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I'm not even a little suprised.
"The liberal media have been preaching for years that conservatives are the ones who invoke violent imagery and rhetoric. Yet in the space of two days, the radical, pro-Obama left calls us 'son-of-a-bitches' and says they want to 'take us out.' And they follow that with a hideously violent game where they do just that -- depicting ways of shooting prominent conservatives, presidential candidates and journalists," said Brent Bozell, president of the Media Research Center. "The news media would be in an uproar if violence had been incited against liberals. Their silence disgusts me."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/07/video-game-targets-tea-party-zombies-fox-news-personalities/#ixzz1XHqK5lFM
4x4twenty6
09-07-11, 12:59
Just read this news on my phone. Not at all surprised.
It completely legitimizes the claims that a lot of the people on the left are huge hypocrates.
After all that happened to Gabby Gifford and the claims that the left made, we have a leftist individual glamourizing the killing of conservative folks on a video game.
Normally I would say it is just a video game and I dont think video games cause people to become violent. People either have a propensity to commit violent unprovoked acts or they do not.
But given the current economic situation and everything else going I really think that this was in poor taste and further encourages violence towards people because they have dissimilar political views.
In an already volatile time in our country all that video does is add fuel to the fire.
montanadave
09-07-11, 14:00
Martial metaphors have been part and parcel of political rhetoric forever. To suggest that either political party is going to set aside inflammatory and/or incendiary language as they strive to gin up their respective bases is simply naive.
Both sides are equally hypocritical and both sides never fail to engage in some self-serving demagoguery on the issue whenever they spot an opportunity.
What else are they going to do? Start telling the American people the truth? :rolleyes:
For President Obama to give the speech he did in Phoenix after the Gifford's shooting and then stroll onto the same stage after Hoffa's introductory remarks without calling him out is pretty lame.
GermanSynergy
09-07-11, 16:21
Civility is a one way street..... (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/13/us/13obama.html?_r=1)
Lenin and Trotsky would be proud of Jimmy Hoffa's rhetoric.
I have to admit, I'm surprised to see Huckabee giving the guy his first amendment due. He's absolutely right, the guy has every right to make the game under the first amendment, but the hypocrisy of the left is rather apparent here (and with the Jimmy Hoffa rant).
ChicagoTex
09-08-11, 00:48
The business of linking Hoffa's outrageous comments and a couple whackjobs who whip up a free video "game" espousing their whackjobism to demonstrate a clear conspiracy of violence on behalf of all liberals is exactly the kind of terrible journalism I've come to expect from the Faux News Entertainment Network.
Hoffa's comments were utterly deplorable, and he well and truly deserves to be taken to task for his entirely inappropriate vitriol.
President Obama is also entirely worthy of criticism for failing to rebuke Hoffa's comments.
This stupid-ass video "game", which I doubt took more than a week to make, is all kinds of full retard and giving it any attention or weight is playing right into the morons who created it's hands (who, by the way, are receiving tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands or even millions more page hits, and thus revenue from this trumped up conspiracy).
Isn't it amazing how much less stupid everything gets when things are taken for what they are, instead of connecting them into something they aren't?
Isn't it amazing how much less stupid everything gets when things are taken for what they are, instead of connecting them into something they aren't?
So you don't see the pattern of liberal hypocrisy when it comes to just about everything? Including the recent BS about violent or even symbolic rhetoric?
I do.
;)
“Before we go to break, I want to make a quick point. We were having a discussion about the Chicago mayoral race just a moment ago. My friend Andy Shaw used the term ‘in the crosshairs’ in talking about the candidates. We’re trying, we’re trying to get away from that language. Andy is a good friend, he’s covered politics for a long time, but we’re trying to get away from that kind of language. We won’t always be perfect. So hold us accountable when we don’t meet your standards.” -John King, CNN Anchor
I remember the left engaging in group think and trying to tell everyone how to speak after the Gifford incident.
