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S&W is doing things right. This and VTAC rifles.
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product4_750001_750051_802553_-1_757784_757784_757784_ProductDisplayErrorView_Y
saddlerocker
01-17-12, 23:45
Is the barrel fluted, or is it just the picture?
Its interesting that they are going with the 1:8" twist 5R Melonited barrel like the M&P Sport
Glad they have a mid-length, but not something id be interested in overall.
I wonder what the left side of the lower looks like.
Do they have a carbine length version coming?
Is the barrel fluted, or is it just the picture?
Its interesting that they are going with the 1:8" twist 5R Melonited barrel like the M&P Sport
Glad they have a mid-length, but not something id be interested in overall.
It is just the lighting on the barrel... it's not fluted.
I think there's alot to like as a package if you're just starting out.
Dionysusigma
01-18-12, 07:49
If you take a look in the Custom Build subforum here, you'll see a lot of people (myself included*) completing builds in more-or-less this exact same configuration.
Apparently S&W is paying attention to not just what people say they want, but also what end result the user actually goes with. Good on them. :)
* The major differences between my setup and S&W's is mine has an A5 buffer/RE and DD 1.5 rear sight, basically a DI version of LWRC's M6-SL.
ForTehNguyen
01-18-12, 09:17
interesting, comes with Magpul Dynamics Carbine 1 and 2
I'm kind of curious why no one has commented on the magpul marked lower receiver yet. Those used to sell for $3k...
Jay Cunningham
01-18-12, 09:23
I was unaware that the mid length gas system made the rifle inherently more accurate.
I learn something new every day.
Is the barrel fluted, or is it just the picture?
Its interesting that they are going with the 1:8" twist 5R Melonited barrel like the M&P Sport
Glad they have a mid-length, but not something id be interested in overall.
Not fluted. Pencil.
This is a fantastic gun and the lower (with the flared magwell) is one of the best I have seen!
C4
I wonder what the left side of the lower looks like.
It says Magpul.
C4
Failure2Stop
01-18-12, 09:28
I was unaware that the mid length gas system made the rifle inherently more accurate.
I learn something new every day.
No kidding ;)
Why can't we all just be honest about these things?
Seems to reduce recoil and wear, but we won't know for sure for some time and after some extensive testing that I don't foresee anyone paying for.
It says Magpul.
C4
You had me at "Magpul".
Failure2Stop
01-18-12, 09:33
This is a fantastic gun and the lower (with the flared magwell) is one of the best I have seen!
That's good to hear, raises my interest, especially in the lower.
Any idea if there is any plan to release them as other than a complete carbine?
Alright, maybe I'm behind the curve. What's a "Finger shelf"? Is the trigger guard wider at the rear?
Are the lowers forgings?
That is pretty darned neat.
Also, the price point is pretty slick. Are we guessing around 1000 actual retail price when these hit the market?
Thats a damn nice looking gun. And s&w is also saying its a 4150 cmv vs 4140 in the previous years. Hopefully they have a model on display at SHOT so I can fondle it tomorrow while im there.
Are the lowers forgings?
That is pretty darned neat.
Also, the price point is pretty slick. Are we guessing around 1000 actual retail price when these hit the market?
From the description: •Official Smith & Wesson/Magpul® Co-Branded, Forged Lower Design
It says Magpul.
C4
The other side...would it not have S&W's info...serial number...model number...etc?
Since it's Official Smith & Wesson/Magpul® Co-Branded would they (S&W) not want their info on it as well?
Eurodriver
01-18-12, 11:06
Who here still buys complete rifles?
Not fluted. Pencil.
This is a fantastic gun and the lower (with the flared magwell) is one of the best I have seen!
C4
How would you compare it to bcm?
When will you get them in stock?
Will you have the lowers available separately?
Grant, do you know if these are over gassed like some of S&W other models? Thanks.
I was unaware that the mid length gas system made the rifle inherently more accurate.
I learn something new every day.
I think they are refering to the longer sight radius of the irons vs the carbine length system, which is technically true. Still they could have worded it better.
I think they are refering to the longer sight radius of the irons vs the carbine length system, which is technically true. Still they could have worded it better.
What does sight radius do for accuracy?
Dammit.... Was just at the KC gun show and fondled all the magpul furniture, I saw. From the pics I wasnt a fan, but when I got my hands on it I decided I really liked it. Then you add in the DVDs I had already planned to buy and this looks like an awesome deal for my next AR if the street price is right.
Grant if you can PM pricing and possible preorder info I think I know where my tax return is going. :)
Slap an Aimpoint pro on there and it should be a great range gun.
Heavy Metal
01-18-12, 14:37
Grant,
Will there be a choice on furniture color?
This looks like a sweet rifle. Only thing that would make it sweeter would be that rifle in a pencil-dissy config.
Smith's website has it in tan as well and has the gen 2 VTAC rifle.
SpookyPistolero
01-18-12, 15:02
Castle nut and gas key staking? Feed ramps? HP/MP testing?
What does sight radius do for accuracy?
Essentially the farther away the front sight post is from the rear sight the more precise you are able to align the two, thus allowing you more accuracy. It doesn't make the "rifle" more accurate per say but it does allow the shooter to make more accurate shots. This is a moot point however, if the shooter is not using iron sights.
Essentially the farther away the front sight post is from the rear sight the more precise you are able to align the two, thus allowing you more accuracy. It doesn't make the "rifle" more accurate per say but it does allow the shooter to make more accurate shots. This is a moot point however, if the shooter is not using iron sights.
It was rhetorical... But it does nothing for accuracy, at all.
Looks nice, what FH are they running dose not look like a A2?
i dont know what fh is on that thing but it looks like its 4 inches long.
Who here still buys complete rifles?
I'd buy the Rainier RUC in a heartbeat.
Castle nut and gas key staking? Feed ramps? HP/MP testing?
Would like to know this as well.
Interesting. The reciever looks very "Larue-ish". I hope it sells well. I may be tempted to sell off my regular flavor M&P 15 (for a loss no doubt) with its 1:9 barrel and pick one of these up. Magpul will enhance S&W in the AR market by a significant factor IMO.
This rifle looks sweet and a pretty good deal considering what you are getting. As far as Castle nut and gas key staking? Feed ramps? HP/MP testing? I purchased a S&W M&P 15T and that was all done correctly, the bolt was marked MP and that was last year so I would imagine they wouldn't skimp on that. Seems like they are finally taking notice to what needs to be done properly.
This rifle looks sweet and a pretty good deal considering what you are getting. As far as Castle nut and gas key staking? Feed ramps? HP/MP testing? I purchased a S&W M&P 15T and that was all done correctly, the bolt was marked MP and that was last year so I would imagine they wouldn't skimp on that. Seems like they are finally taking notice to what needs to be done properly.
While they seem to have their shortcomings, I believe that S&W has been providing proper staking and MPI/HPT BCGs for quite some time now. I know quite a few people with newer M&Ps, and aside from the 1/9 4140 barrels they seem to pass muster. I really want to see some testing on their 5R 1/8 barrels.
I'd pay extra for a "China Doll" version... ;)
You had me at "Magpul".
You and a bunch of others. ;)
C4
That's good to hear, raises my interest, especially in the lower.
Any idea if there is any plan to release them as other than a complete carbine?
I am going to request stripped lowers, complete lowers and complete upper.
C4
Are the lowers forgings?
That is pretty darned neat.
Also, the price point is pretty slick. Are we guessing around 1000 actual retail price when these hit the market?
I am pretty sure they are.
C4
The other side...would it not have S&W's info...serial number...model number...etc?
Since it's Official Smith & Wesson/Magpul® Co-Branded would they (S&W) not want their info on it as well?
Correct. One side says S&W and the other side says Magpul.
C4
Its nice to see manufacturers listening to the public interest and not just LEO/Military applications only.
A factory S&W SBR with this setup would be neat too.
How would you compare it to bcm?
When will you get them in stock?
Will you have the lowers available separately?
