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Rob Haught Shotgun Class October 1,2 Echo Valley Training Center High View, W.Va.
AAR Posted by SteveD on FFT forum;
http://www.firearmstrainingandtactics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1737&p=23500#post23500
This class was a “how to shoot” shotgun class and not a tactics class. Rob made this quite clear, since we had a mixture of agency and civilians in the class. With that said, I think he does an excellent job.
We started day one with a safety briefing and course content. Rob stated what we would cover each day, and make special mention about “teachable” items. As stated earlier, some students were also instructors for their departments, and these items would be very important to be able to take back and teach.
Once on the range Rob taught us his “push/pull” method for shooting the shotgun. Rob showed us how it works, being a little nervous since this was the first time he was shooting a shotgun since shoulder surgery. His splits for a pump action shotgun were faster than some pistol shooters. His method allows for very fast follow-up shots and minimal muzzle rise. He stated that by the end of the two days we would be sick of hearing him say “Again”. We ran drills starting with one round, progressing into two and three round strings.
Rob’s method really works at reducing recoil, and he stated that the shotgun is a self correcting tool…if you do it wrong you’ll know. This was important as our next skill set was the close quarters hold, with the butt of the shotgun riding over the bicep, reducing the length of the shotgun to that of a pistol. Shooting the shotgun in this configuration was meant for room distances, so we sighted over the barrel. His 3 steps allowed for proper orientation and height, and we were hitting the targets consistently at 8 yards. Day one finished with some turning drills, both with the standard hold and the CQ hold.
We started day 2 with a 25 round drill that Rob stated we could use to maintain our skills. After a brief warm-up we switched over to buckshot, and a brief discussion followed about patterning and loads. It was impressive to watch his 14” put 8 pellets of Federal trueflight on a standard IPSC target at about 45 yards. Closer shots (8-10 yards) yielded one ragged hole. This stuff is simply amazing.
We then started with transitions to the pistol. Rob explained how each type of sling, and no sling operate with transitioning to a pistol. We all ran each drill to be sure we knew what to do with each option. We ran the box drill, both straight shotgun and with transitions to the pistol. We did a drill where you moved forward and backward, shooting one round and changing direction on each “Up” command. The idea was to keep the shotgun full, and the commands were coming quicker as we went.
We finished day 2 with a student shooting contest. Rob set up the flying M using 3 plates for each student. You had to load 2, then shoot the middle and the farthest plate, reload and shoot the closest plate. It was run double elimination and the lucky winner received a very nice prize.
Using Rob’s method of push-pull reduces the recoil, and it was very apparent while shooting the buckshot and slugs that it works, and works well. Shooting almost 600 rounds over 2 days with no sore shoulder or bruising is proof that it works. I would highly recommend this class.
Grey Group Training:
www.greygrouptraining.com
Rob Haught Shotgun Class October 1,2 Echo Valley Training Center High View, W.Va.
AAR Posted by SteveD on FFT forum;
http://www.firearmstrainingandtactics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1737&p=23500#post23500
This class was a “how to shoot” shotgun class and not a tactics class. Rob made this quite clear, since we had a mixture of agency and civilians in the class. With that said, I think he does an excellent job.
We started day one with a safety briefing and course content. Rob stated what we would cover each day, and make special mention about “teachable” items. As stated earlier, some students were also instructors for their departments, and these items would be very important to be able to take back and teach.
Once on the range Rob taught us his “push/pull” method for shooting the shotgun. Rob showed us how it works, being a little nervous since this was the first time he was shooting a shotgun since shoulder surgery. His splits for a pump action shotgun were faster than some pistol shooters. His method allows for very fast follow-up shots and minimal muzzle rise. He stated that by the end of the two days we would be sick of hearing him say “Again”. We ran drills starting with one round, progressing into two and three round strings.
Rob’s method really works at reducing recoil, and he stated that the shotgun is a self correcting tool…if you do it wrong you’ll know. This was important as our next skill set was the close quarters hold, with the butt of the shotgun riding over the bicep, reducing the length of the shotgun to that of a pistol. Shooting the shotgun in this configuration was meant for room distances, so we sighted over the barrel. His 3 steps allowed for proper orientation and height, and we were hitting the targets consistently at 8 yards. Day one finished with some turning drills, both with the standard hold and the CQ hold.
We started day 2 with a 25 round drill that Rob stated we could use to maintain our skills. After a brief warm-up we switched over to buckshot, and a brief discussion followed about patterning and loads. It was impressive to watch his 14” put 8 pellets of Federal trueflight on a standard IPSC target at about 45 yards. Closer shots (8-10 yards) yielded one ragged hole. This stuff is simply amazing.
We then started with transitions to the pistol. Rob explained how each type of sling, and no sling operate with transitioning to a pistol. We all ran each drill to be sure we knew what to do with each option. We ran the box drill, both straight shotgun and with transitions to the pistol. We did a drill where you moved forward and backward, shooting one round and changing direction on each “Up” command. The idea was to keep the shotgun full, and the commands were coming quicker as we went.
We finished day 2 with a student shooting contest. Rob set up the flying M using 3 plates for each student. You had to load 2, then shoot the middle and the farthest plate, reload and shoot the closest plate. It was run double elimination and the lucky winner received a very nice prize.
Using Rob’s method of push-pull reduces the recoil, and it was very apparent while shooting the buckshot and slugs that it works, and works well. Shooting almost 600 rounds over 2 days with no sore shoulder or bruising is proof that it works. I would highly recommend this class.