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nickdrak
01-22-12, 23:52
I saw a few pics posted by Titleist on his DART FB page of a new rail Noveske willbe releasing. Looks super slick. I need one! Anyone have any more info????

From the pics Titleist posted on his FB page it looks like the NSR rail was on display at the AAC booth. Im not sure if Noveske had a booth @ Shot.

Javelin
01-23-12, 00:15
Pics or it didn't happen!

nickdrak
01-23-12, 00:31
The pics are property of DART/Titleist, so hopefully he will come along to post them here....

Pax
01-23-12, 00:34
Only article I could find. You may have seen it already. No info on availability timeline.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/01/18/noveske-nsr-11/

Titleist
01-23-12, 00:38
Nick you can post them if you want. But thanks for asking first:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7155/6723126101_b34cae5f2a_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6723125689_dd7b7896ca_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7009/6723125995_07e0d669e8_b.jpg

Javelin
01-23-12, 00:44
Those are nice! Very Very Nice!

Thanks!

:D

Javelin
01-23-12, 00:47
Other thoughts -

*I wish John would modify them so as to allow a Switch Block to be placed inside the rails. Maybe they will who knows.

:confused: :big_boss:

nickdrak
01-23-12, 00:50
Excellent! Thanks for posting them up dude!

Mark71
01-23-12, 00:50
That is a great looking rail!

BUBBAGUNS
01-23-12, 01:29
I want one!

nickdrak
01-23-12, 01:55
I hope they release it in 13" & 15" lengths.

M4Fundi
01-23-12, 03:08
Finally:D

Do we know weight?

This is supposed to be an entire "system"... any more photos or explanations on the "system", what attachments and how they attach?

Is it meant to be combat worthy or just competition worthy?

I am very interested in this!!!:)

trinydex
01-23-12, 03:30
Still giving me reasons to love them.

Cold
01-23-12, 07:11
I hope they release it in 13" & 15" lengths.

I have a feeling they will ;) .
Wait till you see the 16" NSR thats going to be on one or our new NST 3 Gun rifles. Sweet is all I can say. Will post some pics when they arrive.

Cold
01-23-12, 07:13
Finally:D

Do we know weight?

This is supposed to be an entire "system"... any more photos or explanations on the "system", what attachments and how they attach?

Is it meant to be combat worthy or just competition worthy?

I am very interested in this!!!:)

Knowing how the NSR installs, its very combat worthy and was designed with that in mind like all of Noveske's products. It is built for battle.
As for the system, the "key mod" system will have a full line of accessories for it like QC cups, bi pod studs, off set sights, etc all which mount directly into the key hole. It is a very slick design.
As far as weight, lighter than the TRX E in the same length. We should have one of these on a rifle you can check out in April at the TX multigun if you want to see it.

nickdrak
01-23-12, 11:07
I have a feeling they will ;) .
Wait till you see the 16" NSR thats going to be on one or our new NST 3 Gun rifles. Sweet is all I can say. Will post some pics when they arrive.

Straight-up boner worthy!

mtdawg169
01-23-12, 11:28
Are these being made in-house by Noveske? Also, would love to see the barrel nut & attachment method.

Tootsies
01-23-12, 11:50
Can you bring one to the TX 3 gun class? Im really interested in one of these.

Stickman
01-23-12, 11:54
Knowing how the NSR installs, its very combat worthy and was designed with that in mind like all of Noveske's products. It is built for battle.
As for the system, the "key mod" system will have a full line of accessories for it like QC cups, bi pod studs, off set sights, etc all which mount directly into the key hole. It is a very slick design.
As far as weight, lighter than the TRX E in the same length.


Sounds about right. I've got one sitting next to me right now if I can answer any other questions.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/noveske-nsr-11-rail/IMG_0775-A-1100-MT.jpg

Boss Hogg
01-23-12, 12:21
I saw one at the AAC booth. It looks great and is incredibly slim. Thermal dynamics tell me that the proximity to the gas block is going to cause the use of gloves......

Cold
01-23-12, 12:56
I saw one at the AAC booth. It looks great and is incredibly slim. Thermal dynamics tell me that the proximity to the gas block is going to cause the use of gloves......

There is a heat shield accessory as well. It is a stand alone part that can be added if the user so requires. This is the most modular rail I have seen yet.

