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Fr3EK
01-17-12, 22:37
Link to ACR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3TL5g_ox9s


Link to SCAR:

http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-scar-16s/24920-fn-release-scar-sbr-barrels-shot-3.html

I believe it starts on page 3, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Dirge
01-17-12, 23:12
We're now offering .223 barrels in 1/7 twist for our ACR! =D

...

I was this close to throwing my notebook across the room just now.

Oh Shrubmaster, only you can fail this hard.

Fr3EK
01-17-12, 23:26
...

I was this close to throwing my notebook across the room just now.

Oh Shrubmaster, only you can fail this hard.

I didn't even catch that until I went back and rewatched it lol. That is too damn funny lol.

bigdog2003_99
01-17-12, 23:40
lol just do what i did and make your own... then you can have whatever you want...

on tos they were saying that the 14.5" barrels are in stock at bushmaster but are 595.00

kwelz
01-18-12, 02:13
lol just do what i did and make your own... then you can have whatever you want...

on tos they were saying that the 14.5" barrels are in stock at bushmaster but are 595.00

It would be cheaper to buy a quality barrel and send it off to ADCO!

Only Shrubmaster could screw up this badly.

Alien
01-18-12, 02:33
...

I was this close to throwing my notebook across the room just now.

Oh Shrubmaster, only you can fail this hard.

He undoubtedly meant 5.56.

Personally I want a 300BLK barrel in an 11.5" length.

variablebinary
01-18-12, 02:59
Speaking about the SCAR, I'll believe it when I see it.

As for the ACR, I had no doubt that Bushmaster would sell barrels and kits, but why it took so damn long is anyone's guess...

Also, where the hell is the V2 ACR?

Eurodriver
01-18-12, 07:00
Only FN would release barrels before magazines.

rob_s
01-18-12, 07:03
Bushmaster still exists? I thought they were like Levis, a company in name only.

ETA:
It's true! He goes from being "Carlos with Bushmaster" to "Carlos with Remington" with nothing more than a fade out/in. I'm surprised they didn't have him change shirts.

Abraxas
01-18-12, 07:26
FN needs to get magazines for their 17's out first. Both companies fail

et2041
01-18-12, 07:58
Link to ACR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3TL5g_ox9s


Link to SCAR:

http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-scar-16s/24920-fn-release-scar-sbr-barrels-shot-3.html

I believe it starts on page 3, but correct me if I'm wrong.

Great news for the SCAR. I already had my 16 barrel chopped to 10" by Marvin Pitts. Now I would like a 16" spare.

QuietShootr
01-18-12, 09:02
I want a short FACTORY 17 barrel.

jonconsiglio
01-18-12, 09:46
I want a short FACTORY 17 barrel.

I do as well.

Eurodriver
01-18-12, 09:56
I want a short FACTORY 17 barrel.

That would be mint. I'm not sure if ill settle for a cut and threaded custom job with factory 16" barrels available yet

Todd.K
01-18-12, 11:50
It would be cheaper to buy a quality barrel and send it off to ADCO!

You thought an ACR barrel would be the same price as an AR barrel? What about the more complicated gas block, piston, piston guide, and QD barrel nut that come on the ACR barrel?

GRWolverineFan
01-18-12, 11:56
Bushmaster still exists? I thought they were like Levis, a company in name only.

ETA:
It's true! He goes from being "Carlos with Bushmaster" to "Carlos with Remington" with nothing more than a fade out/in. I'm surprised they didn't have him change shirts.

They could've at least had him wear a freedom group shirt so it wasn't so obvious.

Kafir
01-18-12, 12:02
They could've at least had him wear a freedom group shirt so it wasn't so obvious.

I find it funny as well...and you're right why not at least wear a parent company logo...how expensive are t-shirts to print up for the folks working the booth?

buddyhoohaw
01-18-12, 14:34
I want a short FACTORY 17 barrel.

Indeed, 13" CQC barrel would be great.

Cheers

Moltke
01-18-12, 15:00
Neat, new stuff for the SCAR. How about a new buttstock design?

chavez_e_chavez
01-18-12, 15:13
".223 barrels in 1/7 twist.":lazy2::lazy2::lazy2::lazy:: why did they wait so long??

padkeemow
01-18-12, 15:18
Neat, new stuff for the SCAR. How about a new buttstock design?

