View Full Version : Winter/Fall 2011 M4c Shoot at CWSA
GitmoSmoke
09-16-11, 18:33
It is time to get the next shoot planned. I have received inputs for Oct 29th
Nov 5th 12th and 19th All are Saturdays. I think that the 12th and 19th are good days, but lets consider the 13th and 20th. Sundays might be better for some of us. Saturdays can be work days for me.
thecarfarmer
09-16-11, 22:56
So, what kind of shooting will we be doing?
(like there's some kind I'd say no to?)
Saturdays are work days for me, too - but I have my priorities squared away...
heh :D
-Bill
crusader4x
09-16-11, 23:14
The 19th works best for me.
thecarfarmer
09-17-11, 21:01
Any chance of breaking out the barricades and doing some shooting from concealment and/or awkward positions?
I've been kind of itching to try that.
The ranges around here would kinda' frown upon that... hell, I got my ass chewed @ Kenmore for taking a shot standing up (you never know, the recoil of that mighty .22 short could knock my 240 pound ass over - better safe than sorry!). So, I think the Range Officer might have a coronary if I tried dragging a barricade up to the shooting line.
And I can't exactly practice that stuff on my condo's front lawn, either.
;)
-Bill
I can do the weekend of the 12th. doesn't matter which day.
So, is anyone planning on making this shoot?
GitmoSmoke
10-12-11, 09:20
Right now we don't have a reserved space. We are starting construction on the pistol bays in mid November, so I don't think reserving the short range for our exclusive use.
crusader4x
10-12-11, 14:54
Anybody interested in an informal "fun" shoot on the 22nd? Right now my calendar is clear and I've got an itch to shoot at stuff.
mook and i were talking about doing some shooting later this month. hes got some new optics to try out and i just like shooting shit so yeah anyones welcome.
kaltesherz
10-13-11, 21:29
I'm pretty open, but the later in the month the better
Peter Panzer
10-19-11, 15:16
mook and i were talking about doing some shooting later this month. hes got some new optics to try out and i just like shooting shit so yeah anyones welcome.
I am always looking for some practice time. Post up a date, time and location when you guys have things sorted out.
Where is CWSA and what are the details about shooting there? Fridays & Saturdays are best for me
Stormrider
10-30-11, 23:05
It's central Whidbey Island, a couple miles south of Coupeville on the west side of Hwy 20.
I'm goin up to CWSA on the 12th or 13th to break in my new 1-4 on some steel plates at the 200yd range. I got the itch. I'm down for some other stuff too.
It looks as if there is nothing else scheduled that weekend.
If anyone wants to get in on it, let me know.
im down as long as i can make it back in time for work.
Right on, what time do you have to leave?
PieceKeeper
11-07-11, 23:21
I'm down. Can make whatever work. All settled in the new place.
I'm in for the 12th... :)
We wont be able to shoot the rifle plates on Sat. If this is something you guys are interested in, we need to get the range reserved for our use.
There should still be steel plates for pistol shooting available in bay 1.
Will likely catch the 9 or 9:30 ferry.
ok we are meeting at the north gate park and ride and 830-845 tomorrow morning to catch the 930 ferry.
It was a real pleasure meeting MookNW and Vader. we were hoping a couple other guys would show, but we made the best of it, and got some good trigger time in the 360 degree pistol pit. It was a a bit cool and a bit wet, but really nothing that hindered the shooting or the fun. Got to learn a few things (thanks guys), and got to break in a new carbine.
A lot of people showed up to use the rifle bays, and as we had no reservation, we didn't get to perform any movement drills. Just a few clearance drills, and some red dot sighting in.
Wrapped it up at about 2:30 pm, doubletimed it to catch the 3:00 p.m. ferry, and had some fooking spectacular burgers at Dave's (I think that was the place--great stuff!) in Lynnwood.
I burned through 300 pitsol rounds and 260 rifle rounds. Can't wait to do it again!
Oh, and I managed NOT to shoot myself with my Serpa holster and Sig 1911... :big_boss: Time for a new holster, though :cool:
Good stuff
GitmoSmoke
11-14-11, 09:44
Since we are starting serious construction work at the club, I propose we make the next shoot February 25th at 0900. We shoud be finished with the bay construction by then.
