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Better get ready for the usual.
"Where can I get some?"
"How much does it run per box?"
"What kind of ballistics?"
Looking forward to the release of this new product!:D
$12.99 MSRP a box.
Crimped.
Waterproof primer.
Double-struck (NATO hardness) brass.
Open Tip match (nose struck closed).
About a 0.300 BC at 2250 fps.
Annealed with visible mark for verification.
Full-out-awesome, and I am very proud of the ammunition engineers for taking the dream-approach on this.
There will be no shortage of this. If the market wants a million rounds a month, it will get it. It has its own machines.
Gun makers - make guns.
Please note - this bullet is probably as long as a 150 grain 308 but is lighter due to having a hollow nose cavity. What that means is - it uses as much copper as a typical 308, and it was very hard to make this come at the price it is. It has way more than twice the copper of a 55 grain 223, and for that reason, it can never be as cheap as 223. More is more and costs more. This is no poodle-shooter.
Are we still on track for a release of this ammo next month?
I'm looking forward to it.
Thanks for all the hard work you've put into this.
Please note - this bullet is probably as long as a 150 grain 308 but is lighter due to having a hollow nose cavity. What that means is - it uses as much copper as a typical 308, and it was very hard to make this come at the price it is. It has way more than twice the copper of a 55 grain 223, and for that reason, it can never be as cheap as 223. More is more and costs more. This is no poodle-shooter.
This is awesome! Almost sounds like it is similar to the Russian 7n6 for the 5.45 guns. Can't wait to get my hands on a case or two. Sounds like higher end fodder than the typical UMC ammo we see from Remington.
Lapua 123 grain 7.62x39mm - 712 Joules at 300 meters (16.5 inch barrel).
http://www.lapua.com/en/products/special-purpose/centerfire-rifle/19
Remington UMC 115 grain 300 AAC Blackout - 755 Joules at 300 meters (16.0 inch barrel (0.300 BC, 2250 fps muzzle velocity)).
Advantage - 300 AAC Blackout by 5.8%, even with slightly shorter barrel.
Remington Match 125 grain 300 AAC Blackout - 842 Joules at 300 meters (16.0 inch barrel (0.320 BC, 2220 fps muzzle velocity)).
Advantage - 300 AAC Blackout by 16.7%, even with slightly shorter barrel.
Jargonhead
11-03-11, 19:48
Thanks again Robert
Rob
infidelprodigy
11-03-11, 20:59
Thanks Robert for all the ballistic info and the baseline with 7.62x39
I see a .300blk upper more and more in my future.....
SomeOtherGuy
11-03-11, 21:06
Open Tip match (nose struck closed).
About a 0.300 BC at 2250 fps.
What I'm about to ask is not meant as an attack, but is a "what happened?" type question. For some time after the AK-style 123gr FMJ bullet was cancelled you were talking about a 125gr OTM design for the cheap UMC ammo. In the post linked below, you said "this 125 grain flat-base bullet has the same BC as a 135 grain Sierra MatchKing Boat Tail."
https://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=980484&postcount=451
When I look up Sierra bullets, they report the 135gr HPBT as having a BC of .370 between 1900 and 3250fps:
http://www.sierrabullets.com/index.cfm?section=bullets&page=bc&stock_num=2123&bullettype=0
I had thought the claimed .370 BC was entirely plausible given that Nosler lists a 125gr Ballistic Tip .308 with a .366 BC:
http://www.nosler.com/Bullets/Ballistic-Tip.aspx
I also remember reading a statement that the 125gr UMC ammo would be at 2320fps or so, but I can't locate that in print at the moment.
So, I had been expecting the UMC ammo to have a 125gr bullet with a .370 BC and a muzzle velocity slightly over 2300fps, which produces fairly good retained velocity and energy in the 100-300 yard range, and not awful out to 500+ yards. The UMC ammo introduced above is 115gr at apparently lower velocity and with a mediocre .300 BC. I'm just wondering - what caused this change? Hornady's 110gr loading is claiming 2375fps with a .290 BC, and since it's advertised as a 300 Whisper I assume they have to limit its pressure a bit more due to the chamber variations.
