View Full Version : Photo request: Noveske Crusader 12.5" builds
I've been hearing great things about this barrel and would like to see what it looks like completed.
I'm thinking hard about this one, pairing it with a Stag lower, DD 10" rail, and a TA33 ACOG.
Found this thread with upper-only pics:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=898
Thanks.
Derek_Connor
11-03-07, 08:41
Standard Cool Guy Parts:
12.5 Noveske with pinned GB
Stealth Upper
Larue Rail
OPS 15inch Brake/Can
Meopta 1-4x/Aimpoint depending of the mood
Performance: NO malfunctions, except one popped primer on guat ammo that really locked the gun up. Accuracy is way above what is needed for an SBR, nice balance with the can, its my do it all weapon.
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3051/receiptforconnorderek8ntj1.jpg
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/541/dsc07122largegc8.jpg
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/421/dsc07129largegl2.jpg
Here's mine direct from Noveske.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g99/vinesr6/1018.jpg
Thanks for the photos. Beautiful guns.
Tell me about the compensators.
Derek_Connor
11-03-07, 13:55
Thanks for the photos. Beautiful guns.
Tell me about the compensators.
Mine is the standard OPS brake that comes with any of the suppressors you buy...
Effective brake, they also can come with a A2 Birdcage or a phantom style FH instead of the brake..
I believe vines6r's is a surefire compensator? correct me if i am wrong...and he can mount a surefire can over that..
Derek's correct it's the full size Surefire brake. I'm a few bills short of ordering the Surefire can...;)
The Crusader is my absolute favorite Noveske barrel. I have switched to this set up as my primary carbine instead of my Afghan 14.5. I love the handiness of this package. I have heard many stories of this barrel's incredible accuracy and true or not, for me this thing is a laser.
We chronographed some M855 the other day and the Crusader was within 125-150 fps of a Colt M4 14.5. Not a bad trade for the compactness.
I love Sully stocks and am pretty much abandoning folders on all of my rifles.
The iron sights are HK MP7s. That I got them was a minor miracle. They are very KAC 300m rear-folding front like and are just the finest irons for this type of rifle I have ever used.
LT Stealth upper, LT 11.0, PWA lower and GTS ion bond BCG (highly recommended) round out the rifle.
The optics were way overkill and defeat the purpose of having such a compact weapon. LT iron dot or Aimpoint micro would be ideal.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/conndcj/IMG_0039.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/conndcj/IMG_0038.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/conndcj/IMG_0037.jpg
Slick!
the Aimpoint Micro would be the front-runner for a red dot sight, after fondling one at Modern Day Marine. The TA33 is still pretty compact for a 3X optic, however.
Derek_Connor
11-03-07, 16:54
The optics were way overkill and defeat the purpose of having such a compact weapon. LT iron dot or Aimpoint micro would be ideal.
I was just discussing this details and performance of a 12.5 bbl with a trainer today...we both really enjoy the 12.5 length, balance, and FPS you can get, especially from the Noveske
There isn't much you cannot do with a 12.5 SS noveske barrel. While it is technically a SBR, it can mount most popular suppressors easily as long as low pro gas block is installed (SPR/M4, 15/16 OPS models, Surefire Fullsize, KAC etc)
It is balanced with the can, with a 1-4x optic you can make more precise shots out to 300-350meters.
Or you can treat like a real SBR, put an aimpoint on it, and go.
But do not discount the accuracy you can get from these 12.5inchers, i think *limiting* it JUST to an aimpoint is doing it a diservice. Some type of magnification really exploits the capabilities of the 12.5 Noveske barrels...IMHO
Here is mine,
http://members.cox.net/mfs1589/WW12.5%20(5)1.JPG
cohiba -
I think I have seen that blaster somewhere else.;)
cohiba -
I think I have seen that blaster somewhere else.;)
Whatever do you mean? ;) Stay safe my MC brother.
Derek, think I'll give a Short Dot a try tomorrow on it. I've been thinking about what you said. Or perhaps an EoTech which is my favorite anyway. We'll see.
Very nice build Mfs1589, what light do you plan to mount on there.
