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I received my two virgin Noveske lowers today from Ident Marking Services. The process took just under 3 weeks door to door which is not bad at all. I wasn't in a huge rush to get them back since I won't be seeing my stamps until May 2012. :sarcastic:
They did a good job. The engraving is nice and even.
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/021411/SBR%20Build/IMG_0372.jpg
http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc421/021411/SBR%20Build/IMG_0369.jpg
Ident does great work and have been very pleasant to deal with in my experiences.
Last engraving
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/Tx1021/P1010206.jpg
I did my F1 procedure ass backwards. I sent off my paperwork work before I got the lowers back which was a dumb idea but everything turned out well. Glad they didn't misspell anything or a lower went AWOL.
What kind of price are we talking for that trigger guard engraving? You can PM me if you don't want it public for whatever reason...
Paladin_139
11-30-11, 18:44
I've also used Ident and would definently recommend them. Super easy and quick to work with.
SeriousStudent
12-01-11, 00:37
What kind of price are we talking for that trigger guard engraving? You can PM me if you don't want it public for whatever reason...
I'm not the OP, but the last time I talked with Gordon at Ident, he wanted $45 plus $12 for shipping. You may want to call/email and confirm that with them.
I've got a Noveske lower in the safe that I need to take over there, time for a Form 1.
I'm confident that Orion Arms is excellent too. I've used Ident Marking for any engraving I've needed primarily because it was cheaper.
I was quoted $45 for one lower, $40 each if I sent in two.
CarlosDJackal
12-01-11, 14:31
I did my F1 procedure ass backwards. I sent off my paperwork work before I got the lowers back which was a dumb idea but everything turned out well. Glad they didn't misspell anything or a lower went AWOL.
I don't understand what you mean. I always send my paperwork out first. It's not like I can change the name on my trust based on any misspellings by the engraver since I have almost a half dozen NFA items already registered to my trust.
Or are you only talking about the very first one you tried this with?
Cincinnatus
12-01-11, 14:40
I have had very good experiences with Ident. Doubly so since they are located within driving distance of me.
I don't understand what you mean. I always send my paperwork out first. It's not like I can change the name on my trust based on any misspellings by the engraver since I have almost a half dozen NFA items already registered to my trust.
Or are you only talking about the very first one you tried this with?
Just didn't want to go through the hassle of getting things fixed on the paperwork or report a "registered" lower missing. Not like they can't just pull your paperwork out of the pile. You know what I mean, I hope.
Iraq Ninja
12-01-11, 18:29
I noticed you are in Houston. We recently had someone here in Houston do our engraving on 6 lowers and a can. Took three days to do including drop off and pick up. I don't have his name handy, but I think he is a SOT here. Excellent work and even filled it with dark paint to contrast against the coyote painted lowers.
Was this guy up in Conroe/Montgomery County? If so, I thought about using him but he could only engrave the side.
I don't understand what you mean. I always send my paperwork out first. It's not like I can change the name on my trust based on any misspellings by the engraver since I have almost a half dozen NFA items already registered to my trust.
Or are you only talking about the very first one you tried this with?
I believe he is referring to the how to SBR your lower. It is a sticky by scottyryan. The suggestion is to test the lower with 1,000 rounds and different mags then send it out for engraving prior to applying for your stamp so you dont loose an NFA weapon in the shipping process! It is good advice.
justlikeanyoneelse
01-12-12, 23:57
Indent is top notch, highly recommend them.
Do I need to send a stripped lower?
Do I send the lower thru one of the mail carriers?
For some things they need a stripped lower, for other areas it doesn't matter. Best to ask them.
You have to send it as a firearm, so those rules apply. You can send it via UPS from a shipping hub (not a UPS store or contract shipper and you have to tell them it's a firearm) since Ident is a 07/02 FFL/SOT so they can receive firearms, including Title II. It can go USPS, but I think that has to be done through an FFL.
For some things they need a stripped lower, for other areas it doesn't matter. Best to ask them.
You have to send it as a firearm, so those rules apply. You can send it via UPS from a shipping hub (not a UPS store or contract shipper and you have to tell them it's a firearm) since Ident is a 07/02 FFL/SOT so they can receive firearms, including Title II. It can go USPS, but I think that has to be done through an FFL.