When I look up Sierra bullets, they report the 135gr HPBT as having a BC of .370 between 1900 and 3250fps
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/899294/sierra-matchking-bullets-300-aac-blackout-308-diameter-125-grain-open-tip-match-otm-box-of-100-bulk-packaged
You are trying to compare claimed BCs to actual BCs. Sierra rates the 125 grain 300 BLK BC as 0.349. That is pretty close to 0.370 - but yes, it did not end up as high. It happened because the first BCs back in April were computer predicted, and the final BC was radar measured of actual projectiles. If you measure the Sierra 125 BC at the actual velocities in question, it is more like a 0.320.
It is not a good idea to compare BCs from one maker to another - especially when the Nosler is tested at 3200 fps and the Remington at 2200 fps. Even at the same velocity, they may measure with different methods.
0.300 is actually an exceptional BC for a 115 grain 30 caliber bullet if we are talking true/measured BC and not inflated claimed BCs - and that is a result of the unusually long length. If you compare it to the a measured BC of the Hornady 110 V-MAX (not the claimed BC), it should be significantly higher.
I don't remember making claims about the UMC velocity, but the fact that this outperforms Lapua 7.62x39mm ammo at longer ranges, while using a much smaller case capacity, should be evidence that this is quite an accomplishment for the Remington ammo engineers.
Well, I for one am very excited! I just submitted my paperwork for my first SBR, which will have a 9" bbl 300blk upper, then a can. Thanks for all the hard work RSilvers.
SomeOtherGuy
11-03-11, 23:17
Thanks for the clarifications. As I said before, it was not meant as an attack. And the velocity I remembered may have been someone else's speculation, since I can't find it written anywhere.
EDIT: I found where I got the velocity claim from - the official 300 AAC Blackout website and detailed PDF. The website has since been updated, but the PDF I downloaded late last year, which was apparently made on 10/13/10, lists on page 15 a velocity of 2315fps for the 123gr MC cartridge in a 16" barrel. Obviously specs changed as the bullet type changed, but I did have a basis for expecting that velocity.
I had the opportunity to shoot this round a couple of weeks ago. It is very soft shooting and the report is not obnoxious. It is very quiet in fact. I will be looking for reloading dies, and if readily available I may pick up an upper.
JeepDriver
11-04-11, 11:03
I hope this hits store shelves soon.
I may start some paper work on a new SBR if it does.
mkmckinley
11-04-11, 11:40
To the OP: It's awesome to see some serious options starting to come out in .300 AAC. Having using military grade brass, sealed primers and a good crimp is a big deal to me. It shows attention to detail on your and the engineers part. If I were to buy a few thousand rounds of this stuff for a rainy day I wouldn't want it to be plinker ammo. It's obvious that a lot of hard work is going into the caliber. My next upper will definitely be a .300 AAC and sooner rather than later. Thanks for your efforts and for keeping us updated on the developments.
You know, the 6.8 guys aren't going to like this!
I want I want I want. I have to wait until after tax time to get the upper, so I am converting all my GI mags to Magpul followers. By the time I am done more companies will have uppers and the price may come down on a 16" AAC upper, gotta throw them some love for developing this round commercially.
You know, the 6.8 guys aren't going to like this!
Why is that? I'm a 6.8 guy...and a 5.56 guy...and so on. Having more calibers to choose for (a) particular application(s) with the AR is great. Even better if they're more affordable.
I like you am a man of many calibers. But there seems to be a lot of animosity over on the 6.8 forums.
Because they want lower priced 6.8 ammo.
My prediction for 300 BLK - within 6 months you will be able to buy 300 AAC BLACKOUT ammo for $9-$10 a box.
Within 3 months there will be uppers for sale for under $300.
Within two years (three years after introduction), it will be the #2 centerfire rifle cartridge for the AR15. There are already about 65 companies involved.
I like you am a man of many calibers. But there seems to be a lot of animosity over on the 6.8 forums.
You know, the 6.8 guys aren't going to like this!
I'm just giong to ditch my 6.8 dream. The gun is getting turned back to a 5.56 within a couple months. I like everything I see going on with 300BLK but I wont be jumping into it until I see the rsilver's prediction coming to pass.
I would have been happy to see affordable 6.8 ammo come out, but it's nice to see actual effort in the industry with the 300BLK; let the 6.8 guys cry :cray:
I don't mean to drift the thread but I think the 6.8 guys are just as much to blame as any one group for the "failure" of that cartridge. Those guys can't even agree on which chamber is the best (there appear to be three different drawings) and can't accept anyone's evidence that one chamber isn't necessarily better than another. Same goes for rifling twist and primer pockets.