VLT0R has one in the works. Via their Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=326272124071670&set=a.111825728849645.10035.111696512195900&type=1&theater) page:

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/402427_326272124071670_111696512195900_1031068_1564510051_n.jpg

Fr3EK
01-18-12, 15:35
Yeah I saw that picture the other day somewhere and I am liking the rail, but didn't even notice the buttstock. I wonder if it will be stronger than the flimsy one they have now.

Moltke
01-18-12, 15:41
Something I never understood about the SCAR is that for a "flimsy" (for lack of a better word) buttstock, why is it so large and thick? Can't something be made that is slimmer or thinner but still has those functions? I'm glad something else is coming out but that VLTOR stock still looks pretty large.

Pale Horse
01-18-12, 22:11
".223 barrels in 1/7 twist.":lazy2::lazy2::lazy2::lazy:: why did they wait so long??

".223 barrels in 1/7 twist" I believe we will find out that the associate in question misspoke and that the barrels are in fact 5.56.

kwelz
01-18-12, 22:24
You thought an ACR barrel would be the same price as an AR barrel? What about the more complicated gas block, piston, piston guide, and QD barrel nut that come on the ACR barrel?

Your point is taken about the GP parts. However that price still seems really high.

charmcitycop
01-18-12, 23:07
......

Turnkey11
01-19-12, 19:36
Now if only we could get a 10" .300 blkout barrel for the SCAR...

QuietShootr
01-19-12, 19:41
VLT0R has one in the works. Via their Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=326272124071670&set=a.111825728849645.10035.111696512195900&type=1&theater) page:

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/402427_326272124071670_111696512195900_1031068_1564510051_n.jpg

I don't know about the stock, but I kind of like the handguard.

padkeemow
01-19-12, 19:44
Now if only we could get a 10" .300 blkout barrel for the SCAR...
HiDesertdog has a .300 Blackout SCAR (http://www.hi-desertdog.com/index.php?_a=product&product_id=765) in the works, but it's the whole rifle, and a 16" barrel. They said that it's not possible with the SCAR to just do a drop-in barrel replacement because the bolt carrier's weight has to be tuned in order to cycle reliably with .300 Blackout.

More info in this (http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-scar-16s/23840-first-scar-16-fde-300-aac-blackout.html) thread.

QuietShootr
01-19-12, 19:48
HiDesertdog has a .300 Blackout SCAR (http://www.hi-desertdog.com/index.php?_a=product&product_id=765) in the works, but it's the whole rifle, and a 16" barrel. They said that it's not possible with the SCAR to just do a drop-in barrel replacement because the bolt carrier's weight has to be tuned in order to cycle reliably with .300 Blackout.

More info in this (http://fnforum.net/forums/fn-scar-16s/23840-first-scar-16-fde-300-aac-blackout.html) thread.

Make that 10" and I might not be able to resist.

VIP3R 237
01-19-12, 22:06
Speaking about the SCAR, I'll believe it when I see it.

As for the ACR, I had no doubt that Bushmaster would sell barrels and kits, but why it took so damn long is anyone's guess...

Also, where the hell is the V2 ACR?

hopefully they follow after the new remington model and it is sexy, the remington guy at the shot show said it weighs in at 6lbs 3oz with a 14.5 barrel. The whole quality seems top notch. I asked about a commercial version and he said they're going to have to bring one out because of all the demand!

goteron
01-20-12, 07:24
I don't think we will see a RemDef ACR, but it did feel nice. I talked with the lancer guys, they will have SCAR-H mags. But they told me the recoil is destroying prototypes.....

I saw a press release for ACR barrels pre-shot, but nothing there.

Todd.K
01-20-12, 11:25
Now if only we could get a 10" .300 blkout barrel for the SCAR...

