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ForTehNguyen
01-16-12, 09:38
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/01/16/first-spear-bends-molle-over-with-6-12-and-tubes/

Pretty interesting way of mounting gear. Claims its 20-40% lighter than similar MOLLE rigs, cheaper to fabricate, and easier for the user to mount gear. It is also backwards compatible with MOLLE as well. Check out the vid in the link.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/first-spear-612-tubes/620x-siege-r-6-12.jpg
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/first-spear-612-tubes/620x-strandhogg-mbav-cut.jpg
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/first-spear-612-tubes/620x-strandhogg-sapi-cut-plate-carrier.jpg


First Spear is showing us two homegrown technologies that are showcased on versions of their Siege and forthcoming StrandHogg armor carrier systems. 6/12 and Tubes could really shake things up considering how these innovations combine to significantly reduce weight and complexity of armor carriers.

6/12 is the evolution of PALS/MOLLE. The system is comprised of two parts; the base platform, which I’ll call the female side and the pouches attachment system, which we’ll call the male side.

The 6/12 platform replaces the array of horizontal webbing sewn to a vest with a grid of laser cut slots through both the face fabric and the fuzzy Velcro laminated to its back face. The spacing is identical to a PALS field, so you can still lash your legacy PALS accessories to the 6/12 base. There are at least three benefits to this system, the first being weight reduction in the range of 20-40% over legacy LBE systems (depending on the application) and the second being easier fabrication. While the former will be an immediate benefit to the end user, the latter is an industrial benefit that may contribute to a price reduction, or the adoption more features and higher quality in other parts of the system thanks to lower production costs. The third benefit is how easy it is to run/hide comm wires for snag free movement.

The second part of the system, the male side, is found on the back of First Spear’s new line of 6/12 light weight pouches. The single, threaded strap is replaced by a series of lobster tail shaped Velcro tabs that are inserted through the face of the slotted grid and secured on the backside by pressing them against the fuzzy backing laminated to the nylon face fabric. Each tab has fuzzy Velcro on it’s back to capture the overlapping tabs of its neighboring tabs. This creates a pretty solid connection between pouch and backing without any of the pain-in-the-ass threading associated with PALS.

About the only complication of the 6/12 system comes with having to pull your plate and get your hands up inside the plate pocket. I don’t really see that as an issue because it’s common practice to pull plates from a MOLLE system to make it easier to thread PALS tabs, anyway.

So that’s 6/12. It’s a highly adaptable way to erect a layout of load bearing pouches without the weight and difficulty of PALS. I am interested to get my hands on a set to see just how strong that slotted laminate platform fabric is. First Spear tells me the haven’t seen any problems with the slots tearing as the pockets are pulled during testing, but they haven’t ruled out adding some kind of reinforcement, perhaps bar tacking between slots, for increased durability.

Tubes is quick detach system that replaces Velcro flap cummerbunds and crazy strap deployed wire-based armor cutaway systems with a simple rod-and-sleeve based design. One side is a reinforced nylon rod sewn to the garment, and the other side is a tube sewn to the mating side of the garment. To join the parts, simply slide the rod into the tube from either end. A notch in the center of the rod is captured by a levered arm on the tube. To release, just pull a toggle attached to the tube and the rod can pass freely through the tube.

First Spear is making Tubes in two lengths, 2 inch and 4 inch, to work as shoulder and waist attachment points respectively.

It takes ten times longer to explain it than it does to get it by watching, so have a look at the included video from First Spear and you’ll get it. The benefits are reduced reliance on large swatches of Velcro to keep your cummerbund closed. Anyone that has used this arrangement knows that after a while, Velcro loses its closing strength and you end up getting smacked in the face by a magazine-laden shingle of fabric during highly dynamic movement.

Another benefit is how quickly armor carriers can be reassembled after an emergency doff. It’s a common complaint that single pull systems are time consuming to reassemble and this leads to less effective training.

It’s fast and simple, but I’m curious if people and organizations will write it off as as not being a true cutaway system because all four connections aren’t released from a single-pull. I’m also going to look at how the 2 inch Tubes feel against the shoulder, especially when shooting. It seems like a big, hard horizontal bar laying across the collar bone would interfere with a rifle’s shoulder-stock weld. My last reservation is about the pull tabs. The system they are showing has 550 cord pulls just hanging out. I’m interested to see if those can be pulled by accident and cause an inadvertent doffing. Covers of some kind may be in order, provided they can be added without hampering the quick release capability.

First Spear is showing 6/12 and Tubes at their range day event today, so look for a followup report tonight that may answer some of my questions.

rob_s
01-16-12, 09:50
that is pretty bad-ass.

Voodoo_Man
01-16-12, 10:08
looks interesting, price and availability in colors?

Kfgk14
01-16-12, 11:21
Nice. Also probably less likely to become entangled in brush/bring debris with you in the Molle loops (problem I've had in brambles, very annoying).

AFGuy1227
01-16-12, 11:40
Very interesting but I bet it will cost a small fortune.

calicojack
01-16-12, 12:41
SDS did the slot thing on one of their packs a few years back. This looks very interesting. I'm loving the cummerbund attachment points.

from a tax paper point of view, With everything we just spent on switching the army over to multicam, and seeing as how molle does work (and has for years) i hope the gooberment doesn't invest in a system that has not yet been proven. don't get me wrong. I have no problem in making things lighter and faster (especially armor).

only time will tell

northern1
01-16-12, 15:56
Makes so much sense I wonder why things didn't go this way when the MOLLE system first came out ? I'm wondering if there's a reason.