Personal opinion, I like flared magwells (Noveske, HK, DD, etc). So that is a plus to me.
I like the barrel material, twist rate and the finish they used. Do I think it is a BCM? No. Is it getting pretty close? Yes.
I will be ordering them tomorrow and will attempt to get an ETA.
C4
Grant, do you know if these are over gassed like some of S&W other models? Thanks.
Good question. I have asked for the GP size so i can determine if it is over gassed or not.
C4
Grant,
Will there be a choice on furniture color?
This looks like a sweet rifle. Only thing that would make it sweeter would be that rifle in a pencil-dissy config.
Yes. FDE and Black.
C4
Castle nut and gas key staking? Feed ramps? HP/MP testing?
Yes on the staked CN/GK and M4 feed ramps. In the past, they were having their bolt batch HPT/MPI and might even do everyone.
If they are still buying BCG's from the place I think, they are very good.
C4
Looks nice, what FH are they running dose not look like a A2?
To be honest, I am not sure what it is, but it isn't an A2.
If people want an A2 installed, we can do that for free.
C4
ForTehNguyen
01-19-12, 13:22
from:
http://www.weaponevolution.com/forum/showthread.php?3610-S-amp-W-M-amp-P-Magpul-Mid-length
http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww189/wjt1169/SHOT2012-S-W-Magpul-M-P15/SW-MagpulMid-both-1500-B3.jpg
http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww189/wjt1169/SHOT2012-S-W-Magpul-M-P15/SW-Magpullower01-1500-B3.jpg
http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww189/wjt1169/SHOT2012-S-W-Magpul-M-P15/SW-muzzeldevice01-1500-B3.jpg
Looks pretty slick. S&W looks to be stepping it up a notch with these.
StevieJ309
01-19-12, 15:34
Might have to pick up a lower depending on price.
nineteenkilo
01-19-12, 15:54
I like a lot of what I see. Methinks I will order one Grant. I would like to see just a tad of credible user feedback from the range as well - when available.
Looking at the lower and seeing that shelf on the LH side, will it work with the BAD lever?
Played with them today, seems like s&w is headed in the right direction. That lower is pretty sweet, I really like the serrations they put on the front on the magwell. Interesting flash hider also, its freaking long though, supposedly it diminishes flash better than an a2 while directing gasses and sound forward and away from the shooter.
I'd buy the Rainier RUC in a heartbeat.
I thought the same thing but now that the price is up to $1500 maybe not. I'm on the list to put in an order for one but after seeing this and the VTAC 2 Im thinking my dollars might be back out on the market. I'm very curious about the barrel specifically looks like it could be a real winner.
I thought the same thing but now that the price is up to $1500 maybe not. I'm on the list to put in an order for one but after seeing this and the VTAC 2 Im thinking my dollars might be back out on the market. I'm very curious about the barrel specifically looks like it could be a real winner.
Wow, they raised the price $200, that really draws from the appeal. :(
I agree with you now.
ForTehNguyen
01-20-12, 08:47
still says $1259 MSRP on the original link :confused:
The RUC is $1500 not the MOE.
ForTehNguyen
01-20-12, 09:21
http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww189/wjt1169/SHOT2012-S-W-Magpul-M-P15/SW-MagpulMP15-leftside01-1500-B3.jpg
http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww189/wjt1169/SHOT2012-S-W-Magpul-M-P15/SW-MagpulMP15-leftcu01-1500-B3.jpg
NoveskeFan
01-27-12, 16:26
Grant,
Any update on if the lower will be available separately, price?
Moose-Knuckle
01-27-12, 17:44
S&W is offering a MOE middy for $1259.00. . .
OR. . .
right now on Grant's site G&R Tactical (http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=MID-750-LWC) you can get a BCM 16" Lightweight or standard Mid-Length Rifle w/ Magpul MOE mid-length HGs, MOE pistol grip, MOE stock, and MBUS gen2 for $1138.00.
And that's probably the better option but the previous Magpul s&w's had the same msrp and were under a grand street price iirc.
This would be all I ever needed...
My concern would be if the BAD lever is still usable with that little finger shelf on the left side.
My concern would be if the BAD lever is still usable with that little finger shelf on the left side.
THIS is what I've been asking about. I really like the MP/S&W receiver but if the BAD lever won't work then it's a no-go.
S&W is offering a MOE middy for $1259.00. . .
OR. . .
right now on Grant's site G&R Tactical (http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=MID-750-LWC) you can get a BCM 16" Lightweight or standard Mid-Length Rifle w/ Magpul MOE mid-length HGs, MOE pistol grip, MOE stock, and MBUS gen2 for $1138.00.
The S&W M&P15 MOE (old version) sells for $1249 MSRP on smith-wesson.com ... and for $950 at quanticotactical.com, $850 if you're .mil/LE. I doubt the Magpul spec rifles will go for $850, but there's a good possibility that they'll actually sell for a lot less than MSRP, just like every other S&W product. I just got a new M&P pro (long slide) for $405 + shipping from quantico, MSRP is $669. I'd imagine websites like quantico (and maybe G&R!) will sell the Magpul spec rifles for about $1000 before .mil/LE rebate. And hopefully Grant gets some stripped lowers too!
http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww189/wjt1169/SHOT2012-S-W-Magpul-M-P15/SW-MagpulMP15-leftcu01-1500-B3.jpg
Thanks for the pic...was curious on the roll marks on the left side.
Commercial....Drake only says "original Magpul billet lower" once...and never says "China Doll"...
http://youtu.be/Q34TsI3Xfzs
I am going to request stripped lowers, complete lowers and complete upper.
C4
I hope that lower eventually can be purchased separately so a BCM or DD upper could be used. Back in 2009 I bought an M&P-15 stripped lower (standard trigger guard of course) and it's one of the best lowers I've ever seen. Nicely flared magwell and smoothly finished - I'd expect similar quality from this new one. I hope the upper is high quality, it would be great to add S&W to the top tier!
Moose-Knuckle
01-28-12, 16:03
The S&W M&P15 MOE (old version) sells for $1249 MSRP on smith-wesson.com ... and for $950 at quanticotactical.com, $850 if you're .mil/LE. I doubt the Magpul spec rifles will go for $850, but there's a good possibility that they'll actually sell for a lot less than MSRP, just like every other S&W product. I just got a new M&P pro (long slide) for $405 + shipping from quantico, MSRP is $669. I'd imagine websites like quantico (and maybe G&R!) will sell the Magpul spec rifles for about $1000 before .mil/LE rebate. And hopefully Grant gets some stripped lowers too!
I have found the most inexpensive way to purchase an AR is buy the lower seperate from the upper. I have completed two ARs, one DD and BCM this way. Both have factory assembled lowers and uppers that I acquired from G&R and AIM Surplus.
It has been my experiance that when a product like the S&W/Magpul middy come out they will actually go for higher than the MSRP at gun shops and gun shows. But you sound like you know what your doing and with a LEO/MIL discount or rebate you might come out on top.
One has to shop around and look at things from all angles to get "the best" deal. :cool:
I have found the most inexpensive way to purchase an AR is buy the lower seperate from the upper. I have completed two ARs, one DD and BCM this way. Both have factory assembled lowers and uppers that I acquired from G&R and AIM Surplus.
It has been my experiance that when a product like the S&W/Magpul middy come out they will actually go for higher than the MSRP at gun shops and gun shows. But you sound like you know what your doing and with a LEO/MIL discount or rebate you might come out on top.
One has to shop around and look at things from all angles to get "the best" deal. :cool:
Unless buying used, I've found that it's always cheaper to buy online, even when you include shipping and a FFL transfer fee for the lower receiver. Gun shows almost without fail sell everything over MSRP. I guess they expect you to haggle? Gun shops also sell everything over MSRP or exactly at MSRP, but I've personally never seen a brick & mortar shop with a great deal on any firearm.
Robb Jensen
01-28-12, 20:32
I was unaware that the mid length gas system made the rifle inherently more accurate.
I learn something new every day.
