View Full Version : Anybody tried the reclassified FBI 5.56 load?
DiscipulusArmorum
12-22-11, 20:48
According to DocGKR, the Federal XM556FBIT3 load, which is a 62 grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw load at 5.56 velocity is at or near the top of the list for best terminal performer. Unfortunately for non-Feds, this load seems to be practically unobtainable.
I've noticed recently, though, that quite a few places have the "reclassified" version of this round. Here (http://newfrontierarmory.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=274&products_id=34157), for example (no affiliation or experience with this site, but there are plenty of other places selling it too). I haven't heard any first hand reports about it.
I'm planning on buying a couple boxes next week from some online vendor. I won't be able to chronograph it, but I will post pics and observations.
Anyone had any experience with this round? Anyone planning to pick up some to chrono?
Evil1969SS>LS6
12-23-11, 13:56
Dunno but, I was wondering how long it was gonna take before someone realized it's available. SGammo has had for over a week now.
I bought 200 rds last week, gonna shoot a few this weekend. Let ya' know how it shoots.
30 cal slut
12-29-11, 16:14
Isn't Midway USA selling this stuff?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/941486/winchester-ammunition-556x45mm-nato-62-grain-zq3314-open-tip-match-box-of-20
DiscipulusArmorum
12-29-11, 21:52
Isn't Midway USA selling this stuff?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/941486/winchester-ammunition-556x45mm-nato-62-grain-zq3314-open-tip-match-box-of-20
Interesting. From a quick Google search, there's lots of speculation about what this stuff is. This doesn't appear to be the FBI round that uses the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet.
Evil1969SS>LS6
12-29-11, 21:55
Isn't Midway USA selling this stuff?
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/941486/winchester-ammunition-556x45mm-nato-62-grain-zq3314-open-tip-match-box-of-20
That is a totally different round, it's the ZQ3314 FBI OTM.
The one in reference is the FBI Federal 5.56 TBBC 62 grain bonded round, (XM556FBIT3). Which is basically the best barrier performing round produced to date for the 5.56/223, according to Doc Roberts.
There's no bullet that comes out of a 5.56 barrel that's worth 1.50 per round.
Microalign
12-30-11, 09:18
There's no bullet that comes out of a 5.56 barrel that's worth 1.50 per round.
That's signature material right there. :p
There's no bullet that comes out of a 5.56 barrel that's worth 1.50 per round.
Got that right!
I'd love to get some of that ammo to play with....
But I'd feel wrong paying that much.:mad:
Well if this isn't it then I wonder WHEN it will actually hit the market?
Evil1969SS>LS6
01-04-12, 23:39
Well if this isn't it then I wonder WHEN it will actually hit the market?
It is on the market, SG ammo has XM556FBIT3 for sale....as does many others. Google "reclassified XM556FBIT3".
Evil1969SS>LS6
01-04-12, 23:51
I'd love to get some of that ammo to play with....
But I'd feel wrong paying that much.:mad:
Just buy a box or two, there's nothing to feel wrong about...everything well be ok.
Just buy a box or two, there's nothing to feel wrong about...everything well be ok.
The shipping on a box or two will crank the cost of each round to even higher levels of absurdity. :cray:
Evil1969SS>LS6
01-05-12, 20:23
The shipping on a box or two will crank the cost of each round to even higher levels of absurdity. :cray:
I figured you would say that but, it's sad but true. If my ammo obsession didn't override my rationale, I wouldn't pay over a $1 a round either but....you understand right? ;)
Generalpie
01-06-12, 04:00
Are there any decent barrier loads that aren't a buck a round or more? Heck are there any decent loads, barrier or not that are less than 75 cents a round by the case?
Ammo prices are sickening.
Are there any decent barrier loads that aren't a buck a round or more?
Not really. I use the Gold Dots at just under a buck per round. But I have like 3 or 4 boxes for House gun mags... after that it's ball ammo.
Evil1969SS>LS6
01-06-12, 16:43
Are there any decent barrier loads that aren't a buck a round or more? Heck are there any decent loads, barrier or not that are less than 75 cents a round by the case?
Ammo prices are sickening.
The only bonded barrier blind round that was under a dollar per round is the Federal 62gr. XM223SP1 ICE ammo, which all stocks are dried up by now. Unless you can find a private seller with some, and if you did, more than likely they'd raise the price. You can also find Federal Fusion for under $20 per 20 if you shop around.