Wake27
01-16-12, 17:01
I'm wondering how durability, security, and comfort is.

sgtjosh
01-16-12, 22:35
My only concern at this time about the mounting system is how well loaded pouches stay where you put them, especially over the long haul.

I wonder if the tubes squeak. Will the environmental crud gum them up?

I will be watching this to see how it develops.

rob_s
01-17-12, 05:19
Guys, from what I understand the dudes at First Spear are some of the brains behind the good old days at Eagle. I would err on the side of high quality and well sorted, not the opposite, when anticipating how their stuff will perform.

A lot of people that know a lot of stuff are VERY excited about First Spear as a company, and expect big things from them.

calicojack
01-17-12, 07:33
Guys, from what I understand the dudes at First Spear are some of the brains behind the good old days at Eagle. I would err on the side of high quality and well sorted, not the opposite, when anticipating how their stuff will perform.

A lot of people that know a lot of stuff are VERY excited about First Spear as a company, and expect big things from them.

edit: no they weren't. i found the manufacturer for that and have already forgotten their name. their price point was to high for a "platform" and not a full bag.

nobody knows
01-17-12, 16:09
Looks neat, I hope it turns out well for the the guys involved.

ForTehNguyen
01-18-12, 08:33
Hands on – FirstSpear Tubes range demo

Ronnie Fowlkes of FirstSpear gave me a hands-on demo of their new Tubes technology at the Elite Defense “Occupy The Range” event at SHOT Show 2012. I took the opportunity to ask a few questions about the system and to put a few rounds downrange while wearing the kit. I used a SCAR 16 to check for interference and/or discomfort and found there was none. The Tubes stand off enough and are positioned low enough that it didn’t come close to digging into my chest or collarbone. Check out the video here and standby for a followup on the 6/12 pouch attachment system and platform.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/01/17/hands-on-firstspear-tubes-range-demo/

calicojack
01-19-12, 09:31
anyone seen or heard a price point yet?

ForTehNguyen
01-19-12, 10:36
http://www.first-spear.com/home.php?cat=270

$400-500. Vest weighs 1.7lbs to 2.9lbs depending on the model

Seige-R $500 - 2.59lbs

http://www.first-spear.com/images/D/PLI_0083_2.jpghttp://www.first-spear.com/images/D/PLI_0081.jpg

Strandhogg MBV $400 - 1.9lbs
http://www.first-spear.com/images/D/PLI_0078_1.jpghttp://www.first-spear.com/images/D/PLI_0073a.jpghttp://www.first-spear.com/images/D/PLI_0075.jpg

Strandhogg SAPI $400 - 1.7lbs
http://www.first-spear.com/images/D/Strandhogg_sapi.jpghttp://www.first-spear.com/images/D/PLI_612_7_0096.jpghttp://www.first-spear.com/images/D/PLI_0097.jpg

calicojack
01-19-12, 10:40
eh. i can't justify that just to change up the cumberbund from my EPCwCB

Voodoo_Man
01-19-12, 14:17
that sapi is awesome looking....

trinydex
01-19-12, 22:25
i'm confused on how you put the pouches on

Voodoo_Man
01-20-12, 17:23
i'm confused on how you put the pouches on

did you see the video?

Same way you would put standard molle on...

trinydex
01-20-12, 18:16
i mean their pouches. regular molle doesnt have velcro like that. it looks like u have to access the back of the ladder panel. the demo ladder panel was disconnected so you could see the back. am i missing something?

Voodoo_Man
01-20-12, 19:57
i mean their pouches. regular molle doesnt have velcro like that. it looks like u have to access the back of the ladder panel. the demo ladder panel was disconnected so you could see the back. am i missing something?

I see what you mean.

I do not know, maybe there is something we are not seeing.

TehLlama
01-20-12, 21:20
I think they're doing themselves a disservice by not showing those loaded down with some Helium Whisper setups - whenever those pouches are empty the actual PC profile must be tiny.

If in fact the 6/12 system can be ported to even simpler designs that don't involve the tubes (which look like a great retrofit for existing quick ditch carriers like the USMC SPC), but something much closer to a standalone plate carrier with the simplest cummerbund arrangement (6/12 outsides with a 6x6 plate pocket, front and rear plate bags for the operator cut plates), the final weight could be extremely impressive.

trinydex
01-23-12, 18:05
Is the first spear pc with helium whisper pouches the lightest setup available right now?

Voodoo_Man
01-23-12, 18:23
Is the first spear pc with helium whisper pouches the lightest setup available right now?

I am curious to see "how light" a full setup would be...

edit: also what a "cost to weight" ratio would look like.

trinydex
01-23-12, 19:55
Me too

Voodoo_Man
01-26-12, 15:10
I called firstspear to find out exactly when they are going to be shipping these PC's out and was told late April, which will probably mean May.

rero360
10-26-12, 11:22
I know I'm necroposting but searched and didn't come up with any newer threads regarding the tubes technology.

Has anyone picked one of these carriers up or the cummerbund retrofit? If so, what is your thoughts on it, worthwhile investment? Have they held up to use and abuse?

I have a PIG and am thinking of retrofitting the cummerbund and just want to make sure I don't waste my precious few dollars. I'm thinking it would make a great improvement over the KDH abortion I'm sure to get issued when I deploy next year.