View Full Version : Remington 700 SPS Tactical AAC-SD Build In-Progress
SilentButDeadly
09-26-11, 14:53
I decided to start a Remington 700 .308 build, and wanted to start a thread to detail the progress of the build. I started out with a new Rem 700 SPS Tactical .308 AAC-SD model. As most, if not all of you know, this model comes from the factory with a 20" Threaded, 1:10 Twist, Varmint Contour Barrel, and a Hogue stock. I opted for the AAC-SD model, over the regular SPS Tactical, for the threaded barrel. It was only $50 extra, and will make things easier when it comes time to add a suppressor.
Stock Rem 700 AAC-SD With Hogue Stock
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l53/tgianotti/6b19550b.jpg
Current State Of The Build
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l53/tgianotti/f956294a.jpg
Remington 700 AAC-SD
Seekins 20MOA One-Piece Rail
Seekins 30mm Low Rings
HS Precision PST012 Stock
SWFA 10x42mm HD Scope
Bolt Knob Install From Phoenix Custom Rifles (Included Bolt Knob, Shroud Mod, Bolt Reinforcement, & Cerakote)
Cool. I miss the mushy soft recoil pad of the Hogue that I took off of mine. But the HS stock is so much better.
As most, if not all of you know, this model comes from the factory with a 20" threaded varmint contour barrel, and a Hogue stock.
Nice rifle and modifications.
Another important feature of the AAC-SD model, at least to me, is the 1:10 twist rate vs the 1:12 of the regular SPS Tactical.
Have you considered adding a 51T Blackout suppressor mount to it?
SilentButDeadly
09-26-11, 19:15
Have you considered adding a 51T Blackout suppressor mount to it?
Yeah, I was looking at that mount earlier today. Its definitely a possibility.
infidelprodigy
09-26-11, 19:39
I have a similar build nearing completion. Although I kept the NF scope and rings of of the FN SPR I sold, and used a Larue 20MOA base. All that is left is for Rifle Dynamics to finish inletting the HS stock for my CDI bottom metal that takes AI mags.
I even have the AAC 762SD with me awaiting the rifle!!!
Nice rifle and modifications.
Another important feature of the AAC-SD model, at least to me, is the 1:10 twist rate vs the 1:12 of the regular SPS Tactical.
What do you like about the 1/12 My LMT is 1/10. My rem 700 is 11.25. And I have looked around at various guns in 308. It seems to depend on barrel length and who knows what else for their decision.
Why do you like 1/12? Why do others like 1/12. Marks gun shoots almost exactly like mine and his is the SPS. Only thing that makes his better is the " puller" :D
Have you considered adding a 51T Blackout suppressor mount to it?
I'd get the Breakout. Pappabears gun has that. It's helpfull with recoil with unsupressed shooting.
AZ-Renegade
09-27-11, 19:34
How is the blast from the brakeout? I shot my buddy's 20 inch RRA 308 with a JP brake and from behind the trigger [with soft ear plugs] it was pretty bad.
I'd get the Breakout. Pappabears gun has that. It's helpfull with recoil with unsupressed shooting.
Good point. I love my breakout mount too though it is a bit loud without a can on. :smile:
How is the blast from the brakeout? I shot my buddy's 20 inch RRA 308 with a JP brake and from behind the trigger [with soft ear plugs] it was pretty bad.
Not bad at all. And I hate obnoxious brakes.
The coolest thing ever was these dudes with Mcmillan guns we shot with a few weeks back. They had these brakes on them that would cool you off if you were shooting next to them.... Not like that annoying blast... but a burst of wind on you. It was the weirdest feeling.
Cool. I miss the mushy soft recoil pad of the Hogue that I took off of mine. But the HS stock is so much better.
Would you, or the the OP, care to elaborate on this at all? Been seeing the factory stock getting punted on a lot of these.
@ the OP, nice rifle, been considering the same myself.
AAC makes 2 Brakes and one vortex like muzzle device
1 BRAKE, Double chamber Brake, VERY LOUD with no can
2 Brakeout, half brake and half flash hider (which doesnt work) but is a happy medium for a decent brake that isnt too loud.
Would you, or the the OP, care to elaborate on this at all? Been seeing the factory stock getting punted on a lot of these.
@ the OP, nice rifle, been considering the same myself.
It just has a great deal of flex. Its a gumby stock, not ideal for precision gun.
Would you, or the the OP, care to elaborate on this at all? Been seeing the factory stock getting punted on a lot of these.