Eurodriver
01-23-12, 12:56
Does anyone know what brand Mike's sweater vests are?

nml
01-23-12, 13:11
So is this the first "modular" rail where you can mount a vfg or hand stop properly flush (assuming they come out with their own)?

All the others I've seen (Troy/VTAC, DD, Geissele) you of course must attach rail sections first, so unless you rail the whole bottom it's always going to have bit of a drop off. Let me know if this makes sense or if there is already something out there like that. I've only ever used quad rails but new stuff always sparks my interest.

Todd.K
01-23-12, 14:02
User installed heat shield.

Panels that attach directly.

Rail sections without fighting backing plates.

It's more than just a handguard and a lot of thought went into the details.

It installs in the same way as our SWS rail (not interchangable bolt pattern) so it has a long barrel nut for support.

trinydex
01-23-12, 14:03
So is this the first "modular" rail where you can mount a vfg or hand stop properly flush (assuming they come out with their own)?

All the others I've seen (Troy/VTAC, DD, Geissele) you of course must attach rail sections first, so unless you rail the whole bottom it's always going to have bit of a drop off. Let me know if this makes sense or if there is already something out there like that. I've only ever used quad rails but new stuff always sparks my interest.

My handstop from mount n slot sits flush on my troy vtac

d90king
01-23-12, 14:12
WOW! That looks great! Glad to see Noveske coming out with this type of rail/tube to go along with their outstanding barrels and new lower.

This is going to be a very expensive year for me. :ph34r:

nml
01-23-12, 14:42
My handstop from mount n slot sits flush on my troy vtacGot it, hadn't seen those before if this is what you meant: http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/weapon-control-mount/ Your rail must be different than the Troy I've seen: http://troyind.com/wp-content/uploads/Troy-VTAC-BattleRail-Alpha-8.jpg. Not sure what you could do for mounting in that case but glad yours works well. IIR I'll just check another time to see if there are any vfg options for the Noveske down the road. The keyhole mounting on the Noveske offers a lot of positioning options.

Todd.K
01-23-12, 16:15
We plan on making a panel section with handstop built in.

No VFG design yet.

nml
01-23-12, 17:21
Thanks Todd, yeah I can understand doing VFGs might be a pain. Some will want tall, some short, slot for insight switch, slot for surefire switch and so on :p

chavez_e_chavez
01-23-12, 17:55
any time line when launched to Gen pop??

Todd.K
01-23-12, 19:24
No dates yet but everything is close to being production ready. We should have more info going up on the website soon.

M4Fundi
01-23-12, 20:31
Will be checking daily;) Thanks Todd

PlatoCATM
01-23-12, 20:41
Any plans for an FSP model?

hori
01-23-12, 20:43
will these rails be available forsale to all or only on completed uppers?

TonyTacoma
01-23-12, 22:06
Any plans for an FSP model?

Oh I hope so

Todd.K
01-23-12, 22:14
No FSR models are planned right now.

They will be available as a component.

cop1211
01-24-12, 01:43
Sounds about right. I've got one sitting next to me right now if I can answer any other questions.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/noveske-nsr-11-rail/IMG_0775-A-1100-MT.jpg

Is that a 13 inch rail and a 14.5 inch barrel?

nml
01-24-12, 02:58
Maybe 11" rail on a 12.5"

Stickman
01-24-12, 13:50
Maybe 11" rail on a 12.5"



You nailed it, this upper is part of the Military Times 300BLK upper and ammo review we are doing.

SMGLee
01-24-12, 17:02
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss12/huge/P1080034.jpg
Noveske's new rail. this rail is not a standard install piece, it will require it to be purchased as a upper or a hole drilled in the upper receiver to instll the anti rotation pin.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss12/huge/P1080037.jpg
Notice the anti rotation pin above the gas tube.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss12/huge/P1080029.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss12/huge/P1080031.jpg
locking lugs on the accessory piece that locks into the rail.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss12/huge/P1080040.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss12/huge/P1080042.jpg

ryu_sekai
01-24-12, 17:12
in case i missed it, the rail alone will be for sale without buying complete upper right?

ryu_sekai
01-24-12, 17:26
Sounds about right. I've got one sitting next to me right now if I can answer any other questions.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/noveske-nsr-11-rail/IMG_0775-A-1100-MT.jpg

Is it thinner than the TRX extreme? The TRX is 1.74" i believe.