The 12.5 Crusader in 6.8SPC is a very nice, very accurate barrel. I just wish they'd go to a 1:11 twist. I have a 12" 1:11 twist WOA in 6.8SPC inbound - it'll be interesting to see how it performs with SSA's combat loads and my hotter handloads.
Anyway, here's my SBR with the Crusader installed. Surefire can is in process with ATF. The brake works very well, by the way.
http://www.visuality.com/personal/6_8/68_t1_boar_800.jpg
http://www.visuality.com/personal/6_8/68_t1_flat800.jpg
Never seen anyone mount a micro aimpoint to the side that way, how do you shoot with it that way. And by the way Awesome build, I love that brake on the tube it looks very efective.
Never seen anyone mount a micro aimpoint to the side that way, how do you shoot with it that way. And by the way Awesome build, I love that brake on the tube it looks very efective.
Roll the rifle to the left to bring the Micro into line of sight. You never even break cheekweld, and it takes less than a second to acquire the sight picture because there is no parallax. The T-1 serves as backup to my main IOR scope, and only comes into play in situations where the IOR reticle is not ideal (dark but no time to switch on illum, normal cheekweld not possible, etc). I greatly prefer the IOR reticle - when it's visible, it is quite fast for me close in and the mil-calibrated ladder makes holdovers easy. YMMV, of course.
Thanks for the reply and good pics send more soon!
My Coyote Slayer:
Colt 6721 rebarreled with 12.5" Noveske. I cut a Knight's full lenght FF tube down as close as I could get it to the suppressor w/o it touching. FWIW, my 12.5" Noveske is absolutely crazy accurate.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q153/hootiewho6933/DSC02661.jpg
Here is mine built by my friend Steve at http://www.Adcofirearms.com (http://Adcofirearms.con).
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8465/125noveskevis2003uh2.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7531/125noveskevis2002uf3.jpg
Here is mine built by my friend Steve at http://Adcofirearms.con.
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8465/125noveskevis2003uh2.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7531/125noveskevis2002uf3.jpg
That sir, is rather bad-ass :cool:
chrismartin
11-14-07, 21:07
12.5" Noveske, AAC M4-1000, LaRue 9.0
http://web.mac.com/chrismartin/Gun_Stuff/AAC_M4-1000_files/Media/IMG_0894/web.jpg
AAC and LaRue together? nice. Never thought I'd see that after the post-SHOT08 drama.
Pardon the ignorance, but it looks like a lot of these rifles have really long muzzle brakes that defeat the purpose of a short barrel and hit us civvies with a $200 tax stamp. Or are they that way so that they're 16" barrels?
chrismartin
11-14-07, 22:00
AAC and LaRue together? nice. Never thought I'd see that after the post-SHOT08 drama.
Funny, huh? Especially recently, yet another blow up. Plus, Noveske and LaRue don't get along any more (Thread posted on LaRue's industry section on ToS) All three together!
Pardon the ignorance, but it looks like a lot of these rifles have really long muzzle brakes that defeat the purpose of a short barrel and hit us civvies with a $200 tax stamp. Or are they that way so that they're 16" barrels?
The blackout flash hider on mine is around 2-3" long. The M4-1000 adds a total of 4.75" to the weapon, taking it up to a 17.25" barrel. I chose the 12.5" because it was a good compromise between length of barrel and velocity. Plus, it's decently light and moves well, even with the can. I like it, but I did have to pay $200 to get it that way. Otherwise, I'd be swinging a 21" AR around instead of a 17".
I also have the phantom flash hider for the M4-1000 on my 20" AR. now that is LOOONG.
Pardon the ignorance, but it looks like a lot of these rifles have really long muzzle brakes that defeat the purpose of a short barrel and hit us civvies with a $200 tax stamp. Or are they that way so that they're 16" barrels?
The Surefire brake reflexes back over the barrel, so you're actually only extending the barrel's length by 2" or so. The length of the muzzle device is intended to provide a solid mount for a Surefire suppressor. Here's my 6.8SPC, 12" WOA barrel with a Surefire muzzle device, compared to a stock M4A1.
http://www.visuality.com/personal/6_8/68_m4.jpg
Update on this and a question for you guys who have one..... (thanks for posting the photos)
Can you run a 10" LaRue rail on the Crusader and still have room to put a can on? (I don't have the barrel yet- stamp not received yet) I bought a 9" LaRue thinking that I may eventually get a can, but may exchange for a 10". Thinking about a Surefire FA556K, but we'll see if the slush fund has reserves.