ChicagoTex
09-08-11, 05:06
So you don't see the pattern of liberal hypocrisy when it comes to just about everything?
Everyone's a hypocrit to some degree, I don't understand why you think attempting to prove that means anything.
If you'll pay attention to my post, I attacked the notion of a coordinated CONSPIRACY (which is obvious total bullshit). If all you can come up with is "so and so is a hypocrit", big whoop, I guarantee that you and I could be called as such as well, and I guarantee that you'll find hypocrisy everywhere you choose to look for it.
The issue isn't hypocrisy, the issue is focusing on shit that matters, like the frontman for the teamster's union cranking up the inflamatory bullshit to 11, and not focusing on shit that doesn't matter or can't be changed, like a literally worthless video game and the ability to recognize perpetually flawed humanity and perpetually flawed.
Martial metaphors have been part and parcel of political rhetoric forever. To suggest that either political party is going to set aside inflammatory and/or incendiary language as they strive to gin up their respective bases is simply naive.
Both sides are equally hypocritical and both sides never fail to engage in some self-serving demagoguery on the issue whenever they spot an opportunity.
What else are they going to do? Start telling the American people the truth? :rolleyes:
For President Obama to give the speech he did in Phoenix after the Gifford's shooting and then stroll onto the same stage after Hoffa's introductory remarks without calling him out is pretty lame.
The difference is the MSM will jump all over a republican or Tea Party type if they said they same thing. It would be wall to wall coverage for days if not more. Just like the silence from the MSM when the "purple shirts" from SEIU beat up Tea Party protesters. If Tea Party types beat up a union type, you know the drill. It would be wall to wall coverage for ever.
Everyone's a hypocrit to some degree, I don't understand why you think attempting to prove that means anything.
Because the left is telling people how to speak, then they violate their own standards and selectively attack people for using the English language. Pretty simple really.
The difference is the MSM will jump all over a republican or Tea Party type if they said they same thing. It would be wall to wall coverage for days if not more.
Yep. It is the double standard that makes it important.
Imagine the demagoguery that would ensue if a Republican or Tea Party member created a First Person Shooter called "Union Busters" which involved a character going postal in a SEIU building or MSNBC Studio. It is all we would hear about for a week. Every Republican would be forced to publicly repudiate the game and kowtow to the media until they moved on to the next fake scandal.
The issue isn't hypocrisy, the issue is focusing on shit that matters...
So when one side has been playing Gotcha for over 30 years with the MSM the other side isn't supposed to use the same tactic against them? Wrong.
GermanSynergy
09-08-11, 14:13
Straight from Rules for Radicals, by Saul Alinsky.
Always remember the first rule of power tactics: Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.
The second rule is: Never go outside the experience of your people.
…The third rule is: Whereever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.
…the fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.
…the fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.
…The thirteenth rule: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. — P.126-129
The Left has been using these tactics for decades.
The basis for all of this comes from the so-called left’s world view, they really and truly think they can achieve utopia. Of course their version…….
If you knew you had the answers to all of society’s ills, what lie would you not tell? What crime would you not commit to achieve your goal?
ChicagoTex
09-10-11, 16:37
So when one side has been playing Gotcha for over 30 years with the MSM the other side isn't supposed to use the same tactic against them? Wrong.
Awww, I'm sorry. Was the big bad news media mean to you? You gonna cry about it? :rolleyes:
What the hell are we, 5? As I stated before, everyone's a hypocrit (at least in the eyes of others) so playing the same stupid game of "Gotcha" is just as special olympics worthy when you do it as when they do it; "but they started it" is neither an excuse, nor a justification.
There is actually something that matters here, synthesizing reasons to declare a Liberal Hypocrisy Conspiracy(!) isn't it.
Belmont31R
09-10-11, 16:39
President Obama is also entirely worthy of criticism for failing to rebuke Hoffa's comments.
Obama isn't in any position to rebuke anyones comments based on the things he said said.