Todd.K
01-24-12, 17:31
1.48" wide.

We do plan to sell it individually.

ryu_sekai
01-24-12, 17:35
1.48" wide.

We do plan to sell it individually.

SMG Lee mentioned it will need to have a hole drilled in the upper. Will the production rail work with my BCM upper?

Skang
01-24-12, 17:41
Looking at the bolt pattern, it might be same as current SWS rail barrel nut?

I hope so.

SMGLee
01-24-12, 17:46
SMG Lee mentioned it will need to have a hole drilled in the upper. Will the production rail work with my BCM upper?

From my understanding, you will need to have that pin hole drilled into your BCM upper.

Todd.K
01-24-12, 18:14
If you want the "anti rotation" it will need the hole drilled. The mounting style is secure enough without it, and really the whole anti rotation came about from some people who didn't tighten and or use thread locker.

The barrel nut is different. Lighter and the bolt pattern had to be changed.

ryu_sekai
01-24-12, 18:15
If you want the "anti rotation" it will need the hole drilled. The mounting style is secure enough without it, and really the whole anti rotation came about from some people who didn't tighten and or use thread locker.

The barrel nut is different. Lighter and the bolt pattern had to be changed.

Sounds good to me :D. Put me down for a 13 incher!

Skang
01-25-12, 00:05
Too bad I can't use SWS barrel nut, then I have to spend another $38 to buy SWS wrench to remove it. :(

But, can't wait till they release it. :) Hope price is right.

ColdDeadHands
01-25-12, 00:35
1.48" wide.

We do plan to sell it individually.

When?

Skang
01-25-12, 01:19
When?

Read the page two, I should have read it before post. :o

ColdDeadHands
01-25-12, 01:23
Read the page two, I should have read it before post. :o

My bad, although I think Todd is talking about complete rifles or uppers on page 2.

Skang
01-25-12, 02:38
My bad, although I think Todd is talking about complete rifles or uppers on page 2.

He said available as component too.

Todd.K
01-25-12, 11:55
I don't have details on when but I do know it will be sold individually.

M4Fundi
01-25-12, 15:25
Do we have any weight info on these rails to release yet?

Todd.K
01-25-12, 16:40
The 11" prototype is right at 10oz.

rob_s
01-25-12, 16:46
The 11" prototype is right at 10oz.

Including barrel nut and all mounting screws?

Todd.K
01-25-12, 18:21
Yes. Our barrel nut is still heavier than a GI so it could have been a few oz lighter but keeping the barrel nut over 2" long for support was a feature we did not want to give up.

d90king
01-25-12, 18:39
Yes. Our barrel nut is still heavier than a GI so it could have been a few oz lighter but keeping the barrel nut over 2" long for support was a feature we did not want to give up.

Rightfully so IMHO.

This rail really looks like a home run for a variety of reasons. Outstanding job! Profile, mounting solution, weight, lengths, quality, the flat bottom was a nice touch and it will be nice with the integral hand stop that is in the works.

I will be replacing my VTAC on my 14.5 Noveske with the rail for a number of reasons. Please keep us posted on when I can expect to pick up a 13".

Nevermiss
01-25-12, 20:54
Great to see this as an option and good timing. With LaRue, Troy, Wilson Combat and KAC making lightweight rails systems for a while, I was wondering if Noveske would come up with their own or just continue to offer build options with the Troy rails.

Good choice!

narphenal
01-26-12, 11:02
Will it be available in other lengths?

Todd.K
01-26-12, 20:01
More info and planned accesories are up on the website.
http://noveskerifleworks.com/imimg/nsrhg_4.jpg

http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=nsrhg&cat=&page=1&search=&since=45&status=&title=

nickdrak
01-26-12, 20:47
SAWEEET!

narphenal
01-26-12, 20:58
Definitely going to pick up a 9".

I'm glad I held out on parts for my SBR build.

Skang
01-30-12, 23:35
Read it from AR15


NSR 11" Retail is $245

SteveL
01-31-12, 19:09
Very interesting. It appears to remedy the complaints (more like inconveniences) I have with my TRX Extreme.

