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montanadave
11-12-11, 12:16
The Military Channel is launching a new six-part series on "the evolution of firearms and how the development of each one changed the face of combat forever." The series is entitled Triggers: Weapons That Changed the World and it premiers Wednesday, November 30, 2011. Here's the link to the network programming blurb: http://press.discovery.com/us/mil/programs/triggers/
The first episode is, quite appropriately, going to feature the Colt M1911 pistol.
Looks interesting. Looks like Wil Willis is back. I really enjoyed his other show, Special Ops Mission. It's actually the only show I've ever really wanted to watch on the Military Channel.
Looks interesting. Looks like Wil Willis is back. I really enjoyed his other show, Special Ops Mission. It's actually the only show I've ever really wanted to watch on the Military Channel.
That really was an interesting show. Gun Stories on Outdoor channel is another good one.
Moose-Knuckle
11-13-11, 03:32
Finally, something NEW on that channel!
Thanks for the heads up.
Mr. Goodtimes
11-13-11, 23:23
I'll have to check it out. Right now what I'm imagining, though, is another "the AK-47 is the most reliable weapon in the world, able to shoot full of mud and water; the M-16 is less reliable requiring much upkeep and jammed a lot 50 years ago in vietnan" type of show, full of misinformation spouted by "experts" who's "expertise" comes from playing copious amounts Modern Warfare 3.
I'll have to check it out. Right now what I'm imagining, though, is another "the AK-47 is the most reliable weapon in the world, able to shoot full of mud and water; the M-16 is less reliable requiring much upkeep and jammed a lot 50 years ago in vietnan" type of show, full of misinformation spouted by "experts" who's "expertise" comes from playing copious amounts Modern Warfare 3.
I don't think you have to worry about that. Wil Willis was an Army Ranger and Air Force Pararescueman.
Looks interesting. Looks like Wil Willis is back. I really enjoyed his other show, Special Ops Mission. It's actually the only show I've ever really wanted to watch on the Military Channel.
I liked the Special Ops Mission show. But it was ****ing faked. I can remember seeing his gun cam vs. the fixed cameras on the same movement. And the guns were different... different carry handles and muzzle devices on the same shot.
In other words the scenes were shot more than once.
I liked the Special Ops Mission show. But it was ****ing faked. I can remember seeing his gun cam vs. the fixed cameras on the same movement. And the guns were different... different carry handles and muzzle devices on the same shot.
In other words the scenes were shot more than once.
It's possible that was just an editing error. I'm sure he made the rounds on the pirate boat several dozen times.They pick shots that look best even if the continuity isn't right.
That said, it was "reality TV" so it could be fake.
Yeah... not that the whole thing was fake. But within the SAME engagements you had two different guns.
montanadave
11-29-11, 09:16
Just wanted to give this thread a bump to remind folks who may be interested that this show premieres tomorrow night (Wednesday, Nov. 30) on The Military Channel.
Yeah... not that the whole thing was fake. But within the SAME engagements you had two different guns.
Could be that during the actual engagements the view from the gun cams got real wobbly and crappy looking so they reinserted smoother footage reshot later to try to reconstruct what actually happened in a more pleasing form for TV.
Anyways, I thought that show was an interesting idea, and I liked the fact that he lost sometimes. Also, unlike the ex SEAL guy that does Future Weapons he doesn't come off as a giant goof on camera, so a better host for a show about historical weapons.
Moose-Knuckle
11-29-11, 15:59
Just wanted to give this thread a bump to remind folks who may be interested that this show premieres tomorrow night (Wednesday, Nov. 30) on The Military Channel.
Thanks, setting up my DVR.
Could be that during the actual engagements the view from the gun cams got real wobbly and crappy looking so they reinserted smoother footage reshot later to try to reconstruct what actually happened in a more pleasing form for TV.
Anyways, I thought that show was an interesting idea, and I liked the fact that he lost sometimes. Also, unlike the ex SEAL guy that does Future Weapons he doesn't come off as a giant goof on camera, so a better host for a show about historical weapons.
Yep, that is kinda where I was going.
Now don't get me wrong, it IS reality TV so I'm sure there are things that are somewhat staged and set up. They kinda know what they want and expect to get in advance.
And WW generally worked near the cameras so the audience would have something interesting to see. But all in all it was more "reality" than most and I enjoyed it quite a bit.
Alright, watching it now. Ugh. Plenty of blatantly incorrect information, silly stunt demonstrations.
Still, it's nice to have gun porn since the the Gunny's show(s) basically petered out and over a decade since History of the Gun and it's a huge improvement over those hillbilly soap operas with guns on the Discovery Channel. I suppose I'll keep watching it.
This show is definitely NOT in the same league as any of Larry Vickers shows. Not even in the same universe.
