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Israel's 'Rosa Parks' refuses to take back seat (http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/19/world/meast/israel-rosa-parks/index.html)
As a matter of custom women sit in the back portion of the bus, because the ultra-Orthodox avoid mingling of the sexes according to their beliefs. She was the first passenger that morning on the bus and took a seat behind the driver. As the bus took on more passengers along its route, an ultra-orthodox man demanded she should sit in the back of the bus as is the custom on that route.
"I heard him call me 'Shikse,'" Rosenblit wrote on her Facebook page, referencing a Yiddish term for a non-Jewish woman. "He demanded I sit in the back of the bus, because Jewish men couldn't sit behind women (!!!). I refused."
I had to assist in an interview of an old, grouchy Hasid once, my partner at the time was female, she verbally tore the guy a new asshole, tossed his bags and threatened to strip search him after he spit at her. I gave serious thought to leaving the room to get a coffee so she could have some private time with him. Good for Rosenblit; about time these guys get put in their place (reduced taxes, no mandatory military service, they suckle on the Israeli tit but make no sacrifices; riding on the backs of those Israelis that do).
Let's make sure we don't lump all tribe members with these guys. Many Orthodox Jews are great people. However, as kmrtnsn said, the particular Jews discussed suck on the Israeli tit and barely contribute. Don't forget most Jews do not condone their behavior. I practice many of the same customs, but I would never treat a woman as a second class citizen simply b/c she is a woman. As a matter of fact, these types royally piss me off for several reasons and if I ever witnessed this type of behavior, I would have said/done something; including going physical.
Mauser KAR98K
12-26-11, 20:20
So, they are kinda like the Wannabi of the Jews, or the Sufi? They don't blow themselves up do they?
They pull the same shit in NYC on public MTA buses
But it never gets any press.
Let's make sure we don't lump all tribe members with these guys. Many Orthodox Jews are great people. However, as kmrtnsn said, the particular Jews discussed suck on the Israeli tit and barely contribute. Don't forget most Jews do not condone their behavior. I practice many of the same customs, but I would never treat a woman as a second class citizen simply b/c she is a woman. As a matter of fact, these types royally piss me off for several reasons and if I ever witnessed this type of behavior, I would have said/done something; including going physical.
10-4, thanks for clarifying for me, I should have typed a line or two more.
Israel, although not one of my favorite countries, has many shining examples of doing things right as a people and a society, and just like us, many of doing things wrong. I have traveled all over the world. I have lived in South America and South and South East Asia and from my own observations from my travels and experiences I can say that extremism, regardless of the political or religious flavor of it is never a good thing.
So, they are kinda like the Wannabi of the Jews, or the Sufi? They don't blow themselves up do they?
You mean, Wahhabi and although I know of no bombings, they have been violent in their extremism.
Let's make sure we don't lump all tribe members with these guys. Many Orthodox Jews are great people. However, as kmrtnsn said, the particular Jews discussed suck on the Israeli tit and barely contribute. Don't forget most Jews do not condone their behavior. I practice many of the same customs, but I would never treat a woman as a second class citizen simply b/c she is a woman. As a matter of fact, these types royally piss me off for several reasons and if I ever witnessed this type of behavior, I would have said/done something; including going physical.
It ain't even Jews specifically. You can substitute Muslim, Christian or Buddhist and I'd have exactly the same problem. Dark Age people who refuse to join the modern world and make it suck for others.
I just wish people could use religion to try and live better lives and leave it at that. But I know that is asking way too much for some people.
You mean, Wahhabi and although I know of no bombings, they have been violent in their extremism.
King David Hotel.
They pull the same shit in NYC on public MTA buses
Once again, this is BS behavior. They bring shame on all Jews, including me. Who the **** do they think they are? They have NO right to impose their beliefs on anyone else. If they don't like the way the people on the MTA buses sit, then don't get the **** on. Israel has buses specifically for the ultra-Orthodox; the jerk discussed in the OP decided he would get on a "normal" bus and impose his beliefs on everyone. Complete BS.
montanadave
12-26-11, 20:48
...extremism, regardless of the political or religious flavor of it is never a good thing.
That pretty well sums it up.
King David Hotel.
That is right. Thanks for the correction.
If they're really so serious about being "orthodox", what the **** are they doing on busses? Ride a horse or a donkey, hypocrites.
