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is releaseing 2 MOA T1. I shot it today, very nice. :)
Mike
DeltaSierra
01-16-12, 18:19
You don't say....
And to think that I was just about to order a 4 MOA T-1....:p
is releaseing 2 MOA T1. I shot it today, very nice. :)
Mike
Any links to any info on this?
No links. I shot it at the LE/MIL shoot today. Formal announcement at SHOT. If I get more info I'll post it.
Mike
Any links to any info on this?
Aimpoint Announce 2 MOA Micro T-1 (http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/story/1326701837mmg3jubxxp1)
Man that stinks cause i just got one of the 4 moa T1's for christmas!
RogerinTPA
01-16-12, 18:47
Day late and a dollar short, but good news just the same. Wish they would have came out with this version first.
Now if they can just invent some clear flip type lens caps. Hell I'll even settle for more durable lens cap bands on the current version.
Man that stinks cause i just got one of the 4 moa T1's for christmas!
I feel your pain!
Jay Cunningham
01-16-12, 19:02
Man that stinks cause i just got one of the 4 moa T1's for christmas!
Throw that worthless piece of crap right in the trash!
Good to know. I like my 4moa but might have to pick one up.
bloody heck, I just bought 42 H-1's for our new rifle program...I would have got the 2 MOA if it was an option.
Boltgun
Eurodriver
01-16-12, 19:21
Man that stinks cause i just got one of the 4 moa T1's for christmas!
I'll but it off you for $500 assuming it has a Tall mount of some sort (Larue, DD, Bobro, ADM, etc)
Man that stinks cause i just got one of the 4 moa T1's for christmas!
Well Ill take it!
Haha.
Ill PM you my addy
Oh well,I guess aimpoint will be hitting my wallet hard again this year!:D
This is great news for those wanting a 2 MOA micro. Not to mention all the folks that will get a good deal on used 4 MOA units as others convert.
patriot_man
01-16-12, 21:50
Oh man time to buy a mount. Any word on the release month?
I will be looking for a bunch of discounted 4MOA's on the EE.
I will be looking for a bunch of discounted 4MOA's on the EE.
Just thinking the same exact thing!
ICANHITHIMMAN
01-16-12, 21:55
So if your going to upgrade I'm looking for a used one
The_War_Wagon
01-16-12, 22:02
Man that stinks cause i just got one of the 4 moa T1's for christmas!
Meh... I'll give ya' a C-note for it. ;)
saddlerocker
01-16-12, 22:04
if the price is the same, ill be pissed because I just bought an H-1, but if its over $50 more ill be cool with it.
The 4 MOA dot almost stopped me from getting it, as my bad eyes make it even larger......
Failure2Stop
01-16-12, 22:07
Any changes to the crispness of the dot?
Hallelujah! Praise the lord!
God willing and the creek don't rise, I'm ordering one (with LaRue mount, of course) as soon as they release them.
This is a good day.
Any changes to the crispness of the dot?
The 2 moa T1 I shot looked crisper that the 4 moa T1.
Mike
Day late and a dollar short, but good news just the same. Wish they would have came out with this version first.
Now if they can just invent some clear flip type lens caps. Hell I'll even settle for more durable lens cap bands on the current version.
This, in spades. I have one each, T1, H1 and R1. Think I'll wait till they have a 2moa with the aforementioned caps before I upgrade.
The 2 moa T1 I shot looked crisper that the 4 moa T1.
Mike
Were you able to "bloom" it on max setting in direct sunlight?
Were you able to "bloom" it on max setting in direct sunlight?
No, sorry.
Nice, this means post-SHOT there will be a bunch of barely used 4moa T1s for sale on TOS.
mkmckinley
01-17-12, 06:47
Nice, this means post-SHOT there will be a bunch of barely used 4moa T1s for sale on TOS.
Shhh I was thinking the same thing.
Press release says they are available immediately. I was going to get a T-1 for my SBR setup. I wonder when Grant is going to get some in. My old T-1 will stay in it's present place on my BCM 14.5".