Longer sight radius, same reason why it's easier to accurately shoot a 20" AR with irons vs. a 16" CAR gas AR with irons at 200yds.
To be honest, I am not sure what it is, but it isn't an A2.
If people want an A2 installed, we can do that for free.
C4
The muzzle device is made by S&W and is a combo FH & comp.
Longer sight radius, same reason why it's easier to accurately shoot a 20" AR with irons vs. a 16" CAR gas AR with irons at 200yds.
Not to get into semantics Robb, but I think Jay meant that a 16" middie is not more accurate than a 16" carbine just because of the gas system. As you said, the sight radius helps the user shoot more accurately, but if you put an optic on it or long freefloat rails with the same sight radius, there should be no difference.
People saying that a middie is more accurate, is somewhat misleading in my mind.
Not to get into semantics Robb, but I think Jay meant that a 16" middie is not more accurate than a 16" carbine just because of the gas system. As you said, the sight radius helps the user shoot more accurately, but if you put an optic on it or long freefloat rails with the same sight radius, there should be no difference.
Thank you, this is what I was trying to explain earlier.
lethal dose
01-29-12, 07:29
i think the colt 6920mp would be a better (more appropriately priced) option for the magpul fanboys. why the lack of chrome lining on the s&w? it'd be nice to see the lower released without the magpul markings.
i think the colt 6920mp would be a better (more appropriately priced) option for the magpul fanboys. why the lack of chrome lining on the s&w? it'd be nice to see the lower released without the magpul markings.
Wouldn't one lose the Magpul-ish lower with the Colt option? Isn't the lower on the S&W what people are excited about in the first place?
ForTehNguyen
01-29-12, 10:26
its not chrome lined because its melonited
Robb Jensen
01-29-12, 11:05
Not to get into semantics Robb, but I think Jay meant that a 16" middie is not more accurate than a 16" carbine just because of the gas system. As you said, the sight radius helps the user shoot more accurately, but if you put an optic on it or long freefloat rails with the same sight radius, there should be no difference.
People saying that a middie is more accurate, is somewhat misleading in my mind.
Sure they could have worded it differently but it would have even confused more people, let alone 'gun people'. Match "Triggers" help with accuracy too, not that rifle is any more accurate but it just easier to shoot more accurately.
lethal dose
01-29-12, 11:11
its not chrome lined because its melonited
Any advantage over CL?
lethal dose
01-29-12, 11:15
Wouldn't one lose the Magpul-ish lower with the Colt option? Isn't the lower on the S&W what people are excited about in the first place?
Sure, but the ONLY advantage I see in this lower is the flared magwell.
Sure, but the ONLY advantage I see in this lower is the flared magwell.
Agreed. The lower was what piqued my interest when I first saw it.
Any advantage over CL?
Yes (in theory). There are also downsides though (if certain things are not done prior).
C4
lethal dose
01-29-12, 16:01
Yes (in theory). There are also downsides though (if certain things are not done prior).
C4
...Go on... do tell. I'm unfamiliar.
...Go on... do tell. I'm unfamiliar.
Melonite (which goes by many names) penetrates the metal and should last longer than chrome, slow down erosion (GP, etc) and increase FPS.
With that said, if the barrel is NOT either polished or shot BEFORE melonite, you can basically make the burrs in the barrel pretty permanent (where as they would normally be removed or covered with chrome or shooting).
We just had two BCM SS barrels done. I will be testing some theories soon. If I am right, you could basically get the accuracy of a SS barrel without any of the wear issues normally associated with SS barrels.
C4
lethal dose
01-29-12, 17:17
Very cool. I assume you'll be getting the low down on their mfg process? I'd be down for an upper, granted it's done right. Not too interested in the magpul lower, atp.
Very cool. I assume you'll be getting the low down on their mfg process? I'd be down for an upper, granted it's done right. Not too interested in the magpul lower, atp.
I think S&W is aware of the possible issues with the Melonite process. ;)
C4
We just had two BCM SS barrels done. I will be testing some theories soon. If I am right, you could basically get the accuracy of a SS barrel without any of the wear issues normally associated with SS barrels.
C4
If your theories turn out to be correct, would this make the somewhat controversial issue of barrel break-in procedures moot for SS barrels?
Apologies for the slight derail.
Robb Jensen
01-29-12, 18:46
If your theories turn out to be correct, would this make the somewhat controversial issue of barrel break-in procedures moot for SS barrels?
Apologies for the slight derail.
Not really. "Break in" is what some do like worshipping pig blood cleaning after each round for 50 rounds or so. Shooting a barrel is best or hand lapping. Barrels usually shoot in meaning the shoot their very best groups say in the barrels life after 500 rounds but before 2000 rounds. Just like like the cylinders in an engine, they seal best after the first 3000 miles or so. Doesn't mean you need to worship a goat over them and change oil every 100 miles.
Melonite (which goes by many names) penetrates the metal and should last longer than chrome, slow down erosion (GP, etc) and increase FPS.
With that said, if the barrel is NOT either polished or shot BEFORE melonite, you can basically make the burrs in the barrel pretty permanent (where as they would normally be removed or covered with chrome or shooting).
We just had two BCM SS barrels done. I will be testing some theories soon. If I am right, you could basically get the accuracy of a SS barrel without any of the wear issues normally associated with SS barrels.
C4
Grant if you could please keep us/ me informed of the results of this as it is exactly the way I would like to go with my next rifle.
Grant if you could please keep us/ me informed of the results of this as it is exactly the way I would like to go with my next rifle.
I will be building a new rifle around this barrel. I will post all kinds of info. ;)
C4
I will be building a new rifle around this barrel. I will post all kinds of info. ;)
C4
Time frame? I'm looking to purchase in the next 2 months. Thanks
Josh
Time frame? I'm looking to purchase in the next 2 months. Thanks
Josh
Barrel and GB's are in hand. Waiting on the Lancer carbon fiber HG and their new forged lower that I ordered at shot to come in before I can start the build. Don't really know for certain, but hopefully soon.
C4
Barrel and GB's are in hand. Waiting on the Lancer carbon fiber HG and their new forged lower that I ordered at shot to come in before I can start the build. Don't really know for certain, but hopefully soon.
C4
Thanks for the quick reply and can't wait to see what you come up with.
This is a sweet gun. I checked one out today at local gun store. They got in a dark earth one while I was there. I'm gonna have them order me a black one as I wasn't to crazy about the dark earth. It was total $1075 out the door. Cant wait to get it. It will be my first AR-15 was gonna get the Sport till I ran across this. NICE is all I have to say.
That's exciting to hear since I'm thinking that the VTAC version is likely to be in my final 3 rifles to chose between. So hopefully they will be out soon as well. Once you get yours please do report back on the accuracy of the barrel and reliability of the platform.
Josh
I am going to request stripped lowers, complete lowers and complete upper.
C4
Any word back from S&W?
For that sticker I would rather buy a Colt SP6920MP for under $1200.
For that sticker I would rather buy a Colt SP6920MP for under $1200.
I would love to buy a colt but all that I have seen are carbine gas and one of my first desires is for it to be midlength.
Grant,
Any update on the Smith midlength??
Thanks!
Grant,
Any update on the Smith midlength??
Thanks!
Nothing at this time.
C4
Grant, any update on these? Will they sell these lowers stripped? Seems like the best lower out there, along with the Noveske Gen II.
One of my friends bought a s&w middy a couple months ago and it been pretty awesome. He's put it through a couple classes and its been malfunction free sofar.
Here is a couple of pics after some upgrades and messing around with some nail polish for color fill.
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u440/Jason_Prisbrey/IMG_20120605_171211.jpg
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u440/Jason_Prisbrey/IMG_20120605_171224.jpg
Those magpul lowers would be a great seller on there own. I'm definitely interested in a stripped or completed one, S&W roll marked or not.
MilesVeritatis
10-09-12, 18:48
For the people who asked/were wondering, the BAD lever does not work with this lower. The finger shelf doesn't let the follower lock the bolt on the last round with the lever installed. My only dislike with the lower, I wish they would have just put the finger shelf on the right side.