Rhino, you got to meet me too, I was the one covered in mud from digging on the short range and bay 1.
I'm free that day. Short rifle range?
kaltesherz
11-14-11, 20:38
I'll make sure to get it off, let's start planning
GitmoSmoke
11-14-11, 22:55
We would definately use the short range. I'll put our reservation in for Feb 25th at the next board meting. Pistol steel will be available for this meet, rifle steel will have to wait for the long range, Im thinking late June for that one.
Same fees will apply for all 2012. $15 range fee, $5 for BBQ. Ribs and Brisket for this one.
1. MookNW
2. kaltesherz
3. Vader
4. GitmoSmoke
5. Rhino1
6. Crusader4x
7. RandyHa
8. PieceKeper
9. dan1775
10. GlockWRX
11. HID237
12. Peter Panzer
13. mkmckinley (maybe)
Please count me IN! Although I don't think I can wait until February to shoot again... We'll have to do something between now and then! :neo:
crusader4x
11-22-11, 15:51
25 Feb works for me too!
PieceKeeper
11-24-11, 23:53
I'll be there for sure, my birthday gives me priority this time.
Not sure if I'm available yet but may be able to swing it.
Count me in for 25 Feb. I won't flake this time like I did on the pistol shoot. :(
Peter Panzer
12-19-11, 12:36
Gitmo:
Can you put me down as a "maybe" for the 2.25.2012 shoot? I should be able to firm up my schedule as we get closer to the end of February.
Thanks as always for your good work in keeping us organized!
so Mook and I were talking the other day and we are gunna grab this shoot by the reigns and set up some good stuff. Jason has done a bitchin job the last few outings but it's time to give him a break and let him pull the fricken trigger some more.
as far as I'm concerned I'd like to focus of the basics and work up. I want to get a bit more long range pistol work it ie 25+ yards. we can use steel for this so it's a lot easier then having to tape paper. Mook and I both agreed that we need some longer range rifle work on steel and integrate some long distance movement transitioning to paper at closer ranges.
we have a mixed bag of shooters with different skill levels so we will try and not overwhelm newer shooters and not bore the faster guys.
all I have to say is DOT TORTURE DRILL PUSSIES!!!
GitmoSmoke
01-15-12, 00:33
Vader,
We wont' be doing any rifle steel at CWSA until we get to the long range this summer. Pistol steel is good to go for the Feb shoot. Let me know if you want any special equipment or props for this shoot.
mkmckinley
01-15-12, 06:55
This sounds great. Can I put in for a maybe, depending on if I'm in town or not?
Vader,
We wont' be doing any rifle steel at CWSA until we get to the long range this summer. Pistol steel is good to go for the Feb shoot. Let me know if you want any special equipment or props for this shoot.
so Mook can't bring his little steel gong?
GitmoSmoke
01-16-12, 09:17
We can only use rifle steel on the long range.
Sad to say I'm changing from a 'maybe' to a 'no'. I'm planning (we'll see what the wife says. lol) to go to the Handgun Retention & Disarming class John Holschen will be teaching that same weekend. Was signed up last year, but it ended up being move to a date a week after my son was born, which was an absolute no-go.
Perhaps next time. I'm sure you guys will have a blast. Please put up some pics and an AAR so I can lament what I missed.
kaltesherz
01-20-12, 15:31
I'm still in and can help with set-up and just about anything else that might be needed.
Peter Panzer
02-16-12, 15:47
I'm not sure if we are still keeping a headcount, but I'll be able to swing this one after all. Looks like we might be trading snow for rain this year...
I too can show up early if help is needed getting things set up - let me know.
Who's coming?
Who needs to zero their rifle?
I'm in.
I'm also trying to convince my buddy that has an SOT to show up and bring some hardware for you guys to sample. I've got to double check with Andy to see if he can bring the PKM or the 203 (dead serious).
If there are any cans you guys want to look at let me know and I'll see if he's able to bring one. I'm fairly certain he will bring his SBR with the AAC Mini. He also has a couple of other demo cans.
OK, now who's comin'?:cool:
Ok, full autos and grenades aren't allowed. Who knew?
Instead, my buddy is going to bring a 5.45mm Krinkov SBR, a 9mm MP5SD clone, a 12 ga Serbu AOW, and probably a P90 SBR. He will probably also bring some suppressor/host combos.