ChicagoTex
09-10-11, 16:41
Obama isn't in any position to rebuke anyones comments based on the things he said.
Clarify for me. When you say "he", are you referring to Obama or Hoffa?
Belmont31R
09-10-11, 16:42
Martial metaphors have been part and parcel of political rhetoric forever. To suggest that either political party is going to set aside inflammatory and/or incendiary language as they strive to gin up their respective bases is simply naive.
Both sides are equally hypocritical and both sides never fail to engage in some self-serving demagoguery on the issue whenever they spot an opportunity.
What else are they going to do? Start telling the American people the truth? :rolleyes:
For President Obama to give the speech he did in Phoenix after the Gifford's shooting and then stroll onto the same stage after Hoffa's introductory remarks without calling him out is pretty lame.
The difference is the Democrats are the FIRST ones to go out crying about the incendiary language. Do you remember Pelosi's tears when she was still SOTH and talking about the Tea Party? Within mere hours of Gabriel Giffords was shot they were out there blaming the right wing and suggesting it was another McVeigh right wing attack.
Ive never seen Republicans run with the same fervor as democrats do when it comes to this type of stuff.
Belmont31R
09-10-11, 16:42
Clarify for me. When you say "he", are you referring to Obama or Hoffa?
Obama
ChicagoTex
09-10-11, 16:45
Obama
Then I can't really argue with that, except to say that even though it'd be borderline political suicide (or maybe not so borderline), it'd still be right.
Awww, I'm sorry. Was the big bad news media mean to you? You gonna cry about it?
Reread the thread. You are actually the one crying about it. Lefties use a tactic then try to demagogue their opponents for starting to use the same tactic against them.
What the hell are we, 5?
You might be. Most adults seem to understand why a biased media is bad for the republic.
As I stated before, everyone's a hypocrit...
You can state that as many times as you want and it will still be a bullshit rationalization. The point is not whether or not politicians from all parties get caught not practicing what they preach from time to time, it's the double standard applied when they do.
Belmont31R
09-10-11, 20:27
Then I can't really argue with that, except to say that even though it'd be borderline political suicide (or maybe not so borderline), it'd still be right.
It would be the pot calling the kettle black.
So you don't see the pattern of liberal hypocrisy when it comes to just about everything? Including the recent BS about violent or even symbolic rhetoric?
I do.
;)
I remember the left engaging in group think and trying to tell everyone how to speak after the Gifford incident.
They only care if you disagree with them but if you're on their side........
The difference is the Democrats are the FIRST ones to go out crying about the incendiary language. Do you remember Pelosi's tears when she was still SOTH and talking about the Tea Party? Within mere hours of Gabriel Giffords was shot they were out there blaming the right wing and suggesting it was another McVeigh right wing attack.
Ive never seen Republicans run with the same fervor as democrats do when it comes to this type of stuff.
What's even more sad, is those incidents that Pelosi was referring to were acts performed by the left.
ChicagoTex
09-10-11, 21:26
It would be the pot calling the kettle black.
That it would be.
Reread the thread. You are actually the one crying about it.
I'm crying about the positively idiotic conclusion that two unrelated data points demonstrate a clear conspiracy of violent intent on behalf of all liberalkind (admittedly this was originally manifested in the Fox News "story" and not by yourself or any other member here).
Most adults seem to understand why a biased media is bad for the republic.
But the hook of this story, and my argument from the beginning, hasn't been about biased media, but an alleged conspiracy of violent intent. If you want to have a discussion strictly about biased media, another thread is advised.
The point is not whether or not politicians from all parties get caught not practicing what they preach from time to time, it's the double standard applied when they do.
That may be what you take away from the article as "the" point, as the above states, it's not what I took (or criticized), making discussions about biased media outside the scope of my original arguments.
MY point is that all this entirely useless noise about the ye olde MSM bias and some stupid-ass video game is completely clouding the serious problem that the teamster leadership has made it extremely clear that they view the current American political realm as "warfare".