It's a nice looking rifle but I wish Sig would sell a stripped Model 400 lower. I do like the thinner barrel and midlength gasblock. kwg
For the people who asked/were wondering, the BAD lever does not work with this lower. The finger shelf doesn't let the follower lock the bolt on the last round with the lever installed. My only dislike with the lower, I wish they would have just put the finger shelf on the right side.
Same with the Troy Ambi mag release, it is not compatible.
I am going to request stripped lowers, complete lowers and complete upper.
C4
Any update on these? Thanks.
I still want more testing of the melonite.
Any update on these? Thanks.
Don't think it is going to happen. The good news though is that I have 100 of these rifles coming Dec-Jan.
C4
The good news though is that I have 100 of these rifles coming Dec-Jan.C4
Excellent!
NoveskeFan
11-24-12, 08:55
Don't think it is going to happen. The good news though is that I have 100 of these rifles coming Dec-Jan.
C4
Do you have a sell price already figured? If their listed on your site, sorry for the question.
Do you have a sell price already figured? If their listed on your site, sorry for the question.
Not yet, but my guess is that the prices will be very good.
C4
Don't think it is going to happen. The good news though is that I have 100 of these rifles coming Dec-Jan.
C4
M&P pistols coming too?
PHATSPEED7X
11-24-12, 14:04
Local dealer has one of these rifles in stock. Has the FDE magpul goodies on it. He is asking $1199.00 for them. I thought that wasn't too bad of a price.
The magpul lower is pretty sweet looking. Sad to read that the BAD lever doesn't work on them... I personally would of thought the rifle would of came with one already installed.
JBecker 72
11-24-12, 14:20
Wow, I want to buy one of these and sell the upper separately just for that lower. Very cool!
SpookyPistolero
11-24-12, 15:24
I didn't see much more info on their website or via google. And I don't really feel like reading 6 pages of thread, haha. But does anyone know more about these regarding QC? HP, MPI bolts and barrels? Seems like a lot of scratch when a Magpul'd-out 6920 is about the same price. If they were 800-900 it would be a little bit different.
Redbeardsong
11-24-12, 20:09
Clyde armory has some of these in stock. It's a great rifle. I've been really tempted to snag one.
Littlelebowski
11-24-12, 20:56
Not really. "Break in" is what some do like worshipping pig blood cleaning after each round for 50 rounds or so. Shooting a barrel is best or hand lapping. Barrels usually shoot in meaning the shoot their very best groups say in the barrels life after 500 rounds but before 2000 rounds. Just like like the cylinders in an engine, they seal best after the first 3000 miles or so. Doesn't mean you need to worship a goat over them and change oil every 100 miles.
Well said.
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Local dealer has one of these rifles in stock. Has the FDE magpul goodies on it. He is asking $1199.00 for them. I thought that wasn't too bad of a price.
The magpul lower is pretty sweet looking. Sad to read that the BAD lever doesn't work on them... I personally would of thought the rifle would of came with one already installed.
IMHO, it is a good thing that a BAD lever doesn't come with it.
C4
I didn't see much more info on their website or via google. And I don't really feel like reading 6 pages of thread, haha. But does anyone know more about these regarding QC? HP, MPI bolts and barrels? Seems like a lot of scratch when a Magpul'd-out 6920 is about the same price. If they were 800-900 it would be a little bit different.
I believe that their Bolts are batch HP/MPI. Don't know about their barrels.
This gun is excellent and features one of the best lowers out there IMHO. $1200 is a high and this gun should sell closer to $1050-$1100.
C4
Heavy Metal
11-25-12, 10:52
Grant, will there be any color options on the furniture?
Grant, will there be any color options on the furniture?
Just black and FDE.
C4
IMHO, it is a good thing that a BAD lever doesn't come with it.
C4
Why is that?
Well I'm new to AR's but if I may try to take a stab at this. Correct me if I'm wrong...
I bought a BAD lever and installed it on my DDV1 and the next day I went to the range. For starters I did not like the fact that something else was near my trigger and also in my trigger guard besides my trigger... Second, I have taken 2 combat/general AR classes and when we were going over malfunction drills I did not have the BAD lever on my AR so while I was at the range practicing malfunction drills I was doing so using the BAD lever. It then dawned on me that I could potentially be teaching myself a bad (no pun intended) habit, unless in the future I put the BAD lever on all of my AR's, but still this is not what I have been taught and I then thought to myself that this little while neat device could potentially fail, and I would be screwed if I had formulated a habit using it.
The last thing that hit me was that if I were to bring my AR with the BAD lever installed to one of my classes that I most likely would be asked to take it off.
I also did not like how it has a bit of wiggle to the lever. So in all while I think that the BAD lever is neat, I do not think it will benefit me in the long run and one day or if ever my life depends on the usage of my AR I want to use the same training across the board from start to finish. Also again for me nothing in the trigger guard but the trigger. Keep it simple. BAD lever was put on for 2 days 1 range session and taken off.... Where it will stay...These are just my reasonings for feeling that the BAD lever has no place on my AR and most likely the reason it's not on this one..
This seems like a really nice rifle. I noticed a lot of nice rifles around 1k or less out now. When I bought mine not long ago it seemed like I had to go with a colt 6920 or something in the 1400 range.
I picked up one of these for $1099. The Magpul branded lower, 1:8 4150 CMV Melonite lightweight barrel, and the proprietary S&W muzzle device were interesting. Surely not "mil-spec", but it's not a naked bore. BCG is SA and buffer is not H-stamped for those that care about such things.
This is my first foray into LW barrels and I'm pleased with the balance. Unless it's a dedicated medium or match contour barrel, I can't see the benefit of Govt profile under the handguards and standard contour starting from the gas block forward.
Ut Oh not mil-spec you better get rid of it haha.
Ut Oh not mil-spec you better get rid of it haha.
Which is why the S&W is typically not considered to be in the same league as a Colt, DD, or BCM.... Regardless, at least the S&W is making quality rifles which is more than I can say for your Rock River, Bushmaster, DPMS, or whatever you own. Nobody said you cannot stray from mil-spec but junk commercial brands don't even come close to meeting mil-spec as a standard.
Try again.
Yeah I am glad I went with the 1400 dollar option. The 700 dollar troy my BIL just got tho seemed like a bargain and it suppose to be milspec but I have not checked it out.
Why is that?
It usually causes more problems then it fixes.
C4
Grant,
Is the S&W- 16", 1/8 5R Rifling 4150 CMV Melonite barrel (minus the S&W flash hider) available for individual purchase at this time?
lethal dose
11-25-12, 16:39
Ut Oh not mil-spec you better get rid of it haha.
No, s&w does three things other lower tier AR mfgs do not:
1) price their product appropriately
2) assemble their product appropriately
3) stand behind their product unconditionally with THE BEST customer service in the industry.
Grant,
Is the S&W- 16", 1/8 5R Rifling 4150 CMV Melonite barrel (minus the S&W flash hider) available for individual purchase at this time?
No. December I think.
C4
Good question. I have asked for the GP size so i can determine if it is over gassed or not.
C4
Any word on the GP size?
Any word on the GP size?
I have never heard or been able to measure it.
C4
SomeOtherGuy
11-30-12, 10:28
Grant,
Is the S&W- 16", 1/8 5R Rifling 4150 CMV Melonite barrel (minus the S&W flash hider) available for individual purchase at this time?
The barrel below has the same specs and is basically the same profile. I remember reading a comment from Constructor (owner of this company) that the rifling button he made up for his barrels just happens to fit perfectly in the S&W bore, and the S&W barrels apparently come from the same place he sources his. You might contact him if you're interested. I have a different profile barrel from him and am impressed with the workmanship.
http://www.ar15performance.com/inc/sdetail/1679/1612
No denigration of the S&W barrel intended.
Beat Trash
01-24-13, 14:01
Old post I know...