You can ship a non pistol USPS without going through an FFL. Pistols require a FFL to ship.
Do I need to send a stripped lower?
Do I send the lower thru one of the mail carriers?
Orion and Identified were excellent when I emailed them with tins of questions. It also matters how much you need to have engraved. It it is a trust you will need more room in most cases than a name.. I used the front of the magwell for 4 lines! It also allowed me to send my lowers in with the buffer tube still attached. Which was great because although I can stake I like the factory LMT & BCM staking much better!
You can ship a non pistol USPS without going through an FFL. Pistols require a FFL to ship.
Yes, I'm aware. Perhaps I'm wrong, but since an AR15 lower receiver can be made into a pistol or rifle, it qualifies as a pistol. In this state anyway, one needs a handgun permit to purchase an AR15 or similar.
Yes, I'm aware. Perhaps I'm wrong, but since an AR15 lower receiver can be made into a pistol or rifle, it qualifies as a pistol. In this state anyway, one needs a handgun permit to purchase an AR15 or similar.
The way I understand it, if a firearm is being shipped out for repair or customization (engraving), and no transfer of ownership is taking place, you do not need to go through an FFL as long as the firearm is being returned to the owner.
I am doing a SBR now and have found out two important things in talking with ATF. Read....the resident "expert" in Martinsburg who now supervises all the examiners.
He says that the receiver or the barrel must be engraved. I know there are some people that have gotten away without having it done at all. It will not happen on this "experts" watch.
He also stated that names may not be abbreviated even though it states in the NFA Title 26, Chapter 53, Section 479.102,a,(2),(iii) that a "recognized abbreviation" would be acceptable. It is not acceptable to him.
My bud just got his form 1 returned to him for this very reason. And, IMO, and in the opinion of this "expert", is the reason you should wait until you have a approved form 1 prior to engraving.
I've come to the conclusion that these folks will do as they damn well please when it comes to the fine print/gray area issues.
will_dearborn919
03-13-12, 20:35
Well back to Ident, those guys are awesome! I live. Lose to their shop and scheduled a time to drop off my lower, I had an engraving and an etching done. In and out inside of a week. The guys are super cool, know what they are doing and will do everything they can to make sure you get what you want. Those guys were pulling some crazy OT too, they really bust their asses up there to get stuff done.
The way I understand it, if a firearm is being shipped out for repair or customization (engraving), and no transfer of ownership is taking place, you do not need to go through an FFL as long as the firearm is being returned to the owner.
I assume that's true since in all of the cases I've sent receivers off to be engraved (3 times), Ident or Orion have returned the receivers to me directly via UPS. However, to get them there, I had to have my FFL send them via USPS as there is no UPS shipping hub near me.
Well that might explain my increased charge from UPS! I opened an account to send two lowers out. I was charged another $20. I dropped my lowers in a drop box on the way out of town with the wife and kids.
Well that might explain my increased charge from UPS! I opened an account to send two lowers out. I was charged another $20. I dropped my lowers in a drop box on the way out of town with the wife and kids.
I sent a Sig 228 to US Anodizing a month ago via UPS and it cost me nearly $75. Im contemplating getting a FFL to do out-of-state transfers just so I can ship my own stuff via USPS.
I sent a Sig 228 to US Anodizing a month ago via UPS and it cost me nearly $75. Im contemplating getting a FFL to do out-of-state transfers just so I can ship my own stuff via USPS.
Yeah I insured the lowers to $500 but did not describe the contents. A few days after delivery I had a new charge on my account! I've always wanted an FFL too. Might be a decent side business.
UPS policy is that firearms have to go by 2nd Day Air, and must specify "Adult Signature Required", and it can't go through UPS Store or drop-box. UPSP is cheaper, but I still suspect that shipping an AR receiver (pistol) has to go from FFL to FFL.
Additionally, Federal Law requires that a non-FFL shipping by contract carrier (like UPS or FedEx) must notify the carrier that the package contains a firearm (27 CFR 478.31). According to UPS, they are X-raying packages more and more frequently. Sounds like a potential trouble spot, if true, and if they happen to X-ray your package.
Yeah I insured the lowers to $500 but did not describe the contents. A few days after delivery I had a new charge on my account! I've always wanted an FFL too. Might be a decent side business.
