View Full Version : Tavor bullpup slated for release this year in USA
Larry Vickers
01-22-12, 00:27
Guys I want to bring everybody up to speed on the latest on the efforts on making a semi auto Tavor a reality here in the USA- I spoke to Michael Kassnar at SHOT 2012 and not only did he have a semi auto sales sample of the Tavor but he had a game plan to make it a reality this year - he is moving forward aggressively and is doing his best to make this rifle available to the buying public as soon as possible
Michael Kassnar has a very good reputation in the firearms industry and has a track record of importing some very rare and desirable military style rifles ( KBI SVD's and Hungarian AKM's) - obviously those items were imported pre ban and the game has changed since then but he understands the challenges involved and is committed to the task at hand
The best way to support him is to reach out to him and let him know you are interested in buying a Tavor when he has them available- his email address is listed below
You may ask why do I care about another new bullpup - the answer is simple; it is called exercising your second amendment rights and the more proficient you become with weapons like the Tavor or the AK or the FAL or the AUG the better you are with all small arms
I will present my firearms industry background as proof positive
Contact Michael at m.kassnar@transworldarms.com
As a guy who has carried an AUG and found the benefits of a bull-pup design useful and who tries to shoot and be familiar with dissimilar weapons platforms, I look forward to the Tavor coming to market.
SeriousStudent
01-22-12, 00:47
Mr. Vickers, thank you for the information. I purchased a pair of lower receivers from Charles Daly Defense, and found Mr. Kassnar to be an excellent person to work with.
Best wishes for you with the upcoming season of Tac TV.
My Uzi NEEDS a Tavor.
:sarcastic:
The Tavor is an amazing piece of engineering, and I am very excited about the semi auto 16 inch guns that Michael Kassnar is working on with IWI... Internally they are very different from the Canadian guns, where they only had to replace the full auto selector with a semi one, and then put them on the market. By all accounts this new IWI semi design not only met, but exceeded, all of the NFA branches requirements...
Congratulations again to Mike for pulling off what others said could not be done...
S/F
B
this and the HK MR762 are the only two things I care about getting this year. Oh and an FNP Tactical .45........there goes 6K!
The Tavor is an amazing piece of engineering, and I am very excited about the semi auto 16 inch guns that Michael Kassnar is working on with IWI... Internally they are very different from the Canadian guns, where they only had to replace the full auto selector with a semi one, and then put them on the market. By all accounts this new IWI semi design not only met, but exceeded, all of the NFA branches requirements...
Congratulations again to Mike for pulling off what others said could not be done...
S/F
B
Thanks Buck, that is good to hear.
That is good news.
If he also picked the Msar line, I would be very happy.
RogerinTPA
01-22-12, 16:48
I'm very interested in adding one to my collection, provided that it proves to be as durable as the Israeli one (or at least a StyrAUG). I hope he sends out one or two to some M4C members for T&E, so they can put a few K rounds through it in some carbine courses and some type of endurance test. That AAR, in and of itself, would pay off in spades.
lloydkristmas
01-22-12, 20:30
Very cool. The Tavor is the weapon I wish my FS2000 was.
DeltaSierra
01-22-12, 20:36
I hope he sends out one or two to some M4C members for T&E, so they can put a few K rounds through it in some carbine courses and some type of endurance test. That AAR, in and of itself, would pay off in spades.
Hey, I wouldn't mind being given that sort of "homework" assignment!
I am glad that the Tavor is coming to the US market, simply because I like seeing bullpups gain more traction in the US.
The more high quality choices in the bullpup market, the better...
jagdkommando
01-22-12, 21:00
I stopped by Mr Kassner's booth several times to handle the semi auto Tavor and learn of his plans to get these great rifles in our hands. I will purchase a Tavor as soon as I get a chance.
DR
I would be interested in buying two if the price is right and there is aftermarket support.
If it is more expensive than a good AR I really don't see the point of owning one beyond possible collectors value or CDI points. There must be a supply of replacement parts.
Very very glad about this news. I just hope this project gets off the ground and doesnt fizzle due to some administrative decision. Plus I can finally stick it to those damn Canooks by showing off a 16" verson with full capacity mags while they are stuck with 10 rounders...
variablebinary
01-22-12, 22:40
Very exciting news. I hope it all works out. Count me in for one after I finish my 2012 AR15 build.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS3vHnEQXBg
http://bullpupforum.com/gallery/1_17_01_12_11_51_07.jpeg
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/files/2012/01/IMG_62011.jpg
http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/41691-2/michael_kassner_tavor_0805web.jpg.
Massive improvement over what Barret showed in 2002
http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT_Show_2002/Day2/Dsc00522.jpg
I look forward to getting one of these in lieu of the SBR my state forbids me to own. The Tavor has always seemed like a really well designed rifle and I'm happy to see it finally coming to the states.
I will take 1 for the collection.
I would like to add something to what mr. Vickers reported.
The fact that IWI is willing to introduce a new version of semiauto only TAR21 is a surprising news to me.
In 2009 I wrote and published a reportage about ALL the TAR21 family for a italian national distributed gun magazine and I had the pleasure to work with the amazing guys in Ramat Hasharon.
When I exposed the market demand of assault rifle in Italy, and the fact that Italians can own semiauto, military caliber version of assault rifles, they were very surprised.
Further, I told them that we have less strict limitations about barrel lenghts than the US market (here barrel can be short up to 300 mm, less than 13" for a rifle/carbine, less if your gun is classified "handgun", with no limitation about the presence of a rifle stock).
I gave them also the right pricing (believe me, I know this market very well in Europe and even better in Europe!)
The final answer was that they were no interested anymore in producing a semiauto version.
Now they reverted their decision, at least for the US market, that in terms of figures is way far more interesting than the european market: you have the 2nd Amendament, none of the Eu countries have such a thing, in any form.
This said, I shot several mags with the X95 (the military version...) in the IWI Cesarea range, and I understood two things:
1) why I like traditional rifle design (it is only MY opinion, and it does not reflect any flaw in TAR21 design or project... just I have my own tastes)
2) why the Israelis are training IDF rookies DIRECTLY with the new rifle, avoiding as much as possible any transition between the M16/M4 systems they have with the TAR21s.
From what has been reported to me by IDF Miluim (reserve) officers, TAR21 has an astonishing reliability record in Mid East enviroment, claiming to perform much better than the M16/M4.
just my 2 cents...
In for 1. I decided to go non-bullpup last year with my allocation of fun money, but if the Tavor really happens I'd be thrilled. Per Larry's suggestion I emailed Mr. K to that affect...
cheers
Count me in. A great piece for the bullpup reference collection.
