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OK to shoot +P in a 60's Model 10? I picked up some UMC +P's, which I doubt are very hot anyway. Thanks.
S&W would probably tell you no for CYA, but model 10's were issued and used with +P, and +P+ ammunition, by thousands of cops for many years. Even J frames did just fine with reasonable amounts of +P.
according to the folks at the S&W forum, S&W states any gun stamped with a model number is ok for plus p
according to the folks at the S&W forum, S&W states any gun stamped with a model number is ok for plus p
Absolutely not true.
Model 10 will digest thousands of rounds of +P without issue. When I was a NYPD Police Officer we would fire 1250 rounds of +P annually with no ill effect.
wintermute
12-27-11, 08:32
Woah, uncanny, I was going to post the same thread - the age of the S&W is the same, but I was given Gold Dots in +P as a Christmas gift.
Nothing says "Merry Christmas" like 300 rounds of Gold Dot.
I did ask S&W the question a while ago and their answer was no, you cannot use +P in the gun, but like Jake'sDad said, it seemed to be a canned, CYA response. I'd like to hear more responses.
ser number C415XX. mod 10-5. 5 inch barrel
m4brian, if it were mine I would shoot it with +P ammo despite S&Ws canned answer. Not roaring ammo, though, but most +P made today is not too hot, something along the line of LSWHP 158 gr @ 900 fps in a 4" barrel.
ser number C415XX. mod 10-5. 5 inch barrel
1948.
Model 10 will digest thousands of rounds of +P without issue. When I was a NYPD Police Officer we would fire 1250 rounds of +P annually with no ill effect.
I did ask S&W the question a while ago and their answer was no, you cannot use +P in the gun, but like Jake'sDad said, it seemed to be a canned, CYA response. I'd like to hear more responses.
sjc3081's department, along with my own and thousands of others, issued and fired +P, and +P+, for many, many, years, through their pre +P "rated" steel frame guns. It's a non issue.
Shot the umc +P today. More zip, more blast, a tad more recoil, good accuracy. I did find a listing on another site, and it looks like it is about 1958/9 vintage. It cannot be earlier than that because it is marked model 10. I think the 5 inch barrel is cool. Shoots a bit to the right at 25 yds. Fixed sights of course.
From the S&W manual:
• “Plus-P” ammunition should not be used in medium
(K frame) revolvers manufactured prior to 1958. Such
pre-1958 medium (K-frame) revolvers can be identified by
the absence of a model number stamped inside the yoke
cut of the frame. (i.e., the area of the frame exposed when
the cylinder is in the open position, see Figure 2).
The M10-5 should be post 1962...
http://www.handloads.com/misc/Smith.Model.Changes.asp
I did find a listing on another site, and it looks like it is about 1958/9 vintage. It cannot be earlier than that because it is marked model 10. I think the 5 inch barrel is cool. Shoots a bit to the right at 25 yds. Fixed sights of course.
Then you left a digit off of the serial number you gave. If it were C415XX, it would be a pre model 10, made in 1948.
If it were mine I wouldn't have a problem shooting a modest amount of +P through it but would prefer standard pressure for most practice.
It does look like a digit was imprinted BELOW the rest of the number, so 415XXX might be it, which is the 58/59 time frame and definitely a dashed model number. 10-5.
M4Brian, I have a 5" Model 10-5 myself from around 1962. It's a great gun. You should be fine with +p ammo. With an endorsement from Jake'sDad, you should feel comfortable.
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wintermute
12-28-11, 08:25
From the S&W manual:
Thanks. Just curious, which manual is that? Is that the Standard S&W Catalog that seems to be referenced alot.
A little more info...mine's a Model 10-3, serial # C57XXXX, according to S&W manufactured in 1961. It has a 4" heavy barrel. I feel pretty confident that I'll be okay with the +P now, but I'll try to get someone with a heartbeat on the S&W customer service line after they come back after New Year's.
Thanks. Just curious, which manual is that?
