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Surefire sure like's the 500 lumen and up lights this year, the x300 ultra looks badass but i dont think i need 500 lumens on my glock!
That's got to be some sort of typo, 500 lumens from an X300? How is that even possible?
JBecker 72
01-16-12, 15:48
That's got to be some sort of typo, 500 lumens from an X300? How is that even possible?
It's the "Ultra" model. ;)
snackgunner
01-16-12, 15:53
Anyone know if the x300 ultra is the same size as the x300?
Im hoping the x300 ultra will also fit in my raven concealment holster.
I say half those lights never see the light of day. But I'm in for a bunch of X300 Ultras!
Im afraid to even look at prices to those!
They look badass though.
Im liking that Vampire and the X400 alot.
Surefire or not, when you say 500 (MAX) it means just that MAX. What is the standard running brightness? I think if it were a 500 lumen light they would advertize it as such. If they mean 500 lumens for let's say 30 minute run time, that would be great!
I am in no way knocking Surefire, I just don't care for the advertising strategy.
I'm liking the EB1 for EDC and the P2X Fury for a truck light
I am in awe of the sheer quantity of new products. Wow.
320 lumen is the brightest light i own. I now know i NEED a 500 lumen surfire, lol
Surefire or not, when you say 500 (MAX) it means just that MAX. What is the standard running brightness? I think if it were a 500 lumen light they would advertize it as such. If they mean 500 lumens for let's say 30 minute run time, that would be great!
I am in no way knocking Surefire, I just don't care for the advertising strategy.
Yep, I'm tracking, but let's say it is 500 lumens for the 10 seconds that brand new cells are in, and it's 300 for 0:10 to 20:00, then 240 from 20:01 to 35:00.
That would still be a minimum of 70 lumens brighter than their current X300 @ 170 lumens. Which many think is a huge amount of white light inside a small/medium enclosure.
snackgunner
01-16-12, 18:16
I just emailed surefire about the x300 ultra.
A tech support rep said " the x300 ultra will produce 500 lumens on maximum-output and will be powered by 2 SF123 3v lithium batteries".
And
"the bezel-assembly of the new x300 ultra will be slightly larger than the origional x300. Weve found that this negligibile difference has not affected fit in more accomodating holster (e.g. Safariland or Bladetech), but may present issues in form-fitting holsters."
hotrodder636
01-16-12, 18:26
I was looking at getting an X400, now I see they have one with a green laser diode.....I think I am going to wait for it to come out!!
I was looking at getting an X400, now I see they have one with a green laser diode.....I think I am going to wait for it to come out!!
I know it's probably a no, but I really hope the x400-IR is available in a Class 1.
The LDI LAS/TAC 2 announcement was a bit underwhelming.
That's got to be some sort of typo, 500 lumens from an X300? How is that even possible?
All LED's are not the same. Newer LED's are much more efficient and give more lumens for less power. A Cree XM-L will easily output over 500 lumens at around 1500mA power input.
Given that your average CR123A has about 1500mAh of power that gives an approximate 1 hour runtime. Of course, intermittent use, heat sinking, ambient temp, and other factors will affect this.
However, for sure it will be longer than the SF old days high power lamps that only ran for 15-20 minutes. If they use any sort of power management they will easily get more runtime at a lower power as the battery drains.
See here for info about output for various LED's.
http://flashlight-wiki.com/Cree#XM-L
A larger bezel for an XM-L makes sense since the XM-L is a bit floody and it would need a bigger bezel to give it some extra throw. Not so good news for all my holsters though!
Oh yeah, before the XM-L one company stuck 3 XP-G LED's inside an X300 to get 1000 lumens for 20 minutes using special IMR rechargeable batteries. Now you could get the same output out of an XM-L or three for less power with a longer runtime.
http://www.oveready.com/custom-flashlights/triple-xpg-surefire-x300/prod_211.html
Dennis.
All LED's are not the same. Newer LED's are much more efficient and give more lumens for less power. A Cree XM-L will easily output over 500 lumens at around 1500mA power input.
