View Full Version : NST Rail Integrated Offset irons Sight (RIOS) System
I am not 100% sure if this is the place for new AR parts discussion so fellow mods, feel free to move if I am in error.
The Noveske Shooting Team designed Rail Integrated Offset irons Sight (RIOS) System, bolts directly into the Troy TRX E slots and provide for quick target acquisition for those short range engagements. The RIOS system mounts closer to the barrel than the current picatinny rail mounting offset systems. The NST RIOS system includes a fiber front sight (will also accept other front sight inserts), adjustable rear sight, everything you need, nothing you don't.
Also, there will be versions to work with other rail systems coming soon!
Thought I would show the membership here on M4C.net as they might actually find some interest in these.
Some updated photos with some revisions.
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5058/nstrios1.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7121/nstrios2.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4637/nstrios3.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2067/nstrios4.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7086/nstrios5.jpg
http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/9426/mstrios6.jpg
Does the front post have to be rotated 180 degrees to adjust, or does it have a double-nut like (IIRC) the Trijicon tritium front sights?
Exciting product! Would like to see a pic of these mounted to get a better feel for them.
Very cool setup. Glad I chose an Alpha Rail for my next rifle.
Exciting product! Would like to see a pic of these mounted to get a better feel for them.
I have a feeling Stickman might be able to help with that request, stay tuned!
FishingFool
01-15-12, 18:06
estimated street price?
Our goal is to set the MSRP at approx ~100 dollars per set before shipping. Need to double check on a few things before that is set in stone however, so that price is subject to change.
Awesome. That's a very reasonable price. I'll be looking for these when I start my next build.
I like the idea for the front, but the rear, I am not so sure on mounting it on the rail in front of the optic. I guess maybe I just have never seen it done as almost everything I see has the BUIS rear mounted at the rear of the receiver.
Is the front going to be a standard height so you could use a different rear?
OFFSET irons, dude.
Look at the mountings, then picture them at 11 or 1 o'clock on a rail, as a closer-ranged supplement to a magnified optic.
These look like they are meant to be mounted off the midline of the rail, not in line with traditional sights, or optics. Somewhat similar to the Dueck (sp?) sights offered on the Stag Arms 3G. Believe they are designed for close in 3Gun targets, when optics are not needed, rather than used as BUIS.
Mark
OFFSET irons, dude.
Look at the mountings, then picture them at 11 or 1 o'clock on a rail, as a closer-ranged supplement to a magnified optic.
****, totally missed the offset part. Thats what i get for trying to be coherent at 7am.
Not sure how you'd get that rear app close to your eye if it's mounted on a rail. :confused:
When shooting a handgun, is the rear sight close to your eye?
Still works reasonably well for close range.
When shooting a handgun, is the rear sight close to your eye?
I've never seen a handgun with a Peep/app rear sight. Ghost ring sights were a brief blip.... but never a peep.
Why? Because you need to get your eye close to it or it's not effective.
Not sure how you'd get that rear app close to your eye if it's mounted on a rail. :confused:
It's been working fine for awhile now for guys using the Dueck RTS and other offset irons for the application they were designed for.
They don't mount on a rail but are integrated into the Troy TRX E slots themselves.
They don't mount on a rail but are integrated into the Troy TRX E slots themselves.
Sure... I understand where it'd go... I'm just trying to reconcile it in my head. I mean... I moved my carry handle forward as a goof for one of the BUIS sight threads, and it really slows the sight pic down.
The offset Irons I've seen in the past have had a notch rear. I'm not knocking it, since I've never tried it, but It just seems like it wouldn't be fast enough for a competition sight.
So these are meant for competition basically? I wouldn't think this would be a good option for use as a backup if your optic went down as to having to hold the rifle in the canted position for a long period of time not being ideal.
Eurodriver
01-16-12, 15:10
I've never seen a handgun with a Peep/app rear sight. Ghost ring sights were a brief blip.... but never a peep.
Why? Because you need to get your eye close to it or it's not effective.
I have this same concern. If the app. Is bigger than using a2 specs (even bigger than the 0-2 sight) I could see it working for close up ipsc style targets.
I have used mojo sights for milsurp rifles for many years so i know the app doesn't have to be close to your eye for it to work properly. But as for speed, it needs to be big.