And I like the 6.8 and have two rifles chambered for it.
Because they want lower priced 6.8 ammo.
My prediction for 300 BLK - within 6 months you will be able to buy 300 AAC BLACKOUT ammo for $9-$10 a box.
Within 3 months there will be uppers for sale for under $300.
Within two years (three years after introduction), it will be the #2 centerfire rifle cartridge for the AR15. There are already about 65 companies involved.
I guess I can wait just a little bit longer for an upper chambered in this round. Would love to get an upper for 300 bucks in any caliber other than .223.
Yah don't need to wait because even if I am incorrect and it does not happen, you can just replace the barrel with a 5.56mm one and be back to 5.56mm. Same bolt, same magazines. There may be some risk, but the cost of changing your mind is low this time.
I was hoping to have a .300 set up before this years deer season, looks like I'll be using my carbine to hunt next year though. Bills got in the way.
I am really looking forward to shooting and testing a quality .300 upper. I think this may be a really great idea for a patrol rifle caliber as well.
Suwannee Tim
11-05-11, 09:00
You know, the 6.8 guys aren't going to like this!
I'm a 6.8 guy and I think it's fine. The 6.8 children won't like it.
JeepDriver
11-05-11, 12:38
What was the test barrel length ?
16 inches.
When we had to decide on the SAAMI standard barrel length, the normal thing to do would be to pick 24 - as that is the standard rifle test barrel.
But who uses 24 inch barrels anyway - for this or any predominantly AR cartridge?
So we made 16 inches the standard barrel length so that the published specs would be attainable in most actual rifles. Novel concept.
16 inches.
When we had to decide on the SAAMI standard barrel length, the normal thing to do would be to pick 24 - as that is the standard rifle test barrel.
Is there any significant performance increase with a slightly longer barrel like an eighteen or twenty? I'd guess not given the powder charge in the case. But I'm still curious.
Yes, longer barrels give significantly more velocity. We are just lucky that for this cartridge 16 inch happens to be the sweet spot. We can rationalize it all we want, but the sweet spot for 223 is around 24 inches, with 20 being on the short side, and 16 being a big loss of efficiency (and less than 16 being horribly inefficient).
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7426/300blk.jpg
My prediction for 300 BLK - within 6 months you will be able to buy 300 AAC BLACKOUT ammo for $9-$10 a box.
I really hope this comes to pass. It would make it easier on the regular guy to pick up some ammo for classes, matches, or just range time. Which would all be towards making it more popular and needing more uppers, etc.
Yah don't need to wait because even if I am incorrect and it does not happen, you can just replace the barrel with a 5.56mm one and be back to 5.56mm. Same bolt, same magazines. There may be some risk, but the cost of changing your mind is low this time.
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RSilvers,
I apologize for my ignorance but I have a few questions.
- Is the "barrel" all that it takes to shoot the 300?
- Uses the same H Buffer and Buffer Spring?
- Does the 300 use a carbine, middy, or rifle gas system?
That's it.
Thanks
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JeepDriver
11-05-11, 15:19
16 inches.
When we had to decide on the SAAMI standard barrel length, the normal thing to do would be to pick 24 - as that is the standard rifle test barrel.
But who uses 24 inch barrels anyway - for this or any predominantly AR cartridge?
So we made 16 inches the standard barrel length so that the published specs would be attainable in most actual rifles. Novel concept.
Do you have numbers for shorter barrels ?
I'm interested in the 12" Noveske barrel. I'm curious what the velocity loss would be.
I really hope this comes to pass. It would make it easier on the regular guy to pick up some ammo for classes, matches, or just range time. Which would all be towards making it more popular and needing more uppers, etc.
It has to happen, because this UMC, given the custom bullet, and NATO-hardness annealed-neck properly head-stamped brass will be $10.50 to $11.50 at places like Cheaper Than Dirt within a few months.
So all of the ammo made from reformed brass and less-than-optimal pulled bullets will have to be at the very least $2 a box cheaper for anyone to want to buy it.
Do you have numbers for shorter barrels ?
I'm interested in the 12" Noveske barrel. I'm curious what the velocity loss would be.
