300 BLK UMC and T-TSX gel test

[rsilvers]

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3691/umcttsxgel.jpg

[C-grunt]

Looks good. Did those 115 UMCs yaw early?

[rsilvers]

There was no special terminal effect property to them. They are best for practice and general use but not best for hunting or home defense.

[rsilvers]

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/9338/300blk300small.jpg

[tpd223]

There was no special terminal effect property to them. They are best for practice and general use but not best for hunting or home defense.

Not special as in not best, or not special as in works about like a 5.45/early yaw 7.62X39/etc. ???

From the looks of that UMC bullet it appears that it might be decent back up ammo if one keeps a mag or two of "the good stuff" handy for first choice use.

I think it would be a mean little bullet if it got sideways early.

[rsilvers]

I will be using it that way. I love the 115 grain UMC ammo.

I don't know how early it yaws.

[The Knuckle]

Rsilvers,

Have you heard from Barnes or others if they will be producing a defensive/hunting bullet for sub-sonic velocities?

thanks for the info too.

[KCabbage]

Looks like the .300 is coming right along. If I remember correctly, last time I took a look at the gelatin testing that was available the .300 looked like a flop. Thanks for sharing.

[rsilvers]

It has controlled penetration - the goal is to limit it.

[ak74auto]

The more I see of this caliber/ammo's performance, the more I think about buying a 300BLK upper.

Thanks rsilvers, please continue to keep us updated.

[PaulL]

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/9338/300blk300small.jpg

I just realized that says "300 yards."

That'll do, pig. :D

[Altair]

Are the full test results available including gel photos and measurements?

[Javelin]

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/9338/300blk300small.jpg

@300 Yards? That is nothing short of phenominal out of a 9" barrel.

:dance3:

[Zeus]

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/9338/300blk300small.jpg

Maybe I missed it, but what was the depth of penetration of the TWO of them at that range?

[DocGKR]

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/7161/300aacblkbarriersummary.jpg

[rsilvers]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/3637/blacktipcardoor.jpg

[DocGKR]

Well Done!

This should clearly demonstrate the superb potential of quality .300 BLK barrier blind loads for LE use, as well as for hunting med game at 300 yds and in.

[Javelin]

Any idea when it will be priced below $12/box?

Also I can't find the Barnes ammo anywhere :confused:

[DocGKR]

Why do you think a high quality Barnes load in .300 BLK would EVER be $12 a box; especially given that ammo loaded with Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets in every other caliber, including 5.56 mm, is substantially more expensive than that?

[rsilvers]

After the UMC is saturated in the market, then other makers will have to lower the price of their blasting ammo to compete with it. Since the UMC is so good having a custom bullet and all, reformed brass ammo with pulled bullets should probably be about $3 a box less to have a chance of selling. That is why I predict $8-$9 a box ammo this year.

I really don't ever expect it to be less than that. It has a 308 bullet after all - and even though it is 110-125 grains - the copper jacket is as long as a 150 grain bullet.

If one wants cheap ammo, use a caliber that employs small varmint bullets.

[Javelin]

Why do you think a high quality Barnes load in .300 BLK would EVER be $12 a box; especially given that ammo loaded with Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets in every other caliber, including 5.56 mm, is substantially more expensive than that?

God I don't know Doc. I guess I'm just crazy like that :jester:

[Javelin]

After the UMC is saturated in the market, then other makers will have to lower the price of their blasting ammo to compete with it. Since the UMC is so good having a custom bullet and all, reformed brass ammo with pulled bullets should probably be about $3 a box less to have a chance of selling. That is why I predict $8-$9 a box ammo this year.

I really don't ever expect it to be less than that. It has a 308 bullet after all - and even though it is 110-125 grains - the copper jacket is as long as a 150 grain bullet.

If one wants cheap ammo, use a caliber that employs small varmint bullets.

Can you shoot me a link to buy the Barnes bullets as pictured? I can't find them.

[Zeus]

So Doc,

You and I had an email discussion a while back about the folks I work for allowing this as an option for agency use (read individual choice). You said you were waiting for someone to make a good bullet for this offering. Is this it? Given the option, I'm trying to decide if I should give up the 11.5" 5.56 for a 9" .300 blkout to tote to work daily... all good training transition practices are a given.

[DocGKR]

This TTSX is very close, however, penetration is a bit deeper than ideal for CONUS LE use--much like the 5.56 mm 70 gr TSX. I see this TTSX as a great load for military GP use. A perfect barrier blind LE load should ideally offer penetration in the 12-18" range--perhaps something like a Remington CLUB, Speer Gold Dot, or Federal TBBC design will optimize the .300 BLK for LE purposes.

[kenndapp]

i have noticed that the ttsx does better than a tsx through barriers because the plastic tip does not allow the nose to collapse in on itself? i know that there is a problem when trying to load a ttsx to mag length with 5.56. but in .308 wouldn't a ttsx loading be better than a tsx for a designated .308 barrier blind load? it seems to work well for 300blk. thoughts?

[Zeus]

This TTSX is very close, however, penetration is a bit deeper than ideal for CONUS LE use--much like the 5.56 mm 70 gr TSX. I see this TTSX as a great load for military GP use. A perfect barrier blind LE load should ideally offer penetration in the 12-18" range--perhaps something like a Remington CLUB, Speer Gold Dot, or Federal TBBC design will optimize the .300 BLK for LE purposes.

Thank you for addressing my concern... specifically. Gold Dot would make for an easy "sell" on my front.

[Jake'sDad]

This is really impressive stuff. I hope other manufacturers jump on the bandwagon.

[cfulback32]

Maybe I missed it, but what was the depth of penetration of the TWO of them at that range?

Curious about this as well. Understandably 300 yards will likely not have ideal penetration, but still would like to know about what kind of penetration to expect at this distance