Yeah... I got rid of mine. It just had a softer butt pad than the HS precisions do..... That was the nice part when you get into shooting 40 plus rounds in a session.
Other than the soft butt pad, the stock wasn't gonna cut it.
What do you like about the 1/12
Since you quoted me I assume you are asking me. I stated a preference for 1:10, not 1:12.
Conventional wisdom holds that the faster 1:10 stabilizes heavier bullets and sub sonics better. Conventional wisdom is also sometimes wrong.
That said, both probably shoot better than I am capable of. :D
I really need this Texas heat to break so I can get out and shoot!
Since you quoted me I assume you are asking me.
Yeah he was.... We're just trying to soak up as much info as we can.
SilentButDeadly
09-30-11, 15:13
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The SWFA SS 3-9x42mm came in and its awesome. Very high quality for the money. I've spent a good bit of time behind the Leupold Mk4 MR/T 2.5-8x36mm and I'd say that this scope is every bit as good. With that said, I've posted it on the EE for anyone interested. I have decided to use the SWFA 10x42mm HD on this build instead. I'll be posting pics of it shortly.
SilentButDeadly
10-03-11, 19:32
The SWFA SS 10x42mm HD scope came in and it is Awesome! I was able to get it for $500 on GunBroker with Butler Creek Caps, Sun Shade, ARD, & SWFA 30mm Rings! I won't be using the rings on this build though. I'll get pics posted up just as soon as my Seekins Rings get here.
Conventional wisdom holds that the faster 1:10 stabilizes heavier bullets and sub sonics better. Conventional wisdom is also sometimes wrong.
Not in that case it isn't. I've not had a single 308 in 1:12 that would shoot sub loads better than a 1:10. Also, when going to 18", I've not had a 1:12 shoot better than 1:10. With the longer barrel lengths I've not found a distinction, but when you get down to 20" or shorter, the 1:10 seems to win most of the time, but it can be kind of hard to draw a distinction and it does take time. Granted, I'm shooting 175-208gr bullets as well. Different recipe's may vary.
... yet I've not found anyone able to prove to me that a 1:12 is superior to a 1:10, while the reverse argument can be easily made. ---- The 155 scenar, palma, and several other designs prove my point. The longer the bullet, the greater the twist required to stabilize. Ergo - 1:10 is required for the 155's to retain stability at ranges beyond 1000yds in most cases.
Now this is shooting, so there are on certainties. I'm just conveying my own experiences as it pertains to twist.
SilentButDeadly
10-04-11, 12:15
Quick iPhone pic with the SWFA rings & SWFA SS 10x42mm HD scope. I'll post better pics when the Seekins rings come in, and I have some daylight.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l53/tgianotti/DSC02429-1.jpg
Should be able to hit a few targets with that. Go get it dirty ;)
SilentButDeadly
10-07-11, 15:49
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How does she shoot the heavier (175 gr and up) boolits! :D
Cheers,
Barney
SilentButDeadly
10-10-11, 10:01
How does she shoot the heavier (175 gr and up) boolits! :D
Cheers,
Barney
I'm hoping to find out this week. Trying to find time in my schedule to take her out. I've already got a bunch of FGMM 168gr & 175gr waiting to go out and play.
For what it's worth... my SPS loves them both. (168 and 175s)
Littlelebowski
10-10-11, 10:48
That thing is screaming for a Bolt Lift (http://www.kineticresearchgroup.com/products/boltlift.php)
SilentButDeadly, if you dont mind me asking, where'd you score the AAC model for $550? I'm about to delve into the precision bolt gun thing and the best I've come up with is the standard SPS Tac for $575 (albeit, shipped).
That thing is screaming for a Bolt Lift (http://www.kineticresearchgroup.com/products/boltlift.php)
That's a farking ingenious idea.
Littlelebowski
10-10-11, 11:33
That's a farking ingenious idea.
I have one on my AAC-SD and love it. Cheap, works as advertised, and made well. Insanely fast shipping.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h251/baxshep/photo10.jpg
I have one on my AAC-SD and love it. Cheap, works as advertised, and made well. Insanely fast shipping.
Is that a B&C stock? Great looking rifle El Duderino.
SilentButDeadly
10-10-11, 18:19
SilentButDeadly, if you dont mind me asking, where'd you score the AAC model for $550? I'm about to delve into the precision bolt gun thing and the best I've come up with is the standard SPS Tac for $575 (albeit, shipped).