MistWolf
01-31-12, 22:58
Shouldn't the keyholes be cut with large end forward? That way when you pull back on what you mount on the handguard, it pulls tight into the narrow slot, locking it into place.

Handguard looks like a good design otherwise

rob_s
02-01-12, 05:59
Shouldn't the keyholes be cut with large end forward? That way when you pull back on what you mount on the handguard, it pulls tight into the narrow slot, locking it into place.

Handguard looks like a good design otherwise

It appears to me that it doesn't matter as the covers will be locked into place at either end.

SteveL
02-01-12, 09:27
Shouldn't the keyholes be cut with large end forward? That way when you pull back on what you mount on the handguard, it pulls tight into the narrow slot, locking it into place.

Handguard looks like a good design otherwise


It appears to me that it doesn't matter as the covers will be locked into place at either end.

I had assumed the keyholes are oriented the way they are to account for recoil.

BAC
02-01-12, 12:41
This interests me and will likely be my next handguard. How is deflection (flex) compared to similar rails?


-B

Todd.K
02-01-12, 19:43
Shouldn't the keyholes be cut with large end forward? That way when you pull back on what you mount on the handguard, it pulls tight into the narrow slot, locking it into place.


The accessories are designed with lugs to take recoil and bolt closing.

The panels will lock in much the same as many current rail panels lock into a slot on the Pic rail.

SteveL
02-01-12, 20:06
The accessories are designed with lugs to take recoil and bolt closing.

The panels will lock in much the same as many current rail panels lock into a slot on the Pic rail.

I know this is a trivial thing, but will the rail itself be available only in black?

M4Fundi
02-02-12, 04:51
Knowing how the NSR installs, its very combat worthy and was designed with that in mind like all of Noveske's products. It is built for battle.
As for the system, the "key mod" system will have a full line of accessories for it like QC cups, bi pod studs, off set sights, etc all which mount directly into the key hole. It is a very slick design.
As far as weight, lighter than the TRX E in the same length. We should have one of these on a rifle you can check out in April at the TX multigun if you want to see it.

Definitely want to see it and look forward to seeing you in TX. Hope NST is doing well :)

HELLABEN
02-03-12, 02:57
those keyholes look similar to the ones on the accuracy international AX rifles. . ...

i like it, definately going to buy one of these

Todd.K
02-03-12, 11:26
I know this is a trivial thing, but will the rail itself be available only in black?

I don't know of any plans to make them in any other colors.

SteveL
02-03-12, 11:32
I don't know of any plans to make them in any other colors.

Thanks for the follow-up.

AggiePhil
02-06-12, 21:20
Switchblock version?

Todd.K
02-06-12, 21:28
We are not working on a longer NSR for a Switchblock at this time.

AggiePhil
02-06-12, 21:51
We are not working on a longer NSR for a Switchblock at this time.

Darn. That'd be awesome if y'all did.

Skang
02-07-12, 02:37
So still no ETA?

WS6
02-07-12, 07:21
If you want the "anti rotation" it will need the hole drilled. The mounting style is secure enough without it, and really the whole anti rotation came about from some people who didn't tighten and or use thread locker.

The barrel nut is different. Lighter and the bolt pattern had to be changed.

Does Noveske use Threadlocker on their barrel nuts on factory builds? Minimum tq spec? What? (Is it the same/does it differ for Vltor VIS builds and SWS rail builds)?

new rail looks awesome! I hear Noveske and Vltor might be teaming up to offer a VIS?

gibbens89
02-07-12, 19:18
Any updates on when it will be available? I check daily....only to be disappointed. Also, has the price been determined yet?

Todd.K
02-07-12, 19:21
Barrel nuts are not installed with threadlocker. Torque is the normal amount used on barrel nuts.

The screws that attach or clamp the rail to the barrel nut should have threadlocker.

WS6
02-07-12, 20:56
Barrel nuts are not installed with threadlocker. Torque is the normal amount used on barrel nuts.

The screws that attach or clamp the rail to the barrel nut should have threadlocker.

I misunderstood, and you have cleared that up for me. I had always thought Moly grease was used and was very confused. Thank-you!

Pilgrim
02-07-12, 21:10
To be honest, at first glance I was taken aback a bit buy how the NSR looks... but 3 minutes into reading this thread it has already grown on me.