Given that your average CR123A has about 1500mAh of power that gives an approximate 1 hour runtime. Of course, intermittent use, heat sinking, ambient temp, and other factors will affect this.
However, for sure it will be longer than the SF old days high power lamps that only ran for 15-20 minutes. If they use any sort of power management they will easily get more runtime at a lower power as the battery drains.
See here for info about output for various LED's.
http://flashlight-wiki.com/Cree#XM-L
A larger bezel for an XM-L makes sense since the XM-L is a bit floody and it would need a bigger bezel to give it some extra throw. Not so good news for all my holsters though!
Oh yeah, before the XM-L one company stuck 3 XP-G LED's inside an X300 to get 1000 lumens for 20 minutes using special IMR rechargeable batteries. Now you could get the same output out of an XM-L or three for less power with a longer runtime.
http://www.oveready.com/custom-flashlights/triple-xpg-surefire-x300/prod_211.html
Dennis.
Thanks Dennis, I am obviously WAY over my head with lights and LED technology. Appreciate the primer...
As I posted in the other SF 2012 thread, I have a C2 Centurion running an XM-L and bored out for 18650 Li-Ion batteries. It flat out kicks ass. :)
mkmckinley
01-17-12, 01:53
I really, really hope the X400IR is GTG and affordable.
I really, really hope the X400IR is GTG and affordable.
GTG, YES. Affordable....probably not. Even the standard X400 right now is what, $600?
Yep, I'm tracking, but let's say it is 500 lumens for the 10 seconds that brand new cells are in, and it's 300 for 0:10 to 20:00, then 240 from 20:01 to 35:00.
That would still be a minimum of 70 lumens brighter than their current X300 @ 170 lumens. Which many think is a huge amount of white light inside a small/medium enclosure.
actually these should be regulated output in that they will maintain brightness until the battery loses a certain amount of power - generally over 80%.
I believe this is one of the new XM-L LEDs, of which I just picked up a 460 Thrunite drop in module for $29 from battery junction.
it is rated at 460 with 2-CR123 but runs at a higher rate with rechargeables. perhaps this is what they mean when they say "maximum"...
I'm excited that the new LEDs are making that sort of output - but I'd rather have a 3V Vampire head, or a proper 200 lumen M300 scout before an X300 that competes with the old Devastator lights.
Cesiumsponge
01-26-12, 22:38
500 lumens would be fantastic with a 12 o'clock mount on a carbine (in certain situations). Surefire is never on the cutting edge of LED stuff (took them years to even switch to LEDs) but they're conservative and put out a solid product that can't go wrong. Some of the smaller companies that use the "latest and greatest" put out pretty frightening LED products...we're talking 2000 lumen lights (and a 200 lumen "low mode" for 18 hours) half the size of a Surefire M6! I wish 18650 li-ions would gain popularity but I fear they'll always be in the realm of flashlight hobbyists/snobs.
They obviously aren't going to discontinue the X300 because not everyone wants a 500 lumen weaponlight to clear the indoors. I hope the X300 Ultra is reasonable in price jump.
Rechargeable CR123s (RCR123's) run at about 800-900ma. Straight lithium CR123's run at 1500ma so you aren't going to get better performance out of rechargables than lithiums. I'm going to guess they use a "boost" upon initial activation, then it drop back down a bit. There is no practical, noticeable difference between 500 lumens and 460 lumens. Perceived brightness to the human eye is logarithmic. HDS Systems makes some incredibly tough lights (tougher than Surefire arguably) and they incorporate a "burst" mode where the first 10 seconds of activation gives you maximum power, then drops a power level afterwards (ie 170 drops to 140 lumens). In this way, if you're using the light for a tactical burst or short intervals, you get max power, but for extended lighting duties, it saves you battery life by dropping down a brightness level (about double) and you don't really lose illumination.
Im hoping the x300 ultra will also fit in my raven concealment holster.
Preliminary information says it won't. We're working with SF to support their new lights with holsters and modular carriers.
Regards,
Tom
SeriousStudent
01-27-12, 22:52
Preliminary information says it won't. We're working with SF to support their new lights with holsters and modular carriers.
Regards,
Tom
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