I want one in 300 BLK!!! :D
Here's my .22 version of the TAR21 using a Marlin 795
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7028/6740429467_2062e75321_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/defcon008/6740429467/)
_MG_9771 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/defcon008/6740429467/) by defconskylude (http://www.flickr.com/people/defcon008/), on Flickr
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_MG_9769 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/defcon008/6740429421/) by defconskylude (http://www.flickr.com/people/defcon008/), on Flickr
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Heavy Metal
01-24-12, 17:52
How amenable to other calibers is the Tavor I wonder?
Moose-Knuckle
01-24-12, 18:09
Best of luck to him bringing it to market, this is good news coming out of this years SHOT.
As a southpaw I'm so excited for this bullpup. No more brass in my face!!!
How amenable to other calibers is the Tavor I wonder?
Normal Tavor is only 5,56.
The special force carbine X95, instead, is produced both in 5.56 (gas operating system) and 9 mm para (blowback operating system).
It exists a conversion kit to switch the carbine from 5.56 to 9 para, but it requires a unit armourer and it is quite invasive, not just a "drop in" thing.
Dear Sir:
I understand that you intend to bring the Israeli Tavor to the US. I look forward to seeing your final product, and you can count on me as a loyal customer provided that the quality meets your reputation. Please do not hesitate to contact me at xxx-xxx-xxxx should you have questions.
Email sent. Anxiously awaiting...
dudley2112
01-25-12, 12:55
How amenable to other calibers is the Tavor I wonder?
theres a guy up here working on converting one into 300 blkout, check out canadiangunnutz if you want more details
Confed-rifleman
01-26-12, 00:34
DAMN!!! Another weapon that I must own should it actually be allowed by our 'Dear Leader' and BATFE. Neither is fond of civilian firearm ownership and the Obama regime doesn't have any love for Israel.
Shalom
As a southpaw I'm so excited for this bullpup. No more brass in my face!!!
Confused, is this sarcasm or can the tavor be converted to left hand ejection?
variablebinary
01-26-12, 01:51
Confused, is this sarcasm or can the tavor be converted to left hand ejection?
It can be converted.
Confused, is this sarcasm or can the tavor be converted to left hand ejection?
The answer is: YES.
How? You need a bolt head with extrator and ejector for left handed shooters (like for the Steyr AUG) and to switch on the other side the lid to close the unwanted ejection port. (and on the operating ejection port you must mount the brass deflector...).
Conversion task in the army is made by unit armorers...
For those attending the NRA Show in St. Louis, MO, April 13-15, the Tavor SA will be on display in the Navy Arms booth #2304. Val Forgett of Navy Arms has been kind enough to allow us to share his booth space. Stop by and see us if you get the chance!
bnanaphone
03-29-12, 17:01
First off, how did I not know the NRA show was in St. Louis again!? Secondly, I look forward to seeing the Tavor in person. Thank you for the heads up!
Mr. Kassnar,
do you have a more firm date on the arrival of the Tavor in the USA? the last I've seen was from Shot in Jan.
thanks,
-Eric
For those attending the NRA Show in St. Louis, MO, April 13-15, the Tavor SA will be on display in the Navy Arms booth #2304. Val Forgett of Navy Arms has been kind enough to allow us to share his booth space. Stop by and see us if you get the chance!
6.8 conversion kit and Nitrided Barrels with polygonal rifling please and I am in for qty. of two.:smile:
Mr. Kassnar,
do you have a more firm date on the arrival of the Tavor in the USA? the last I've seen was from Shot in Jan.
thanks,
-Eric
October/November 2012! Still on schedule.
6.8 conversion kit and Nitrided Barrels with polygonal rifling please and I am in for qty. of two.:smile:
Sorry, but not gonna happen anytime soon.
This is awesome. I wish the timing would be better, but with the feeding frenzy that will probably be going on around the November elections, I expect these Tavor's to be very hard to find and subject to some serious price gouging.
I'm in it for one of them for sure. The Tavor and the new Beretta ARX-160 are two rifles that are near the top of my non AK must have rifles.
Want the Tavor bad, the ARX-160 not so much, I was very interested until I handled one at SHOT, it seemed very heavy for the amount of polymer used.
Here is mine:smile:
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/s720x720/388958_10151017815010481_565640480_22154113_292445723_n.jpg
pbr streetgang
03-31-12, 02:37
Confused, is this sarcasm or can the tavor be converted to left hand ejection?
yes... i have both...
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yes... i have both...
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http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af32/pbr-streetgang/9c84d380.jpg
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You have made me a very jealous man.
Had a quick talk with an Israeli Policeman in Jerusalem, a little over two weeks ago. Even though he spoke very broken English, he told me the Army primarily uses M4 type ARs, while the Police are using the Tavors. His had what appeared to be a Mepro-21 red dot sight.
He felt his Tabor was quite a bit better than the M4, and was obviously proud to be carrying the Israeli made weapon.
Wish I had a photo, but they don't want you taking any pictures.
...the Army primarily uses M4 type ARs, while the Police are using the Tavors.
Your Israeli policeman friend is not up to date on what the army is using there. The IDF is currently using, and has been using for a few years, the Tavor and the Micro-Tavor, in large numbers. See: Tavor on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavor_TAR-21). "It is the standard issued weapon of the Israeli infantry. The MTAR-21 (Micro Tavor) was recently selected as the future assault rifle of the Israeli Defense Forces, and some infantry division are being issued with the rifle, replacing the bigger and standard TAR-21."
Any word on when these might actually be ready for sale?
Any word on when these might actually be ready for sale?
We are planning to start shipping in late October/early November, if all goes well.
We are planning to start shipping in late October/early November, if all goes well.
Awesome, any price point so I can start saving now?
Awesome, any price point so I can start saving now?
I've heard around $2,000 for the basic model up to $2,500 for the one with optic.
Hmm, interesting. If it has a not-awful trigger, is reliable, and is accurate enough for regular service rifle standards, I'd consider buying one.
Regarding the trigger, I know it's a bullpup so I'm not expecting anything like a Geissele SSA. I just hope it's not like the FS2000's 13lb trigger that made my trigger finger feel like it just did a set of heavy weights at the gym after a 30rd mag.
Your Israeli policeman friend is not up to date on what the army is using there. The IDF is currently using, and has been using for a few years, the Tavor and the Micro-Tavor, in large numbers. See: Tavor on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavor_TAR-21). "It is the standard issued weapon of the Israeli infantry. The MTAR-21 (Micro Tavor) was recently selected as the future assault rifle of the Israeli Defense Forces, and some infantry division are being issued with the rifle, replacing the bigger and standard TAR-21."
Could be. We saw approx. 200 Soldiers during our stay, and the only thing I saw them carrying was the older A1-A2 AR type rifles. Maybe they were units in training, and not front line troops.
Sorry, but not gonna happen anytime soon.
I assume you mean the 6.8 kit.
Have you considered nitrided barrels? I know from experience they are more durable, more corrosion resistant and more accurate than chrome lined. I am not sure if they are more cost effective though.
I assume you mean the 6.8 kit.