I suppose one could hypothesize that they X-rayed the package, decided it was a firearm and upcharged you because it then had to go 2nd Day Air, ASR. Maybe you were lucky they didn't notify the Feds. Or maybe it doesn't matter. I didn't dig into the stuff far enough to get an idea of what the consequences might be of not notifying them.
I note that the same Federal law that requires that you notify the shipper that its a firearm also requires that the shipper can't label the package as containing a firearm.
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Hmac
Thank you. I will not make the same mistake again.
I have seen certain stripped lowers for sale and seen 21 or older as a requirement. It may be because the maker did not specify the frame was a long gun. Not sure. I know I have seen S&W lowers sold with that restriction before. I also know their lowers have no cal markings. Anyone know for sure?
I have seen certain stripped lowers for sale and seen 21 or older as a requirement. It may be because the maker did not specify the frame was a long gun. Not sure. I know I have seen S&W lowers sold with that restriction before. I also know their lowers have no cal markings. Anyone know for sure?
It's an excellent question. I've seen it posed before relative to Ruger 10-22 receivers. Those same receivers can be found in 10-22 rifles or in Ruger Charger pistols. I recently bought a couple of old stripped 10-22 receivers from my LGS. I didn't dig into the details, but he did tell me I had to show him my state handgun permit for the NICS check. I'll have to ask him about that.
If it is a stripped receiver, rifle or shotgun, by the letter of the law it is supposed to be considered a handgun because it is capable of having a pistol grip installed.
These "tactical" shotguns that you see, with only a pistol grip and no stock, can only be sold as handguns.
CarlosDJackal
03-15-12, 16:54
You can ship a non pistol USPS without going through an FFL. Pistols require a FFL to ship.
Depends on your state and to whom it is getting shipped to. I have shipped pistols back to the manufacturer for repairs without issues. They just had to be sent overnight.
Rifles do not have to be shipped overnight.
CarlosDJackal
03-15-12, 17:01
If it is a stripped receiver, rifle or shotgun, by the letter of the law it is supposed to be considered a handgun because it is capable of having a pistol grip installed.
These "tactical" shotguns that you see, with only a pistol grip and no stock, can only be sold as handguns.
This doesn't sound right.
Stripped receivers are identified as pistols in the 4473 and any applicable State form when you first purchase them from a dealer. Pistol grip shotguns are identified as long guns (bbls 18" or longer) as long as they meet or exceed the minimum OAL of 26".
Once a receiver is built into a rifle, it is supposed to be treated as such. Which means an AR-15 receiver that was originally purchased as a pistol but built into a rifle is now legally a rifle and cannot be treated as or converted into a pistol.
In other words, you cannot take that receiver and remove its stock and marry it up with an upper that has a barrel that is less than 16" unless it is registered as an SBR.
Of course, I haven't fully recovered from my Annual Training experience so I may very well be mistaken about this whole thing. Can anyone verify that I do not have my facts backwards?
This doesn't sound right.
Stripped receivers are identified as pistols in the 4473 and any applicable State form when you first purchase them from a dealer. Pistol grip shotguns are identified as long guns (bbls 18" or longer) as long as they meet or exceed the minimum OAL of 26".
According to the ATF Compliance Officer that conducted my FFL interview a couple of weeks ago, shotguns with a pistol grip only, not shotguns with a normal long stock and a pistol grip, are to be treated as handguns. No matter the barrel length. When you start talking barrel length and overall length you are now in the realm of the NFA.
He asked this as a trick question during the interview.
According to the ATF Compliance Officer that conducted my FFL interview a couple of weeks ago, shotguns with a pistol grip only, not shotguns with a normal long stock and a pistol grip, are to be treated as handguns. No matter the barrel length. When you start talking barrel length and overall length you are now in the realm of the NFA.
He asked this as a trick question during the interview.
These guys have a differing opinion.
http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88
Slightly off topic, but is there any refinishing necessary after engraving the lower?
Slightly off topic, but is there any refinishing necessary after engraving the lower?
Ident and Orion both blacken the engraved lettering. I haven't seen Orion's work, but on everything Ident has engraved for me, it comes back perfect just as in the photos above.
These guys have a differing opinion.
http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/?page_id=88
That does make sense. You can do the same with a short barrel AR with a pistol receiver extension.
Still has to be sold as a handgun.
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