The Remington Match ammo that is 2220 fps in a 16 inch barrel is 2050 fps in a 9 inch.
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RSilvers,
I apologize for my ignorance but I have a few questions.
- Is the "barrel" all that it takes to shoot the 300?
- Uses the same H Buffer and Buffer Spring?
- Does the 300 use a carbine, middy, or rifle gas system?
That's it.
Thanks
.
Yes, just a barrel.
Carbine gas for 16 inch and longer barrels.
Pistol gas for under 16 inch barrels.
At least for DI. Piston may differ.
Suwannee Tim
11-05-11, 19:34
......http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/7426/300blk.jpg
Tell me about this graph. What program was used to generate it? What are the parameters?
QuickLoad with H110 powder and a 110 grain bullet, set to 55,000 psi.
16 inches.
When we had to decide on the SAAMI standard barrel length, the normal thing to do would be to pick 24 - as that is the standard rifle test barrel.
But who uses 24 inch barrels anyway - for this or any predominantly AR cartridge?
So we made 16 inches the standard barrel length so that the published specs would be attainable in most actual rifles. Novel concept.
I can really appreciate this kind of rationale.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/547535/remington-umc-ammunition-300-aac-blackout-762x35mm-115-grain-full-metal-jacket-box-of-20
You are making my wallet hurt.
ETA: Have you guys shot this 115 grain UMC round in some ballistics gel? With the open air pocket it seems it would yaw reliably much like the Soviet 5.45 is supposed to.
We did not gel test it. So someone can be the first to do that.
I hope it breaks apart more reliably than the Russian round, though. Yawing is good but it needs the fragmentation to make that temporary cavity more permanent.
-B
Eurodriver
12-07-11, 10:24
I've already convinced a buddy to buy an AAC 300 BLK upper, and its going to be the next upper I buy as well.
But $13 a box is still out of my price range for serious social work. I know its not 5.56 and it will eventually come down but for right now $650/1000 rounds is too much.
Is reloading worth it? From a cost standpoint, I'm not concerned with precision out of a 9" barrel. Consider I will have to buy a press, powder, cases, bullets, etc.
I really like this cartridge and that is the only thing holding me back. I even bought an AAC 762SD because I knew by the time my can is approved I'll have the upper for it.
The UMC ammo will drive the ammo made from reformed brass down to $8-9 a box.
Eurodriver
12-07-11, 10:34
The UMC ammo will drive the ammo made from reformed brass down to $8-9 a box.
Off topic, but would you feel comfortable shooting 300BLK through a 762SD out of a 9" barrel?
Would using subsonic ammo lessen the blast the can receives to a point where wear is not an issue?
Yes, 9 inch is fine.
Subsonic should erode less.
SomeOtherGuy
12-07-11, 11:12
But $13 a box is still out of my price range for serious social work. I know its not 5.56 and it will eventually come down but for right now $650/1000 rounds is too much.
How many bad guys do you need to shoot? :confused: I think the beauty of this (and 6.8 SPC would work almost the same) is that you can practice your skills and test most of your equipment (lower half, at least) with cheaper 5.56 ammo, then switch to the more effective 300BLK for "social work." You still need some practice with 300BLK to break in and test the upper and ensure complete familiarity, but you don't need cases and cases and cases if your platform is the same as a 5.56 you practice with.
Is reloading worth it? From a cost standpoint, I'm not concerned with precision out of a 9" barrel. Consider I will have to buy a press, powder, cases, bullets, etc.
For someone who already owns the reloading equipment and is ignoring the cost of dies (only about $30 anyway), I calculated that I could do cheap practice ammo (147gr FMJ) for 30 cents/rd and nicer quality ammo (125gr Sierra OTM) for 45 cents/rd. Some people could reload for a bit less still using cheaper bullets or buying in huge quantities or whatever. In comparison I can reload .223 for 20 cents/rd and don't usually bother as long as factory ammo is 28-32 cents/rd.
There are 10 cents a case BLK cases now, if you don't mind improper headstamps and made from once-fired brass. The fact that it can be made from free-range pickup 223 or 5.56mm brass ensures it will never go away.
Will these feed from a PMAG, or USGI only?
SomeOtherGuy
12-09-11, 21:22
Will these feed from a PMAG, or USGI only?
Most of AAC's promotion has shown 30rd Pmags in use.