Here I am about to order a Rouge Hunter upper.... then I see this!

Good job being innovative.

Kfgk14
02-07-12, 23:38
$245 MSRP was the rumor on TOS, any idea on street price?

BTW I'm seriously digging this rail.

On the mounting bolts, will that be blue loc-tite? My understanding was that blue loc-tite becomes a lubricant at high temperature, will extensive rapid fire heat the rail up enough for it to be an issue?

Thanks.

DC3
02-08-12, 01:10
not too bad..

badness
02-08-12, 05:28
will this rail be compatible with any piston system with low profile gas block (lwrc)

Todd.K
02-08-12, 11:14
I don't have pricing yet, not sure where that came from or how close it is.

Low temp threadlocker is used on the mounting screws and hold up fine.

We didn't design the NSR for any piston system. I don't know what will or won't fit of the piston designs.

fallenromeo
02-08-12, 11:19
Will the new stripped uppers that we can buy from vendors like Rainier arms have the hole drilled in the upper for the anti-rotation?

Skang
02-08-12, 14:12
Will the new stripped uppers that we can buy from vendors like Rainier arms have the hole drilled in the upper for the anti-rotation?

No, It's a Noveske (Vltor) model only.

9DivDoc
02-08-12, 16:30
Is the upper "re-anodized" after the hole is drilled or is the hole drilled
prior to anodizing?

tia

Todd.K
02-08-12, 20:10
The MUR we use are made with the hole, so it's before anodize. None of our M4 uppers have it right now.

curlyburns5
02-11-12, 04:00
i'm really excited about these. they will be perfect for my bcm 14.5 lw middy. I cant wait to have a rail that i can actually fit my panda hand completely around out front to help me really drive the gun like i want to. plus the attachment feature that requires no disasembly of the rail to add attachments such as a hand stop or vfg or extral rail pannel sections is a big plus for me. I'm completely sold. these will definitly be my gift to myself for when i finish the mcat this spring.I'm wondering if the rail will come with instructions on drilling the upper receiver hole that's required?

LowSpeed_HighDrag
02-11-12, 09:21
I'm generally content with my IWC MOE HG's, but the NSR may finally push me into a rail. The NSR, combined with a LW BBL and KAC BUIS may be my grail setup.

J_Dub_503
02-21-12, 13:57
This is exactly what I've been looking for. I was just going to use a Mid-length MOE on my BCM build until I found the right handguard...This seems to fit the bill perfectly though. :happy:

Waylander
02-21-12, 17:17
The MUR we use are made with the hole, so it's before anodize. None of our M4 uppers have it right now.

I'm liking this rail.
Will it be sold with the pin or without? If it's available with the pin, is there a template or jig that can be used to drill the hole in a different upper? If not, is the pin removable?

Thanks

Todd.K
02-21-12, 20:31
I don't think they will come with the pin. There is a hole in the rail and the upper, the pin just sits halfway in each.

Orange-Fox
02-22-12, 04:34
I have a couple questions.

1. Whats the width with rails attached on both sides?

2. Can anything be mounted at the 1:30, 4:30, 7:30 & 10:30 o'clock slots or was the capability deemed unnecessary?

3. I presume that the polymer components are being fabricated by TangoDown if so will they have a texture like there SCAR panels?

4. Will the KeyMod specs be available to other accessory makers, i.e. MagPul, IWC or will it remain proprietary?

5. Anything in th KeyMod VIS rumor?

Thanks.

Skang
02-22-12, 17:16
I don't think they will come with the pin. There is a hole in the rail and the upper, the pin just sits halfway in each.

Just like current SWS rail.

The hole location is same as SWS rail, correct? So I can just swap barrel nut and rail with current Vltor upper that has SWS rail?

SteveL
02-24-12, 10:28
I have a couple questions.

1. Whats the width with rails attached on both sides?

2. Can anything be mounted at the 1:30, 4:30, 7:30 & 10:30 o'clock slots or was the capability deemed unnecessary?

3. I presume that the polymer components are being fabricated by TangoDown if so will they have a texture like there SCAR panels?

4. Will the KeyMod specs be available to other accessory makers, i.e. MagPul, IWC or will it remain proprietary?

5. Anything in th KeyMod VIS rumor?

Thanks.