My guys have an opportunity to buy a M&P MOE moe mid length carbine. This would be at the LE price and is promised to be shipped within 90 days.
Has anyone run one of these long enough to have an opinion on the gun? I'm mainly curious about the 1/8 barrel. Is it over gassed?
I've used the search button and this post is about all I could come up with.
A few months ago, I would not have bothered and would have gone with the Colt. BCM,DD combo.
Our regional sales rep for S&W worked with the local LE dealer to offer three SKU's for our officers. The MP15, MP15X and the MP15 MOE.
The individual officer price for the MP15 and the Mp15MOE is only $5.00 difference.
Anyone with time/experience with the MOE model?
Littlelebowski
01-24-13, 15:01
Old post I know...
My guys have an opportunity to buy a M&P MOE moe mid length carbine. This would be at the LE price and is promised to be shipped within 90 days.
Has anyone run one of these long enough to have an opinion on the gun? I'm mainly curious about the 1/8 barrel. Is it over gassed?
I've used the search button and this post is about all I could come up with.
A few months ago, I would not have bothered and would have gone with the Colt. BCM,DD combo.
Our regional sales rep for S&W worked with the local LE dealer to offer three SKU's for our officers. The MP15, MP15X and the MP15 MOE.
The individual officer price for the MP15 and the Mp15MOE is only $5.00 difference.
Anyone with time/experience with the MOE model?
Just buy it, S&W will support the rifle. I shot out the barrel on my M&P15R 5.45 and they replaced it on their dime in six business days.
Just buy it, S&W will support the rifle. I shot out the barrel on my M&P15R 5.45 and they replaced it on their dime in six business days.
Great customer service is good.
A product that doesn't need customer service is great.
Just sayin'
I have one, doesn't run wolf .223 for crap, but runs xm193 beautifully. I put a BC2.0 on it and it has negative muzzle flip >.<
Littlelebowski
01-24-13, 15:21
Great customer service is good.
A product that doesn't need customer service is great.
Just sayin'
Do you understand what you were replying to? Either you don't or you're being intentionally snippy.
Do you understand what you were replying to? Either you don't or you're being intentionally snippy.
If you say so.
Just buy it, S&W will support the rifle. I shot out the barrel on my M&P15R 5.45 and they replaced it on their dime in six business days.
^ This. I would buy it in a heartbeat. You can rarely find any reasonably priced AR's anywhere. This is a solid rifle.
Littlelebowski
01-24-13, 15:30
If you say so.
I sincerely doubt you've shot out many if any barrels so I'll spell it out for you.
Barrels wear out. Barrels are a disposable, wear item. S&W replacing my barrel after I shot it out using over 11k rounds of corrosive Soviet surplus ammo and doing so on their dime is phenomenal customer service and above and behind what is reasonably expected. They didn't ask how many rounds I'd shot through it, they didn't blink at the fact that my rifle was and is still a discontinued model.
Get it?
Also, the weapon is reliable as any good Glock and gives me excellent accuracy.
I sincerely doubt you've shot out many if any barrels so I'll spell it out for you.
Barrels wear out. Barrels are a disposable, wear item. S&W replacing my barrel after I shot it out using over 11k rounds of corrosive Soviet surplus ammo and doing so on their dime is phenomenal customer service and above and behind what is reasonably expected. They didn't ask how many rounds I'd shot through it, they didn't blink at the fact that my rifle was and is still a discontinued model.
Get it?
Also, the weapon is reliable as any good Glock and gives me excellent accuracy.
You answered his question about customer service with flying colors using personal, first hand experience. What's not to like?
I had a SW rifle and it never skipped a beat....this package looks great for a non Tier 1 rifle
I had a SW rifle and it never skipped a beat....this package looks great for a non Tier 1 rifle
If I were to select a non tier 1 rifle...using regular pre insanity prices and availability, it would be a Spikes or S&W, in that order.
Wish I had pulled the trigger on the Sport for like $600ish at my LGS a few months ago.
lethal dose
01-24-13, 15:58
S&W are one of the few who appropriately price what they make. To reiterate what LL said... their CS is second to none and I HIGHLY doubt you'll need it anytime soon.
For a mass producing firearms manufacturer..they do have their ducks in a row....I wish they would hurry up and produce more Shield 9mm
I carry the magpul mp at work its been a great rifle so far. It's still very new probably less then 800 rounds through it. As far as being over gassed I can't answer to that but, our dept ammo is 64 grain .223 and I've yet to see any sw rifle have issues.
I really like the lightweight barrel mid length gas system on the magpul, i think it shoots softer and with less recoil then a carbine gas set up. My understanding is that 1/8 twist will shoot heavy and light bullets equally well, where 1/7 likes heavy bullets and 1/9 prefers lighter bullets. Like the everyone else has already there customer service is great. For what it's worth SW are very popular in my dept and others in the metro area and I've yet to hear or any issues with them.
What would it take to make this rifle tier 1?
Tier 1=battle proven, precise non commercialized rifle
DD, Noveske, BCM and Larue are my top 4 Tier 1.
Tier 1 to me is a rifle that is battle proven. Spec'd to perform perfect and attention to detail.
A SW will always be a SW no matter what you do to it....however SW is one of the best commercialized manufacturers
Littlelebowski
01-24-13, 17:01
Tier 1=battle proven, precise non commercialized rifle
DD, Noveske, BCM and Larue are my top 4 Tier 1.
Tier 1 to me is a rifle that is battle proven. Spec'd to perform perfect and attention to detail.
A SW will always be a SW no matter what you do to it....however SW is one of the best commercialized manufacturers
In what battles are DD, BCM, and Noveske proven?
Seriously? Their weapons (DD, BCM, Noveske and Larue) are deployed with many specialized teams across the US and the world past and current theater of operations.
I am not talking your standard army battle.
Littlelebowski
01-24-13, 17:22
Seriously? Their weapons (DD, BCM, Noveske and Larue) are deployed with many specialized teams across the US and the world past and current theater of operations.
I am not talking your standard army battle.
What military units?
Tier 1=battle proven, precise non commercialized rifle
DD, Noveske, BCM and Larue are my top 4 Tier 1.
Tier 1 to me is a rifle that is battle proven. Spec'd to perform perfect and attention to detail.
A SW will always be a SW no matter what you do to it....however SW is one of the best commercialized manufacturers
A "battle proven" list that doesn't have Colt on it...
notsureifsrs
Ok...I am not getting into a p****** contest with you.
I never said any specific military unit...
wrap- I PICKED MY TOP 4 rifle makers....not yours...
Sometimes you guys get a little to anal
greeneggsandsam
01-24-13, 17:46
I just picked up a M&P15 OR and other than the barrel (4150 steel and 1/9 twist) everything seems to be very high quality. Everything seems properly staked, MP bcg, chrome lined barrel, and easily upgraded.
Now, I'm new to ARs and would like to attend a carbine training class. Since people are saying that this isn't a "battle proven" rifle, would my M&P15 be sufficient for using in this carbine class? I'm assuming that a lot of rounds will be shot during the 2 days of training (1K+ rounds) so will this rifle be able to take the abuse ok?
Just b/c certain military groups don't use this rifle doesn't make any sense to not call this a "battle proven" rifle. There are law enforcement agencies using this, right?
Any insight or opinions are welcomed...
I had over 3000rds down my SW with no hiccups....my only ever issue was when I broke a feed lip on a PMAG and it wouldnt feed properly...but that is not the guns fault at all.
I just picked up a M&P15 OR and other than the barrel (4150 steel and 1/9 twist) everything seems to be very high quality. Everything seems properly staked, MP bcg, chrome lined barrel, and easily upgraded.
Now, I'm new to ARs and would like to attend a carbine training class. Since people are saying that this isn't a "battle proven" rifle, would my M&P15 be sufficient for using in this carbine class? I'm assuming that a lot of rounds will be shot during the 2 days of training (1K+ rounds) so will this rifle be able to take the abuse ok?