Throw that worthless piece of crap right in the trash!
You nailed that one! :jester:
jonconsiglio
01-17-12, 07:52
I like the idea of a 2 MOA T1 for magnified use, but I really don't think it's worth trading for. Even when hunting with a T1 and magnifier, I don't think I'd personally see that much of an advantage. I don't shoot for tight groups that often and even then, I can get almost as tight at 200 meters with my current T1 and magnifier as I can with an ACOG 4x23.
If I was given the option when buying, I'd go for the 2 MOA, but it's not worth taking a hit on a current model just to get the new model. Maybe it's different for everyone else, but I don't see much difference in my results between my T1 and my M4 that I recently sold.
-- I say this now, but I'll likely be ordering one as well!
but it's worth taking a hit on a current model just to get the new model.
You meant to say not worth it, right?
jonconsiglio
01-17-12, 09:45
You meant to say not worth it, right?
NOT worth it, at least to me.. Thanks for catching that.
Wonder how cheap the 4moa T-1 will get.
T-1 on a Glock might become affordable...
I don't think it would be worth trading the 4 MOA for a 2 MOA either. I'm going to keep my present T-1 and just purchase the 2 MOA to put on another weapon.
Magic_Salad0892
01-17-12, 12:12
Thank God I didn't order the 4MOA one, yet.
... I just have a mount...
I'll be in for two of these.
Eurodriver
01-17-12, 12:18
Im about to buy another 4 MOA T1.
I don't even want a 2 MOA dot really, but I'd get one if they're at the same price or cheaper. Does anyone having pricing info?
jonconsiglio
01-17-12, 12:36
Prices should all be the same. It's not like a 2 MOA dot is that much better. Look at the M3 with the 2 or 4 MOA option, I don't think there's a price difference.
I wouldn't mind one for use with a magnifier though. I've actually considered buying another M4 or even an EXPS-3 for that reason, but I just don't see that much of an advantage if you already own a 4 MOA... For my needs, I don't mean to speak for anyone else.
Thank God I didn't order the 4MOA one, yet.
... I just have a mount...
I'll be in for two of these.
You'll have to post pics when you get them both. Maybe we'll get to see these elusive specially cut rifles. :)
I put my M4s up for sale just a few hours before this news hit the forum. This is exactly why I didn't get a T-1 to begin with. Now If I can move that M4s I know what will be replacing it.
Magic_Salad0892
01-17-12, 13:59
You'll have to post pics when you get them both. Maybe we'll get to see these elusive specially cut rifles. :)
Once I get the new GFA, and test out the Trijicon HDs for myself I might post pics/video of THAT setup. With Ti-RANT!
If I decide to do that, I might (probably will) take pics of the rifles.
I just don't really feel comfortable posting pics of my guns on the internet.
No real reason why. Just paranoia, or neuroticism.
Just got an email from SKD advertising the 2 MOA T-1 with a DD mount for $658. They say they will have it in stock tomorrow. I think I'm going to wait to see what Grant comes up with. He has the 4 MOA T-1 with the DD mount for $589. Maybe he will do the same for the 2 MOA.
Throw that worthless piece of crap right in the trash!
:jester: precisely what I was thinking
SKD Pre-Order
http://www.skdtac.com/Aimpoint-Micro-T-1-2-MOA-p/aim.312.htm
Man that stinks cause i just got one of the 4 moa T1's for christmas!
You and me both. :suicide:
Evil Colt 6920
01-17-12, 18:24
Good news! I'll wait for a 1 moa version equipped with clear lense covers though...
Good news! I'll wait for a 1 moa version equipped with clear lense covers though...
Are you sure you don't want the EOTech Zombie Optic (http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/01/17/eotech-xps2-z-zombie-fanatics-your-optic-has-arrived/#more) :ph34r:
You and me both. :suicide:
If you didn't like it, why did you buy it?
In general, you can avoid disappointment with new things if you buy what you really need/want. That is, unless you have to have the latest and greatest.