If you want to shoot any of those, bring some ammo. He tells me the SD clone works best with higher grade ammo. And bring any questions you have about getting suppressors or AOWs.
GitmoSmoke
02-18-12, 21:40
One week to go and this is the latest list. Let me know if I need to make any changes.
1. kaltesherz
2. Vader
3, 4. GitmoSmoke+1
5. Rhino1
6. PieceKeper
7, 8, 9, GlockWRX+2
10. Peter Panzer
11. mkmckinley (maybe)
See you all next Saturday!
kaltesherz
02-19-12, 00:26
Ok, full autos and grenades aren't allowed. Who knew?
Instead, my buddy is going to bring a 5.45mm Krinkov SBR, a 9mm MP5SD clone, a 12 ga Serbu AOW, and probably a P90 SBR. He will probably also bring some suppressor/host combos.
If you want to shoot any of those, bring some ammo. He tells me the SD clone works best with higher grade ammo. And bring any questions you have about getting suppressors or AOWs.
JUMPING JESUS ON A POGO STICK!!! Thats ****ing awesome!
Luckily I have a metric shit-ton on 5.45 on hand as well as a bit of 9mm. Any AR SBRs for that Mini4?
JUMPING JESUS ON A POGO STICK!!! Thats ****ing awesome!
Luckily I have a metric shit-ton on 5.45 on hand as well as a bit of 9mm. Any AR SBRs for that Mini4?
He has a 12.5 inch Noveske which I'm sure he'll bring. If his business partner comes along, he will have his 10.5 HK416 upper on a full auto Colt lower, with an M4-2000 to hush it up.
Aye chingon(sp?). Id like to try out a few different 5.56 cans, not too picky, but a small sample to select from would be nice before I throw down the coin for one of my own.
Aye chingon(sp?). Id like to try out a few different 5.56 cans, not too picky, but a small sample to select from would be nice before I throw down the coin for one of my own.
Well, you should be able to check out an M4/SPR, Mini4, and probably the M4-2000. I don't think they have any of the Surefire cans on hand, and I think they sold their SDN-6 demo can.
After having shot all three (M4/SPR, Mini4, M4-2000), I gotta say I'm pretty impressed with that Mini4.
kaltesherz
02-19-12, 01:17
Well, you should be able to check out an M4/SPR, Mini4, and probably the M4-2000. I don't think they have any of the Surefire cans on hand, and I think they sold their SDN-6 demo can.
After having shot all three (M4/SPR, Mini4, M4-2000), I gotta say I'm pretty impressed with that Mini4.
I can't wait to get some trigger time on a Mini4, if they let us get SBRs that should go nicely with a 10.5/11.5 host.
Thanks for kicking this shoot up a notch!
PieceKeeper
02-19-12, 02:26
I'm still in. Will need to zero.
So I finally have time to start reading the forums again, get excited about an awesome sounding M4c shoot and realize that I'll be in Canada for my mother in laws birthday. I love my in laws, but Canada is the exact opposite of an M4c shoot.
I'm still in. Probably gonna' use my MSAR STG556, and have the Noveske in "back up" mode. No need to zero--MookNW and I (along with a couple others...) snuck out to Capitol Forest yesterday got zero'd on some steel :p
Peter Panzer
02-21-12, 14:12
Mook/vader:
Do you guys have an anticipated round count? Standard fare? Say, ~350 carbine, ~200 handgun?
that should be about good. I am going to implement a bit more pistol into the second half of the day with some of the movement stuff.
No need to zero--MookNW and I (along with a couple others...) snuck out to Capitol Forest yesterday got zero'd on some steel :p
Got carried away with the 1-4 on Sunday and still need to zero my irons. I plan on catching the 8 oclock on Saturday to put me at the club around 9-9:15. I'll get a quick zero on the 100yd range if there's room and time before setting up.
We are planning to be on the line shooting as close to 10 am as possible.
Food?
Peter Panzer
02-22-12, 12:38
I am going to implement a bit more pistol into the second half of the day with some of the movement stuff.
Good deal - thank you sir.
Food?
