hole. Our early immigrants came from civilized societies with similar values to our own. Mass immigration by the 3rd world means you setup 3rd world ghettos in a civilized society. Our early immigrants had a shared lifestyle, value system, basic religious tenets, ect.
I believe it was sometime in the 50's or 60's where we basically cut off western European immigration to a trickle, and started in with the 3rd worlders. I know my family came here in 1948 from Holland. Now, unless its by marriage, it would be virtually impossible for that to happen now. Read about the rural towns who have been taken over by Somali immigrants, and its bound to happen here sooner or later on a scale like this. On my second deployment all our interpreters were trying to take part in a program to get US citizenship. Its friggen unreal. The west is committing mass suicide. When I was in Germany no one liked the turks. They had their own sections of towns that were "theirs". They don't give a shit about Germany or German culture. Read about the the rape epidemic in Sweden. Some once thriving and nice towns there are overrun with middle easterners, and where crime was scare the numbers have exploded particularly sexual crimes against natives.
While what that guy in Norway did was appalling I believe this is what he was fighting against (in his mind). I suspect as more of this goes on the nationalistic side is going to become more prevalent. Only so many people are going to sit by why their towns get taken over by the 3rd world, drugs become rampant, and their daughters get raped on their way home from school because some muslim thug thinks raping a non muslim woman isn't wrong. They go out on the streets destroying entire blocks because the natives aren't as accepting of them as they want, they want to be given jobs instead of doing it on their own, and they are basically holding their host countries hostage. Unless you appease them and think everything they do is ok they'll burn the place down.
Causes.....I agree with most of that apart from the "socialism" bit - this seems to be to be quite a big misconception among Americans that the UK is somehow the next USSR or something. When you boil it right down, there is very little difference between lowlife living in an English "sink estate" on welfare than there is a bunch of lowlife living in the US "projects" on welfare.....they are very similar people. The UK system might provide for a bit more.....but its essentially a very similar scenario.
The US welfare system makes the UK's look 3rd rate.
The US welfare system makes the UK's look 3rd rate.
In what way
If you are "poor" (IE earning very little "reportable" income) you can get...
Thousands of dollars for free food
Nearly free housing pretty much anywhere
Many states will give you a free car with free auto repairs
Free healthcare
Free cell phone (funded by the 15% hidden tax on all TV/internet/phone coverage you've had since 1996)
Even more free stuff if you're a poor "single mom" (IE a whore)
Plus you have 10-20k worth of spending cash, not counting what you earn illegally
Getting a 9 to 5 paying 30-60k a year doesn't hold a candle to that benefit package. I'm pretty sure the UK isn't this lavish. If you're on the dole you have to go to a hospital and wait like everyone else.
If you are "poor" (IE earning very little "reportable" income) you can get...
Thousands of dollars for free food
Nearly free housing pretty much anywhere
Many states will give you a free car with free auto repairs
Free healthcare
Free cell phone (funded by the 15% hidden tax on all TV/internet/phone coverage you've had since 1996)
Even more free stuff if you're a poor "single mom" (IE a whore)
Plus you have 10-20k worth of spending cash, not counting what you earn illegally
Getting a 9 to 5 paying 30-60k a year doesn't hold a candle to that benefit package. I'm pretty sure the UK isn't this lavish. If you're on the dole you have to go to a hospital and wait like everyone else.
plus one. the last "single mom" i had to deal with didnt understand her WIC benefits, but checked the time on her steve jobs phone that was in her Louis - damn thing was big enough to smuggle a guatemalan family into the country.
Reading an article this morning and this stood out.
What were the British thinking when they threw open their doors to mass immigration from the Third World?
Over centuries, they had failed to assimilate a few million Irish, who were European Christians. So, having failed to assimilate the Irish, they decided to invite in millions of Hindus and Muslims from South Asia, Arabs from the Middle East, Africans from the sub-Sahara, black folks from the Caribbean.
But with no common faith or culture to hold the nation together, Britain is coming apart. Multiculturalism has "utterly failed," said Germany's Angela Merkel, only to be echoed by Nicolas Sarkozy and David Cameron.
Is multiculturalism a success here? Or does the sudden eruption of flash mobs suggest that the curtain has begun to be pulled back on diversity's dark side here in America?
http://lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan179.html
If you are "poor" (IE earning very little "reportable" income) you can get...
Thousands of dollars for free food
Nearly free housing pretty much anywhere
Many states will give you a free car with free auto repairs
Free healthcare
Free cell phone (funded by the 15% hidden tax on all TV/internet/phone coverage you've had since 1996)
Even more free stuff if you're a poor "single mom" (IE a whore)
Plus you have 10-20k worth of spending cash, not counting what you earn illegally
Getting a 9 to 5 paying 30-60k a year doesn't hold a candle to that benefit package. I'm pretty sure the UK isn't this lavish. If you're on the dole you have to go to a hospital and wait like everyone else.
Oh, I don't know....I think it is very similar when you get real "welfare pros" on the case, nomatter which side of the atlantic you are on. Here's an example of a UK family on $70k a year of "free money".....:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1266649/Theyre-family-Mercedes-drive-getting-42-000-year-benefits-Scroungers-AMANDA-PLATELL-meets-them.html
my take on it now that I have rellies as they call them over their and Canada both sides of family in the US also
the UK is just the same as the US in most ways with a few things being different such as legal system but the daily living grind is about the same they are just a few years ahead of us and at a higher cost
when you look at the UK history they had crossed roads we did but much earlier they are what we are going to become if things keep going thats how are family sees it mostly
the welfare state that my rellies mention seems about like ours with many taking advantage
I loved going to the UK back in the 80s
I remember seeing the Clash in Brixton in 1981 :) great time great people etc..
these days ? sucks in most places but then again our cities suck in most places these days but were fun in the early 80s ?