I copy/pasted it from a manual I saved a while back, but it's the same as what's in the current manual available on S&W's website:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/S&W_Revolver_Manual_01-30-2011.pdf
Thanks. Just curious, which manual is that? Is that the Standard S&W Catalog that seems to be referenced alot.
A little more info...mine's a Model 10-3, serial # C57XXXX, according to S&W manufactured in 1961. It has a 4" heavy barrel. I feel pretty confident that I'll be okay with the +P now, but I'll try to get someone with a heartbeat on the S&W customer service line after they come back after New Year's.
If you're looking for a factory endorsement of +P for your gun, it's in the manual novaDAK linked to.
3 of my M&P's, 4", 5", and 6".
http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m602/JakeandDad/MPFamily.jpg
wintermute
12-30-11, 08:12
I copy/pasted it from a manual I saved a while back, but it's the same as what's in the current manual available on S&W's website:
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/other/S&W_Revolver_Manual_01-30-2011.pdf
If you're looking for a factory endorsement of +P for your gun, it's in the manual novaDAK linked to.
AWESOME! Thank you very much.
I don't have a chrono, but I do know that the UMC +P ammo I shot DID kick a bit more and had a lot more boom to it. It was about $34/100 at Wally World.
Anyone know a good +P load (factory) and what performance to expect in a 5" barrel in the Model 10?
BTW - thanks all - informative thread. I used to think 'Grandpa's gun' was a bit lame, but now I know its is very cool.
Now, if you want to get sick, read on. During WWII in the SP, Dad was befriended by an Australian, who GAVE him a model 1917 Smith in .45. He carried it throughout the war. He has a wild story of using it on a patrol when they stumbled upon a Japanese patrol. But...when dad was in Philadelphia after the war, he felt the need for a little carry gun, and TRADED IT IN. OUCH. I can only dream...
PA PATRIOT
12-31-11, 12:06
To Quote DocGKR
Winchester 148 gr standard pressure lead target wad cutter (X38SMRP), as well as the Federal (GM38A) version.
Low recoil, fast follow up shots and accurate. Full Wad cutters are efficient cutters and penetrate deeply.
Anyone know a good +P load (factory) and what performance to expect in a 5" barrel in the Model 10?.
Speer makes +P 135gr GD
My fav is 158gr lead HP +P. I chronographed some NYPD issue Remington 158 gr LSWC+P it did 950fps from a 4inch barrel.
To Quote DocGKR
Winchester 148 gr standard pressure lead target wad cutter (X38SMRP), as well as the Federal (GM38A) version.
Low recoil, fast follow up shots and accurate. Full Wad cutters are efficient cutters and penetrate deeply.
Link... http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19914
This is more specific to snub nosed revolvers where typical JHP ammo has poor performance. That being said, there is no reason not to believe that a wadcutter would perform just as well if not better on soft targets in a longer barrel. With the longer barrel lengths, though, JHPs should have better performance.
I've heard the wadcutter solution before, and... they ARE accurate and easy to shoot. Thanks.
Alpha Sierra
01-02-12, 04:13
My fav is 158gr lead HP +P. I chronographed some NYPD issue Remington 158 gr LSWC+P it did 950fps from a 4inch barrel.
This
Look no further than Remington's 158 gr LSWCHP +P as a duty rated load for any .38 Special revolver.
http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/medium/548/548921.jpg
This
Look no further than Remington's 158 gr LSWCHP +P as a duty rated load for any .38 Special revolver.
http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/medium/548/548921.jpg
This is Steven Camp's favorite load - who sells it right now??? Thanks.
Alpha Sierra
01-02-12, 07:25
Midway is sold out right now, but I haven't looked elsewhere online.
I find it locally easy enough, but I don't go through a lot of it because I reload an exact duplicate for practice/training.
sundance435
01-05-12, 18:55
Speer makes +P 135gr GD
My fav is 158gr lead HP +P. I chronographed some NYPD issue Remington 158 gr LSWC+P it did 950fps from a 4inch barrel.
These have always been my favorite load from a 4" barrel. I used full wadcutters when I carried a snub off-duty, with a speed strip of the above in reserve.
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