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I am replacing my CQC holster with the ALS 6378 holster from Safariland. (due to the CQC thread here) The primary use will be for club and 3 gun competition. For 3 gun the holster will be on my ATS mole belt. For club shoots I prefer to run a regular belt so I don't get wierd questions and funny looks. I want to use the MLS15 attachment to hook up to the molle with a QLS in between the holster and the MLS15. Then for use a QLS and either a belt attach or the paddle (tbd) for the club matches.
Any of you have experiance with this setup? How well does it work?
(I searched for an answer but either found only MLS or only QLS based solutions.)
Thanks.
Off the top of my head, you need the MLS 17 or MLS 18 receiver plate to use with your MLS15. The MLS and QLS are not interchangeable IIRC. Either MLS17/18 will attach to a 3 hole pattern Safariland paddle or UBL. I have QLS's attached to both and it works fine.
ETA: The difference between the MLS and QLS is breaking strength. MLS breaks away at about 100 lbs. QLS at about 400 lbs.
Shane's right, the QLS is build around duty retention, the MLS has a breakaway feature. The mounting is exclusive, and the ride heights differ a tiny bit (PM JSantoro to find out directly from him).
My recommendation with your setup would be to shell out the bit extra for the UBL loop and run that out the bottom of you war belt - from there I don't see how MLS hardware wouldn't be the preferred option if you're looking to mount if off other MOLLE platforms, but the UBL would allow you to run all QLS (either way you'd have a warbelt adapter setup and a paddle adapter, plus the holster fork for each holster needed). Not sure how portable the UBL would be on your various belts, or how difficult it would be to just relocate the inner belt off the ATS for club shoot use.
Other note is that especially if you're running the UBL (or something that hangs down) the MLS18 with the guard is the preferred plate - cost difference is negligible, but go with that one if you choose the MLS route - QLS you'll want the 22 iirc.
Height difference is like .5" for the QLS I believe.
Thanks for all Tue replies so far. I am not set on the MLSjust thought it might be a good way to mount on molle. The ulb sounds like a good way to go. Is there a better way to mount safariland to molle?
Sorry double post, phone bugged up
I've tried various other MOLLE mounting solutions - the DBT direct adapter is okay for what it is, but not very flexible. Biggest problem with the two-piece MOLLE belts is that the sleeve the webbing is attached to is going to have just enough wiggle room to move up and inward with the holster, so if I have an imperfect draw stroke I'm going to screw it all up. The UBL still has some flex to it, but it's much less noticeable.
The direct attachment forks look pretty good straight out of the safariland catalog, but the inward/outward cant angle is going to depend on the belt and the contour of your hips (wow... that sounded ghey) about how well that is going to work for you. In most of their PR imagery, they're showing that as a means of mounting it crossdraw or to the cummerbund of a plate carrier so that the holster is still usable over body armor - yet another case where I feel that the UBL is better suited, but from a pure hip belt or paddle holster being able to use it with body armor at all is pretty decent.
Something similar to the MOLLE top attachment of the downrangegear thigh holster attachment system (reinforced plate with two long MALICE clips, maybe with an MLS18 installed) might be a pretty decent option, but that would be a pricy one-off to do an existing safariland capability only a little bit better, mostly you'd just gain some offset space from the mounting surface that would buy you a tiny bit of thumb room to operate the ALS.
I'll start poking around again on the MOLLE mounting - where exactly were you looking to attach it?
monkeywrencher
11-25-11, 21:57
I run the QLS on my duty belt. I have a spare plate on my tactical vest and the molle fork/plate combo on a war belt set up. I like the modularity very much. It has been very stable thus far. I run a Safariland 6280 holster, which with a G22 and the QLS doesn't work too well on the Tac vest, as it's pretty big and heavy, consequently it flops around. This set up is definitely not set up for concealed carry, but for duty use it works well for me.
I use the QLS system. I have a QLS 22 plate on my UBL, 6004 platform, and hooked to my Tactical 2 Piece MAV via the MOLLE adapter. I also have one hooked to a paddle attachment for exposed carry (when on duty, but out of uniform.) It is very versatile. I also have my Taser holster set up this way, so I can move it based on my load out.
I would not recommend the QLS for CCW.
I measured the belt and from the top of the inner belt to the bottom of the mollebelt is 3 inches. I need to figure out which ubl can do that. The good thing is this would drop the gun and allow for a more natural draw. The bad thing with the gun lower is that it will dig into my big but and may be hard to draw grow when sitting. :D Here is some pics of my current setup. You can see how high up the gun rides.
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j438/686plus/utf-8BSU1BRzAyNjQuanBn.jpg
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j438/686plus/utf-8BSU1BRzAyNjIuanBn.jpg
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j438/686plus/utf-8BSU1BRzAyNjMuanBn.jpg
This setup allows a good draw even while sitting.
What's the retention like for the MLS/QLS. The reason I'm asking is because is I'm trying to use one holster for different jobs. I'll be wearing my drop leg set up with my heavy armor when we do raids and have barricades I'd like to use the same holster and attach it to my plate carrier when I'm driving our jump out van for jump outs/rips/ and vehicle escorts. If I were to ever fight someone while wearing the system will I have to worry about the bad guy ripping off my holster from the platform. Is the retention level better/same/ or worse then it being directly bolted on the platform itself. Thanks in advance guys.
What's the retention like for the MLS/QLS. The reason I'm asking is because is I'm trying to use one holster for different jobs. I'll be wearing my drop leg set up with my heavy armor when we do raids and have barricades I'd like to use the same holster and attach it to my plate carrier when I'm driving our jump out van for jump outs/rips/ and vehicle escorts. If I were to ever fight someone while wearing the system will I have to worry about the bad guy ripping off my holster from the platform. Is the retention level better/same/ or worse then it being directly bolted on the platform itself. Thanks in advance guys.
There is a QLS mounting plate that is designed with retention in mind. I use it on a UBL and a 6004 drop platform. I am comfortable using it on duty.
Second to what Josh said. I use the QLS on duty and have been for a long time. Your belt would probably tear before the QLS did. Just make sure your getting the QLS, not MLS.
Is the QLS22 with the locking feature better or is the standard non locking feature good enough?
I going to proceed with the 6378 with a QLS 19/22 combo, and the UBL with the 1.5" drop. No MLS based on all the feedback recieved here.
Thanks!
I say get the locking version..can't hurt for sure. Good choices!
I say get the locking version..can't hurt for sure. Good choices!
+1 if duty retention is even a slight consideration...what does it hurt?
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