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ColdDeadHands
01-19-12, 12:19
In the middle of installing an LEM kit in my friend's HK45 and found this:
http://i824.photobucket.com/albums/zz170/mw1311/Misc/9ade17a4.jpg
Looks like a chip?
Although I do not have an HK45 (yet!!), I read some time ago on the HKPro forum that it is a RFID chip that can be read for total number of weapon discharges, round count, time of discharges, etc. I believe they are mostly used by LE organizations.
I'm sure someone may have a more definatve answer, but that's what I read on the internet, so it must be true. ;)
The Black Chinooks are not inbound!
Although I do not have an HK45 (yet!!), I read some time ago on the HKPro forum that it is a RFID chip that can be read for total number of weapon discharges, round count, time of discharges, etc. I believe they are mostly used by LE organizations.
That's exactly what it is and what it's used for. It's no big deal, big brother is watching you or anything. When they first came to light everyone thought this was going to be a way for the gov to track their actions or something. It's won't do anything like that.
A brief application of some 110-volt AC love ought to relieve that gun of its record-keeping responsibilities.
ColdDeadHands
01-19-12, 13:41
it is a RFID chip that can be read for total number of weapon discharges, round count, time of discharges, etc. I believe they are mostly used by LE organizations.
After doing more research I came to the same conclusion. And the idiots over at hkpro all make smart-ass comments.:rolleyes: Glad I got rid of my HK's.
That's an expensive chip if it has logic to track all that. Are you guys sure it's not just used for inventory control while in the HK system?
The chip is simply used to store certain information. This information must be manually input using an RFID device, otherwise the chip will read blank. Common uses for this device are to manually input the rounds fired, maintenance performed, the serial number of the weapon, the department assigned, and the officer assigned the weapon. The device does not automatically detect the number of weapon discharges (It does not detect movement to the best of my knowledge) and as such round counts must be manually input upon return to the armorer.
Moose-Knuckle
01-19-12, 17:50
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a144/AKS-74/BigBrother.jpg
The chip is simply used to store certain information. This information must be manually input using an RFID device, otherwise the chip will read blank. Common uses for this device are to manually input the rounds fired, maintenance performed, the serial number of the weapon, the department assigned, and the officer assigned the weapon. The device does not automatically detect the number of weapon discharges (It does not detect movement to the best of my knowledge) and as such round counts must be manually input upon return to the armorer.
Ahhhh I see. Thanks. A lot handier log than my Excel spreadsheet.
The chip is simply used to store certain information. This information must be manually input using an RFID device, otherwise the chip will read blank. Common uses for this device are to manually input the rounds fired, maintenance performed, the serial number of the weapon, the department assigned, and the officer assigned the weapon. The device does not automatically detect the number of weapon discharges (It does not detect movement to the best of my knowledge) and as such round counts must be manually input upon return to the armorer.
This.
If it is a concern it comes right off with a small flat head screwdriver as it's only got a drop of adhesive on it's back, it's not actually molded into the weapon.
My curiosity got the best of me one day.
F-Trooper05
01-19-12, 20:05
I didn't think they were a big deal either until I read this post from Todd G...
"By the way, when I worked at SIG-Sauer we offered this same RFID capability to some federal agencies. Their reaction was abject horror. Why? Because they knew that an RFID-equipped pistol could be detected easily at a distance by anyone with a little technological know-how."
http://pistol-training.com/archives/5055
DOD IDs are just as easy to detect...
Does it aid in launching a bullet? If not, what is it doing in a combat pistol? Seems like a retarded idea to me. :rolleyes:
I didn't think they were a big deal either until I read this post from Todd G...
"By the way, when I worked at SIG-Sauer we offered this same RFID capability to some federal agencies. Their reaction was abject horror. Why? Because they knew that an RFID-equipped pistol could be detected easily at a distance by anyone with a little technological know-how."
http://pistol-training.com/archives/5055
Pry that bastard off then.