I've never seen a handgun with a Peep/app rear sight. Ghost ring sights were a brief blip.... but never a peep.
Why? Because you need to get your eye close to it or it's not effective.
"Ghost ring" sights ARE aperture sights. They just have a larger aperture. They do not have to be close to the eye to be effective but they are more effective when they are. For example, the '03 Springfield has an aperture that's part of the barrel mounted rear sight which is used for long range precise shooting.
I will agree that an aperture sight is faster and easier to use when mounted closer to the eye. A large aperture mounted on a pistol or on the barrel of a rifle will work as well as notched rear sight but I think an aperture sight so mounted loses any advantage it has over the notch rear sight
May be a stupid ?. But will these fit the TRX rails with the holes or are the ones with the slots, the E slot mentioned above? Thanks.
Intriguing.....send me a set and I'll get pics up before stick.....:D
Off-topic (slightly), but is there some equivalent in the works for this mounting, but affixing an MRDS such as the Deltapoint or RMR?
justin_247
01-17-12, 16:30
Being that you can only mount these on a Troy rail, I would think that the Dueck RTS would be more versatile. I'm very eager to try them...
http://www.dueckdefense.com/gun-sight-specs.asp
thopkins22
01-17-12, 16:57
I think MarkM's point is being lost. With the Duek sights, you can get the rear aperture just as close to your eye as it would be if it were a regular 12:00 mounting. The rear sight can be mounted right above the charging handle, instead of forward on the tube.
Aperture sights do in fact need to be close to your eye(rather the aperture does, because of the way the eye naturally centers the front sight. When you move that further away, your eye has to deal with two different visual planes as opposed to looking THROUGH the aperture...further away you must look at it. Not that it doesn't work...if they won't be sold as a set I might buy the front sight and marry it to a Duek rear to save some money over the complete Duek set...if they'll line up of course.
Not saying it doesn't work really well for professional shooters, but that it doesn't seem ideal for me.
Mark's point was the rear aperture MUST be near the eye to BE EFFECTIVE. This isn't true. However, it is true that they lose much of their advantage over a notch style rear sight as the aperture is mounted further from the eye.
This doesn't mean I recommend using aperture sights in place of notch type sights using a forward mounting location
Some updated photos with some revisions... Cut out the peep, going to enlarge it some more and go test it out.
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/5058/nstrios1.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7121/nstrios2.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4637/nstrios3.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2067/nstrios4.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/7086/nstrios5.jpg
http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/9426/mstrios6.jpg
thopkins22
02-02-12, 18:22
Some updated photos with some revisions... Cut out the peep, going to enlarge it some more and go test it out.
Now we're talking....:)
Atticus_1354
02-02-12, 19:30
Any chance these will work with the TROY/VTAC rails?
thopkins22
02-02-12, 22:39
Any chance these will work with the TROY/VTAC rails?
Or for that matter JP tubes?
Nice!
BTW to keep this in perspective, except for the cant, this setup is basically what AK47s have as their primary sights..
I have a feeling Stickman might be able to help with that request, stay tuned!
LOL, I was waiting for a report to print today and was checking the forums. This was the first I've heard of this. You guys should have brought one to SHOT.:)
the_master_midget
01-19-13, 02:01
Did these ever go into production? They seem perfect with the fiber pipe on the front sight and the rear sight being comparable to a rear pistol sight or csat sight. I'm more into hunting and I can't tell you how many times I have missed opportunities because I couldn't pick up an animal in my sight.
They are about to go into production now.
The fiber front is from HIVIZ, if you just want one for your standard sights. Available from Brownells, Midway, etc.
the_master_midget
01-19-13, 16:23
No I'm looking for offset sights. I just swapped my larue mount for a lower NF unimount 1.125 so I can get better cheek weld. I have been hoping lower offset sights would come to market. The plus is I'm left handed and these appear to be truly universal. Are these still going to be made for the troy trx or the new nsr?
They should be coming soon, Todd K had the final ones for review last week. These will be available for the Troy rails and the Noveske NSRs (or any other Key Mod rail ).
They should be coming soon, Todd K had the final ones for review last week. These will be available for the Troy rails and the Noveske NSRs (or any other Key Mod rail ).
I saw this thread pop back up and it immediately had me wondering if it was a Keymod option.
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