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ccoker
09-19-11, 06:39
“The best carbine optic on the market?”

By: GlockandRoll

Hello shooters:

I am very excited to tell you about my first day in the field with the new Leupold Mk 8 CQBSS 1.1-8 front focal plan scope. I really hoped not to start my review with the clichéd “I could tell it was good when I opened the box“, but; let me tell you – I could tell it was good when I opened the box!

Let’s start with the tube body itself: It is large, 34mm in fact, which I assumed was to get more light in and allow more elevation travel.. I had no idea how right I was until heading out to Best of The West this morning with Charles and Adam. The wide body (and hopefully you can judge this from the pictures) delivers incredible light transmission, edge to edge clarity, and flawless color. We had a truck full of rigs out there with high-end optics from S&B, NF, USO, et al.. and this scope held it’s on with our quick “set them all to 8x and line them up test”. And trust me here, I’m an FAA licensed pilot with 20:10 or better vision, and have always considered myself a good judge of optical quality – this is some damned good glass folks!

So let me quickly reiterate what I think about the Leupold Index Matched Lens System, in this optic: It delivers incredible light transmission, edge to edge clarity, and flawless color.

There, I said it twice.

Now, let’s talk about the main reason you, I, or anyone else would be crazy enough to dump $3K+ into an optic. The main reason I wanted it was because of the versatility this scope offers. No doubt, it’s not a small scope, but then again it’s able to replace two other optics at the same time, my Aimpoint on a LaRue mount, and my 2.5-10 Mk4 MR/T illuminated TMR scope w/ARMS rings. So the way I see it, it’s smaller and less to hall around that those two combined so it is a win.

Sure many will argue “but I can have this and that combined.. for the same price!” fair enough, but is it going to be as rugged, as optically excellent, and function as well without the need to use QD rings and worry about losing zero, or be as good at each role?

Let me also talk about the knobs for a moment. They are amazing it offers 10 Mils of travel with each elevation knob revolution with auto-locking pinch and turn adjustment which I am told Leupold is getting a patent on, as they should it’s the only locking adjustment knob that you can rapidly dial your dope into. It really works well and the clicks are firm and audible in 0.10 mil increments.

I really liked the Horus vision H-27D reticule with a cleverly integrated 5 MOA holographic dot. The front-focal plane allows you to zoom out to 1.1 power and the all you can see is the donut and the horizon line.

H-27D models will feature the M118LR 7.62mm BDC dial, and I did not realize this so I had to do my .10 MIL counts to shoot out to 700 yards. It was not a problem for me, it’s just something to be aware of.

What was that you said? “But GlockandRoll, that’s just too expensive.. I can buy this and that” Sure, it’s not cheap – but I’ll argue that a single tool able to perform multiple roles is better than having to swap tools for different roles. That argument holds just as true when you are in a 3-gun match when you have to engage long-range targets just seconds after close-range targets, as it does in life-and death situations. A fitting analogy would be like having a race car w/slicks and rain tires, but in a fantasy world where a single tire was a sticky on dry pavement as the slicks and as good in the rain as the grooved tire. I would have thought it was impossible until I received this scope last week.

Show me another scope that makes a 5MOA holographic donut reticule that’s so bright we had to back it down of it’s highest setting in the South Central Texas sun at high-noon, that you can – with the flick of a wrist – have a 1000+ yard brilliant FFP reticule piece of glass for long range work with edge-to-edge clarity that is this well made at any price, I dare you.

If you are curious about this piece, please check out Leupold’s website for the Mark 8 1.1-8x24mm CQBSS Front Focal scope and tell them GlockandRoll sent you.

http://www.leupold.com/tactical/products/scopes/mark-8-riflescopes/mark-8-1-1-8x24mm-cqbss-front-focal/

I assure you, it is worth checking out.

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at 250 yards


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250 yards
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1x at 250 yards
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500 yards, 8 x, unlit
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500 yards, 8 x, lit reticle, 1K orange 19" plates in the far background
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mkmckinley
09-19-11, 07:27
Thank you for the excellent review. I really appreciate the pictures illustrating the reticle and dot. Yours is a little bit different than some of the earlier feedback, I wonder if there is a difference between the optics with the H-27 and the ones without.