I don't think it's likely. The 300 BLK uses shorter gas systems than the 5.56 for SBR barrels. The carrier would probably have to be shortened to make the gas system shorter.

kwelz
01-20-12, 13:11
Looks like Remington managed to screw up their version of the ACR even worse then BM did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IAoLNdY7KQ&feature=channel_video_title

They are using weaker magnesium for th elower. No longer fold the stock and weakened the rail. The only thing they added that is nice is the folding CH.

And they got rid of the QD barrel. I can see that as not mattering to some people but overall it is a decrease in the quality of the rifle.

Abraxas
01-20-12, 13:29
Looks like Remington managed to screw up their version of the ACR even worse then BM did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IAoLNdY7KQ&feature=channel_video_title

They are using weaker magnesium for th elower. No longer fold the stock and weakened the rail. The only thing they added that is nice is the folding CH.

And they got rid of the QD barrel. I can see that as not mattering to some people but overall it is a decrease in the quality of the rifle.
The MASADA, the greatest rifle to NEVER happen

scottryan
01-20-12, 16:19
Looks like Remington managed to screw up their version of the ACR even worse then BM did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IAoLNdY7KQ&feature=channel_video_title

They are using weaker magnesium for th elower. No longer fold the stock and weakened the rail. The only thing they added that is nice is the folding CH.

And they got rid of the QD barrel. I can see that as not mattering to some people but overall it is a decrease in the quality of the rifle.


Absolutely correct.

The folding stock was one of the main reasons people wanted this gun.

iroquois pliskin
01-20-12, 20:28
Looks like Remington managed to screw up their version of the ACR even worse then BM did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IAoLNdY7KQ&feature=channel_video_title

They are using weaker magnesium for th elower. No longer fold the stock and weakened the rail. The only thing they added that is nice is the folding CH.

And they got rid of the QD barrel. I can see that as not mattering to some people but overall it is a decrease in the quality of the rifle.

What a text full of bullshit...

for the stock if you look behind on the bottom right you could see the same model but with the folding stock, plus the stock's are interchangables where is the problem ?

and from what source you've "know" that they are using weaker magnesium ? are they said it in the video or someone in remington or just simply from your imagination ?...

Oh and the QD barrels is only an option...






ps : it's no unusual to see now, magpul never revealing their futur products as they do before since people like you over-hype too much some stuff like the masada (at his times)...

ForTehNguyen
01-20-12, 21:42
Absolutely correct.

The folding stock was one of the main reasons people wanted this gun.

swap in a folding stock that you get from bushmaster, problem solved

kwelz
01-20-12, 22:21
Wtf?!? English as a second language?

First off yes if you watch the video you will see that they state they make the lower our of magnesium. And yes magnesium is weaker than aluminum. It is far more brittle which is a big problem with firearms.

As for the rest. They are cutting corners yet again. The folding stock was always a function people wanted.

Please point out one part of my post that was BS. They switched to a weaker metal for the lower. Removed the folding stock, and thinned out the rail. Each of these things was stated in the video. Or did you not bother to watch it before you trolled.



What a text full of bullshit...

for the stock if you look behind on the bottom right you could see the same model but with the folding stock, plus the stock's are interchangables where is the problem ?

and from what source you've "know" that they are using weaker magnesium ? are they said it in the video or someone in remington or just simply from your imagination ?...

Oh and the QD barrels is only an option...






ps : it's no unusual to see now, magpul never revealing their futur products as they do before since people like you over-hype too much some stuff like the masada (at his times)...

Alaskapopo
01-21-12, 02:52
Wtf?!? English as a second language?

First off yes if you watch the video you will see that they state they make the lower our of magnesium. And yes magnesium is weaker than aluminum. It is far more brittle which is a big problem with firearms.

As for the rest. They are cutting corners yet again. The folding stock was always a function people wanted.

Please point out one part of my post that was BS. They switched to a weaker metal for the lower. Removed the folding stock, and thinned out the rail. Each of these things was stated in the video. Or did you not bother to watch it before you trolled.

I would not worry about him he only has 3 posts. What you said is true.
pat

kwelz
01-21-12, 03:27
Good point. And in each case they were ACR threads. Interesting indeed.

outrider627
01-21-12, 04:16
What a text full of bullshit...