Have you considered nitrided barrels? I know from experience they are more durable, more corrosion resistant and more accurate than chrome lined. I am not sure if they are more cost effective though.
Details?
I haven't been able to find much info about durability of hardchrome vs nitride.
H
I assume you mean the 6.8 kit.
Have you considered nitrided barrels? I know from experience they are more durable, more corrosion resistant and more accurate than chrome lined. I am not sure if they are more cost effective though.
Yes, I was referring to your wish for the 6.8.
And no, we are not considering nitrided barrels. IWI US wants to build the semi-auto for the US market in as close a configuration as possible to what they build in Israel.
BullittBoy
04-04-12, 09:16
Hello Mr. Kassnar,
Do you have information for FFL holders, where will the rifles be distributed from? What wholesalers so I can get on their list now.
Or will they all go straight from your company-thanks!
Details?
I haven't been able to find much info about durability of hardchrome vs nitride.
H
Click the links on the right on this page...
http://blacknitride.com/whatis.html
LWRC, POF, and many other AR manufacturers employ nitrided barrels. But the most famous nitrided barrel of all is the Glock Tenifer Barrels. Nitride is the Eco-Nazi less toxic US version of Tenifer.
Click the links on the right on this page...
http://blacknitride.com/whatis.html
LWRC, POF, and many other AR manufacturers employ nitrided barrels. But the most famous nitrided barrel of all is the Glock Tenifer Barrels. Nitride is the Eco-Nazi less toxic US version of Tenifer.
Yes, I understand that.
What I'm interested in in A-B comparisons of hardchromed barrels vs nitrided barrels. Multiple barrels in each configuration, same firing schedules, bore scopes and quantifiable analysis of wear and damage.
The closest I've seen is this document: www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA440938
But that's referencing artillery systems and tank guns. Some effects don't scale 100%.
H
I've heard around $2,000 for the basic model up to $2,500 for the one with optic.
I hope not. That dog won't hunt.
The Tavor is a great design but it is not TWICE as good as a quality AR. There will be guys with the EBR disease who will buy a few just like guys will buy the SCAR and HK rifles. But there is no way a $2000 5.56mm rifle will make a dent in AR sales. Honestly, I would expect them to sell below $1200 if they expect to have much commercial success in the civilian US market.
I hope not. That dog won't hunt.
The Tavor is a great design but it is not TWICE as good as a quality AR. There will be guys with the EBR disease who will buy a few just like guys will buy the SCAR and HK rifles. But there is no way a $2000 5.56mm rifle will make a dent in AR sales. Honestly, I would expect them to sell below $1200 if they expect to have much commercial success in the civilian US market.
Seriously? The only AR I ever bought for less than $1200 was my Colt CAR15-A3 I bought on dept. letterhead for $650 plus tax more than 10 years ago!!! I just bought a Barrett REC7 in 6.8 and thought I was getting a smoking deal on it at $1750.00.
$1800 seems like a reasonable starting point for the Tavor. Let the gouging dealers enjoy the laws of supply and demand initially but keep the MSRP at $1800 and I would think sales would be solid.
Yes, I understand that.
What I'm interested in in A-B comparisons of hardchromed barrels vs nitrided barrels. Multiple barrels in each configuration, same firing schedules, bore scopes and quantifiable analysis of wear and damage.
The closest I've seen is this document: www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA440938
But that's referencing artillery systems and tank guns. Some effects don't scale 100%.
H
I'm sure you could find some more info in a google search. LWRC switched from Chrome line to nitrided for some reason. Maybe they could supply some hard and fast data.
Nightvisionary
04-05-12, 06:03
I will believe it when I see it. Talks of the Tavor being sold in the US has been discussed ad nauseum for well over a decade. Barrett introduced it at the 2002 SHOT show with much fanfare. Here we are 10 years later and no Tavor.
I will believe it when I see it. Talks of the Tavor being sold in the US has been discussed ad nauseum for well over a decade. Barrett introduced it at the 2002 SHOT show with much fanfare. Here we are 10 years later and no Tavor.
My grandfather once told me to "Savor the wanting". He said that most things in life are much more exciting to want, because once you get them, they lose their luster. I'm not sure I agree with him when it comes to firearms. :D
I will believe it when I see it. Talks of the Tavor being sold in the US has been discussed ad nauseum for well over a decade. Barrett introduced it at the 2002 SHOT show with much fanfare. Here we are 10 years later and no Tavor.
Even if it's available in November I won't get one until the summer of '13.
As a wise man once told me: 'Never buy the first model year of anything more complex than a hammer.'
Sure, the Tavor has been out for years, but this one isn't the same exact rifle. Even small changes can impact reliability and function.
H
Seriously?
Seriously:
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=6920
BullittBoy
04-07-12, 09:08
Still waiting for dealer information-who will be selling these-what distributors?
Seriously:
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=6920
A couple of things: First, it is out of stock. Second, how much are you going to have to spend on that model to bring it into the 21st Century? Shipping, transfer fees, and a good stock puts you over $1,200.00.
The Tavor won't ever be able to compete on a price basis with ARs. There just isn't the economy of scale. Millions of AR parts get pumped out by lots of different factories, each competing on cost. They can compete on cost because they make lots and lots of parts, which means each part can be made cheaper.
Tavors aren't ever going to have that scale and won't ever be that cheap. Does that make them not as good as a AR? Depends on what your criteria for selection is.
H
Still waiting for dealer information-who will be selling these-what distributors?
Do they even have a factory setup yet to produce the guns? Probably get that figured out before worrying about distributors.
Still waiting for dealer information-who will be selling these-what distributors?
It is still too early to say exactly who/what companies will be stocking/selling the Tavor SA. Having said that, I would imagine the "usual suspects" will participate in the program, i.e. RSR, Davidson's, Ellett, Zander's, Acusport, etc. Whether or not there will be a Dealer Direct Program in addition to a Wholesaler Program, has yet to be decided.
More details will be available soon.
ForTehNguyen
04-08-12, 08:52
The Tavor won't ever be able to compete on a price basis with ARs. There just isn't the economy of scale. Millions of AR parts get pumped out by lots of different factories, each competing on cost. They can compete on cost because they make lots and lots of parts, which means each part can be made cheaper.
Tavors aren't ever going to have that scale and won't ever be that cheap. Does that make them not as good as a AR? Depends on what your criteria for selection is.
H
no one here is expecting them to be as cheap as ARs
no one here is expecting them to be as cheap as ARs
Honestly, I am. I would buy one in a minute if it was price competitive with a good AR. The market is full of over priced 5.56 rifles like the SCAR and anything from HK. Who cares? It is very easy to build something more expensive.
Yes, the collectors and others with the EBR disease will buy some but the TAVOR is doing nothing at $2k that a quality AR is not doing at almost half that price. Even at $1800 you can have an AR with optics and possibly some training ammunition.