I have personally been using 30rd Pmags and 30rd Troy CBIR mags with my 300BLK upper with no feeding problems. However, I've done very limited testing so far.
All I've read is that 300BLK should feed from any conventional 5 to 30rd AR15 magazine as long as the bullet is seated so that the bullet diameter is below a certain diameter where it contacts the magazine rib. Apparently the round doesn't feed reliably in the Surefire 60 and 100rd mags or in Beta-C mags.
Has anybody tried the HK ar15 mag with 300 blackout ?
My handloaded 300 BLK run fine in my HK mags. Bullet design limits OAL(where the bullet rides the rib), so I can't use the longer OAL length the mag offers.
AAC is working with many bullet makers, and some projectiles in the future might be able to use the extra OAL the HK has, and we will see velocity improvement. With the Blackout still being New to the public at large, the tinker'ers haven't had time to ring out the load development, the best loads are yet to come!!
Yes these UMC loads use a custom "long pointy" bullet.
I was wondering if these feed fine in a PMAG, which has the rib further back.
updated timeline on the UMC release? :)
I know the ammo is in stock at Remington now. What I don't know is if they ship on Saturday, and if they are even open on Monday. But that fact that it is now made and exists is 99% of the battle. If it does not ship on Monday, it will ship the day they reopen.
Some cheap sources of ammo:
http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=78482
http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=151&t=78183
http://shop.bullseyeindoorrange.com/images/008%20(800x601).jpg
Robert,
First of all, thanks for all of your hard work in bringing 300 AAC Blackout and the UMC loading to fruition. I purchased 200 rounds of the 115 gr UMC ammo from MidwayUSA in late December. The ammo functions perfectly in my 16-in SI Defense barrel with carbine length gas, after opening up the gas port from 0.063" to 0.110". Also, 220 gr subs and 147 gr full-power now cycle perfectly. FYI, I only run unsuppressed. Prior to opening up the gas port, none of the three loads that I have tried would cycle the action. If anybody cares, I am running a BCM FA BCG, and a standard carbine action spring and buffer - although I may experiment with an H-buffer to see how it affects cycling harshness.
Right now, the 115-gr UMC ammo is on backorder everywhere that I have looked. Any idea when Remington will begin shipping the next batch?
Thanks again,
Steve
Remington is making it every month, and it is in constant production trying to keep up with demand.
This place had 100,000 rounds earlier this week, but it is sold out already:
http://www.richiespng.com/product.php?item=136515
They are selling it for $10.80 a box - which on November 29th last year I predicted:
http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=128&t=78277
"Next year: UMC ammo street price $10.80?"
Robert,
Thanks for the quick reply. I am glad to hear (but not at all surprised)that this cartridge is becoming so popular. Thanks for the link, which I will check daily for availability. I think I will order more than 200 rounds when it becomes available again. :)
On 300blktalk, they were saying sub-$.50/round reformed brass ammo. Is this going to be a reality within the next year? If so, I better get my SBR and suppressor paperwork.
Also, any word on whether someone will come out with a plinker steel-case option for .300 AAC?
Maybe by the time Midway decides to get some, my backorder may be cheaper.
Maybe by the time Midway decides to get some, my backorder may be cheaper.
Amen. Mine has been on backorder since Jan 19, and Midway keeps pushing the date further out. Right now they are showing a ship date of Mar 31. I am keeping my eye on the link that Robert posted above http://www.richiespng.com/product.php?item=136515. Too bad I missed that opportunity last week. On the upside, it is good to see that this cartridge has caught on so quickly.
On 300blktalk, they were saying sub-$.50/round reformed brass ammo. Is this going to be a reality within the next year? If so, I better get my SBR and suppressor paperwork.
With some dealers selling the UMC for $10.80 - and with that ammo having these features:
1. OTM bullet.
2. Custom bullet that is long for high BC and optimal profile for feeding.
3. Crimped primers.
4. Waterproof primers.
5. Annealed new cases with double-struck NATO-like hardness.
Then I assume ammo made from reformed brass and pulled bullets of non-optimal shape need to be at least $2 a box less to be interesting. So you should see the price come down as more people buy the UMC and fewer buy the reformed ammo, until the pricing adjusts to compensate.
Also, any word on whether someone will come out with a plinker steel-case option for .300 AAC?