I guess for a "decent" barrier load Federal's 5.56 MK318 SOST could be...and you can find it under a dollar per round.
used the federal 62gr bonded bullet
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM277-5.html
used the federal 62gr bonded bullet
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AMM277-5.html
WHAT is that? If that's really the TBBC bullet, that's worth buying a few cases of!
I saw that in my CTD catalog that was in the mail yesterday. They have a few odd ball loads in the XM line.
CTD's descriptions are too retarded to get any real facts from... What is "rear penetrating"..... sounds like some homo activity. :confused:
Evil1969SS>LS6
01-10-12, 21:05
CTD catalogs are comparable to JC Whitney catalogs...just something to read while on the shitter.
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CTD catalogs are comparable to JC Whitney catalogs...just something to read while on the shitter.
Exactly where mine are read. I'd just throw them out immediately... but every once in a while there's something interesting amongst the crap they sell.
The_War_Wagon
01-11-12, 07:33
There's no bullet that comes out of a 5.56 barrel that's worth 1.50 per round.
No lie. A buck a round + is bad enough for 75gr. TAP! :mad:
Well, so much for learning much about it so far. Noone knows a thing.
Wednesday, barring bad weather, I plan to post chronograph data from a 14.5" barrel, as well as a few 10-shot groups from a CAR-A3 that I have previously shot around 1 MOA with using Tap T2. Will tear a few rounds down.
I want to know what spec it failed. These tests should elaborate on that for us.
If it's g2g, it's the best round out there for the 5.56, in general. Expensive? Sure, but the price will only go up. Here you guys are talking about paying a day's wages PER BULLET if we want to go back in time a bit.
As promised. My experience with XM556FBIT3 is as follows:
From my Noveske 14.5" carbine, 10-shot string:
2872fps AVG
30fps SD
98fps ES
From a 24" CAR A3 Colt:
3125fps AVG
70fps ES
20fps SD
Accuracy (from bipod CAR A3 using 10X Leupold and me not having shot a rifle at distance in a long while).
2 10 shot groups.
Group 1: 2.4MOA w/flier. 2.05MOA w/out flier.
Group 2: 2.55 MOA w/flier. 1.815 MOA w/out flier.
Group 1 is on the left, Group 2 is on the right.
Not pictured is a 10-shot group using MK318 MOD 0 SOST, it measured between 2 and 2.1 MOA and had no flier.
All groups fired at 100 yards.
http://i39.tinypic.com/wvvj1c.jpg
Those spreads might account for the vertical variations in the groups.
But 2MOA ammo isn't too bad for a barrier type round I guess....
Those spreads might account for the vertical variations in the groups.
But 2MOA ammo isn't too bad for a barrier type round I guess....
I feel that the flier is my fault. I was not positioned comfortably, had very poor eye-relief, and in general, feel that my personal performance shooting the groups left a bit to be desired. However, I do not wish to make excuses for the product. Molon managed this group with LE223T3:
http://www.box.net/shared/static/64oio84g0s.jpg.
He is a much better shot, shooting in much more ideal conditions, and probably not using a bipod and struggling with the sand-bag under the buttstock on someone else's range with a fixed bench that he cannot move to get proper eye-relief resting the magazine on a board nailed to the bench and...you get the picture. It wasn't fair to the ammo for me to test it in this manner, but I did the best I could and still was pleased with the results.
I have inquired as to why this ammunition was re-classified, and have not been able to find out why. I would discourage anyone else from attempting to figure out why. If you do not already know why, then do not inquire. That is all I am going to say on that front.
My guess is was it would be reclassified so they could sell it.... like any contracted item for agencies... Watches, etc.
The overrun product gets sold through approved channels.
My guess is was it would be reclassified so they could sell it.... like any contracted item for agencies... Watches, etc.
The overrun product gets sold through approved channels.
Who knows, accuracy seems fine, velocity checked out, and it appears to be sealed at both ends very well.
I bought more.
Why?
It was a contract round. There won't be more of it most likely, and if there is, it will be produced/come to market very sporadically. Even if I don't ever feel the need for it, I can dump it on ARF.com in 3-4 years for big bucks. I consider it an investment if nothing else.
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