I'm also interested in hearing the answers to these questions.

Waylander
02-24-12, 11:35
I'm also interested in hearing the answers to these questions.
Seconded.

militarymoron
02-24-12, 15:51
5. Anything in th KeyMod VIS rumor?


it's not just rumor. it'll be introduced as the VIS KM (key mod) series. when? i don't know.

Orange-Fox
02-24-12, 21:48
Sent a email to Noveske, will post when/if they respond.

MM - How are they handling the rail/receiver integration with the VIS KM, the VIS removable lower section or the LMT MRP through the front, that is if your are allowed to talk about it and when might you post your preview/review of the NSR & VIS KM respectively.

Thanks.

M4Fundi
02-25-12, 04:31
Todd,
The rail attachments look totally bomber on how sturdy they are going to attach! Really looks bomb proof and rigid.

Are the inner plates on the rail attachments captured some how? Can we get a little more info on how they work/attach?

Todd.K
02-25-12, 10:25
I have a couple questions.
1)The NSR is 1.48" and 1913 rail specs a minimum of .367", so 2.214". Rail sections are not final yet so that may change slightly.

2)Anything that can be mounted to a VTAC handguard should fit those slots. With the number of offset light mounts available I don't think it's needed.

3)We are doing the plastic. Texture should be pretty aggressive.

I don't have anything on 4 or 5 right now.


The hole location is same as SWS rail, correct? So I can just swap barrel nut and rail with current Vltor upper that has SWS rail?Yes


Are the inner plates on the rail attachments captured some how? Can we get a little more info on how they work/attach?
The backing plate is actually a nut. The back side of the slot on the KeyMod has an angle cut, the nut has the same angle to center itself. The bottom of the screw will be staked after the nut is installed so it won't come off and get lost.

Punisher1336
02-25-12, 15:00
Big fan of Noveske, just got a Afghan upper. Although that key hole rail reminds me of my shelving units.

militarymoron
02-25-12, 15:25
MM - How are they handling the rail/receiver integration with the VIS KM, the VIS removable lower section or the LMT MRP through the front, that is if your are allowed to talk about it and when might you post your preview/review of the NSR & VIS KM respectively.
.

it's going to be similar to the current VIS in concept - just imagine the current VIS with keymod features instead of rails on the sides and bottom (except on the top, where it has the top rail).
no idea on when it'll be available for preview/review, sorry.

calvin118
02-25-12, 15:44
Any chance of a 10" rail in the future? I would love one of these on my theoretical 11.5" SBR build.

M4Fundi
02-25-12, 17:20
it's going to be similar to the current VIS in concept - just imagine the current VIS with keymod features instead of rails on the sides and bottom (except on the top, where it has the top rail).
no idea on when it'll be available for preview/review, sorry.

If they do this in a VIS and really get the weight down I would do this on ALL my rifles:D

Orange-Fox
02-25-12, 17:58
Thanks Todd & MM.

MM - since the current VIS has a substantial overlap between the Polylithic upper and the lower section, how much wider will the KeyMod VIS be then the standard KeyMod NSR and how many of the NSR accessory's will work with the KM VIS as I'd assume the heatsheild and rail panels would not with the different dimensions.

Thanks Again Guys.

militarymoron
02-25-12, 19:56
orange-fox, just have to wait until more info comes out. don't make any assumptions - it's a bit early.

gamewarden
02-25-12, 23:15
I for one will be hoping Noveske will include the Vltor KM VIS on their upcoming .308 redesign (that will hopefully be a SR25 pattern)!

Gotta love Noveske and Vltor innovation!

Skang
02-26-12, 04:52
Cool, all I have to do is wait now.

joe-bananas
02-29-12, 15:23
Now if only a 7.62 version in the works for those of us who have the Noveske/SWS rail. I'll be more than happy to send my upper in to have my KX3 cut off, the SWS rail removed and a slimmer, lighter rail put in its place.

vicious_cb
03-07-12, 04:45
How easy is it to remove for barrel cleaning/oiling and gas tube maintenance?

rob_s
03-07-12, 05:50
gas tube maintenance?

:confused:

Waylander
03-07-12, 09:00
How easy is it to remove for barrel cleaning/oiling and gas tube maintenance?