Ok, time to call, who here has ever taken a professional carbine class? Do you plan to take another class? Will you take a TAVOR to your next class? I think most of the guys who are all exited about a $2k TAVOR are more casual shooters who simply want a neat gun. Nothing wrong with that but lets get real on what the market really is.
Ok, time to call, who here has ever taken a professional carbine class? Do you plan to take another class? Will you take a TAVOR to your next class? I think most of the guys who are all exited about a $2k TAVOR are more casual shooters who simply want a neat gun. Nothing wrong with that but lets get real on what the market really is.
The market is very strong for a reliable non AR 5.56 gun.
SCAR, (the then new) Steyr/sabre Aug, FS2000.
All sold for north of 1500 new.
Not everyone intends for this to replace the Colt, DD, LMT, Noveske, KAC.
This will be a fun toy that has serious uses if they wish to explore them. With the added benefit of ammo commonality.
Chris
(waiting on a different color stock myself)
Again, that is my point.
At north of $1500 it will only ever be a range toy. Guys with buy it for the CDI factor - not for serious use.
(waiting on a different color stock myself)
What colors would you like to see? Desert Tan, Flat Dark Earth, OD Green or others?
KG_mauserman
04-08-12, 12:20
Again, that is my point.
At north of $1500 it will only ever be a range toy. Guys with buy it for the CDI factor - not for serious use.
so I guess Noveske and KAC just make range toys and the IDF bought the Tavor just for looks. I think we get your point if it aint an M4 you dont want it; good for you now drive on.
As for colors... FDE please.
What colors would you like to see? Desert Tan, Flat Dark Earth, OD Green or others?
I live and shoot in the desert. Black sucks in the summer sun. Ideally the lightest color possible. I don't know if that means tan or FDE.
Chris
the TAVOR is doing nothing at $2k that a quality AR is not doing at almost half that price.
Except fitting in a 27" pack without a Form 1!
Chris
Except fitting in a 27" pack without a Form 1!
Chris
Indeed. And a very good reason to get one! I also like that bullpups handle well one hand. However, it should be price competitive with the M4. Again, $1200 rifle, add $200 for Form 1, still below $1500.
so I guess Noveske and KAC just make range toys and the IDF bought the Tavor just for looks.
I am pretty sure the IDF is paying about $1000 per TAVOR. Get that price for US civilian sales and the TAVOR will be the top selling EBR in the US. But yes, most shooters will never benefit from a $2000+ Noveske or KAC. They guys who buy these rifles buy them because them want them - not because they are getting twice the performance over a quality Colt or BCM rifle.
Anyone see a theme here? The TAVOR is not TWICE the rifle that an M4 is. Buy one if you want! But I wholly reject the idea that the TAVOR is WORTH twice what a quality AR costs.
I WILL buy one, but ONLY if it is a good value.
One of the things that keeps money in circulation these days is the reliance on idiot consumers. One of the great crimes in public education is the complete lack of economic education. Ignorance is the most expensive commodity we have:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_(economics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKL_EpnSp8
ForTehNguyen
04-08-12, 18:42
I am pretty sure the IDF is paying about $1000 per TAVOR. Get that price for US civilian sales and the TAVOR will be the top selling EBR in the US.
Where did you hear this? A US manufacturer has to essentially make this to comply with 922r rules its. BTW it sells for $2800 in Canada. Good luck with that $1000 price point
Where did you hear this? A US manufacturer has to essentially make this to comply with 922r rules its. BTW it sells for $2800 in Canada. Good luck with that $1000 price point
Good luck selling the TAVOR in the US for $2800. Yes, the fanboys will buy them but few others will.
Again, the TAVOR could be the best rifle ever and will enjoy only limited sales if it is not price competitive against the AR. Seems like I keep making this point over and over. Is anyone still confused?
Regardless of what the Israelis are paying for their Tavors, the military of any country usually pays half, or usually less, of what a gun is sold for in the civilian market. Will it hit the U.S. market at a reasonable price? Depends on what an individual thinks "reasonable" is.
Kind of reminds me of the Colt 901 that was previewed at the 2011 Shot Show. Where is it, and at what cost??
Actually, Colt sells the USGI M4 to the Army for about the same price it sells the Colt 6920 to the civilian market.
KG_mauserman
04-09-12, 14:06
"I am pretty sure the IDF is paying about $1000 per TAVOR. Get that price for US civilian sales and the TAVOR will be the top selling EBR in the US. But yes, most shooters will never benefit from a $2000+ Noveske or KAC. They guys who buy these rifles buy them because them want them - not because they are getting twice the performance over a quality Colt or BCM rifle.
Anyone see a theme here? The TAVOR is not TWICE the rifle that an M4 is. Buy one if you want! But I wholly reject the idea that the TAVOR is WORTH twice what a quality AR costs.
I WILL buy one, but ONLY if it is a good value.
One of the things that keeps money in circulation these days is the reliance on idiot consumers. One of the great crimes in public education is the complete lack of economic education. Ignorance is the most expensive commodity we have."
Dear god... Is a KAC SR15 twice the value of a colt? Is a Larue OBR three times the value of DPMS? Is a KAC SR25EMC twice as good as an OBR?
"
Dear god... Is a Larue OBR three times the value of DPMS?
Yes...
KG_mauserman
04-09-12, 15:09
Yes...
I'd much rather have an OBR and I would sure be willing to pay three times as much as a DPMS.
The price of the Tavor SA is dependent on several factors, not the least of which is what volume IWI US will want to produce. If the factory only intends to build 5,000 to 6,000 guns the first year, then it would be silly to price them at a level at which they could become the hottest selling EBR in the country. On the other hand, if they want to produce 20,000 or more guns per year, then it would make sense to get much more aggressive with the price. These types of decisions have not been made yet, though the topic has been discussed at length.
Actually, Colt sells the USGI M4 to the Army for about the same price it sells the Colt 6920 to the civilian market.
Negative, if you look up the M4 in Fedlog, its cost is listed at about $500.
Negative, if you look up the M4 in Fedlog, its cost is listed at about $500.
Really? Have you ever tried to order one in PBUSE?
The price of the Tavor SA is dependent on several factors, not the least of which is what volume IWI US will want to produce. If the factory only intends to build 5,000 to 6,000 guns the first year, then it would be silly to price them at a level at which they could become the hottest selling EBR in the country. On the other hand, if they want to produce 20,000 or more guns per year, then it would make sense to get much more aggressive with the price. These types of decisions have not been made yet, though the topic has been discussed at length.
If they make a CA compliant one, or one that can be altered to be CA compliant, Im in for one.
The price of the Tavor SA is dependent on several factors, not the least of which is what volume IWI US will want to produce. If the factory only intends to build 5,000 to 6,000 guns the first year, then it would be silly to price them at a level at which they could become the hottest selling EBR in the country. On the other hand, if they want to produce 20,000 or more guns per year, then it would make sense to get much more aggressive with the price. These types of decisions have not been made yet, though the topic has been discussed at length.