Are you sure you don't want the EOTech Zombie Optic (http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/01/17/eotech-xps2-z-zombie-fanatics-your-optic-has-arrived/#more) :ph34r:
Oh my god... :suicide:
Beat Trash
01-17-12, 19:02
Are you sure you don't want the EOTech Zombie Optic (http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/01/17/eotech-xps2-z-zombie-fanatics-your-optic-has-arrived/#more) :ph34r:
Do you have to use the Hornady Zombie ammunition exclusively with this optic?
Do you have to use the Hornady Zombie ammunition exclusively with this optic?
Along with the Hogue Zombie Grips (http://twitter.com/cheaperthandirt/status/159426847849984000/photo/1/large)
Don't forget your backup Zombie AK-47 (http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/wp-content/images/shotshow2012/Zombie_AK_4.jpg)
and the Zombie Cleaning Kit (http://www.firearmstruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/zombie-cleaning-system.jpg)
Leupold VX-R Zombie Rifle Scope (https://twitter.com/#!/OpticsPlanet/status/159342562925223936/photo/1/large)
and apparently a Zombie version of the Mossberg 464 SPX in .22 and 30-30 (http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg532/scaled.php?tn=0&server=532&filename=ygehn.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
Hunter Rose
01-17-12, 20:01
If Bruce Campbell of Evil Dead/Army of Darkness fame were ever to wield an AK47 that would be it!
I'm surprised so many people like the 2 MOA dots. I have a hard enough time with the 4 MOA. Tried a buddy's PRO w/2 MOA and had to really look to find the dot. I'll stick with 4. :cool:
Dionysusigma
01-18-12, 08:07
Are you sure you don't want the EOTech Zombie Optic (http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/01/17/eotech-xps2-z-zombie-fanatics-your-optic-has-arrived/#more) :ph34r:
:secret: I'm a little ashamed to admit that the words "oh, COOL" escaped the instant I saw this. :D Will I get one? Probably not. Do I want one?
... maybe...
Are you sure you don't want the EOTech Zombie Optic (http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/01/17/eotech-xps2-z-zombie-fanatics-your-optic-has-arrived/#more) :ph34r:
I love this openning sentence to the article! :p
Clearly, EOTech feels that their product line is solid and does not require major revision,
ColdDeadHands
01-18-12, 09:51
I'll pay $100 ea. for all unwanted 4 MOA T1's!
Just thought I'd throw that out there...:D
skullworks
01-18-12, 10:25
Just got an email from SKD advertising the 2 MOA T-1 with a DD mount for $658. They say they will have it in stock tomorrow. I think I'm going to wait to see what Grant comes up with. He has the 4 MOA T-1 with the DD mount for $589. Maybe he will do the same for the 2 MOA.
I don't know what the MSRP for the 4MOA T-1 is, but for the 2MOA it's $731 (including the standard rail mount), so there may be a limit to what Grant can do.
ColdDeadHands
01-18-12, 11:57
Aimpoint Micro T-1 (2 MOA) + FREE DD MICRO MOUNT $658
http://www.skdtac.com/Aimpoint-Micro-T-1-2-MOA-p/aim.312.htm
ColdDeadHands
01-18-12, 12:02
It's pretty bad if all these companies can come up with is zombie stuff.
Beat Trash
01-18-12, 12:58
It's pretty bad if all these companies can come up with is zombie stuff.
The Mall Ninja's of the world are seriously preparing for the upcoming 2012 apocalypse.
Beat Trash
01-18-12, 12:58
I'll pay $100 ea. for all unwanted 4 MOA T1's!
Just thought I'd throw that out there...:D
You're all heart!
ROUTEMICHIGAN
01-18-12, 13:16
I don't know what the MSRP for the 4MOA T-1 is, but for the 2MOA it's $731 (including the standard rail mount)....
WOW... pricey. It's more than the Comp M4s? I paid a little over $500 for my 4 MOA T-1 w/the Aimpoint LRP mount. Love it. I use the 7 or 8 power setting and I can't really see a difference with a 2 MOA Comp M3.