If you can seriously tell me that chalking up another anecdote of media bias (real or perceived) is more important than an extremely powerful union/lobby/large group of active voters who are only too happy to be whipped into an insane frenzy with the POTUS sitting on the sidelines and applauding, then there's no where for this discussion to go but straight to hell.
The video game is clearly directly linked to the violent comments made. As was said by another infamous socialist- Repeat something often enough, no matter how much a lie, it will become the truth. Intentional or not, this acceptance by silence lends credibility to the idea.
A conspiracy? Did Hoffa get together with the game maker and say "I'll whip up the crowd and you make a game"? Doubtful. But the game is riding on the coat tails of Hoffa's words.
Consider this: It would be illegal to create a game using the image of the prez as a target and it would be shut down hard by the Secret Service and the rest of the Alphabet Soup
montanadave
09-10-11, 22:43
As was said by another infamous socialist- Repeat something often enough, no matter how much a lie, it will become the truth.
Who was that? Bush, Cheney, or Rumsfeld? :rolleyes:
Gimme a ****in' break.
That may be what you take away from the article as "the" point, as the above states, it's not what I took (or criticized), making discussions about biased media outside the scope of my original arguments.
It may be outside the scope of your arguments (whatever that means) but it is what the article was about.
The article says the game got attention following Hoffa's comments and then segued into a statement by Brent Bozell about the BS leftist media speech police in recent history and their silence on this kind of rhetoric from the left versus what they would say had it come from Republicans.
At this point I don't think I am the one drawing odd conclusions or having reading comprehension issues so I'm going to move on.
ChicagoTex
09-11-11, 04:10
A conspiracy? Did Hoffa get together with the game maker and say "I'll whip up the crowd and you make a game"? Doubtful. But the game is riding on the coat tails of Hoffa's words.
You seriously think the developers of the game were able to whip it up in less than 24 hours? The release date is entirely coincidental (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc) to Hoffa's speech.
Consider this: It would be illegal to create a game using the image of the prez as a target and it would be shut down hard by the Secret Service and the rest of the Alphabet Soup
Because he's the president, not because he's a Democrat, the same would be exactly true if it were Bush or any other Republican.
The article says the game got attention following Hoffa's comments and then segued into a statement by Brent Bozell about the BS leftist media speech police in recent history and their silence on this kind of rhetoric from the left versus what they would say had it come from Republicans.
At this point I don't think I am the one drawing odd conclusions or having reading comprehension issues so I'm going to move on.
The only reason Brent Bozell thinks it's a bias issue is because he strongly implied a violent conspiracy. If there is no conspiracy (as I argue), there is no hypocrisy outside of Hoffa (the one I keep pointing to as the only issue of alarm). But, oh wait, I forgot, you can't accuse all liberals of being <insert deregotary generalization here> unless, apparently, you can find TWO people with terrible rhetoric?
It would now seem the double standard goes to FNC.
The only reason Brent Bozell thinks it's a bias issue is because he strongly implied a violent conspiracy. If there is no conspiracy (as I argue), there is no hypocrisy outside of Hoffa (the one I keep pointing to as the only issue of alarm).
There never was any implied "conspiracy" by Bozell, but that doesn't make these actions by the Democrats innocent. What he said was first "they" (liberals) did this, then they did that. He is talking about a pattern of inflammatory rhetoric by the left that is undeniable by honest observers. He was further talking about ongoing and longstanding Leftwing media bias in treating this hypocrisy by the Democrats with kid gloves.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60421.html
Biden denies calling tea party terrorists (I believe him...LOL) but his office spokesman did admit several Dem members of Congress DID in the same meeting.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/maxine-waters-to-tea-party-go-to-hell/2011/08/22/gIQAjgEeWJ_story.html
No conspiracy here just another liberal idiot who doesn't like to lose power.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/62396.html
This guy claims the tea party wants to turn black people back into second class citizens or string them up.