For what it's worth, here's my input:
I believe MSAR put themselves in financial trouble by flooding the market with relatively inexpensive AUG clones (I purchased my E-4 for approximately $1,200).
The inexpensive cost is why I own an MSAR. However, the inexpensive cost is also probably what put MSAR in trouble. A reasonable price would probably be $1,650-$1,800 for a TAR21.
Tough crowd on the price point for the Tavor. You guys have been spoiled by your easy access to inexpensive ARs and AKs. When they first hit Canada they were pushing $3500 with tax and factory supplied meprolight optic. The importer was backordered for months on end. The Tavors coming in now are priced around $2800, as the optic is no longer packaged with it. Given our political situation and the idiotic restrictions on our ARs, the price is reasonable as the Tavor is a "niche" firearm. Of course, the Canadian market is miniscule compared to the USA. You guys will definitely benefit from the volume discount that is sure to come your way.
The Tavor is a well made rifle, but I still prefer my Swiss Arms Classic Green "CQB" which is essentially a SIG 552. The latter is sold at a price point several hundred dollars higher than the Tavor. The SAN is a better firearm, but I wouldn't feel undergunned toting a Tavor. It's a good design, but mag changes are appreciably slower than with the AR.
Armati, you are really missing the point of the Tavor in the US. It is a collectible firearm, an interesting reference piece, and previously unavailable in the US. It will never be price competitive with the M4 in civilian sales. It will not replace the ubiquity of the M4 in LE or civilian use any more than the AUG or FS2000 did so.
It is a rifle I will buy because I want one in my personal reference collection. Because one day they will no longer be available.
FChen17213
04-11-12, 21:06
I think the big selling point would be that it is collectible and different. I don't think lots of people in the US are saying that the Tavor would be their first choice in tactical arms. If they sold British SA-80s here, lots of people would buy one as a collectible. Not many consider the SA-80 to be a great tactical weapon.
Armati, you are really missing the point of the Tavor in the US. It is a collectible firearm, an interesting reference piece, and previously unavailable in the US. It will never be price competitive with the M4 in civilian sales. It will not replace the ubiquity of the M4 in LE or civilian use any more than the AUG or FS2000 did so.
I am pretty sure TWA will not use "It is a collectible firearm, an interesting reference piece, and previously unavailable in the US. It will never be price competitive with the M4 in civilian sales" anywhere in it's marketing.
I was really hoping to own one as a useful rifle that is compact and can be handled with one hand. Saying the TAVOR is 'collectible' sort of worries me. Collectible seems to indicate that the TAVOR may not be with us long.
RogerinTPA
04-12-12, 05:55
I think the big selling point would be that it is collectible and different. I don't think lots of people in the US are saying that the Tavor would be their first choice in tactical arms. If they sold British SA-80s here, lots of people would buy one as a collectible. Not many consider the SA-80 to be a great tactical weapon.
If people did buy the SA-80, they would be the dumbest MoFos alive, and deserve to be Boned out of their money. ;)
I look at the Tavor as great bullpup option, since I have always been fascinated with them, and since the Styr Aug folks are T.U. The problem is we don't really know what kind of quality we will be getting in this export version. It may very well turn out to be the best bullpup ever made or it cold be a turd clone in the making. I'd like to get one, but I'll let others be the Beta testers for a couple of years.
I am pretty sure TWA will not use "It is a collectible firearm, an interesting reference piece, and previously unavailable in the US. It will never be price competitive with the M4 in civilian sales" anywhere in it's marketing.
I was really hoping to own one as a useful rifle that is compact and can be handled with one hand. Saying the TAVOR is 'collectible' sort of worries me. Collectible seems to indicate that the TAVOR may not be with us long.
Well that is exactly what it will be. And yes, due the the political forces I suspect we will one day see more gun bans and that availability of modern military arms will be affected. We are truly living in a second Golden Age of modern semiautomatic military rifle ownership/availability. It won't last forever. Buy them now while you can.
Just out of curiosity does the Tavor follow the M4's TDP for parts like the bolt and barrel?
Just out of curiosity does the Tavor follow the M4's TDP for parts like the bolt and barrel?
No, the bolt is closer to the AK design combned with a short stroke gas piston if I remember correctly.
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No, the bolt is closer to the AK design combned with a short stroke gas piston if I remember correctly.
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http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c56/suprathepeg/DSC_0030.jpg
Quite robust.
pbr streetgang
04-20-12, 12:56
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c56/suprathepeg/DSC_0030.jpg
Quite robust.
I agree. they are built like a tank...I have put around 5k downrange with one of my Tavors and I have yet to give it a cleaning... no FTF's or FTE's..
Venice Will
08-13-12, 16:08
ANYONE aware of a "wait list" for the Tavor-21...?
I want to add my name...IMMEDIATELY!
Thanks!
Mauser KAR98K
08-17-12, 22:00
WHEN IS THIS COMING!!!!
Israel needs more funds for the coming war. I am willing to help!
I really wanna see one up close! Seems like it will be a great seller. Funny I was in Israel for a month and expected to see one but all I saw were M4's on everyone's back.
Just a sneak peak while you wait... This is one of the first-generation Tavors released
in Canada with a shorter picatinny rail and the 15" IWI factory CTAR barrel.
http://www.nexxus.cc/images/tavor-ctar.jpg
signkutter
09-29-12, 20:59
Dear god... Is a KAC SR15 twice the value of a colt? Is a Larue OBR three times the value of DPMS? Is a KAC SR25EMC twice as good as an OBR?
Hell no. I could buy an $1800 DPMS and spend about $500 more in parts and have a rifle that will give a Larue OBR a run for its money (no pun intended) on any range and still have about 1k left over for a sweet optic.
Considering the fact that the Tavor developement and manufacture was funded in no small part by by American taxpayer dollars... why shouldnt we expect a small consideration in form of a discount?:D
Considering the fact that the Tavor developement and manufacture was funded in no small part by by American taxpayer dollars... why shouldnt we expect a small consideration in form of a discount?:D
Israeli Tavors run about $2,700 plus taxes in Canada - so you should be ecstatic with anything under $2k. :)
Hell no. I could buy an $1800 DPMS and spend about $500 more in parts and have a rifle that will give a Larue OBR a run for its money (no pun intended) on any range and still have about 1k left over for a sweet optic.
Considering the fact that the Tavor developement and manufacture was funded in no small part by by American taxpayer dollars... why shouldnt we expect a small consideration in form of a discount?:D
Is this tongue in cheek or are you being serious?
signkutter
09-30-12, 10:50
Is this tongue in cheek or are you being serious?
Half and half I guess. A DPMS SASS can be acquired for under $1800 with bidpod included and with a few mods like a trigger adustment or a Gisselle SSA trigger and an adjustable Gas block and a nice scope mount the great majority of shooters wont be able to tell the difference in performance. I have shot prone, practically clover leaf groups (.5 to .75 inch) with a SASS at 100 yards with the right ammo. I highly doubt I would be able to do any better with a Larue OBR.