RAM Engineer
01-18-12, 16:42
I don't know what the MSRP for the 4MOA T-1 is, but for the 2MOA it's $731 (including the standard rail mount), so there may be a limit to what Grant can do.
MSRP for the 4 MOA version is $717, last I checked. Don't go apeshit over MSRPs. If you are paying that on anything, you're an idiot.
MSRP for the M4S is $860.
Noodles McGee
01-18-12, 18:02
This is great news for those wanting a 2 MOA micro. Not to mention all the folks that will get a good deal on used 4 MOA units as others convert.
Oh hell yeah! I live behind the curve of technology anyways.
The 4 minute dot is still smaller than the width of my front sight
If Bruce Campbell of Evil Dead/Army of Darkness fame were ever to wield an AK47 that would be it!
Except with the appropriate EoTech.
I never expected to see some of these companies jumping on the zombie bandwagon.
I haven't been to the aimpoint booth yet. I will have to get there tomorrow, id like to see it. That is good news.
Hunter Rose
01-18-12, 19:40
Except with the appropriate EoTech.
I never expected to see some of these companies jumping on the zombie bandwagon.
Ash don't need no aiming device for his boomstick!
Ash don't need no aiming device for his boomstick!
Especially not with that Gears of War chainsaw bayonet on the end of it.
skullworks
01-18-12, 20:10
Ash don't need no aiming device for his boomstick!
Hip shooting does have its benefits.
http://www.laruetactical.com/aimpoint-micro-t-1-2moam4-qd-mount-combo
jonconsiglio
01-19-12, 11:44
Ay other Aimpoint news beside the 2 MOA T1?
jdavis6576
01-19-12, 11:53
I just ordered the Larue combo for a new BCM middy I received last week. If this hadn't been released I would have purchased a 4 MOA like the one on my DDM4 but since it's available at the same price I thought I might as well get the 2 MOA.
Why do people like the 2 MOA dots? Tiny.
ForTehNguyen
01-19-12, 12:30
larger dots like the 4MOA on aimpoints flare on with my eyesight and its no longer a circle anymore.
Why do people like the 2 MOA dots? Tiny.
Better accuracy at distance.
C4
Better sight picture at distance.
I've ran 4 MOA aimpoints for years. I purchased a 2 MOA M4 off the EE a few weeks ago and the difference in zeroing, and the ease of hitting, on a 5.5 bull at 100 is night and day for me. And I'm getting no fall off in performance on running drills at 50 yds and in on the speed of the 2 MOA vs the 4.
I will absolutely be adding a 2 MOA T1. In my small world, that'll be the ultimate in reflex sight for my uses.
Before switching to the T-1 I ran an Eotech with a 1 MOA dot. I really really liked the size of that dot. So much so that I almost didn't make the switch. Now that the T-1 comes in a 2 MOA dot there is no chance that I will purchase another Eotech.
jdavis6576
01-20-12, 08:20
I placed my order yesterday with Larue only to receive an email from them today that it's back ordered with an expected delivery date of early next month. Makes me wonder if they ever had them in stock when they listed them for sale. Perhaps they had a few and didn't update their inventory online. Not the best customer service in my opinion but I'm not in a rush and have no plans to cancel my order and look elsewhere.
I placed my order yesterday with Larue only to receive an email from them today that it's back ordered with an expected delivery date of early next month. Makes me wonder if they ever had them in stock when they listed them for sale. Perhaps they had a few and didn't update their inventory online. Not the best customer service in my opinion but I'm not in a rush and have no plans to cancel my order and look elsewhere.
They never had them in stock. No one does.
C4
They never had them in stock. No one does.
Shucks, I'm a little sad now :sad: Guess I will just get myself a new Glock before I get myself a new Micro :laugh:
I placed my order yesterday with Larue only to receive an email from them today that it's back ordered with an expected delivery date of early next month. Makes me wonder if they ever had them in stock when they listed them for sale. Perhaps they had a few and didn't update their inventory online. Not the best customer service in my opinion but I'm not in a rush and have no plans to cancel my order and look elsewhere.