I say we are quite parallel with the UK :)
U.K. riots: London Olympics ambassador Chelsea Ives turned in as brick-thrower ... by her own mother
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/08/12/2011-08-12_uk_riots_london_olympics_ambassador_chelsea_ives_turned_in_as_brickthrower__by_h.html#ixzz1UrRT9fnW
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=7025
- Obviously the usual spin on this, but I have to say I wholeheartedly agree - and many people living in the UK will be of the same opinion right now.
http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/12/7356401-where-are-the-guns-a-texans-take-on-the-uk-riots
As everyone in the newsroom debated the use of force – whether to use rubber bullets, tear gas, water cannons, Tasers, even bean-bag guns – I wondered why they were wasting their breath.
“If your cops had guns, day number 2, 3, 4 and 5 of this, it would NOT have happened!” I said at a recent meeting.
People stopped talking and looked at me. A couple giggled. Those who know me weren’t too horrified, but others stared at me like I’d just drop-kicked a puppy.
Moose-Knuckle
08-13-11, 00:41
Great reads all gents, thanks for the links.
http://lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan179.html
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Fe...d.aspx?id=7025
http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news...n-the-uk-riots
ThirdWatcher
08-13-11, 01:24
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You take exception with (my) post 28? Well I'm not interested in your trolling nonsense either... now fire away.
It sure seems like a lot of threads get hijacked in the General Discussion part of this forum. The OP asked if anyone thought if we could see this (riots like those in the UK) could happen here and pretty soon it gets to governmental misconduct. I'll not except any of the blame you seek to place because I conduct business ethically and my coworkers do as well.
RancidSumo
08-13-11, 02:02
What I take issue with is your damnation of anarchists on the grounds that they are out there causing riots when in reality, the people rioting are nothing but common thugs with no actual moral or political stances. The reason post #28 was on that list is because after you made that claim, you weren't interested in the facts.
I am not blaming you for anything so I don't know where that even came from.
Belmont31R
08-13-11, 02:52
Causes.....I agree with most of that apart from the "socialism" bit - this seems to be to be quite a big misconception among Americans that the UK is somehow the next USSR or something. When you boil it right down, there is very little difference between lowlife living in an English "sink estate" on welfare than there is a bunch of lowlife living in the US "projects" on welfare.....they are very similar people. The UK system might provide for a bit more.....but its essentially a very similar scenario.
Id say...
A suspected looter in this week’s riots and his mother are being thrown out of their council home.
In the first case of its kind, Daniel Sartain-Clarke, 18, and his mother have been served with an eviction notice as council bosses seek to turf them out of their £225,000 taxpayer-subsidised flat.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024605/UK-riots-Daniel-Sartain-Clarkes-family-evicted-Wandsworth-Council.html#ixzz1UtRLZcck
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024605/UK-riots-Daniel-Sartain-Clarkes-family-evicted-Wandsworth-Council.html#ixzz1Us7j9Gww
225k pounds = 366,270.55 USD
ThirdWatcher
08-13-11, 05:39
The reason post #28 was on that list is because after you made that claim, you weren't interested in the facts.
It really is none of your business what other forum members choose to spend their free time doing (unless it's something illegal). I would accept no "proof" at face value and I just don't have the time to investigate any allegations properly.
Take a lesson from the Libertarians: Live and Let Live.
good idea to kick them out of their place ! and I say take them off the dole and let them fend for themselves if caught again give them housing in jail !
VooDoo6Actual
08-14-11, 19:16
Michael Rupperts take on it.....Ex Police Officer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v-ZXOOvpxsY
http://www.france24.com/en/20110806-middle-east-israel-protesters-flood-tel-aviv-demanding-action-on-living-costs
http://reportergary.com/
http://yourguidetoisrael.com/2011/08/tent-city-tel-aviv-protests/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4108274,00.html
http://972mag.com/jewish-tahrir-israel-witnessing-mass-protests/
http://thedisgruntleddiner.blogspot.com/2011/07/tel-aviv-tent-city-tale-of-two-steaks.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96JcxU69hS0&feature=player_detailpage
VooDoo6Actual
08-15-11, 10:49
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/in-online-forums-islamic-militants-urge-rioters-in-britain-to-topple-government/2011/08/10/gIQAmpbc6I_story.html
Moose-Knuckle
08-16-11, 01:30
HOP, combined with the links that you have provided, the "Arab Spring", London, Tel Aviv, all the flash mobs here in CONUS, Greece, et al. . .
Here is one of the wizards behind the curtain that discovered and fine tuned Barry Obama for POTUS.
Francis Fox Piven – January 10/17, 2011 The Nation column titled “Mobilizing the Jobless” So where are the angry crowds, the demonstrations, sit-ins and unruly mobs? After all, the injustice is apparent. Working people are losing their homes and their pensions while robber-baron CEOs report renewed profits and windfall bonuses. Shouldn’t the unemployed be on the march? Why aren’t they demanding enhanced safety net protections and big initiatives to generate jobs?
Piven - 'It is ok to use violence as long as it is a BIG part of your strategy'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvINNajtCQ&feature=player_embedded#at=15
Another domino falls into place. . .
4x4twenty6
08-16-11, 04:12
Mooseknuckle:
WOW! She is calling for the very people that vote like her to march and show force for their cause.
What is she going to do when alot of those people get "eliminated". Not good for their party or their way of thinking. Oh sure the left will martyr them for eternity by printing it in the history books but that will only leave more of us and less of them.
Oh well, all we can say is that our way thinking actually tried to help them and free them from being the governments slaves.
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