That's a farking ingenious idea.
My local dealer (http://www.vanceoutdoors.com) has been selling the SPS Tactical for $499 and the AAC-SD for $549(Both prices after the Remington $40 Mail-In-Rebate).
I'm going to be going with a Phoenix Custom Rifles Bolt Knob.
Littlelebowski
10-12-11, 13:03
Is that a B&C stock? Great looking rifle El Duderino.
Yup, an M40 I got used off of the Hide.
Littlelebowski
10-12-11, 13:03
I'm going to be going with a Phoenix Custom Rifles Bolt Knob.
The Bolt Lift is $30. How much is that knob?
devilsdeeds
10-12-11, 15:12
The Bolt Lift is $30. How much is that knob?
Thanks for the link couldn't remember the name of that! The Phoenix custom knob is $95. I just got my 700 AAC-SD, $599 from Buds.
Littlelebowski
10-13-11, 17:47
Thanks for the link couldn't remember the name of that! The Phoenix custom knob is $95. I just got my 700 AAC-SD, $599 from Buds.
Plus how much for installing the knob? Go with the Bolt Lift and spend the savings on ammo.
Badger Ordnance bolt knobs run about $95 installed from GA Precision. They do great work, but you have to wait a month or so for turnaround. I think the bolt lift is a great idea.
With the right tools and basic know how, its not too difficult to DYI the Badger yourself. I, however, opted to fork out the $100 and have it done professionally. The Bolt Lift is a great idea and price though.
SilentButDeadly
10-14-11, 08:06
Phoenix Custom Rifles only has a 7 day turnaround on Bolt Knob installs. I'll be going that route. Haven't sent mine out yet because I'm suppose to go shooting on Sunday and kinda need the bolt.
devilsdeeds
10-14-11, 08:15
Plus how much for installing the knob? Go with the Bolt Lift and spend the savings on ammo.
The $95 includes installation, cerakote and return shipping with only a week turnaround. He has a few different knobs and will make a custom one and if you don't like it he'll send you a new one on his dime. Pretty good deal imo.
I won't be doing it yet, rather put that money towards a stock and ammo since I'm just entering the precision world.
The bolt lift is function over fashion. Custom knobs are simpley beautiful. Neither option is wrong...
The Bolt Lift is $30. How much is that knob?
$30, for the bolt lift sounds like a good option. It locks up solid??
Littlelebowski
10-14-11, 15:40
$30, for the bolt lift sounds like a good option. It locks up solid??
Rock solid. Even comes with loctite. I don't get putting a $95 bolt knob on a $600 rifle.
ForTehNguyen
10-14-11, 15:46
I have that Kinetic Research Group bolt lift too, you can install it with permanent epoxy if you want, I didnt and its still snug
I went the diy Badger route on mine. Was definitely nerve wracking, but it came out well.
Rock solid. Even comes with loctite. I don't get putting a $95 bolt knob on a $600 rifle.
LLB, true, but for me, if there where any logic in any of this I would have 1 shotgun , one rifle and one handgun. And only one SAFE. :D
So much for logic. The Phoenix boys were right down the street from me, so I couldn't resist. No regrets.
Littlelebowski
10-14-11, 18:30
LLB, true, but for me, if there where any logic in any of this I would have 1 shotgun , one rifle and one handgun. And only one SAFE. :D
So much for logic. The Phoenix boys were right down the street from me, so I couldn't resist. No regrets.
Fair enough :D
**** that... Pappa's bolt handle is NICE... A glob of plastic doesn't come close. And I don't think any decent bolt gun is sitting on the balance sheet at $600.
I personally don't mind the low profile of the standard bolt enough to do anything... but the quality of that bolt handle is worth every dime.
SilentButDeadly
10-14-11, 18:48
**** that... Pappa's bolt handle is NICE... A glob of plastic doesn't come close. And I don't think any decent bolt gun is sitting on the balance sheet at $600.
I personally don't mind the low profile of the standard bolt enough to do anything... but the quality of that bolt handle is worth every dime.
+1
Pappabear, do you mind posting a photo of the knob you went with? I'm still trying to decide which one I want. I like the three ring Varminter and the Marksman.
Littlelebowski
10-14-11, 18:49
**** that... Pappa's bolt handle is NICE... A glob of plastic doesn't come close. And I don't think any decent bolt gun is sitting on the balance sheet at $600.