The show seems to be a blend of various reality TV gun shows shooting competition ala the show "Top Shot" combined with some History Channel style re-enactments in uniforms.
The show featured former Marine Sniper and Marine Firearms Instructor Grant Reynolds who stated on the .45: "I know that when I pull this trigger, no matter where it is pointing, it's going to stop.
There were other things, but I'll leave it at that.
On a positive aspect shows like this portray firearms in a positive light and stimulate interest among private citizens--hopefully increasing the number of pro-gun voters.
Moose-Knuckle
12-01-11, 15:21
Alright, watching it now. Ugh. Plenty of blatantly incorrect information, silly stunt demonstrations.
Still, it's nice to have gun porn since the the Gunny's show(s) basically petered out and over a decade since History of the Gun and it's a huge improvement over those hillbilly soap operas with guns on the Discovery Channel. I suppose I'll keep watching it.
Pretty much sums up my thoughts on the matter.
Typical touting of the be all stop everything .45ACP. I bet the good Doc would have something else to say on the matter. . .
I liked the Special Ops Mission show. But it was ****ing faked. I can remember seeing his gun cam vs. the fixed cameras on the same movement. And the guns were different... different carry handles and muzzle devices on the same shot.
In other words the scenes were shot more than once.
Now that you mention it, I do remember noticing that on one of the indoor missions. I forget which one though. Definately WTF worthy. I guess I just shrugged it off as a reality TV moment. All the footage from the "Command Center" was cheasy as **** too. In-mission Footage of WW superimposed on the computer screens. That Marine MSGT needs to retake his Acting MCI too. In the end though, I did enjoy the show. If they came out with another season, I would watch it.
Wil Willis is very well spoken, but he needs a better producer, better technical consultants, and better writers. Clearly, this is a program for the masses who cannot abide TV programming that is not neatly packaged with a simple conclusion.
Could be that during the actual engagements the view from the gun cams got real wobbly and crappy looking so they reinserted smoother footage reshot later to try to reconstruct what actually happened in a more pleasing form for TV.
Anyways, I thought that show was an interesting idea, and I liked the fact that he lost sometimes. Also, unlike the ex SEAL guy that does Future Weapons he doesn't come off as a giant goof on camera, so a better host for a show about historical weapons.
Yep, that is kinda where I was going.
Now don't get me wrong, it IS reality TV so I'm sure there are things that are somewhat staged and set up. They kinda know what they want and expect to get in advance.
And WW generally worked near the cameras so the audience would have something interesting to see. But all in all it was more "reality" than most and I enjoyed it quite a bit.
Agreed. I'm not really a fan of Future Weapons. The guy comes off as tool bag alot of the time.
This show is definitely NOT in the same league as any of Larry Vickers shows. Not even in the same universe.
The show seems to be a blend of various reality TV gun shows shooting competition ala the show "Top Shot" combined with some History Channel style re-enactments in uniforms.
The show featured former Marine Sniper and Marine Firearms Instructor Grant Reynolds who stated on the .45: "I know that when I pull this trigger, no matter where it is pointing, it's going to stop.
There were other things, but I'll leave it at that.
On a positive aspect shows like this portray firearms in a positive light and stimulate interest among private citizens--hopefully increasing the number of pro-gun voters.
Completely agree, I was expecting much more and was very disappointed. Tactical Impact did it much better.
Not only was it subpar they did many dangerous things. Juggling guns with live rounds in them and don't even get me started on the gun race where a winner would end up downrage of another shooter.
And they seemed to jump on the same "issues" from 1981 gun magazines. They really did do .45 vs. 9mm complete with buffoonery like expert "reinactors." The contention that a horde of charging Germans were more dangerous if armed with Lugers than with Gewehr 98s made my head hurt.
I like the idea of more gun shows but if he said "stopping power" one more time I was going to puke! "Stopping power" with a howitzer, yes. "Stopping Power" with 9MM or 45 ball.....NO! :suicide2:
I was not impressed.
How about knock down power??? :cool:
Weaponology was on yesterday too. They had the 1911 and the HK16 whatever thingy.
I like LAV but when he claimed that the BCG in an AR would be too hot to hold in your hand unlike the wonderful HKthing, I almost had to draw down on my TV. :rolleyes:
I'd expect the Pistards to perpetuate that BS... but LAV knows better.
All these gun shows are tough.... you have to balance presenting info to people who don't know shit, with not insulting the intellegence of knowledgeable gun nuts like us.
You can't speak on a high level that would please us, and present a show that appeals to a broader base.
montanadave
12-02-11, 09:15
Well, I recorded the show the other night and, after reading some of these reviews, I'm not sure I'll even watch it.
Obviously, I had hoped the show would be better than it apparently was. To anyone cursing me for plugging a shit show, mea culpa.
To anyone cursing me for plugging a shit show, mea culpa.
You have to make reparations!