Bill Alexander posted he wanted to work on that.
these guys are GTG,
$130 shipped per case is acceptable for me
http://shop.bullseyeindoorrange.com/Remington-UMC-115gr-300BLK-200rd-Case-Rem-UMC-115gr-300BLK-200rds.htm
these guys are GTG,
$130 shipped per case is acceptable for me
http://shop.bullseyeindoorrange.com/Remington-UMC-115gr-300BLK-200rd-Case-Rem-UMC-115gr-300BLK-200rds.htm
Free ground shipping makes the price very competitive. I just ordered a case. Thanks for the info.
Kickin-Ewoks
02-26-12, 22:28
I'm a 6.8 guy and I think it's fine. The 6.8 children won't like it.
A Remington Rep was in my local gunshop two weeks ago and he said that the UMC 6.8 will be released around the same time as the .300 Blackout, and he was taking orders. The owner of the shop ordered a case of the 6.8.
I recently sold my 6.8 build.:angry:
6.8 UMC has been out for a long time. At least a year.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/519148/remington-umc-ammunition-68mm-remington-spc-115-grain-full-metal-jacket-box-of-20
Kickin-Ewoks
02-27-12, 14:02
I did not know that, pardon my ignorance. I guess it was almost a year ago that I sold my 6.8, time flies.
The rep made it sound like this was a new product.
kingfisher2
03-22-12, 22:47
Like the page on Facebook. 300 aacblackout. They have deals every day on ammo. Last time I bought UMC, it was $10.78 per 20.
Remington is making it every month, and it is in constant production trying to keep up with demand.
This place had 100,000 rounds earlier this week, but it is sold out already:
http://www.richiespng.com/product.php?item=136515
They are selling it for $10.80 a box - which on November 29th last year I predicted:
http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=128&t=78277
"Next year: UMC ammo street price $10.80?"
Remington is making rounds every month? Where is it all going? No one ever had ammo in stock for more then a few days. Is the Military eating it all up? Or is it just that popular?
Bill Alexander
03-24-12, 09:06
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kfgk14
Also, any word on whether someone will come out with a plinker steel-case option for .300 AAC?
Bill Alexander posted he wanted to work on that.
Spent a little time talking to the factories at IWA this month. The 300 AAC is on the project bench and they are moving. As usual work is not going to be an overnight job. I suspect that supersonic is the first they will get to. They will need weapons to make sure everything is in order. I am not sure about how/who they will use for sign off of the caliber.
I now have my own line of weapons up for this caliber and am extremely pleased that we decided to make this rifle. While my interest lies with a hunting application, and we only look to the 16" barrel, the gun is light and handy with minimal recoil. It strikes gongs with authority out to 200 yards with minimal sight correction. I foresee this as a truly useful caliber for many hunters, very capable of taking deer sized game although I would hesitate on bear with some loads.
Bill Alexander
03-24-12, 09:13
Remington is making rounds every month? Where is it all going? No one ever had ammo in stock for more then a few days. Is the Military eating it all up? Or is it just that popular?
This is America and it is a pretty big place. Everyone thinks that 300,000 rounds is a lot but we make 200,000 Beowulf each month and all the internet does is complain that we are strangling the supplies. The AAC is not even in its stride yet. The demand will help the caliber get a bigger allowance in the production roster.
Think about 1.3 million rounds a month and those numbers will about support a semi popular boutique caliber.
One of the groups we work with goes through 90,000 rounds of 338 Lapua in a training rotation!
damongernentz
03-24-12, 14:57
rsilvers, Does AAC offer a veteran's discount. I have been reading all the posts on M4C about this and am loving this round more and more everyday, and will eventually purchase an upper to put on a stripped lower that I already own. Just curious about the discount....you know us cheap a** vets.. always looking for a discount.
AAC does not discount the ammo at all as far as I know, because we does not want to undercut dealers - who we recognize as being very important.
Cheap ammo:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/2AACO102860-1.html
Quote:Spent a little time talking to the factories at IWA this month. The 300 AAC is on the project bench and they are moving. As usual work is not going to be an overnight job. I suspect that supersonic is the first they will get to. They will need weapons to make sure everything is in order. I am not sure about how/who they will use for sign off of the caliber.
So release inside the next year or two wouldn't be unreasonable and prices could be under $.50/round?
Hmmm...all of a sudden I may need another new upper and a suppressor.
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