G19 issues

[TonyTacoma]

Hey guys,

I recently acquired an early production G19 with some mods done to it. Overall the gun is very accurate and has a fantastic trigger pull, here's the mods:
Vickers SS/MR
Glock smooth trigger
Ghost 3.5 rocket connecter & spring kit, I believe this kit includes; firing pin spring/trigger spring/firing pin block spring
And an aftermarket slide stop, unsure of manufacture.

During a long range trip and 200 rounds through it I noticed some things. First was erratic ejection, I took quite a few to the safety glasses. I also has some weak ejections, one of which almost stovepiped. Trigger pull was awesome and allowed for very accurate shooting. After disassembly I noticed some small marks near the end of the trigger, almost like nicks, if I have a moment I will snap some pics.

I guess overall I'm wondering if the reliability of this gun is compromised and if I need to replace the aftermarket with OEM, I will say I love the trigger pull but if it costs me reliability it's not worth it.

Thanks

[pjchang7]

Where did you acquire the gun from? Perhaps you could ask the previous owner if he had the same problems.

The nicks on the trigger could have been there from before unless you checked and they weren't there previously so I'm not sure if that is indicative of a problem. I'm not exactly sure where the nicks are but perhaps you can examine the trigger while dry firing to see if there is any interference.

The erratic ejections seem like they would be more of a recoil spring/ejector/extractor issue so I would look into those three things. Replace one at a time and see if any one of those fixes things up. Replacement of these parts should not affect your trigger pull so you'll be able to keep the nice trigger pull.

It doesn't sound as if it is having any major malfunctions other than ejection issues so the gun should be good to go once you figure it out.

[Nephrology]

How old is the gun?

It might be in need of some standard maintenance.

If it is old enough, replace - Recoil spring assembly, extractor, and extractor depressor plunger assembly.

[TonyTacoma]

As far as I know this gun has a relatively low round count, the pistol had the mods done, was safety checked and test fired then sat. I acquired the pistol at this point, wear is indicative to a low round count gun. According to ghosts website all the reduced power springs help in trigger pull, maybe these are the issue, which would be to bad as it is very accurate due to the light crisp pull. The orignal owner is reliable and I would trust his word.

[SkiDevil]

Hey guys,

I recently acquired an early production G19 with some mods done to it. Overall the gun is very accurate and has a fantastic trigger pull, here's the mods:
Vickers SS/MR
Glock smooth trigger
Ghost 3.5 rocket connecter & spring kit, I believe this kit includes; firing pin spring/trigger spring/firing pin block spring
And an aftermarket slide stop, unsure of manufacture.

During a long range trip and 200 rounds through it I noticed some things. First was erratic ejection, I took quite a few to the safety glasses. I also has some weak ejections, one of which almost stovepiped. Trigger pull was awesome and allowed for very accurate shooting. After disassembly I noticed some small marks near the end of the trigger, almost like nicks, if I have a moment I will snap some pics.

I guess overall I'm wondering if the reliability of this gun is compromised and if I need to replace the aftermarket with OEM, I will say I love the trigger pull but if it costs me reliability it's not worth it.

Thanks

I would recommend taking the pistol to a Glock certified armorer and having it gone-through and all of the non-Oem parts replaced with standard factory parts.

Once you fire a stock Glock trigger a few thousand times it will be second nature and the weight (5.5 Lbs.) won't seem to mattter.

One of the quickest ways to **** up a perfectly functioning Glock is to start switching-out parts to "improve" performance. It is a simple and reliable design (well apparently, until recently:().

Good Luck
SkiDevil

[RagweedZulu]

One of the quickest ways to **** up a perfectly functioning Glock is to start switching-out parts to "improve" performance. It is a simple and reliable design (well apparently, until recently:().

Good Luck
SkiDevil

Hells ya. Glad somebody said it. Rock it Stock.

[warpedcamshaft]

Also, make sure your extractor spring/plunger assembly is not in backwards... you may think I am joking, but I have seen people do it.

[warpedcamshaft]

Here is an example. Plunger in backwards:

http://pistol-training.com/archives/4372

[TonyTacoma]

Pics of nicks sorry there not to great.


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[Nephrology]

Hells ya. Glad somebody said it. Rock it Stock.

Amen. you know the best way to get a SWEET glock trigger? Shoot the damn thing a couple thousand times. They feel great starting around round 5k or so.

[JonInWA]

To paraphrase Tommy Lee Jones, get rid of your sissy aftermarket junk, restore things to OEM condition with OEM parts, and then you can make an asssessment of both the gun's viability and, after sufficient use, what modifications are necessary and appropriate.

I would echo the need to have Glock, or a Glock armorer thoroughly go through your gun. If you attend a GSSF match, it can be done on the spot for free. If you're LE officer, your armorer (if he's Glock certified, withe Glock parts on hand) can do it. Otherwise, I'd simply send it to Glock with a detailed letter and have them go through it at Smyrna GA. They will happily do so at very low cost, and can also replace sights, etc. if desired.

Best, Jon

[Littlelebowski]

I would recommend taking the pistol to a Glock certified armorer and having it gone-through and all of the non-Oem parts replaced with standard factory parts.