Thanks for summarizing your post in the first sentence.

outrider627
01-21-12, 04:35
Looks like Remington managed to screw up their version of the ACR even worse then BM did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IAoLNdY7KQ&feature=channel_video_title

They are using weaker magnesium for th elower. No longer fold the stock and weakened the rail. The only thing they added that is nice is the folding CH.

And they got rid of the QD barrel. I can see that as not mattering to some people but overall it is a decrease in the quality of the rifle.

Indeed Remington did remove some of the features that were the ACR's supposed advantages over the AR.

The stock really is a non issue because of the modular attachment method and it's current availability. If, and it's a big if, this ACR V2 is ever commercially released, I bet they will have multiple models with different stocks like there is now.

The QD barrel in reality was a gimmick. Sure it would make caliber changes, maintenance, and scheduled barrel replacement easier, but would it ever be used in a life or death situation? I don't think so. Not to mention that your zero most likely wouldn't carry over between barrels/calibers.

The complaints over the magnesium lower are a mystery to me. It's been known for a long time that Remington was going to use it and this is the first time I've heard about it being a bad idea. It can't be that bad of metal because it's been used for wheels in sports cars before and I've never heard of a problem. Is it really worse than aluminum or the polymer lower?

variablebinary
01-21-12, 06:53
The QD barrel in reality was a gimmick. Sure it would make caliber changes, maintenance, and scheduled barrel replacement easier, but would it ever be used in a life or death situation? I don't think so. Not to mention that your zero most likely wouldn't carry over between barrels/calibers.



QD barrels were never intended to be used while being shot at.

It's not a gimmick. It simplifies logistics, training and maintenance, but ups versatility and modular capabilities per weapon. It's the reason why the SCAR can easily play the role of M16/M4/M18, but not the other way around without carting around a full armorers bench, and multiple uppers, which takes far more time and energy.

The Bushmaster ACR QD barrel system was never going to be allowed onto a combat weapon, but the revised REMDEF model is more grunt proof.

variablebinary
01-21-12, 06:58
Also, REMDEF showed the V2 with a folding stock, so that feature is not dead.

http://www.acrforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2197&d=1326858188

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wngw23e_K8o/Txe5Hy2ANjI/AAAAAAAAAz0/i9Qmtmq65TU/s640/IMG_3026.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bmhcNwUIc4o/Txe5PoPBbDI/AAAAAAAAA0A/Fmzym0KKLVk/s912/IMG_3027.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-XLJoLkF4Ljo/Txe5QCcZKBI/AAAAAAAAA0E/YBcyQxFCHSE/s912/IMG_3028.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YxyEAt2UM9U/Txe5micuScI/AAAAAAAAA08/b4rbA5QzaS0/s912/IMG_3033.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UsZZARZjsM0/Txe6BrFVtFI/AAAAAAAAA14/xGRGz_i4ggM/s912/IMG_3039.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NjFcLvWbOK4/Txe7Z9_CXaI/AAAAAAAAA5Q/NOK1jmUa8e0/s912/IMG_3062.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9H_gLaE18lk/Txe7nMvWTaI/AAAAAAAAA5w/f28usDgrFA4/s912/IMG_3066.JPG

Todd.K
01-21-12, 10:44
without carting around a full armorers bench, OR multiple uppers, which takes far more time and energy.

Swapping uppers on an AR doesn't take an armorers bench and is less work than the SCAR barrel change. Add in the fact that I at least would want to zero the new barrel and optic before going out to the time and energy table.

In the end the QD barrel will be a plus for assembly, maintenance, the spec sheet, and a few select users, but if the cost and or weight is too much I'd be more interested in one without it.