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/09/08/in-labor-dispute-500-union-members-storm-port-take-six-hostages/
These "working men" are letting their bats and crowbars do their talking.
It would now seem the double standard goes to FNC.
So you read into the article a conspiracy directly linking two events and read out of the article the entire point (the ongoing PATTERN of violent rhetoric and media bias) and FNC is suddenly the one with the double standard? Puff, puff, pass Tex. It actually just means you're oblivious, which kinda proves the articles point regarding media bias.
ChicagoTex
09-11-11, 05:28
"The liberal media have been preaching for years that conservatives are the ones who invoke violent imagery and rhetoric. Yet in the space of two days, the radical, pro-Obama left calls us 'son-of-a-bitches' and says they want to 'take us out.' And they follow that with a hideously violent game where they do just that -- depicting ways of shooting prominent conservatives, presidential candidates and journalists," said Brent Bozell, president of the Media Research Center. "The news media would be in an uproar if violence had been incited against liberals. Their silence disgusts me."
Given that he compares the two points to "violence being incited", he's quite clearly alleging an intent of violence from "the radical, pro-Obama left". The fact that he refers to both parties (Hoffa and the game developers) as being the same "they" means he is alleging a concerted effort, also known as a conspiracy. He didn't say "this guy said this crazy shit and then then this other guy made this stupid video game, therefore some liberals are obviously on board with violent rhetoric" he rolled them all up into one big ball and suggested because of proximity of incident, the two were linked.
So you read into the article a conspiracy directly linking two events and read out of the article the entire point (the ongoing PATTERN of violent rhetoric and media bias) and FNC is suddenly the one with the double standard? Puff, puff, pass Tex. It actually just means you're oblivious.
Call me what you will, but I believe bitching about private media bias is pretty much a massive waste of everyone's time. It's a free market, if you don't like it, don't watch. Moreover, I will not concede to any consistent pattern of particularly violent rhetoric present amongst liberals or conservatives as general groups. Most people simply aren't psychopaths. The problem is the ones who are (or who are pretending to be for attention) are the ones getting the most media time.
montanadave
09-11-11, 07:31
Most people simply aren't psychopaths. The problem is the ones who are (or who are pretending to be for attention) are the ones getting the most media time.
Bingo!
Peace and harmony doesn't sell newspapers, increase ratings, or generate web traffic. Sensationalist bullshit is what gets people's blood pumpin'.
The media is, first and foremost, a business whose primary purpose is generating revenue, not objectively reporting the news. And the lines have been sufficiently blurred in this age of "infotainment" that any mandate regarding objective reporting when utilizing public airwaves or bandwidth has long since been abandoned.
The threshold for "truthiness" is pretty low these days. Don't like what you're hearing? Just keep flippin' the channels. You'll find someone soon enough that will provide that necessary assurance that you've got it all figured out and it's those other rat bastards that are to blame for all of society's ills.
Given that he compares the two points to "violence being incited", he's quite clearly alleging an intent of violence from "the radical, pro-Obama left". The fact that he refers to both parties (Hoffa and the game developers) as being the same "they" means he is alleging a concerted effort...
I don't think using the word they for two separate actions means he is saying they are working together in a coordinated fashion. They just means liberals.
Call me what you will, but I believe bitching about private media bias is pretty much a massive waste of everyone's time.
I think it's important, particularly when it comes to CNN and the network news operations that have claimed to be objective while being quite biased for 20-30 years.
Moreover, I will not concede to any consistent pattern of particularly violent rhetoric present amongst liberals or conservatives as general groups.
I wouldn't expect you to concede. But it was liberals who called for civility after the Giffords shooting (most conservatives scoffed at the speech police going after symbolic use of the English language at the time) and it is the liberals getting more and more shrill as Obama slumps in the polls. Oh and the unions actually are getting violent now, at least in my state.
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