SPECIFICATIONS
Weight: 16.0 ounces
Diameter: 1.50 inches
Length: 6.0 inches
Length past muzzle: 5.4 inches (approx.)
Length added to wpn: 4.3 inches (approx.)
This will be on a Stag lower (with a wicked stock trigger), with a Vltor EMOD stock, MUR upper receiver, and DPMS chrome bolt & carrier.
ATF cashed my Form 1 check on 5/5/08 so I guess I'll have the tax stamp in a few weeks. We'll see......
:cool:
Hoplophile
05-21-08, 11:58
Here's mine:
http://home.comcast.net/~hoplophile/VltorCarbine.jpg
Can you run a 10" LaRue rail on the Crusader and still have room to put a can on? With any normal, non-reflex, can you can run an 11" handguard without problems. With a reflex can that comes back over the barrel it depends on the exact can.
Here is mine built by my friend Steve at http://www.Adcofirearms.com (http://Adcofirearms.con).
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8465/125noveskevis2003uh2.jpg
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7531/125noveskevis2002uf3.jpg
Thanks for just solidifying my next build. That is truly beautiful.
Special thanks to GotM4 for putting the upper together. This thing's a laser!
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc295/B055H0GG/100_1929.jpg
Crappy pic...
LW Rail, CRS scope, OPS Vortex FH, loves 75gr BH and PRVI.
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g99/vinesr6/pooltable012.jpg
SWATcop556
07-25-08, 19:19
These are some excellent looking rifles. I have heard many great thngs about Noveske's barrels and I'm probably going to have to use one for my next build. The 12.5 seems to be a good place to start.
The Archangel
10-22-08, 15:39
http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/128/11621/260817.jpg
http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/128/11621/260818.jpg
The Archangel,
Is that a 12.5" Mid length barrel?
The Archangel
10-23-08, 00:12
The Archangel,
Is that a 12.5" Mid length barrel?
Good eye. but no. The actual Noveske GB is under the rails. I had an extra Samson GB that I installed to cover up some of the scars that I created trying to get the pin out of the GB.
Latest update......
I'm running an H3 buffer and Crane o-ring in the extractor. Really like the Troy sights with the HK front.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc295/B055H0GG/DSCF6840small-1.jpg?t=1225903613
eternal24k
08-20-09, 10:00
Nice thread, anybody have the weight of the 12.5" Noveske? I am torn between the 10.5 and 12.5, was wondering how the 12 compared to a standard M4 regarding weight.
Nice thread, anybody have the weight of the 12.5" Noveske? I am torn between the 10.5 and 12.5, was wondering how the 12 compared to a standard M4 regarding weight.
OK, just found some numbers on google:
12.5" Crusader weight: 1lb 12 oz
14.5" M4 barrel: 1lb 9oz to 2 lb 2oz
Crusader link: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=220
Barrel weight links (seem heavy for M4 barrel): http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=445658
spamsammich
10-01-09, 20:08
I think the Crusader weighs in at 1lb 12oz. M4 contour barrels are supposedly around 1 lb 9oz IIRC.
Thanks spamsammich! :D
Good to hear you found the same numbers, think I was using the wrong Noveske barrel name...
spamsammich
10-01-09, 20:25
I had completely forgotten about the heavy contour M4.
Belmont31R
10-08-09, 16:34
Another thing with weight is the further out the weight is the heavier its going to feel.
JohnVassilakos
10-29-09, 16:04
I think when it comes time to rebarrel my 10.5" LWRC, I'll be slapping a 12.5 Noveske barrel on it.
Does anyone have a noveske 12.5 crusader with a 7" (short carbine rail) with a switchblock and an AAC SPR/M4 can? Interested in what that looks like.
mcmillanman5
11-22-10, 00:04
Here is my 12.5"
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/mcmillanman5/103_0448.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb80/mcmillanman5/103_0452.jpg
Necro-bump. Waiting for my build and all that...