I personally don't mind the low profile of the standard bolt enough to do anything... but the quality of that bolt handle is worth every dime.
What does it do better aside from aesthetics?
+1
Pappabear, do you mind posting a photo of the knob you went with? I'm still trying to decide which one I want. I like the three ring Varminter and the Marksman.
http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz142/Pappabear6940/DSC_0360.jpg
The priority is goes like this IMHO, Stock-Trigger, shooters pack, Bolt Handle
What does it do better aside from aesthetics?
Never tried the Polymer one... so I haven't a clue.:confused: They're two things that accomplish the same objective.
It just doesn't strike me as an outrageous price for a professional install.
devilsdeeds
10-17-11, 15:04
I just put the bolt lift on mine and it is solid(I thought it was aluminum at first from it's weight). There is no play in it and it makes operating the bolt much easier imo, well worth the money and allows me to put the money saved towards a stock and then later on after other upgrades I'll get a phoenix bolt installed.
If it works it works, has worked for many before you as is probably good to go as is. good luck and post a pic.
Littlelebowski
10-17-11, 21:02
**** that... Pappa's bolt handle is NICE... A glob of plastic doesn't come close. And I don't think any decent bolt gun is sitting on the balance sheet at $600.
Guess my AAC-SD just sucks then as it retails for around that.
This is starting to feel like a 1911 thread with the gushing over aesthetics.
Guess my AAC-SD just sucks then as it retails for around that.
This is starting to feel like a 1911 thread with the gushing over aesthetics.
No no no.... You're looking for a fight where there isn't one. I'm SAYING that once you get your gun, trigger, base, stock, rings, and GLASS on your gun... you're sitting on a $1500 minimum asset.
A nice bolt handle is a sliver at that point. If a glob of plastic is working for you fine. I'm not faulting either choice.
Mark... you stop making sense like an asshole this instant! How are people suppose to get in pissing matches with you if you keep that up!!!???
http://www.primalrights.com/forum/images/smilies/lmfao.gif
Gutshot John
10-18-11, 13:28
The price of glass is the price of glass. You'd have to buy mount, rings and glass anyways.
I think the Dude was talking about the base price of the rifle since $600 is about the cheapest you're going to find an SPS-AAC new.
SilentButDeadly
11-03-11, 18:32
Updated Pics with Seekins Rings & PCR Bolt Knob.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l53/tgianotti/c96ecf51.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l53/tgianotti/6402ce01-1.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l53/tgianotti/fc4893a2.jpg
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l53/tgianotti/f956294a.jpg
PCR 3-Ringed Varminter Bolt Knob, Shroud Mod, Bolt Reinforcement & Cerakote
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l53/tgianotti/6ac2a0e1.jpg
Nice looking rig congrats
QuietShootr
11-03-11, 21:35
OK, I got one too. No glass yet.
How does it shoot? Seen lots of talk about bolt knobs and aesthetics, but I want a range report.
Whats the cost on that screw install securing the bolt handle to the bolt body?
Is it considered a reliability upgrade or non-necessity?
What glass is on that stick?
SilentButDeadly
11-04-11, 08:27
Whats the cost on that screw install securing the bolt handle to the bolt body?
Is it considered a reliability upgrade or non-necessity?
I think PCR charged $35 to do it. I don't believe it's a necessity by any means, but I went ahead and had it done along with the other bolt modifications. It's supposed to make it stronger.
SilentButDeadly
11-04-11, 08:31
What glass is on that stick?
SWFA 10x42HD (http://swfa.com/SWFA-SS-10x42-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P50717.aspx)
SilentButDeadly
11-04-11, 08:49
OK, I got one too. No glass yet.
How does it shoot? Seen lots of talk about bolt knobs and aesthetics, but I want a range report.
I'll try to post one as soon as I get a chance to get it out. The long guns are harder for me to get out around here as there aren't many ranges with enough distance to make it worthwhile, and the friends of mine who own land in volume don't want to shoot because it's bow season and they don't want to scare the deer away. I got the long guns out last weekend but couldn't take this one because the bolt was at PCR. As it sits, I expect this gun to shoot somewhere between .5-.75 MOA.
I think PCR charged $35 to do it. I don't believe it's a necessity by any means, but I went ahead and had it done along with the other bolt modifications. It's supposed to make it stronger.
Thanks for the info. I was just wondering based on some people saying the brazed on handle of the 700 is a weak point.
FWIW I haven't had an issue with mine yet
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