This is almost exactly what happened to me several years ago when I ordered my T1 in their QD mount. Except the part about notifying you. They just left me hanging for a couple weeks. I wouldn't have known if I hadn't called them to check on the order.
Were you able to "bloom" it on max setting in direct sunlight?
Indoors it would"bloom" on setting 12 (maximum). I had no opportunity to test the "blooming" outside.
Mike
For those excited about the 2 MOA dot, I bought an H1 and T1 in the last few months.
Say thank you.....
I'm surprised so many people like the 2 MOA dots. I have a hard enough time with the 4 MOA. Tried a buddy's PRO w/2 MOA and had to really look to find the dot. I'll stick with 4. :cool:
The 4 minute dot is still smaller than the width of my front sight
Agreed, 4moa for up close work is fine for me. 100yd shots with a T1 isn't on my agenda
Agreed, 4moa for up close work is fine for me. 100yd shots with a T1 isn't on my agenda
Even still 100 yds with a T1 4 MOA is not difficult.
And yes, I am trying to justify keeping my 4 MOA T-1.........
Eurodriver
01-21-12, 10:00
100yd shots with a T1 isn't on my agenda
It should be.
100yd shots with a T1 isn't on my agenda
It should be.
why is that?
Robb Jensen
01-21-12, 11:19
Food for thought, a 2moa Aimpoint won't help you if you're a 8/10/12+ moa shooter.
It's just like the guys who want a 2moa 1911, 99% them will never achieve that kind of accuracy in their lifetime.
Agreed, 4moa for up close work is fine for me. 100yd shots with a T1 isn't on my agenda
It's not that I don't plan to use my carbine at 100 yards or more (I will be shooting 100+) it's that the 4moa dot isn't that much of a hindrance. I have shot groups at 100 yards that are smaller than the width of the front sight
I have to qual at 100 with my rifles. I've always done so with the T1. I've also never failed to achieve a perfect score. And I've successfully done so against the 5.5" bull that Vicker's uses as the focal point for his accuracy foundation.
But once I got hold of an Aimpoint M4 with the 2 MOA I realized how much easier it was to do so.
So, yes, I routinely shoot at 100 for both work qual and in anticipation of maintaining a proper zero for an upcoming carbine class. Once I started zeroing to the 100 yd zero the entire course at work became a cake walk for me. Same goes for one of my main shooting friends from a neighboring agency.
Previously I had ran a 50 yd zero based on the recommendations of the dept. instructors. At that time we shot at 75 and 100 for "familiarization". Then a couple years back they started counting the hits at 75 and 100. But they still recommend the 50 yard zero. For that I have no explanation.
Since actually running a 2 MOA I have had no problems hitting at the same speed as I previously was with the 4 MOA. I can't understand why anyone would want to argue against a 2.
In my experience with this 2 = 4 when I need it to and has the benefit of running like a 2 when it best benefits a longer distance strike.
Even still 100 yds with a T1 4 MOA is not difficult.....
Absolutely. The group with a 2 MOA is just a little smaller for me.
My 14.5 GP gun will always wear a 4 MOA but I'll pick up a couple of the 2 MOA's from Grant for other builds, and maybe for a bolt action truck gun.
For those contemplating distances, especially professional gun carriers: Take a walk around various points that you may utilize a firearm at. Mark off distances from doors to counters, corners of buildings, distances across parking lots, lengths of yards and properties, etc. You would be surprised at how far apart some things are. Short: While 100yds is a statistically unlikely distance to be engaged at in self defense or LE work, it is nonetheless a very real distance you work within in the operational environment. I have hallways at my schools, and spaces of open fields that exceed that by a quite a stretch.
The difference between a 2 MOA dot and 4 MOA is most apparent under static, square-range shooting. In a lethal confrontation, you won't ever know the difference between the 2 MOA dot and the 4 MOA dot, as confrontational dynamics will turn you into a 8-10-12+ MOA shooter.
