View Full Version : AK stock adaptor piece... worth it r crap?
http://centerfiresystems.com/ProductImages/ak/STKAKA-AR-B.jpg
http://centerfiresystems.com/STKAKA-AR.aspx
ALLOWS AR COLLAPSIBLE STOCKS TO FIT ON AK RIFLES.
Buttstock adapter for AKs and variants to use with model 4/15 fixed and collapsible stocks.
Precision tolerance for excellent bore alignment.
Ergonomically shaped for natural cheek rest and great shooting comfort.
Enhances shooting accuracy and overall performance.
Centerfire Systems has that piece for fifteen bucks. Right now I own a WASR-10 and looking to add a M4 stock. Is that part worth it or should I get another brand?
How hard are you going to use the rifle? An occasional range trip and the plastic adapter seems like it would do ok. If it was going to see heavy use or abuse in a class I'd say going with a metal version like Ace has would be a much better investment.
How hard are you going to use the rifle? An occasional range trip and the plastic adapter seems like it would do ok. If it was going to see heavy use or abuse in a class I'd say going with a metal version like Ace has would be a much better investment.
My AK for me is a range toy and the most a emergency "Oh crap" all of my other rifles are down. For that to happen my Colt 6721, FN PS90, and M1 Carbine have to go down before I'd grab my AK.
titsonritz
08-30-11, 14:23
Get an ACE folding version, it would make for a good truck gun.
The stock adapter you linked is a POS.
You either want an ACE or Vltor stock adapter.
I think your premise is flawed. AR stocks should go on ARs. Don't mix the gene pool.
That plastic adapter should work fine, but probably should be outlawed.
Why?
If the AR stock works on an AK, why not use it?
What does the AR stock do that the Warsaw length AK stock does not?
Adjust length.
What does the AR stock do that the Warsaw length AK stock does not?
Is that a serious question?
Adjust.
Have more sling attachment points.
and since you aren't limited to a given stock, they could everything else aftermarket AR stocks can do.
Just as long as nobody posts that damned "Keep that crap off my Ak!!!" pic..... I hate that thing. :p
You guys are right, add what you like. And as to the plastic adapter, yes, it looks like crap and something like the Ace would be better.
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Just as long as nobody posts that damned "Keep that crap off my Ak!!!" pic..... I hate that thing. :p
Well, since you asked...
http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq169/bbossman1/Firearms/crapoffmyak.jpg
Right we need more doobers on the rifle. Check.
So you are saying modularity is a bad thing?
I'm saying it's highly over rated. Really does it make THAT big of a difference?
No.
World changing maybe not. Pretty darn nice, for sure. Would you say they are over rated on M4s?
Holy ****ing shit.
Yeah guys, sometimes having a stock shorter than warsaw length is beneficial. If you haven't noticed, a lot of folks run their AR stocks considerably shorter than the equivalent of a warsaw length on the AK- and that's without wearing armor. If wearing armor, having a shorter stock is most definitely world changing.
Would you also say that there's nothing wrong sticking a 5' 5" female in a medium MTV with side plates and issuing her an M16a3?
Length adjustment is not the point. Being able to have a stock shorter than warsaw length is the point. There aren't a lot of options for that. An M4 type stock is one of those few options.
Holy ****ing shit.
Yeah guys, sometimes having a stock shorter than warsaw length is beneficial. If you haven't noticed, a lot of folks run their AR stocks considerably shorter than the equivalent of a warsaw length on the AK- and that's without wearing armor. If wearing armor, having a shorter stock is most definitely world changing.
Would you also say that there's nothing wrong sticking a 5' 5" female in a medium MTV with side plates and issuing her an M16a3?
Length adjustment is not the point. Being able to have a stock shorter than warsaw length is the point. There aren't a lot of options for that. An M4 type stock is one of those few options.
Hey don't bring my girl into this fight.... :sarcastic::sarcastic: She's an inch taller then me. :big_boss:
I want an adjustable M4 stock on my AK for three reasons.
1. I'm not 6'2" and weigh 270lbs. I'm 5'4" and weigh 145lbs.
2. I like the idea of an adjustable stock because I like choices.
3. Makes it more comfortable to shoot my rifle when I'm wearing thick winter clothing when I'm up north or that freak chance that I'll have my AK with me at work and I get a chance to use it on the department range while I'm in uniform and armor. Also makes it more comfortable for my girlfriend.... she has claimed the AK as "her" rifle. And that is way more important then any of my wants and needs. She demands comfort for the AK and she'll get it.... cause she does soooooooooo much for me and my needs. :laugh:
Yes.