Once you fire a stock Glock trigger a few thousand times it will be second nature and the weight (5.5 Lbs.) won't seem to mattter.

One of the quickest ways to **** up a perfectly functioning Glock is to start switching-out parts to "improve" performance. It is a simple and reliable design (well apparently, until recently:().

Good Luck
SkiDevil


This. It's not a 1911. Get used to a stock trigger.

[Mr blasty]

Pics of nicks sorry there not to great.


http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7587/20110902202727688.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/20110902202727688.jpg/)

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5511/20110902202645136.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/148/20110902202645136.jpg/)
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2082/20110902202628169.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/20110902202628169.jpg/)

You didn't disassemble it with a loaded mag did you?:eek:

[TonyTacoma]

You didn't disassemble it with a loaded mag did you?:eek:

Lol, no I just stuck it back in there so the frame would stay standing up so I could snap the pics easier.

[Nephrology]

Also, make sure your extractor spring/plunger assembly is not in backwards... you may think I am joking, but I have seen people do it.

Mine was in backwards for over 400 rounds before i found it put in that way. Ooops....

[Kevin P]

What generation is your g19? Are you referring that it is an early production 4th gen or is it an earlier model?

[glen]

Do you have access to another G19? I suggest swapping top ends to see if the problem is with the slide assy or frame assy.

Then you can start swapping individual parts from there to pinpoint the problem.

[tpd223]

My totally stock G19 started doing the same sort of thing after a bit over 1000 rounds through the gun.
Over at Todd Green's Pistol Training.com site there is an epic thread on these issues.

My G19 took a new RSA, "new" older extractor and a White Sound HRED extractor plunger assembly to fix the issue.

Some of the gen 4 G17s at the Roger' school had to have the ejectors cut to get them running correctly.

Glock's QC ain't what it used to be IMHO.

[okie john]

During a long range trip and 200 rounds through it I noticed some things. First was erratic ejection, I took quite a few to the safety glasses. I also has some weak ejections, one of which almost stovepiped.

I agree 100% with the comments about returning to OEM innards and just gutting it out the trigger issues. I would, however, keep the Vickers slide release and magazine catch.

What ammo were you using? A lot of reloaded 115-grain ammo is not quite full power, which can cause erratic ejection. I also find that Glocks will throw brass from 115-grain loads all over the place, including right at my head. Brass from from 124- and 147-grain loads ejects well to the right--as it should.


Okie John

[brushy bill]

Pics of nicks sorry there not to great.


http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7587/20110902202727688.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/20110902202727688.jpg/)

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5511/20110902202645136.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/148/20110902202645136.jpg/)
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2082/20110902202628169.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/20110902202628169.jpg/)

Maybe these old eyes, but I don't see any nicks. Every Glock I have (4) and the ones used to own (2) has scratches on the polymer if that is what you're referring to. The .40s used to get "bump" marks on the slide from the locking block. Absolutely nothing to lose sleep over.

[SWATcop556]

The only mods a Glock needs are better sights, Vickers mag catch, grip plug, smooth G17 trigger, and a shit load of spare mags and ammo. Everything else is garbage.

I'm testing out a Vickers slide stop and so far I like it but the jury is still out.

[willowofwisp]

The only mods a Glock needs are better sights, Vickers mag catch, grip plug, smooth G17 trigger, and a shit load of spare mags and ammo. Everything else is garbage.

I'm testing out a Vickers slide stop and so far I like it but the jury is still out.

I fully agree.

[Long Tom Coffin]

The only mods a Glock needs are better sights, Vickers mag catch, grip plug, smooth G17 trigger, and a shit load of spare mags and ammo. Everything else is garbage.

I'm testing out a Vickers slide stop and so far I like it but the jury is still out.

Agreed.


I'm also forced to add an NY1 and 3.5 connector to the mix. I made the mistake of adding it to my Gen3 19 and now I am addicted to it. Not cool.

[NWPilgrim]

If it is a Gen4 then there are known issues like that and Glock would be best to fix it.

If it is a Gen3 or older then it should be totally reliable with stock parts, which are very inexpensive. I would but those parts anyway so you can always go back to it. If you don't know how or can't find instructions then have Glock or a Glock armorer to do it. Otherwise, you can pretty much detail strip a Glock with a 5/32" punch.

Since your friend took it apart and replaced parts it is very likely he re-installed something wrong or left something out. If you decide to replace parts, I would not rely on your friends memory of what was replaced. I would buy a complete set and work from there. Be sure to get the Gen3 version for G19: extractor and spring, ejector/trigger housing, trigger and stock trigger spring, disconnector, slide stop latch and spring.

Don't assume how it is put together now is correct. He may THINK he did it right, or he may be embarrased to admit he fumled some where, or he just forgot something.

When you replace with OEM and reassemble be sure to put ALL the parts in and in the correct manner. It is one of the simplest guns to detail strip and reassemble, but it can still be screwed up. If you get stuck, put it in a ziploc and mail to Glock for help.

[TonyTacoma]

Thanks for the replies, I guess for now even if I like the way it feels im going to replace the aftermarkets for oems.

For what it's worth I feel the same way and have owned glocks before and have never modded any of them. This was happenstance that I ended up with it in this configuration.