Pale Horse
01-21-12, 11:12
Also, REMDEF showed the V2 with a folding stock, so that feature is not dead.

http://www.acrforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2197&d=1326858188

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wngw23e_K8o/Txe5Hy2ANjI/AAAAAAAAAz0/i9Qmtmq65TU/s640/IMG_3026.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bmhcNwUIc4o/Txe5PoPBbDI/AAAAAAAAA0A/Fmzym0KKLVk/s912/IMG_3027.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-XLJoLkF4Ljo/Txe5QCcZKBI/AAAAAAAAA0E/YBcyQxFCHSE/s912/IMG_3028.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YxyEAt2UM9U/Txe5micuScI/AAAAAAAAA08/b4rbA5QzaS0/s912/IMG_3033.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UsZZARZjsM0/Txe6BrFVtFI/AAAAAAAAA14/xGRGz_i4ggM/s912/IMG_3039.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NjFcLvWbOK4/Txe7Z9_CXaI/AAAAAAAAA5Q/NOK1jmUa8e0/s912/IMG_3062.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9H_gLaE18lk/Txe7nMvWTaI/AAAAAAAAA5w/f28usDgrFA4/s912/IMG_3066.JPG

The second photo is a Gen1 ACR, third photo is a Gen2 ACR with the folding stock, so yes it appears to be plug and play. Here's to hoping we get to see the Gen2 in some form down the track.

threeheadeddog
01-21-12, 17:07
I dont really think that anyone believed that the ACR would keep the barrel wrench mounted to the weapon.

I really just believe that since Remington is targeting Mil/LEO with this it makes more sence to have the "standard" ACR in the lightest configuration(like without folding stock) so that the tech specs look better on paper.

grunz
01-21-12, 17:43
I'm with Todd on this one - it's a lot faster and more reliable to just swap an upper with a zeroed optic allready on it. AR platform wins (again..)

Alaskapopo
01-21-12, 18:46
I'm with Todd on this one - it's a lot faster and more reliable to just swap an upper with a zeroed optic allready on it. AR platform wins (again..)

Simpler but a lot heavier. You might as well have another gun in the rack. That is simplier yet.
Pat

bigdog2003_99
01-21-12, 19:50
everything on the gen 1 acr and gen 2 acr is interchangeable including the trunion with the non qd barrel

Moltke
01-22-12, 19:12
You might as well have another gun in the rack.

Sounds like a great idea.

keller
01-23-12, 16:18
As the owner of a BM ACR I liked the Rem version I checked out. One I checked out was a SBR with folder, weight was much much better. That version with QD barrel feature would be a winner in my book. I met with Mr. Martinez and found him to be a good guy. Next time I talk to him Ill see if I can get some of the questions asked here answered.

Fairweather8588
01-23-12, 20:22
Did anything ever come of FN making an announcement about releasing barrels? Or is it just something that is still in the works to be released soon?

sinlessorrow
04-11-12, 23:13
Also, REMDEF showed the V2 with a folding stock, so that feature is not dead.

http://www.acrforum.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2197&d=1326858188

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wngw23e_K8o/Txe5Hy2ANjI/AAAAAAAAAz0/i9Qmtmq65TU/s640/IMG_3026.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bmhcNwUIc4o/Txe5PoPBbDI/AAAAAAAAA0A/Fmzym0KKLVk/s912/IMG_3027.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-XLJoLkF4Ljo/Txe5QCcZKBI/AAAAAAAAA0E/YBcyQxFCHSE/s912/IMG_3028.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YxyEAt2UM9U/Txe5micuScI/AAAAAAAAA08/b4rbA5QzaS0/s912/IMG_3033.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UsZZARZjsM0/Txe6BrFVtFI/AAAAAAAAA14/xGRGz_i4ggM/s912/IMG_3039.JPG

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NjFcLvWbOK4/Txe7Z9_CXaI/AAAAAAAAA5Q/NOK1jmUa8e0/s912/IMG_3062.JPG

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9H_gLaE18lk/Txe7nMvWTaI/AAAAAAAAA5w/f28usDgrFA4/s912/IMG_3066.JPG

Remington has stated they will only give bushmaster the V2 stuff if it gets accepted as the Army's next carbine

WFO
04-12-12, 01:32
FWIW-the wheels on F/A-18s (and many other military aircraft) are made of magnesium and they take a beating.

**SGT,USMC,VMFA-323 Airframes**

:moil:

Spikele
01-11-13, 00:56
I wonder what they'll be showing this year if anything.

Turnkey11
01-26-13, 20:00
FN needs to get magazines for their 17's out first. Both companies fail

I picked up 15 last year for around $30 each, shipped. My backorder was maybe 2 weeks, OMB came through fast.