I will toss in a succulent chateaubriand with balsamic reduction and a steamed lobster/prawn medley. Caramelized pears with white chocolate and raspberry sauce will follow on. All of that and a box of Clif Bars. Magnifique!
crusader4x
02-22-12, 14:50
Crap! Just as the shoot gets more interesting I'm going to have to back out. You all SUCK! But have fun anyway. Hope to see you at a summer shoot. And if it's after June 23, I'll be a married man. :D
GitmoSmoke
02-22-12, 19:16
I've got 7 racks of ribs ready to go in the smoker Friday evening. I should have everything staged Friday night so we can get shooting as early as possible.
Crusader our next shoot is Jun 16th. One week prior to your wedding. High power rifle bachelor party maybe?
I'm out. I have to work Saturday.
Got carried away with the 1-4 on Sunday and still need to zero my irons. I plan on catching the 8 oclock on Saturday to put me at the club around 9-9:15. I'll get a quick zero on the 100yd range if there's room and time before setting up.
We are planning to be on the line shooting as close to 10 am as possible.
Food?
Ribs, Cordon Bleu cuisine, sheesh... Anyone want to bring a small grill and have me slap some carne asada tacos together? Nothing like fresh carne off the grill... :moil:
bring some goretex people it's gunna be wet.
Peter Panzer
02-23-12, 21:00
Always interesting in February - might be a touch breezy too: Coupeville, WA forecast (NOAA). (http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Coupeville&state=WA&site=SEW&textField1=48.22&textField2=-122.685&e=0)
Rhino:
I was just joking about the food, man. Don't worry, Gitmo takes good care of us in that department. Remember your extra $5 to help him cover his costs - bring all your range doodads and be ready to have some fun.
Always interesting in February - might be a touch breezy too: Coupeville, WA forecast (NOAA). (http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Coupeville&state=WA&site=SEW&textField1=48.22&textField2=-122.685&e=0)
Rhino:
I was just joking about the food, man. Don't worry, Gitmo takes good care of us in that department. Remember your extra $5 to help him cover his costs - bring all your range doodads and be ready to have some fun.
Sounds good! Yum!
Very disappointed, but my travel schedule prohibits me from being with you all tomorrow. Hope someone takes some pictures. Hope to be there next time. Be safe.
Randy
I'm a no-go. Work related. Sorry guys. :(
Please shoot a suppressed machine-gun with a rib in yer mouth for me.
Vader has some killer stuff lined up for you, Kaltesherz shall bring some heat as well.
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone that showed up! hope you all had as much fun as I did and hope I wasn't to bad with the flow of the shoot. to the gentlemen that brought all the wonderful dreams....I HATE YOU BOTH :-) but seriously that's was very rad of you to let us prom night your ladies.
Vader, you were awesome--I haven't had an ass-chewing like that since boot camp! Great stuff, great food, great company!
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/Erwin8r/6d0cd77c.jpg
Someone say Krinkov?
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/Erwin8r/515c5179.jpg
Table of dreams...
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/Erwin8r/e43b7592.jpg
And the gun that took down Bin Laden (there's a guy shooting it--hard to see him, I know, but he's wearing all ACU... :) )
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/Erwin8r/143cefa3.jpg
PieceKeeper
02-26-12, 01:20
First I'd like to thank Vader for leading this event. Great job man. Well done for your first time. Gitmo thanks for hosting. The food was excellent as always.
All in all, we had a blast.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff480/BrutalRain/PNW_Winter_Shoot_2012/2012-02-25_14-02-08_589-1.jpg
Today started out like last years winter event. Snow. It was gone by the time I reached the ferry heading to the island. Still f'ing cold though.
I wore a Marmot Soft Shell, Helly Hansen rain coat and t-shirt with LA Police Gear Operator rip-stop pants, Wilderness belt and waterproof-ish boots. Tried to use Mechanix gloves but they really screwed with weapons manipulation. By the end of the day, I was chilled to the bone, so I should've used 'em anyway. Made no difference when I couldn't feel my hands.
Gray Ghost Gear split chest rig 500d, 3 mag AR shingle and double pistol pouch with HSGI blow out kit and tourniquet in BFG Tourniquet NOW!.