Anyone else have a 12.5" VIS/Switchblock setup? Pix suppressed/unsuppressed?
This is what I have. I just picked the upper up from a friend and I slapped it together on my SBR lower w/ some extras that I had laying around. I like the weight/balance of it. I had a similar set-up w/ a Noveske 10.5" upper and I like this way more! I will be taking it out through it's paces this weekend. Once I change out the AAC suppressor mount to a standard A2 birdcage I will be running my Gem-tech HALO on it.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee273/ahhumphries/F2A6D263-52AE-4718-BA20-309E038A380D-39334-000021BF13F14D72.jpg
This is what I have. I just picked the upper up from a friend and I slapped it together on my SBR lower w/ some extras that I had laying around. I like the weight/balance of it. I had a similar set-up w/ a Noveske 10.5" upper and I like this way more! I will be taking it out through it's paces this weekend. Once I change out the AAC suppressor mount to a standard A2 birdcage I will be running my Gem-tech HALO on it.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee273/ahhumphries/F2A6D263-52AE-4718-BA20-309E038A380D-39334-000021BF13F14D72.jpg
Nice!
In what way(s) is it superior to your 10.5"?
I don't have my 10.5" Noveske upper to directly compare but a few things that I like on the 12.5" vs. 10.5" is the rail. Now this is soley a personal thing but on my 10.5" upper it had a 9" or 10" rail system. I did not have enough room to mount my Gem-tech HALO. With the 12.5" it has a carbine length rail system which has less real estate but it will allow me to mount my suppressor (once I change out the muzzle device). Also, the crusader is a VIS upper as compared to my 10.5" which was not. The crusader feels lighter than my 10.5". Now, this might be perception as it may just be better balance on the crusader vs. the 10.5". Also, the crusader has the switchblock & my 10.5" did not. That being said, I was never able to run my 10.5" suppressed due to the above stated issues. So, I don't know if the switchblock is going to help me that much but in theory it sounds good & it looks like it works & seems to be an improvement from what I have seen on the net (take that with a grain of salt). I have owned different 10.5" uppers & I have ran them suppressed wih no issues. The switchblock should improve the longevity of the weapon system with increased life since it will reduce the wear & tear of running it suppressed. Sorry so lengthy & let me know if you have any questions.
I don't have my 10.5" Noveske upper to directly compare but a few things that I like on the 12.5" vs. 10.5" is the rail. Now this is soley a personal thing but on my 10.5" upper it had a 9" or 10" rail system. I did not have enough room to mount my Gem-tech HALO. With the 12.5" it has a carbine length rail system which has less real estate but it will allow me to mount my suppressor (once I change out the muzzle device). Also, the crusader is a VIS upper as compared to my 10.5" which was not. The crusader feels lighter than my 10.5". Now, this might be perception as it may just be better balance on the crusader vs. the 10.5". Also, the crusader has the switchblock & my 10.5" did not. That being said, I was never able to run my 10.5" suppressed due to the above stated issues. So, I don't know if the switchblock is going to help me that much but in theory it sounds good & it looks like it works & seems to be an improvement from what I have seen on the net (take that with a grain of salt). I have owned different 10.5" uppers & I have ran them suppressed wih no issues. The switchblock should improve the longevity of the weapon system with increased life since it will reduce the wear & tear of running it suppressed. Sorry so lengthy & let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks! I hope to do my own comparison soon. I have a 10.5" VIS/Switchblock upper on order, and a 12.5" factory SBR of same construction sitting in "Jail" right now. I guess this is what we do until we get them...talk and dream and hypothesize and fantasize. :p
KalashniKEV
09-21-12, 20:25
Just posted these in the Noveske pic thread and then came across this one, so I figured I'd post my Crusader here too:
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r220/Kalashnikev/Rifles/IMG_1442_zpsef902549.jpg
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r220/Kalashnikev/Rifles/IMG_1443_zps327c196c.jpg
My other SBRs are 10.5" and 11.5" and I can barely tell the difference, but even with a comparable length muzzle device the 12.5" seems like it's a mile longer.
I still like it. :)
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