Just b/c certain military groups don't use this rifle doesn't make any sense to not call this a "battle proven" rifle. There are law enforcement agencies using this, right?
Any insight or opinions are welcomed...
If it hasn't been proven in battle, it isn't battle proven.
Not being proven in battle doesn't mean it isn't good. Doesn't mean it isn't great. Doesn't even necessarily mean that it isn't as good or better than a battle proven rifle. But it does mean it isn't battle proven.
Bring it to the class. Make sure you have a sling and ammo and some decent/good magazines. Have fun and learn.
Littlelebowski
01-24-13, 17:50
I just picked up a M&P15 OR and other than the barrel (4150 steel and 1/9 twist) everything seems to be very high quality. Everything seems properly staked, MP bcg, chrome lined barrel, and easily upgraded.
Now, I'm new to ARs and would like to attend a carbine training class. Since people are saying that this isn't a "battle proven" rifle, would my M&P15 be sufficient for using in this carbine class? I'm assuming that a lot of rounds will be shot during the 2 days of training (1K+ rounds) so will this rifle be able to take the abuse ok?
Just b/c certain military groups don't use this rifle doesn't make any sense to not call this a "battle proven" rifle. There are law enforcement agencies using this, right?
Any insight or opinions are welcomed...
It will be fine so long as you check staking, springs, and lube it generously.
I do not consider police as military.
TriviaMonster
01-24-13, 17:54
It will be fine so long as you check staking, springs, and lube it generously.
I do not consider police as military.
Agreed. If you've seen the difference between a multiple times issued M16 and a 5year old police trunk gun its telling. I actually say a little prayer for those select fires keeping us safe every night.
Its funny how we never traded a little bit of freedom of religion after the Jonestown Massacre.
Guess what...
Colts have failed in battle...get the hell over it.
The DESIGN has been proven in battle. Little things DO matter but simple things like staking your castle nut can be done at home if you have half of a brain.
Do not let the little things deter you from ordering a quality weapon.
As we all know, some are better than others but at this point, it is pretty safe to say that S&W is offering a quality rifle WELL above the average.
What alloy is the barrel made out of ? What is the bolt made out of? HPT? MPI? shot peened? IMO S@W ARs aren't more ham a low end model with fancy looking hardware. Colt, BCM and Daniel defense all the way. They are about the same price with twice the quality.
What alloy is the barrel made out of ? What is the bolt made out of? HPT? MPI? shot peened? IMO S@W ARs aren't more ham a low end model with fancy looking hardware. Colt, BCM and Daniel defense all the way. They are about the same price with twice the quality.
4150 CMV, MP, HP barrels with 5 R rifling and a 1:8 twist. Also melonited instead of chrome lined and the upper featured nice m4 feed ramps.
The bolt was marked HP/MP. Semi auto carrier that was chrome lined. Staking on the carrier itself was fantastic, much better than the SHIT line staking on my 901... I cant comment on the shot peening as i do not know.
Unique profile on these middies that is quite light and pretty damned nice.
The lower also featured the best Milspec trigger ive ever used. Only complaint was that the factory safety was stiffer than i would like, way better than any Colt trigger ive ever felt...Staking on the castle nut was done via straight, non circular punch of some sort but was adequate.
I had no qualms putting the S&W right next to my Noveske Middie...The noveske is better on paper but when i go out and you know, actually shoot my rifles, with a T1 mounted to the guns, they both group and function the same.
Right now Daniel Defense is the only manufacturer that is actually exceeding the "milspec" as far as offering a rifle in that price point that is truly refined beyond anything else. BCM is nice but they're simply a milspec offering for guys that care about certifications.
S&W these days is pretty damned close to Colt in quality AND standards/specifications.
I really think this is a neat package S&W put together. Its to bad the recent hype hit. Who needs to put together a package when the bare bones rifles are selling faster than folks can make them? I hope things settle down and this package becomes available again... Its the perfect setup for new guy...
I really think this is a neat package S&W put together. Its to bad the recent hype hit. Who needs to put together a package when the bare bones rifles are selling faster than folks can make them? I hope things settle down and this package becomes available again... Its the perfect setup for new guy...
I got mine from s&w maybe 2 months ago, if that means anything. It was on order since August. They've been backed up for a long time.
I got mine from s&w maybe 2 months ago, if that means anything. It was on order since August. They've been backed up for a long time.
Bad timing for sure... Not even sure you could get on a list for an M4 these days.. Its not that I NEED another, its just this one is to cool not to have... : )
Got any pics? Been able to run the thing much?
Redbeardsong
01-28-13, 20:49
The Smith Moe Mid is one of the coolest rifles I've seen released this past year. With the mid length hand guard and light(er) weight barrel, it balances beautifully. Smith did a great job and they've really been delivering good quality weapons as of late.
I was planning on buying one of these, but ended up getting a Daniel Defense M4V5 lightweight. I still want the Smith, though.
I'm kind of curious why no one has commented on the magpul marked lower receiver yet. Those used to sell for $3k...
Wow!!! I never realized that!!!
it is a great package...very impressed
Does anyone want pics of specific parts of the weapon? I replaced the trigger, selector, stock, and pistol grip. Geissele, BAD, STR, and moe+. I also added a moe scout mount to the handguard.
Does anyone want pics of specific parts of the weapon? I replaced the trigger, selector, stock, and pistol grip. Geissele, BAD, STR, and moe+. I also added a moe scout mount to the handguard.
I'd love to see any pics available on this weapon. So far all I have seen is the stock ones from S&W. Do you have before and after pics?
I'd love to see any pics available on this weapon. So far all I have seen is the stock ones from S&W. Do you have before and after pics?
I'll take some later today, just imagine it with a black grip, mil spec selector, and moe stock. Oh and I replaced the FH with a battlecomp, but I'll take pictures of it too.
Phillygunguy
01-29-13, 12:56
All this talk about SW M&P 15 makes me glad I picked up a VTAC 2 , but the Moe looks sweet
My local dealer is has a wait list on these at $959. Kinda kicking myself for not getting on that list 2 weeks ago
It weighs 6lbs!
6lbs!
That is what I like the most about it.....
gunfighter48
01-29-13, 22:40
[QUOTE=saddlerocker; Its interesting that they are going with the 1:8" twist 5R Melonited barrel like the M&P Sport[/QUOTE]
The 1:8 twist 5R barrel accuracy is one of the things that makes the Sport so popular. The low street price was a big draw also! I think it really took S&W by surprise. They couldn't begin to keep up with demand for the Sport. And I think it's one of the reasons they're putting it on other rifles. But what do I know!!:)
Here's a target I shot using Fed M193 55gr ammo. I'm not the best shot at 64 but when I do my part the Sport is very accurate with factory ammo. I does this well with PMC 223 55gr ammo also. These are all 3 shot groups and not hard to pick out. The bullseye group measures .65 edge to edge. The red bullseye is 1.5" in diameter.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e11/gunfighter48/Fed19355gr100yd3.jpg
A lot of hit-and-run commentators on this thread making gross generalizations about S&W M&P15. Lately, S&W is heading in the right direction with the VTAC and Magpul branded M&P15's.
This isn't just another M&P15 "Sport" or "ORC" which S&W simply threw a bunch of Magpul swag on...
4150 CMV Melonite barrel
1/8" 5R Rifling
Midlength gas system
Magpul branded forged lower
Integral trigger guard
Flared and beveled mag well
Magpul MBUS, MOE furniture, PMAG, Art of the Tactical Carbine Vol. I and II (8 DVD set)
Not bad for under $1100 (street price before 12/14/12). No, it's not a billet Magpul lower.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/IrAbzxfK7OI
http://www.riflegear.com/images/product/large/1757_1_.jpg
http://www.riflegear.com/images/product/large/1757_3_.jpg
http://www.riflegear.com/images/product/large/1757_4_.jpg
My local dealer is has a wait list on these at $959. Kinda kicking myself for not getting on that list 2 weeks ago
I'd sign up for that price. :)
Thanks for the pics 8200!