My weapons: Glock 19 Gen3 in a Blade-Tec holster and 14.5" DD AR with Trij 1-4x optic and Vickers padded sling
Had to move the blow out kit to the left side in order to clear my pistol on the draw.
Great group of guys again. I think there were 10 of us that showed. Various skill levels but didn't interrupt the flow of the day.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff480/BrutalRain/PNW_Winter_Shoot_2012/2012-02-25_12-16-31_786.jpg
I'm not going to go into details about the drills we did. I'll leave that to someone else.
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff480/BrutalRain/PNW_Winter_Shoot_2012/2012-02-25_11-50-34_991.jpg
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff480/BrutalRain/PNW_Winter_Shoot_2012/2012-02-25_12-17-23_836.jpg
We got to play with a lot of toys
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http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff480/BrutalRain/PNW_Winter_Shoot_2012/IMG_5619.jpg
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff480/BrutalRain/PNW_Winter_Shoot_2012/2012-02-25_13-45-03_249.jpg
http://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff480/BrutalRain/PNW_Winter_Shoot_2012/IMG_5616.jpg
Made us all very happy
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PieceKeeper
02-26-12, 01:47
The Krink was hucking brass about 15'. Trigger smacked your finger HARD and the kick from the 5.45 was rediculous for the calibur. Arguabley the most drooled over gun of the group.
You can see the brass in the air above Mr. Invisible.
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PieceKeeper
02-26-12, 01:56
This is what a 40mm "less lethal" round does to a target ~20 or so feet.
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longshot762
02-26-12, 11:31
I really appreciate the efforts of everyone involved yesterday. We had a great time and are looking forward to the next event. Who knows what fun we might bring next time.
As a side note thanks for blacking our faces. If anyone else wants to post any pics they might have please do the same.
"Be the grey man"
Peter Panzer
02-27-12, 16:09
Just wanted to pop in quickly...
Vader, you turned in an admirable job of providing structure to the day, lending practical observations to individual shooters and maintaining the momentum of activities over the course of the day. Thank you for stepping up and adapting to last minute changes - well done.
It's also worth noting the benefit of having experienced folks like kaltesherz and GlockWRX present, who are capable of supplementing the day's activities with their own perspectives and techniques.
I'm obliged to the group for the collective lack of pretension. Once again this proved to be an inclusive venue for advanced shooters to demonstrate and hone their skills while the less practiced can observe, safely embarrass themselves, ask questions and identify areas for improvement.
Finally, a tip-o'-the-hat to Gitmo for providing a steady location to make this happen and for hardening our arteries.
…looking forward to the ion cannon and proton torpedo demo longshot762 will, no doubt, provide in June.
Peter Panzer
02-27-12, 16:11
GlockWRX:
A quick question, after viewing your carbine in the image above:
Have you experienced any malfunctions when firing from your support (right-hand) side as a result of your sling potentially being pulled taught over the ejection port?
My two-point sling is oriented/attached in the same manner as yours. Kaltesherz observed that when firing from my support (right-hand) side that ejected casings were bouncing off of the sling and back into the carbine. Only the rapid cycling of the BCG appeared to be staving off a malfunction.
Do you have any techniques to avoid this or has it not presented itself as an issue? Perhaps dropping ones support side arm out of the sling entirely when transitioning shoulders?
GlockWRX:
A quick question, after viewing your carbine in the image above:
Have you experienced any malfunctions when firing from your support (right-hand) side as a result of your sling potentially being pulled taught over the ejection port?
I have not had a malfunction like you describe. This also includes when on my right side and near the ground (rifle mounted on right shoulder), or in supine with the ejection port close to my abdomen.
Theoretically I can see it happening, but it hasn't yet. I've done quite a bit of that kind of shooting over the last couple of years and it hasn't been an issue (yet).
Peter Panzer
02-27-12, 17:44
Thanks for the quick feedback - my much more limited experience echos yours thus far.
Also, thanks for letting me try out your slick-triggered setup. The instant black-face applique camo is a real time saver!;)
Damn, I wish I made it guys. Looks like a great time, I had some pretty big stuff on the line and couldn't free up. I apologize for the short notice. Thanks to all who filled in where I couldn't help.
PieceKeeper
02-28-12, 11:26
We're sincerly sorry you couldn't join us. Way to be responsible, man.
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