I know that the details of the Larue OBR, such as the machining , the monolithic rail, the finish options, the incomparable Larue warranty service, top notch factory mags.... plus the Larue OBR will out perform the DPMS SASS in the hands of a person who has the skills and training to exploit the advantges ( I am sadly not one of these people). I also have no doubt that the Larue will prove more durable and reliable in extreme situations. So to sum it up I know that the DPMS SASS with about $500 in mods will never equal the quality of the OBR.. but I would never really feel the difference, certainly not enough to justify about $1k extra. Again this is personally speaking, I am in no way disparaging the people who have purchased a weapon like the Larue OBR, it is undoubtedly a superior crafted,performing and beautiful weapon ( I wish I could bring myself to buy one).
As far as the Tavor being developed in part with U.S taxpayer funds..The Israeli Weapons Industries was part of Israeli Military Industries which was funded in part by the 3 billion dollars a year the U.S government gives the state of Israel every year for the past like 30 years. IWI did not become a private company until 2005 and the Tavor has been a complete weapon long before that.
I know that the 3 billion a year is not directly spent on research and development but its logical to conclude that 3 billion in aid coming in frees up the same amount for other purposes. So in conclusion, yes I do believe that U.S taxpayer funds were used directly or indirectly to fund the development of the Tavor line.
Do I believe that we as Americans will get a discount because of it? No I do not , that was tongue in cheek.
(if the Tavor is under 1800 dollars, I will buy one... if only to mount this damned IWI M.A.R.S optic I bought on a whim for $400 bucks)
Hungarian_Legionnaire
10-09-12, 15:49
...Look how far the info/ production/ prototypes & now a IWI factory in the states, at the old Charles Daly location, currently manufacturing Tavor's for the release (that keeps getting pushed back) but at least there are multiple functioning production Tavor TAR-21's, like the one at the Bullpup Shoot... Who would have ever thought there would have ever been a IWI factory in the states?! The Tavor has come a long way since all the years of false hope of it coming to the states, for years... NOW it's finally a reality!
But WTF is this ugly prototype of a "Tavor"? It looks like a combination of a Tavor 21-M forend mixed with grip/ stock of a FNH F2000 or Kel Tech RFB. & it has a standard barrel, it's not threaded for muzzle brakes or flash hiders... If THAT was the Tavor that we we're going to get in the states, I'd DEFINITELY pass. :bad:
http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT_Show_2002/Day2/Dsc00522.jpg[/QUOTE]
Since that's a pic of Angela Barrett out of the wayback machine...and not Michael Kassnar...you've got old news bro.
Check the video from the shoot done by MAC for what to expect visually...or the SHOT '12 images.
Hungarian_Legionnaire
10-09-12, 18:22
...Look how far the info/ production/ prototypes & now a IWI factory in the states, at the old Charles Daly location, currently manufacturing Tavor's for the release (that keeps getting pushed back) but at least there are multiple functioning production Tavor TAR-21's, like the one at the Bullpup Shoot... Who would have ever thought there would have ever been a IWI factory in the states?! The Tavor has come a long way since all the years of false hope of it coming to the states, for years... NOW it's finally a reality!
But WTF is this ugly prototype of a "Tavor"? It looks like a combination of a Tavor 21-M forend mixed with grip/ stock of a FNH F2000 or Kel Tech RFB. & it has a standard barrel, it's not threaded for muzzle brakes or flash hiders... If THAT was the Tavor that we we're going to get in the states, I'd DEFINITELY pass. :bad:
http://www.gunblast.com/images/SHOT_Show_2002/Day2/Dsc00522.jpg[/QUOTE]
Since that's a pic of Angela Barrett out of the wayback machine...and not Michael Kassnar...you've got old news bro.
Check the video from the shoot done by MAC for what to expect visually...or the SHOT '12 images.
You're incorrect there bra', I know this is Angela Barrett holding what WAS going to be the civvi Tavor for the US back at SHOT Show 02', before it fell threw, I am a friend of Michael Kassnar, I saw & held the current production Tavor TAR-21 FlatTop at Shot SHOW 2012, & shot it at The 2012 Bullpup Shoot, by BullpupForum, where Michael made an unexpected appearance with a production TAR-21 FlatTop, letting people shoot a mag or two threw it & do short initial reviews. "old news" is a joke, I've been on top of everything that has been going on with the Tavor before I went to join La Légion Étrangčre, following it threw my 5 years of service to France, checking online every time I had Leave. And now 2 years after leaving the 2eREP, still following it & it's always a plus when you are Ex Legionnaire who has been using a FAMAS F-1 for the last 5 years training & taking two vacations to "LaStan" where weapon systems are really put to the test, when something like this is coming in to the states, you end up with friends in high places making things happen & knowing much more than the average civvi.
My comment RE: the photo from the Barrett booth @ SHOT 02', was simply a joke as to how ugly of a "Tavor" the states would have ended up with had it not fallen through, thankfully... Because I post a picture as a joke & mention in my comment:
...Look how far the info/ production/ prototypes & now a IWI factory in the states, at the old Charles Daly location, currently manufacturing Tavor's for the release So I obviously know "a thing or two" about what's going on with the current production & variations of the Tavor, I don't need you trying to 1-up me on "Tavor knowledge" with some smart ass comment.
- István
KG_mauserman
10-09-12, 18:58
lighten up francis
while I'm not gonna post my DD214 or tell you who my cool guy friends are I think it looks kind of cool.
and I'm still trying to figure out the joke but then again I never got the whole Jerry Lewis thing either.
I'm seriously thinking of getting one of these when they come out, but I'll wait and see the reviews from the first batch before commiting.
Uh...OK...might I suggest decaf bro...
...and if I took it that you had bad info, chances are others did to...so your "joke" didn't land on target...
you're back in the states my man.....drink a warm glass of milk and buy a kitten or something...you're def wound a little tight!! IMO......:blink:
Hungarian_Legionnaire
10-10-12, 12:00
Uh...OK...might I suggest decaf bro...
...and if I took it that you had bad info, chances are others did to...so your "joke" didn't land on target...
It was a reference RE: what WAS going to come, being so ugly & looking noting like the Tavor TAR-21 we will soon be getting in 2013. I don't drink coffee, like I said I don't appreciate the smart ass comment, that's all.
Hungarian_Legionnaire
10-10-12, 12:05
you're back in the states my man.....drink a warm glass of milk and buy a kitten or something...you're def wound a little tight!! IMO......:blink:
I've been back in the states for almost 2 years, I have a touch of PTSD, but you're right I should control my anger issues, (i'm working on it with psychologist).
