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VA_Dinger
10-11-11, 15:19
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Rob Haught Shotgun Class October 1,2 Echo Valley Training Center High View, W.Va.

AAR Posted by SteveD on FFT forum;
http://www.firearmstrainingandtactics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1737&p=23500#post23500

This class was a “how to shoot” shotgun class and not a tactics class. Rob made this quite clear, since we had a mixture of agency and civilians in the class. With that said, I think he does an excellent job.

We started day one with a safety briefing and course content. Rob stated what we would cover each day, and make special mention about “teachable” items. As stated earlier, some students were also instructors for their departments, and these items would be very important to be able to take back and teach.

Once on the range Rob taught us his “push/pull” method for shooting the shotgun. Rob showed us how it works, being a little nervous since this was the first time he was shooting a shotgun since shoulder surgery. His splits for a pump action shotgun were faster than some pistol shooters. His method allows for very fast follow-up shots and minimal muzzle rise. He stated that by the end of the two days we would be sick of hearing him say “Again”. We ran drills starting with one round, progressing into two and three round strings.

Rob’s method really works at reducing recoil, and he stated that the shotgun is a self correcting tool…if you do it wrong you’ll know. This was important as our next skill set was the close quarters hold, with the butt of the shotgun riding over the bicep, reducing the length of the shotgun to that of a pistol. Shooting the shotgun in this configuration was meant for room distances, so we sighted over the barrel. His 3 steps allowed for proper orientation and height, and we were hitting the targets consistently at 8 yards. Day one finished with some turning drills, both with the standard hold and the CQ hold.

We started day 2 with a 25 round drill that Rob stated we could use to maintain our skills. After a brief warm-up we switched over to buckshot, and a brief discussion followed about patterning and loads. It was impressive to watch his 14” put 8 pellets of Federal trueflight on a standard IPSC target at about 45 yards. Closer shots (8-10 yards) yielded one ragged hole. This stuff is simply amazing.

We then started with transitions to the pistol. Rob explained how each type of sling, and no sling operate with transitioning to a pistol. We all ran each drill to be sure we knew what to do with each option. We ran the box drill, both straight shotgun and with transitions to the pistol. We did a drill where you moved forward and backward, shooting one round and changing direction on each “Up” command. The idea was to keep the shotgun full, and the commands were coming quicker as we went.

We finished day 2 with a student shooting contest. Rob set up the flying M using 3 plates for each student. You had to load 2, then shoot the middle and the farthest plate, reload and shoot the closest plate. It was run double elimination and the lucky winner received a very nice prize.

Using Rob’s method of push-pull reduces the recoil, and it was very apparent while shooting the buckshot and slugs that it works, and works well. Shooting almost 600 rounds over 2 days with no sore shoulder or bruising is proof that it works. I would highly recommend this class.

VA_Dinger
10-11-11, 15:25
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boatdriver9533
10-12-11, 07:33
I also attended the 2 day shotgun class by Rob Haught organized by Grey Group Training of Fayetteville, NC held at the Echo Valley Training Center in High View, WV.
I had intially signed up for this course to be held in VA Beach in July of 2011 which was cancelled due to medical issues with Rob. I am glad I decided to take this class. I stayed at the Holiday Inn Express in Winchester which has a special rate for classes at Echo Valley. Friday night I met Rob and his assistant instructors and a deputy from his agency who was a fellow student.
Both days were rainy and cooler then the weather I had in NC the week before. Day 1 started out with an introduction by Rob about himself and how the Push-Pull Technique had been developed through his experiences in competition and how Scott Warren had helped analyse what Rob was doing. T
The range was Semi-Hot all weekend (loaded sidearms, shotguns loaded only on the line, with the number of shells specified for each evolution. Singles, doubles, triples, multiple targets, turns, pivots, reloads were all covered. Moving and shooting isn't as easy as it sounds when you change directions after each shot.
Day 2 started with warm up drills and then moved to use of slings, transitions to sidearms, slug selection drills, and the CQB short sticking technique. Box drills with reloads, and use of CQB and regular push-pull incorporated into the drills. Shooting slug selection with 3 birdshot loaded with 2 to steel then slug selection to an IPSC target 30 yards away. 25 round drill covering the skills needed to keep proficiency. The final evolution was a man on man shoot off with the winner getting a certificate from a firm in Berryville, AR.
14" guns rock (we had several firearms instructors from a Federal Agency in the class). Short Stocks are a good thing for a defensive shotgun, 2 point slings are good (be careful about running too much slack as we had 2 shooters shoot the slings off the gun). Side saddles are good, 4 rounds balance well on 870s. Lights on work guns and self defence guns are very good. Optics are something which we will see on more shotguns, the shooters using EoTechs were in the top 4 in the class shoot off.
Shotgun classes are not popular compared to carbine courses, but they are something we all should take and this was worth the time and money.
I have several things I am doing to my 870 that I used in the class, Viking Tactics Sling(already on the weapon), a short stock (Speedfeed IVs). The other thing is, take a duty holster for your sidearm (running a paddle in class was not the best choice).

Shawn.L
10-23-11, 16:04
Got to do a little shotgun shooting with SteveD today.
Brought out some steel and he showed me what a difference technique can make !

thatpanda
11-12-11, 21:51
Excellent class! I have nothing more to add on top of what's already been said. Good training with all of you that attended, I think we all came out much better shooters than when we went in.

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