How about knock down power??? :cool:
Weaponology was on yesterday too. They had the 1911 and the HK16 whatever thingy.
I like LAV but when he claimed that the BCG in an AR would be too hot to hold in your hand unlike the wonderful HKthing, I almost had to draw down on my TV. :rolleyes:
I'd expect the Pistards to perpetuate that BS... but LAV knows better.
LAV is sorta correct.
A DI bolt will get hotter faster than a piston upper bolt. One comes into contact with more hot propellant gases than the other. On the HK rifle it is the piston that get's toasty.
Yeah... but his demo of one mag... and saying the BCG would be too hot to hold is completely wrong... that's an old episode anyway... not a big deal.
montanadave
12-02-11, 13:17
You have to make reparations!
A donation to the Human Fund has been made in your name. :meeting:
LowSpeed_HighDrag
12-02-11, 16:51
I like LAV but when he claimed that the BCG in an AR would be too hot to hold in your hand unlike the wonderful HKthing, I almost had to draw down on my TV. :rolleyes:
I'd expect the Pistards to perpetuate that BS... but LAV knows better.
So, my DI guns must be broken, because after shooting, the BCG's are hot as shit.
Well, I recorded the show the other night and, after reading some of these reviews, I'm not sure I'll even watch it.
Obviously, I had hoped the show would be better than it apparently was. To anyone cursing me for plugging a shit show, mea culpa.
You should watch it and take what you can from it. Like Markm said, we are the elite and technical crap would bore the hell out of most.
So, my DI guns must be broken, because after shooting, the BCG's are hot as shit.
I am sure LAV had to spice it up to make the producers happy. Heat really is a non issue. Machine guns get hot and they work too. IMO the cooler running 416 is a good thing but it isn't a game changer.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
12-02-11, 19:14
I am sure LAV had to spice it up to make the producers happy. Heat really is a non issue. Machine guns get hot and they work too. IMO the cooler running 416 is a good thing but it isn't a game changer.
I realize that, ahving spent many moons behind a couple of fire belching beasts. But, Im just trying to understand why markm says that DI bcg's dont get hot, while HK 416's do? LAV said the opposite, and markm said it was bullshit, soI just cant understand where his experience is coming from. In my realm, a Table 3-4 shoot, a carbine class, ora good range day will present you with a bcg hot enough to melt flesh. Im not saying it hampers performance or that pistons being cooler is better, I just want to know what DI gun he has that doesnt get hot, or if he has ever fired more than 30 rds a day?
I realize that, ahving spent many moons behind a couple of fire belching beasts. But, Im just trying to understand why markm says that DI bcg's dont get hot, while HK 416's do? LAV said the opposite, and markm said it was bullshit, soI just cant understand where his experience is coming from. In my realm, a Table 3-4 shoot, a carbine class, ora good range day will present you with a bcg hot enough to melt flesh. Im not saying it hampers performance or that pistons being cooler is better, I just want to know what DI gun he has that doesnt get hot, or if he has ever fired more than 30 rds a day?
I can't speak for Markm but what I gathered from his comment was not that the DI gun didn't get hot. I took it as a DI gets hot and a 416 doesn't, who gives a flying taco?!
Honestly, that the "bolt carrier gets hot" comment is the most damning criticism we can come up with demonstrates how on the mark LAV really is. Even with mostly decent shows like Tales of the Gun I can come up with dozens of examples of misconceptions, opinions presented as facts and even a few outright errors. With certain other shows I could write books as they present more misconceptions than anything else.
I'm not sure I've seen anything better than Tactical Impact. Story of the Gun (A&E) was also pretty good. Tales of the Gun (History) was also mostly good, even though there were a few "groans."
I got a crack out of the USMC Firearms Instructor and his grip with the support hand index finger around the trigger guard. I won't even go into the other wrong manipulations I saw.
Yet another show that some new shooter will take to heart and replicate because a firearms instructor on Tv did it that way.
As far for the rest of the show, it seemed to get lost on the firearm history as opposed to just the 1911.
At the end of the day, nothing special I guess.
R.
Moose-Knuckle
12-08-11, 16:46
I fell a sleep during the second episode on the Garand. :eek:
I fell a sleep during the second episode on the Garand. :eek:
At least it was better than the first.
Thankfully they switched to dramatic reenactments of historical events rather than having some reenactors simply running around trying to prove the validity of random concepts.
Moose-Knuckle
12-08-11, 18:27
when is this show on?
It airs on Wednesdays 10/9c.
Moose-Knuckle
12-08-11, 18:29
Thankfully they switched to dramatic reenactments of historical events rather than having some reenactors simply running around trying to prove the validity of random concepts.
LOL, nice. :D
Well I DVR'ed it so no loss, I will simply watch it at a later time.
I thought the second episode was much better than the first.
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