Hungarian_Legionnaire
10-10-12, 12:44
lighten up francis
while I'm not gonna post my DD214 or tell you who my cool guy friends are I think it looks kind of cool.
and I'm still trying to figure out the joke but then again I never got the whole Jerry Lewis thing either.
I'm seriously thinking of getting one of these when they come out, but I'll wait and see the reviews from the first batch before commiting.
I'm NOT French, I'm Hungarian, serving in La Légion Etrangčre, does not make one French, also it's called The French Foreign Legion, as in foreigners serving France. Over 131+ different nationalities of Legionnaires... Although almost all Sous Officers & Generals of La Légion, including the General I served under; Divisional General: Alain Bouquin, who is now Ret. are all French (joining as a civvi of another French speaking country). Then becoming Legionnaires, since no French civvies are technically allowed to join La Légion Etrangčre.
...Also I didn't tell who my "cool guy friends are", as if I'm special for befriending someone, I simply said I was friends with the person "Kafir" mentioned, so of course I would not have intel on the Tavor from 2002.
& you should DEFIANTLY get the Tavor, if you even like bullpups a little, you will love this one.
Egy masik Magyar itt.:o. I find the Tavor interesting but I'd rather get more Magyar ak63d and e rifles in the states from FEG.
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Hungarian_Legionnaire
10-10-12, 22:06
Egy masik Magyar itt.:o. I find the Tavor interesting but I'd rather get more Magyar ak63d and e rifles in the states from FEG.
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Beszél Magyar? Szeretem a Magyar FÉG Gépkarabély SA 85M, best AK variant I have ever owned, made my home town Budapest at Fegyver És Gépgyár, it's unfortunate that they shut down, they have been manufacturing firearms & other things from car parts to lamps, from 1891-2004.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d131/civiceg6/FGSA85M.jpg
My nagyapa was a szalonka in the Magyar Honvédség & fought in the 1956 Hungarian Revolution agents the Orosz using a M/52 made by FÉG or modified by them, I still have the Hungarian M/52 with PU scope & "FÉG" stamp on the shank of the original Soviet M91/30 shank... My apa & I both served in the Magyar Honvédség (Hungarian Defense Force). My family has a proud surname in Hungary, I miss home man, where are you from?
- István
Father is a 56er also...broke out of zakaegerszeg borton and then fought in the streets until it was over.
Elek budapesten most..my wife is Hungarian going to medical school..im retired army medically disabled 13 yrs 2 tours.
I have several FEG's from preban Kassnars to KBI's and SBR's and also AMD-65. Had a PKM briefly but sold it for a song.
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/prdubi/Magyar%20Fegyver/20120305_153238.jpg
My AMD 65 SBR
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Father is from Tatabanya..I was born in states mother is from Fulup szigetek..born in los angeles..went to school in JATE Szeged from 1991 to 1995, did conscript honvedseg service in 90 or so...no such thing as free education. Csalad nev lengyel van but we've been in Hungary proper since 1400.
Nagyapam vitez volt...
I'm not enjoying living here because I can't go shooting until I get my citizenship and residency visa first and it is month 5 out of 6. The only shooters here are arrogant lawyers and snobby tier 1 operators who did service in Astan and Iraq and nevermind that I did two tours myself in my unit with the Corp of Engineers, they are not impressed. There is this behavior and snobbery that only special enlightened people can own guns here in Hungary. This is no different than what my dad left back in 1956. I go to the gun shops and all I see are lawyers, doctors, and soldiers and policemen and I show them what I have back home in Oregon and they are shocked that an ORDINARY citizen can own such weapons. The atmosphere is changing and being in the EU you can get all kinds of stuff but the poison of the communist and socialist past is sickening.
Talking with friends who are here, none of them are into guns or want anything to do with it, so much ****en brainwashing with stuff. With most being happy that FEG is closed. Nevermind that every country surrounding Hungary is making guns, from Serbia with ZASTAVA, CZ with Czech, Croatia with that special whatever pistol selling from Springfeld, Slovenia with their 50 caliber, Slovakia with their special pistol, all except hungary....they got a 50 caliber bullpup but talking with the manufacturer, he has no interest in importing to the states.
PERSONALLY, SZERINTEM, its gonna taken another 50 yrs to wash the scum of communist from Hungary...
Continuing on with the TAVOR I wish it success.
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Failure2Stop
11-27-12, 23:34
Stop.
Both of you.
Now.
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Stop.
Both of you.
Now.
Typos brought to you via Tapatalk and autocorrect.
thanks!! I was about to "be that guy," but thankfully you stepped in.
~~On a side note anyone that is interested in getting one of these firearms should check out the Bullpup forums. Apparently one of the moderators has a pretty good relationship with someone from Tavor, and is trying to arrange a Group Buy.
I really like what I've seen about this weapon. Looks pretty solid IMO, and I've been wanting to get my hands on a Bullpup for a long time. I have been considering the Kel Tec, but limited supplies and price gouging has turned me off tremendously. I really like the fact that the Tavor will eventually be available with a left-hand bolt. That's incredible!!! Hopefully they'll release an OD Green version because I have a creepy obsession with my firearms to be in OD Green.
TV-PressPass
11-28-12, 13:35
When I get worked up over the silly things said on forums (and lets face it there are a lot of them) I go and shoot my Tavor a bunch :D
http://youtu.be/I-29Gz5zR18
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8482/8180396741_d234392edb.jpg (http://tv-presspass.com/sending-out-feelers/)
Hungarian_Legionnaire
11-28-12, 15:03
I really like what I've seen about this weapon. Looks pretty solid IMO, and I've been wanting to get my hands on a Bullpup for a long time. I have been considering the Kel Tec, but limited supplies and price gouging has turned me off tremendously. I really like the fact that the Tavor will eventually be available with a left-hand bolt. That's incredible!!! Hopefully they'll release an OD Green version because I have a creepy obsession with my firearms to be in OD Green.
Have you considered the Steyr AUG A3/ AUG CQC? It's a great time tested Austrian combat rifle that has/ still is currently in use several Militaries/ Special Forces & LE/ SWAT groups around the world around the world, including the U.S. DHS (ICE) & (CBP). Also the AUG A3 comes in OD & is available with a left hand bolt, if you don't already have one, it sound like just what your looking for. (But of course the Tavor TAR-21 will be the latest bullpup that everyone already wants) TWA President Michael Kassnar has already confirmed a FDE Tavor & a left hand bolt, but I don't think that or different barrel lengths will be available until sometime after the Tavor has been released.
Hungarian_Legionnaire
11-28-12, 15:45
When I get worked up over the silly things said on forums (and lets face it there are a lot of them) I go and shoot my Tavor a bunch :D
Shooting is a great stress relief, but I or any other service man or woman who is or has served in the armed forces, would NOT consider it "silly" to "get worked" up over someone trying to disgrace/ dishonor the scarifies of ANY veteran or non veterans Military service, regardless of what countries Military ones served in.