O-ring, plastic plunger, and MP mark:
http://i.imgur.com/F994Q0p.jpg
Flashhider, it's closed on the bottom and quite long:
http://i.imgur.com/oR6PYMl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RylmVwd.jpg
Semi-auto BCG:
http://i.imgur.com/dCAgga8.jpg
BCG staking, can see the MP on the bolt better in this picture:
http://i.imgur.com/7s2DHJs.jpg
BCG chrome lining:
http://i.imgur.com/FmA1cjy.jpg
Barrel markings:
http://i.imgur.com/9gp9rAY.jpg
F-marked FSB:
http://i.imgur.com/vgTF7Nc.jpg
M4 feedramps:
http://i.imgur.com/KBvIt4z.jpg
Note the battlecomp is not original, nor is the MOE scout light.
I paid about $1000 for mine including shipping, FFL fee, but not including the S&W mil rebate of $100. If I sell the 2 magpul art of the carbine dvds, I might "save" another $50 off the total price.
If these or the pictures from 8200rpm aren't enough, let me know what you want to see. I have upgraded a bunch of parts not shown though. Namely, trigger safety, ambi mag release, stock, rear sight. And added a moe scout mount with tlr 1 and I'm back and forth on what optic to use. Probably a ta33.
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. No such thing as to many pictures of a good thing.. :)
Good question. I have asked for the GP size so i can determine if it is over gassed or not.
C4
Did you get a chance to check this yet? Any issues with the staking or bolt on the ones you have looked yet?
Thanks.
Note the battlecomp is not original, nor is the MOE scout light.
I paid about $1000 for mine including shipping, FFL fee, but not including the S&W mil rebate of $100. If I sell the 2 magpul art of the carbine dvds, I might "save" another $50 off the total price.
If these or the pictures from 8200rpm aren't enough, let me know what you want to see. I have upgraded a bunch of parts not shown though. Namely, trigger safety, ambi mag release, stock, rear sight. And added a moe scout mount with tlr 1 and I'm back and forth on what optic to use. Probably a ta33.
Any update on your rifle? I should be able to shoot mine next week so excited to see just what it can do.
Did you get a chance to check this yet? Any issues with the staking or bolt on the ones you have looked yet?
Thanks.
Any update on your rifle? I should be able to shoot mine next week so excited to see just what it can do.
I have not.
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MountainRaven
03-01-13, 09:01
I assume that this lower is compatible with the new Pmags. Can someone confirm that? And is it compatible with the SureFire magazines?
Thanks!
I assume that this lower is compatible with the new Pmags. Can someone confirm that? And is it compatible with the SureFire magazines?
Thanks!
Dang... Sure hope so! I should have mine in hand shortly. All I have are Lancer L5 AWM mags to check. Assuming the included P-Mag will be Gen2...
I assume that this lower is compatible with the new Pmags. Can someone confirm that? And is it compatible with the SureFire magazines?
Thanks!
If you send me a gen3 and a surefire 60 ill test it for you ;)
All I have are lancer awms, gen2s, and usgi mags.
I haven't had a chance to go to the range lately, been recovering from surgery.
I assume that this lower is compatible with the new Pmags. Can someone confirm that? And is it compatible with the SureFire magazines?
Thanks!
I have used the new gen 3 pmags in my S&W magpul edition with no problems. I have not tried it with the surefire mags. Hope this helps.
I have used the new gen 3 pmags in my S&W magpul edition with no problems. I have not tried it with the surefire mags. Hope this helps.
Good to know on the PMags.. Thanks!
I think S&W is aware of the possible issues with the Melonite process. ;)
C4
Whoops, I'm pretty sure I got banned not too long ago for basically saying the same thing. Seems like the TDP, or whatever, is not quite the "holy grail" that it used to be?:smile:
And No, ya'll (not you) are not getting me to bite this time. I'm out....
Surefire 60's work fine....if you get one that works. :)
Whoops, I'm pretty sure I got banned not too long ago for basically saying the same thing. Seems like the TDP, or whatever, is not quite the "holy grail" that it used to be?:smile:
And No, ya'll (not you) are not getting me to bite this time. I'm out....
The TDP is still the standard for how you build a fighting gun. With that said, I think we will see the Govt get away from requiring chrome lining (due to EPA restrictions). So Salt Bath Nitride will become the new "standard" in the next 5-10yrs I think.
The lining of the barrel (in the grand scheme of things) is really not all that important IMHO.
C4
The_Biased_Observer
03-03-13, 14:20
In somewhat related news, I recently picked up a sporter model, and the bbl is no longer stamped 5R.. I have not visually counted the lands and grooves yet but a post on a SW forum says they stopped using the 5R on sporter models.
In somewhat related news, I recently picked up a sporter model, and the bbl is no longer stamped 5R.. I have not visually counted the lands and grooves yet but a post on a SW forum says they stopped using the 5R on sporter models.
Correct. The SPORT now comes with a 1/9 twist.
The 5R barrels are reserved for the MOE, VTAC and T models.
C4
Packing a 45
03-04-13, 01:17
What would it take to make this rifle tier 1?
Only Time will tell. Packing:)
and how many Magpul stickers they threw in..
I feel that I would be more then comfortable with a rifle like that, specially now when I am lucky to get 400-500 rounds a month if that down range, sucks. If only the price of that rifle was still the same, more importantly if I could find ammo for my habit my V1 would be soo happy. But yeah I like that rifle seems very solid.
AZ-Renegade
03-07-13, 10:08
I hope S&W expands on this product line. I'd like to see a Magpul Mid-Length in a RECCE style configuration with a 12" Centurion C4 Rail.
I'd also like to see them make complete Magpul lowers available.
I hope S&W expands on this product line. I'd like to see a Magpul Mid-Length in a RECCE style configuration with a 12" Centurion C4 Rail.
I'd also like to see them make complete Magpul lowers available.
I hear ya on the lowers, but it would seem a bit odd to me have a Magpul spec rifle without mostly (if not all) Mapgul parts. Right?
JBecker 72
03-07-13, 10:44
I still just want that lower.
AZ-Renegade
03-07-13, 11:05
I hear ya on the lowers, but it would seem a bit odd to me have a Magpul spec rifle without mostly (if not all) Mapgul parts. Right?
Slap on an STR, MIAD, and RVG and call it the MDE (Magpul Deluxe Edition).
To be honest, all I want is the lower too.
We have some of these in stock for those interested!
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=811053
C4
Phillygunguy
03-13-13, 15:51
I assume that this lower is compatible with the new Pmags. Can someone confirm that? And is it compatible with the SureFire magazines?
Thanks!
I believe the come with a p mag my vtac came with one so I don't think it's an issue with the new p mags
Calif options on these Grant?
We have some of these in stock for those interested!
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=811053
C4
I'm looking forward to checking one of these out in person.
rocket 442
03-16-13, 15:32
Hey Grant, link shows out of stock.Any more inbound with an ETA? I want one!
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=311314
It looks like Grant has some of the 308 versions in stock.
HalliganJoel
03-19-13, 20:39
I have one of these great rifles. It's my first AR-variant. I've been an AK guy for my entire rifle shooting life until I got this last year. It's at the smith right now being cut down and getting AAC Brake pinned.
Its a great, soft-shooting rifle. I got a BAD Lever not knowing it wouldn't fit. Do you guys think I could just grind down a spot in the finger shelf for it to fit? Have a machine shop do it? Or is the idea a blasphemous no-no?
I have one of these great rifles. It's my first AR-variant. I've been an AK guy for my entire rifle shooting life until I got this last year. It's at the smith right now being cut down and getting AAC Brake pinned.
Its a great, soft-shooting rifle. I got a BAD Lever not knowing it wouldn't fit. Do you guys think I could just grind down a spot in the finger shelf for it to fit? Have a machine shop do it? Or is the idea a blasphemous no-no?
I would just pass on the BAD lever.
C4
AZ-Renegade
03-20-13, 11:20
I got a BAD Lever not knowing it wouldn't fit. Do you guys think I could just grind down a spot in the finger shelf for it to fit? Have a machine shop do it? Or is the idea a blasphemous no-no?