As I understand it these are passive tags that are much more difficult to detect than the active tags used for things like inventory control. Still though, if it makes you nervous it isn't that hard to dispose of it if you want.
Moose-Knuckle
01-20-12, 14:47
As I understand it these are passive tags that are much more difficult to detect than the active tags used for things like inventory control. Still though, if it makes you nervous it isn't that hard to dispose of it if you want.
The average person has no idea just how many of the everyday ordinary consumer goods they purchase have RFID technology in them. Even companies like Tide have micro RFID tags to track products in various demographics for "market research".
The device does not automatically detect the number of weapon discharges (It does not detect movement to the best of my knowledge) and as such round counts must be manually input upon return to the armorer.
Bingo - some people are so gullible :D
If folks think RFID is ONLY for inventory, they are naive at best!
They are in Passports, Car tires, clothing from walmart and a lot of other items. Some are tiny, other are HUGE by comparison. Like the ones in HK's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq7kBhts9a8
They were used in the Fast and Furious debacle.
http://treeofmamre.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/the-obama-administration-clouds-the-issue-by-claiming-bush-also-ran-guns-into-mexico/
The ability to do inventory in seconds sounds greats doesn't it?
After all, Inventory is all they are used for. RIGHT?
I'm sure hackers and criminals like the idea of doing inventory of your home in seconds from the curb.:p Yep...... The technology IS hackable AND subject to ABUSE.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704421304575383213061198090.html
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/08/fed-rfid/
http://barcode.com/rfid-for-weapons-fast-and-furious-might-benefit.html
http://www.iautomate.com/products/Wavetrend-L%252dRX201-Long-Range-RFID-Reader.html
In order to read a passive tag that small from a distance would require a tag reader with a big antenna and alot of power. Not to mention the metal parts of the gun may create interference.
For North Texas folks, the NTTA TollTags are mostly antenna and the tag readers over the lanes consume a great deal of power. There are inductive loops, light curtains, and treadles in the lanes to power up the tag readers when a vehicle is detected. That should give you some visual idea.
If folks think RFID is ONLY for inventory, they are naive at best!
They are in Passports, Car tires, clothing from walmart and a lot of other items. Some are tiny, other are HUGE by comparison. Like the ones in HK's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq7kBhts9a8
They were used in the Fast and Furious debacle.
http://treeofmamre.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/the-obama-administration-clouds-the-issue-by-claiming-bush-also-ran-guns-into-mexico/
The ability to do inventory in seconds sounds greats doesn't it?
After all, Inventory is all they are used for. RIGHT?
I'm sure hackers and criminals like the idea of doing inventory of your home in seconds from the curb.:p Yep...... The technology IS hackable AND subject to ABUSE.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704421304575383213061198090.html
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/08/fed-rfid/
http://barcode.com/rfid-for-weapons-fast-and-furious-might-benefit.html
http://www.iautomate.com/products/Wavetrend-L%252dRX201-Long-Range-RFID-Reader.html
There is a current debate on this topic on TheHighRoad. You and your links rock and I used most of your links in my arguments. Kudos.
Yeah, umm... not that hard to build a device capable of pinging an RFID tag of ANY sort and getting a response, then using that information anyway you want.
RFID tags were made for one reason... to IDENTIFY an object REMOTELY by anyone with the technology to do so.
If you are fine with that, then keep that sucker on your piece.
I'm with glocktogo on this... if it dont make your blaster work or help you in a fight, it has no place on your pistol.
There is a current debate on this topic on TheHighRoad. You and your links rock and I used most of your links in my arguments. Kudos.
Thank you Sir!
There are a lot of smart folks on these boards.
I suggest they read/watch the links and research it on their own.
Then decide if they trust Big Business,Criminals and Government to do the right thing before they post anything about the technology.
One more thing!
I'm a little old fashion.
I'm a Patriot and Believe in the Constitution and the Right to Privacy.
I guess ( to some) that puts me in the TIN FOIL HAT crowd!;)
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