On most AR's the adjustability is completely unnecessary. I move mine when I wear armor and when I run slick. That's it. Most of the time it sits one click out. I think it's great that they can move, and even better that we have different options. But the whole, "It will adjust and let me do this and that" is fallacy, in my opinion.
Mike
I let other people shoot my rifles. My young nephews and cousin all have a hard time with Warsaw length. Many instructors show different positions and different styles of shouldering carbines. Adding a recoil pad to a fixed stock can cause the shooter to out of balance. Collapsed in, it gives the AK a smaller footprint, without making it wider. All are good reasons for an adjustable stock.
Storage is a nice feature, and can allow more than just a cleaning kit on the rifle.
Besides that, hows life on the CSX?
I forgot to mention choices in sling attachments. I am left handed, and I hate all the sling setup on stock AKs. Sure I can make do, but I can also make better.
I get the feeling we're just dealing with a, 'purist' on this one.
I started the "war" with the initial comment on AR stocks not belonging on AKs. Let's get this back on track.
I don't want or care for a collapsing stock on my AK, but absolutely agree that some may find one desirable/beneficial. They look silly to me, but that really doesn't matter. The folding option is more desirable to me though. Easist option is a straight bolt on Romy wire folder, but some don't like shooting the wire stock. OK.
So, getting back to the OP and the question about a stock adapter, what other choices are there besides that piece of crap plastic one? Photos are best.
My AR with Sopmod fully collapsed has a LOP an inch shorter than my Arsenal SGL-31. But, the way I shoot it NTCH, it is just a hair shorter than a Warsaw pact AK. I don't wear armor (firefighter, not LE) and I don't need my AK stock to go any shorter than where I shoot my collapsable AR. Therefore, collapsing stock on the AK is not a real benefit for me (and I don't mount slings on stocks, AR or AK. Receiver end plate for me. Don't need storage either).
What is the legth of pull with an adapter bolted on the back end of the receiver and an AR stock installed? Can anyone post a photo(s) of an AR stocked AK (fully collapsed) next to a Warsaw pact stocked AK? Most adapters I have seen add length to the set up and I'd like to see how much shorter they really can go.
Let's get back to the question. :)
If you want to comment about the stock piece do so. Personal opinions and the necessity of his choice aren't the question.
Fair enough.
If anybody here has plans to convert a Saiga and wants a good AR stock adapter, here's a version that I really dig. It's for a mil-spec tube supposedly, but I had to yank on it pretty hard to get the tube threaded in there. Works great though once in, and is strong. You DO have to cut off the rear tang though. So if that introduces too much suck then it may not be for you.
LINK (http://www.mississippiautoarms.com/saiga-internal-stock-adapter-for-ar-stock-p-814.html)
I will be getting another one.
P.
If you decide to go with an ACE block, you have several options.
There are internal and external blocks for both stamped and milled guns. I personally only run the internal blocks but you have to cut the tang(s) off for both the stamped and the milled. Once that's in place, you can just get an AR stock adapter and run that. Alternatively, you could put an ACE folding mechanism on the receiver block and have a folder too.
http://riflestocks.com/store/
The Vltor is a good option if you don't want a folder and also have a stamped AK. Noteworthy that it won't work with Yugos, however.
http://www.vltor.com/images/AKsmall-600.jpg
http://www.vltor.com/accessory.htm
An option that just came online a couple of weeks ago.
http://www.stormwerkz.com/Description_Pages/SFM-AR-01_Views.html
That one appears to be configured to work in conjunction with an ACE block
That one appears to be configured to work in conjunction with an ACE block
Or a clone of it. They also have receiver blocks and a few other ACE looking items.
recently purchased one from CAA, this thing is rock solid (aluminum tube) very comfortable to shoot as in shouldering it up to take aim. though i had to trim it to fit my rpk, since my receiver is thicker than the normal wasr.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/kadiindo/018-3.jpg
That's nice. Got some more pics of that? So it's good and solid?
Here is the Vltor adjustable stock on my Arsenal SGL 20. Also a comparison pic next to the original warsaw length stock with the vltor fully collapsed.
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z159/bryanz28/ak1.jpg
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z159/bryanz28/ak2.jpg
warsaw = 9.25"
Vltor = 7.75" (fully collapsed)
The Vltor stock adapter is rock solid, all metal with water tight storage compartment in the rear of the adapter. Its also mil spec diameter for mil spec stocks. Easy to install (after you get the original stock off which is not easy) Hope this info and the pics above help.
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