Having used a BAD lever for a time, it's definetely not worth grinding on a perfectly good lower just to have one.
Follow Grant's advice. If you're an AK guy, the ergonomics of an AR is worlds above what you are already familiar with.
I've had my S&W MOE Mapul Spec ~ a month now. Been to the range with it a few times, got about 500 rounds through it, and have cleaned it twice. I've run 55gr Brown Bear, 55gr Tula Brass Max, and 62gr re-manufactured ammo through it. Ranging from 25-100yds with decent groups (at least for me shooting the Magpul sights).
Its accurate, but I could use some sort of optic for it and the Fit and Finish (lower to upper) is superb (Better than my BCM build (slight gap on the BCM (visual defect only)) with no felt play.
Not enough time for me to claim its the bees knees, but it is a nice package.
I have a BCM Gunfighter Charging Handle headed my way and was able to get a SMI BCG to have as a spare. Per another thread on S&W M&P 15s I plan to upgrade to H2 Buffer and Blue spring to increase reliability at some point down the road.
I've had my S&W MOE Mapul Spec ~ a month now. Been to the range with it a few times, got about 500 rounds through it, and have cleaned it twice. I've run 55gr Brown Bear, 55gr Tula Brass Max, and 62gr re-manufactured ammo through it. Ranging from 25-100yds with decent groups (at least for me shooting the Magpul sights).
Its accurate, but I could use some sort of optic for it and the Fit and Finish (lower to upper) is superb (Better than my BCM build (slight gap on the BCM (visual defect only)) with no felt play.
Not enough time for me to claim its the bees knees, but it is a nice package.
I have a BCM Gunfighter Charging Handle headed my way and was able to get a SMI BCG to have as a spare. Per another thread on S&W M&P 15s I plan to upgrade to H2 Buffer and Blue spring to increase reliability at some point down the road.
Upgrade one at a time, especially if you continue to use 55 gr steel cased .223. The magpul spec rifle has a mid length gas system and I suspect it's actually not over gassed, unlike their other rifles.
Upgrade one at a time, especially if you continue to use 55 gr steel cased .223. The magpul spec rifle has a mid length gas system and I suspect it's actually not over gassed, unlike their other rifles.
Thanks I'll keep that in mind.
I do want it to be able to run multiple types of ammo. No problems to date with the three types I have tried. My plan was just to buy the parts and have them on hand in case problems arose down the road.
I have never heard or been able to measure it.
C4
Grant I know you have been rather busy, but did S&W end up telling you the GP dimensions?
Or perhaps you were able to measure one on the last batch that came through?
Just curious if I should be looking at buffers.
Packing a 45
03-23-13, 18:01
So S&W are putting MP's name on the side and getting a break on MG's parts. BFD. Are you realy expecting New and Improved 6.0 version or do you just get excited about Tack weenie stuff comming out of a factory thats going too be changed out anyway:suicide: Packing
Littlelebowski
03-23-13, 18:15
So S&W are putting MP's name on the side and getting a break on MG's parts. BFD. Are you realy expecting New and Improved 6.0 version or do you just get excited about Tack weenie stuff comming out of a factory thats going too be changed out anyway:suicide: Packing
You're not going to last long here with that attitude and lack of information. Nice spelling, though.
Five_Point_Five_Six
03-23-13, 20:56
So S&W are putting MP's name on the side and getting a break on MG's parts. BFD. Are you realy expecting New and Improved 6.0 version or do you just get excited about Tack weenie stuff comming out of a factory thats going too be changed out anyway:suicide: Packing
Reading is hard.
So S&W are putting MP's name on the side and getting a break on MG's parts. BFD. Are you realy expecting New and Improved 6.0 version or do you just get excited about Tack weenie stuff comming out of a factory thats going too be changed out anyway:suicide: Packing
I can't understand this post. What is MG? BFD? What is 6.0? Tack weenie?
I can't understand this post. What is MG? BFD? What is 6.0? Tack weenie?
HAHA. BFD = Big ****ing deal, I assume? MG= ???? 6.0 = ???? Tack weenie?? Who the **** knows??? I think he's trying to say it's still a S&W which in his opinion is sub-standard? I don't know.
NoveskeFan
03-24-13, 15:02
I can't understand this post. What is MG? BFD? What is 6.0? Tack weenie?
I think MG is Magpul. I would really like one of these lowers.
Packing a 45
03-25-13, 00:56
You're not going to last long here with that attitude and lack of information. Nice spelling, though.
Been trying to delete this with no luck. Been sick for over 12 days Scotch and NyQuil dont mix,have been bouncing off the wall. Some should not drive I should not be near a keyboard. Again apologies to all. With that said = 6.0 as in better than version 5.0. MG=MP MagPul. Packing
Been trying to delete this with no luck. Been sick for over 12 days Scotch and NyQuil dont mix,have been bouncing off the wall. Some should not drive I should not be near a keyboard. Again apologies to all. With that said = 6.0 as in better than version 5.0. MG=MP MagPul. Packing
But you used MP for Magpul, you can't change the acronym to MG mid-sentence! And most people say "2.0" if they are talking about new and improved. Any higher than that and you have to wonder if the current weapon is 6.0 already and it's a better 6.0 (6.1?) or it's 5.0? Maybe the current rifle is 7.0 and when you say it's 6.0 it's an older version that's actually better?
Yeah, you should probably follow the directions and not take alcohol with NyQuil. Stay the hell away from firearms until it's far out of your system.
FDE MIDDY'S are in stock!
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=311054
C4
ECRRRainman
04-05-13, 10:07
FDE MIDDY'S are in stock!
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=311054
C4
Any idea when you will be getting more black models in stock?
...It's at the smith right now being cut down and getting AAC Brake pinned...
When it gets back please share some pics of the work done
Any idea when you will be getting more black models in stock?
When it gets back please share some pics of the work done
Not for a long time.
C4
Besides the name and reputation what does this rifle not have that the BCM MID 16 LW has?
Besides the name and reputation what does this rifle not have that the BCM MID 16 LW has?
Nothing really. The main difference is the barrel. It has a 1/8 twist, 5R and melonited.
C4
Correct. The SPORT now comes with a 1/9 twist.
The 5R barrels are reserved for the MOE, VTAC and T models.
C4
Grant,
Can you confirm if the VTAC and T models are also mid-length gas systems?
Grant,
Can you confirm if the VTAC and T models are also mid-length gas systems?
S&W'S website states the VTAC II is mid length....
Is anyone running an h buffer in these? Is an h buffer needed in a 16" mid length gun?
Is anyone running an h buffer in these? Is an h buffer needed in a 16" mid length gun?
Yes and you might even want to go with an H2 with these.
C4
Yes and you might even want to go with an H2 with these.
C4
Could you explain why? Thanks.
Could you explain why? Thanks.
Most companies run an H buffer with their middy (BCM, DD, etc). Knowing that the S&W is slightly over gassed, I would run an H (for sure) and give an H2 a try.
C4
Grant,
What are the chances the ambi controls of the M&P10 will migrate to the M&P15? Tell S&W if they do this, they will sell one immediately
MistoGators
01-23-20, 20:07
Are these still GTG? The SL FDE one is on sale for $600.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/s-w-m-p15-moe-sl-mid-5-56mm-30rd-16-rifle-fde-11513.html?avad=211021_c19031551&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=cl
crusader377
01-25-20, 14:08
Are these still GTG? The SL FDE one is on sale for $600.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/s-w-m-p15-moe-sl-mid-5-56mm-30rd-16-rifle-fde-11513.html?avad=211021_c19031551&utm_source=Avantlink&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=cl
For that price, I think it is alot of rifle for the money. I would definitely buy if you want to stay in the price range.
It looks pretty good for the money, here is a comparison of prices (scroll down):
https://gun.deals/product/sw-mp15-moe-sl-mid-556mm-30rd-16-rifle-fde-59999
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