I'm having a little trouble wrapping my head around the holographic doughnut. In all of your pictures it looks centered and looks to be part of the reticle. How is it holographic? Is it possible to get the illuminated dot off center in the field of view and still make hits like in an Eotech or Aimpoint?

Any thoughts on the H-27? I've used the H-58 quite a bit and have come to appreciate not having to dial. The H-27 looks like a nice clean application for a lower powered scope. Do you notice the Christmas tree when zoomed out to 1.1? Finally, how's battery life?

Belmont31R
09-19-11, 14:10
I had the same question if that black donut is there all the time.



Also I think the Short-Dot locking system is also pretty dang easy to use. Just lift up a fraction of an inch and turn. Goes down on its own. Pinch and turn or lift up and turn...:confused:



I was also under the impression the version with the Horus reticle was quite a bit more than the TMR version both because of the reticle being licensed and the addition of the donut/dot which the TMR lacks.


SWFA has the TMR (no dot) listed at $4k.


CS Tactical also has the TMR (no dot) listed $4k.



While Im sure it has good glass and is a major improvement over previous Leupold designs Im curious at to what it does for $1500 more than other similar offerings and that is for the not dot TMR version. I believe based on dealer comments the dot version you showed here with the Horus reticle is closer to $4500 or $2k more than similar offerings.


The only thing I can come up with is thats its meant for military/gov contracts, and like most things designed for that end use they are wildly inflated price wise. If they were designed for commercial sales no company in their right mind would price their product at almost double the selling price of their competition for something that is more or less on the same page design and feature wise. Plus Leupold does not really have the pedigree to command those prices from people who are used to seeing them charge $200-$600 for 90% of the scopes they sell which is the Cabelas Walmart Academy crowd.

Titleist
09-19-11, 14:53
The only thing I can come up with is thats its meant for military/gov contracts, and like most things designed for that end use they are wildly inflated price wise. If they were designed for commercial sales no company in their right mind would price their product at almost double the selling price of their competition for something that is more or less on the same page design and feature wise. Plus Leupold does not really have the pedigree to command those prices from people who are used to seeing them charge $200-$600 for 90% of the scopes they sell which is the Cabelas Walmart Academy crowd.

Head, meet Nail. Nail, meet Head.

MilitaryArms
09-19-11, 15:21
That is a beautiful optic. Man, if only I had $3k to invest into a scope right now. That certainly seems to be the perfect mix of durability, magnification and features.

USMC_Anglico
09-19-11, 18:25
I've handled this optic as well. On a 16" gas .308 it is fantastic. It is everything you need. Super fast with the Horus reticle. It also ridiculously expensive. It was developed for military units that gave Leupold a requirement and they fulfilled it. For the average joe, it is a lot of coin. Hopefully the S&B and premier offerings will help flesh out the market and bring prices down, any of those with the Horus is a bonus.

Belmont31R
09-19-11, 21:53
I've handled this optic as well. On a 16" gas .308 it is fantastic. It is everything you need. Super fast with the Horus reticle. It also ridiculously expensive. It was developed for military units that gave Leupold a requirement and they fulfilled it. For the average joe, it is a lot of coin. Hopefully the S&B and premier offerings will help flesh out the market and bring prices down, any of those with the Horus is a bonus.




I think that is a love hate type of thing. Ive shot with them and don't like how much back ground gets covered and how busy the picture is.

mkmckinley
09-19-11, 22:04
I think the Horus definitely pushes the emphasis from CQB to the medium range side of the house. These optics are optimized to make our guys more effective at 400-600m, the distances a lot of engagements are happening at down range. 8X with a Horus is great for these ranges but you always need a 1X in case you find yourself in a CQB situation. As far as Horus reticles go the H27 is minimally distracting. I would rather have .5 mil graduations on an 8X rather than .2 however.

Sensei
09-19-11, 23:17
This is the first Horus reticle version that I've seen in civilian hands. However, I'm unable to determine from the review if the OP was actually able to purchase this version, or if he got to T&E it on loan. There is not even a listing for this version on most of the usual websites which leads me to believe that all Horus models are slated for the military contract. So, does anyone have any communication that the Horus version will be available for civilian purchase?