Tha Amish seem to be one of the few groups that isolate themselves from modern society for religious purposes and do it with some degree of class.
Tha Amish seem to be one of the few groups that isolate themselves from modern society for religious purposes and do it with some degree of class.
You might want to google the Amish recently in the news.
I didn't say they were perfect - just that they practice there beliefs with more class than your average fundamentalist.
Once again, this is BS behavior. They bring shame on all Jews, including me. Who the **** do they think they are? They have NO right to impose their beliefs on anyone else. If they don't like the way the people on the MTA buses sit, then don't get the **** on. Israel has buses specifically for the ultra-Orthodox; the jerk discussed in the OP decided he would get on a "normal" bus and impose his beliefs on everyone. Complete BS.
While I completely agree with your assessment, I don't think they shame all Jews anymore than Fred Phelps shames all Christians.
Your rejection of the practice IMO exempts you from any shared criticism. I sorta suspect that many people in Israel share the sentiment. We'll have to see if it is a true Rosa Parks moment or not.
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-27-11, 02:21
Send over Roller Derby Chicks.
But seriously, bullies like that have a really low tolerance for direct counter-action- especially if it can come from the people that they are trying to put down.
Can we send them Gloria Stienem and the GLAD gals, or is that too harsh?
It seems fringe groups around the world are itching for a fight. From these ass-clowns to the OWA to pick-the-fun-for-mentals of the week. When do we get to the actual skull cracking and these guy figure out how fringe they are?
Mauser KAR98K
12-27-11, 04:39
You mean, Wahhabi and although I know of no bombings, they have been violent in their extremism.
Yeah, them guys. (Knew I was going to misspell it).
Goes to show every culture has 'em. :dirol::rolleyes:
ThirdWatcher
12-27-11, 07:01
It ain't even Jews specifically. You can substitute Muslim, Christian or Buddhist and I'd have exactly the same problem. Dark Age people who refuse to join the modern world and make it suck for others.
+1 Being the father of daughters, this kinda BS pisses me off faster than just about anything else.
Tha Amish seem to be one of the few groups that isolate themselves from modern society for religious purposes and do it with some degree of class.
We have "Amishville USA" here in my county. Those ****ers don't pay taxes, don't vote, but yet make damn sure they use the medical services of the local Doctors and Hospitals. If they really want to"shun" everything modern, they need to up it and move to the sticks in Utah or somewhere there are no roads and highways going thru their front yards.
They are also some of the biggest alcoholics in the county, and there are at least a dozen car/buggy accidents a year because the buggy driver was drunk.....
Did I mention TAKE A ****ING BATH
One man's pious mensch is another man's religious extremist. I would argue that I am trapped in a Christian theocracy. Most 'blue laws' are someone forcing their religious belief onto other people. ABC laws are religious laws. As an emancipated adult I have every right to buy alcohol on a Sunday. The churchies however say otherwise. They even control where I can buy it!
I have had to deal with Christian lunatics most of my life. They frequently run campaigns against music, pornography, the internet, and my general right to "life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness." They also infringe on my right to self-defense by putting various restrictions on what constitutes 'defense' and 'reasonable' force.
I believe in the individual right to Lex Talionis whereas most Christians and Christian inspired people (and their laws) promote varying degrees of penitence, redemption, and turning the other cheek.
One man's pious mensch is another man's religious extremist. I would argue that I am trapped in a Christian theocracy. Most 'blue laws' are someone forcing their religious belief onto other people. ABC laws are religious laws. As an emancipated adult I have every right to buy alcohol on a Sunday. The churchies however say otherwise. They even control where I can buy it!
I have had to deal with Christian lunatics most of my life. They frequently run campaigns against music, pornography, the internet, and my general right to "life, liberty, and the PURSUIT of happiness." They also infringe on my right to self-defense by putting various restrictions on what constitutes 'defense' and 'reasonable' force.
I believe in the individual right to Lex Talionis whereas most Christians and Christian inspired people (and their laws) promote varying degrees of penitence, redemption, and turning the other cheek.
I'm a Christian (and a Baptist at that) and I agree with the vast majority of what you wrote here.
Regarding self-defense, I'm sure you are right to some extent but it is not a monolithic belief by any stretch of the imagination. The southern Baptist circles that I have been in across the southeast support the individual right of self-defense using lethal force, and don't buy the nonsense that the whole turn the other cheek thing is relevant in the context of violent crime.
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