Few shooters who are going to buy the T1/H1 will be able to truly produce the 2 MOA difference between the models.
Let's be realistic.
Previously I had ran a 50 yd zero based on the recommendations of the dept. instructors. At that time we shot at 75 and 100 for "familiarization". Then a couple years back they started counting the hits at 75 and 100. But they still recommend the 50 yard zero. For that I have no explanation.
We've discussed and debated the merits of the zeros in other threads. The short version favoring the 50 is that it works for the overwhelming majority of folks using the guns. Perhaps more significantly, it is often the farthest distance that the LCD can reasonably be expected to shoot with sufficient accuracy/precision to determine where the gun is hitting.
jonconsiglio
01-21-12, 17:21
If someone can't make accurate hits at 100 or 200 yards (4 MOA ten shot groups, for example) with a 4 MOA Aimpoint, then there are much better things you can do with $600 than buy a slightly smaller red dot.
As long as I can hit a melon size target at 100, I am the giggles. If not quick release the dot and throw on the scope...
skullworks
01-24-12, 00:59
If not quick release the dot and throw on the scope...
Or use a mounting solution that allows you to transition from one to the other without adding or removing anything whilst bullets are flying.
I stopped by the range on the way home this evening and, proned out, at 100 I put 20 rounds consistently into a 5.5" black bull. Either 4 MOA or 2 MOA Aimpoint is easily capable of doing this. And I do it with both 2 and 4 routinely.
I did four five shot sets. Two off the magazine and two from higher up balanced on my elbows.
A 4moa dot is NO problem at all even at 600 yards.
The 2moa is more precise, no question about it.
At 600 yards Im making upper torso/headshots.
If you turn it down to setting 5 or 6 it is most definately manageable
A 4moa dot is NO problem at all even at 600 yards.
The 2moa is more precise, no question about it.
At 600 yards Im making upper torso/headshots.
If you turn it down to setting 5 or 6 it is most definately manageable
Since you are quite the photo/videographer I'd really like to see some videos of you making 600 yd headshots with a 4moa RDS. "A 4moa dot is NO problem at all even at 600 yards. " I seem to have a problem doing it and must be doing something wrong. Please advise with some video tutorial please...
A 4moa dot is NO problem at all even at 600 yards.
The 2moa is more precise, no question about it.
At 600 yards Im making upper torso/headshots.
If you turn it down to setting 5 or 6 it is most definately manageable
Having a hard time buying this at 600 yards with an unmagnified 4moa aimpoint also. Want to give you the benefit of the doubt, could you explain further?
Since you are quite the photo/videographer I'd really like to see some videos of you making 600 yd headshots with a 4moa RDS. "A 4moa dot is NO problem at all even at 600 yards. " I seem to have a problem doing it and must be doing something wrong. Please advise with some video tutorial please...
Not BCM however what I think he's trying to say that the target is able to be seen and be hit. Not really everytime but in a range session with enough rounds he can see it and when the round does what he wants he can hit it. Not sure if any of you get what im saying and its just my interpretation of his statement but its what I picked up.
I concluded that by the context of the conversation and because I understand the concept. I'll let him speak on his own behalf though.
out ==> http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XAP12417&name=Aimpoint+Micro+T-1+2MOA&groupid=6
out ==> http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XAP12417&name=Aimpoint+Micro+T-1+2MOA&groupid=6
OOOOOH I like it. Why so ... much... temptation.....
TacMedic556
03-04-12, 14:59
Larue Tactical has had them out for a while and gandrtactical as well. I got one from Larue with LE discount for $630 with LT660 mount and all the Larue goodies too. Can't beat that mount.
I got mine with the DD mount from G&R Tactical (Grant) for $589! Best price I've seen so far
Larue Tactical has had them out for a while and gandrtactical as well. I got one from Larue with LE discount for $630 with LT660 mount and all the Larue goodies too. Can't beat that mount.
That's the route I'm probably going to go. I have an H-1 w/Larue on one of my rifles, but one of my ARs needs a new optic. Got to love Aimpoint + Larue!
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