I am now finally seeing Tavor interest all over, no one can stop talking about it.
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(But of course the Tavor TAR-21 will be the latest bullpup that everyone already wants
I was considering one for quite a bit, but then I started reading about the Tavor. The 12 year old in me wants the latest cool toy that's coming out. :D I'd love to eventually get one of each so I can brag about having all of them.
TacticalTyler
12-03-12, 08:06
Not to be "that guy" but any release date for the tavor? I just keep seeing December? Anyone actually have one in their hands yet?
Not to be "that guy" but any release date for the tavor? I just keep seeing December? Anyone actually have one in their hands yet?
Latest word is end of 1st QTR 2013 so looking at late Feb/Mar 2013 timeframe.People did get opportunity to shoot it at the Bullpup Shoot in Oct in KY (not me since I didn't go). Actual pictures of different model are out on various Forums and RSR is now carrying in their catalog for dealers to order.
TacticalTyler
12-03-12, 08:28
Cool thanks! Just in time for my birthday! Lol might have to get myself a birthday present!
Very nice information posted so far. Another forum someone posted the specific models that are coming, and I was sad to see that the left handed model isn't available in FDE. But I'm curious as to if they plan on releasing just the left hand bolts so we can convert the standard ones ourselves.
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tag to find later and get updates.
Very nice information posted so far. Another forum someone posted the specific models that are coming, and I was sad to see that the left handed model isn't available in FDE. But I'm curious as to if they plan on releasing just the left hand bolts so we can convert the standard ones ourselves.
Sent from my iPhone located on the planet Hoth.
Left hand bolts will be available for after-market sale early on.
Hungarian_Legionnaire
12-04-12, 01:01
Very nice information posted so far. Another forum someone posted the specific models that are coming, and I was sad to see that the left handed model isn't available in FDE. But I'm curious as to if they plan on releasing just the left hand bolts so we can convert the standard ones ourselves.
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Could you post a link to the other forum please, I'm VERY anxious to see what specific models of the Tavor TAR-21 are coming out:happy:
Could you post a link to the other forum please, I'm VERY anxious to see what specific models of the Tavor TAR-21 are coming out:happy:
Here you go.
http://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=1350.0
Left hand bolts will be available for after-market sale early on.
Thanks!!! That's fantastic news.
Could you post a link to the other forum please, I'm VERY anxious to see what specific models of the Tavor TAR-21 are coming out:happy:
Someone beat me to it, but I wasn't sure if we're allowed to post links to other forums when they have sales links.
Very interesting. I followed this link. http://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=1350.0
The photos were helpful. I first thought why would anyone want the 18" then I saw something that made me smile, is that a bayonet lug on the 18" bbl?
Very interesting. I followed this link. http://bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=1350.0
The photos were helpful. I first thought why would anyone want the 18" then I saw something that made me smile, is that a bayonet lug on the 18" bbl?
Correct the 18" version does come with a "evil" bayonet lug. I am going with the 16.5" barrel because I don't plan on mounting any bayonet charges and figure just owning a Tavor is enough to PO the liberals. :dance3:
Correct the 18" version does come with a "evil" bayonet lug. I am going with the 16.5" barrel because I don't plan on mounting any bayonet charges and figure just owning a Tavor is enough to PO the liberals. :dance3:
I wouldn't get the 18" either it just made me smile to see it as an option!:dance3:
ForTehNguyen
01-30-13, 18:11
nice video from Funker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGTuPmZ21r0
TurretGunner
01-31-13, 06:39
The Vortex 1-6 is a great optic to pair with this.
Some of the boys in CAN that have had tavors for a few years are running them with great results.
TV-PressPass
01-31-13, 09:30
The Vortex 1-6 is a great optic to pair with this.
Some of the boys in CAN that have had tavors for a few years are running them with great results.
Yes. Yes we are :D
Vortex Razor 1-6 on a Tavor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9sTU_yVU2o)
http://distilleryimage5.s3.amazonaws.com/e766e0fc68eb11e2aaa222000a1fb843_7.jpg
I want this one:
TAVOR SAR "IDF" Model with 16.5" Barrel + Mepro-21 Reflex Sight
But with a full top rail like the FDE model and no Mepro sight...
It seems like that would be their best seller - I wonder why it isn't included in the lineup.
TV-PressPass
01-31-13, 09:42
Uhh, I'm pretty sure it is Shao.
You're asking for:
Black.
16.5" barrel.
Full Flattop Rail.
Correct?
MSRP is $1999 on that guy.
Uhh, I'm pretty sure it is Shao.
You're asking for:
Black.
16.5" barrel.
Full Flattop Rail.
Correct?
MSRP is $1999 on that guy.
Oh yeah, how did I miss that???? I'm an idiot... Looks like I'll be on the list to buy one...
TV-PressPass
01-31-13, 12:25
They didn't post it in the pictures. But there were lots of that variant at Shot Show ;)
Buy one! You'll like it a lot.
http://i.imgur.com/2JdG2UB.jpg
TurretGunner
01-31-13, 17:58
I want this one:
TAVOR SAR "IDF" Model with 16.5" Barrel + Mepro-21 Reflex Sight
But with a full top rail like the FDE model and no Mepro sight...
It seems like that would be their best seller - I wonder why it isn't included in the lineup.
The full rail wont work with the IDF model.
Better off getting the one you want and just buying a mepro to throw on top. The IDF ones looks like it has some shitty sights and the sight radius to too small.
Achilles11B
02-01-13, 22:32
A bullpup for us lefties, I love it. I'd like to handle it before dropping $2K though.
The full rail wont work with the IDF model.
Better off getting the one you want and just buying a mepro to throw on top. The IDF ones looks like it has some shitty sights and the sight radius to too small.
The full rail can work with the IDF model if you have the corresponding gastube that is used with the full rail model.
Larry Vickers
02-03-13, 19:48
We plan on having the Tavor on TacTV this year and personally I can't wait - I shot one and spent some time checking it out in Canada last year and I would say it is probably the best Bullpup I have ever fired
Really looking forward to shaking one out big time
Larry will it be select fire?
Still very interested in seeing these hit the market. It's good to hear that things are progressing in the right direction.
Larry Vickers
02-03-13, 22:05
No the Tavor(s) for the show will be semi auto
No post samples are available yet
Why is this taking so long. How many are gonna be released.
5??? 10? 15?
I'm done with this thread....this excitement and anxiety for waiting on this is killing me.
:(
I look forward to your review. Thanks for the heads up.
Boy, I need to get my hands on one of these.
IWI posted on their FB page a picture of a rack containing 45 production Black Tavors awaiting test firing. :secret: Now just need to post the FDE ones.
They better have a lot more than that ready for test firing. I'm already on two pre-order lists.
TV-PressPass
02-05-13, 10:59
New page on the Tavor thread deserves a new picture right?
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8500/8445404999_0547959f47_h.jpg
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