I would assume just removing the 4-6 screws securing the rail to the barrel nut unless it's behind an FSB. Basically the reverse order its installed in :)

Why and what do you do for gas tube maintenance?

vicious_cb
03-07-12, 10:23
:confused:

I meant replacement and possibly centering it in the receiver. Just easier to say maintenance.

Skang
03-07-12, 16:14
I meant replacement and possibly centering it in the receiver. Just easier to say maintenance.

It's just like any other similar rails.

btw: I thought it would be out by now, but no?

Stickman
03-07-12, 19:13
It's just like any other similar rails.

btw: I thought it would be out by now, but no?


Why did you think it would be out now?

militarymoron
03-07-12, 20:31
Why did you think it would be out now?

well, because the new rule for SHOT this year was that all new products that debut at SHOT show must be made available for purchase within two months after SHOT. didn't you get the memo?

M4Fundi
03-08-12, 05:48
I think they are 6-12 weeks out

MCS
03-08-12, 08:39
I'm really looking forward to this rail! I am staring an spr build on a noveske upper and lower, and was looking for a lower profile rail. This is going to fit the bill, and it keeps everything Noveske.

Stickman
03-08-12, 13:03
well, because the new rule for SHOT this year was that all new products that debut at SHOT show must be made available for purchase within two months after SHOT. didn't you get the memo?


My lack of caffeine made me read that twice before I started laughing... thanks! :D

militarymoron
03-08-12, 15:18
My lack of caffeine made me read that twice before I started laughing... thanks! :D

yeah, if only it were true..:D

adh
03-17-12, 11:19
Any idea if there will be a switchblock version of this?

Todd.K
03-17-12, 12:00
Any idea if there will be a switchblock version of this?
There is no Switchblock cutout version currently planned.

AggiePhil
03-17-12, 12:11
May I ask why?

adh
03-17-12, 21:04
There is no Switchblock cutout version currently planned.

Thanks for the response

Stickman
03-18-12, 00:31
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Blackout%20300BLK%20Weapons/STKL7270-A-1200-Stick.jpg

C_1
03-20-12, 03:33
Does a pinned/welded muzzle device have to be removed to install the Noveske NSR?

Waylander
03-20-12, 08:49
Does a pinned/welded muzzle device have to be removed to install the Noveske NSR?

Yes to remove the FSB or gas block to take the old barrel nut off as with any rail incorporating a proprietary barrel but.

kaptain86
03-20-12, 18:42
Late to the party, but that is a great looking rail!

feedramp
04-04-12, 15:03
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Blackout%20300BLK%20Weapons/STKL7270-A-1200-Stick.jpg

What brake is that, Stick?

HaydenB
04-04-12, 16:03
What brake is that, Stick?

I'm not Stick, but its a Noveske KX3.

Iraqgunz
04-04-12, 16:03
KX3 Pig.


What brake is that, Stick?

feedramp
04-05-12, 03:10
Thank you both.

jpmuscle
04-05-12, 03:45
Late to the party, but that is a great looking rail!

Ill second that, I want one. bad

FN in MT
04-12-12, 23:56
Saw the gun shown on the last page with the KX3 brake at SHOT this year. Instantly fell in love with the SLIM feel of it. And being Noveske the quality will be there too.

Looking forward to their release. Have a Noveske lower on the way as we speak. This rail will be on that build.

FN in MT

feedramp
04-13-12, 19:27
Curious why the front BUIS is mounted so far to the rear in that shot (https://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1260181&postcount=131), Stick. Does the owner have something normally ride on the top rail in front of it?

buckjay
04-13-12, 19:48
Curious why the front BUIS is mounted so far to the rear in that shot (https://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=1260181&postcount=131), Stick. Does the owner have something normally ride on the top rail in front of it?

Most likely light at 12:00.

feedramp
04-13-12, 21:23
Ah, thanks, that makes sense.

jpmuscle
04-14-12, 00:50
could run the pressure switch out that far as well to accommodate a more extended reach.

Cold
05-01-12, 18:27
The NSR configured with 13.5" rail on 14.5 SS barrel NST profile with pinned SJC TITAN... pure NST styling all the way.

http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9143/photo1pb.jpg

Titleist
05-01-12, 18:36
Dear Cold...I'll be in my bunk.

AggiePhil
05-01-12, 19:18
I saw a few pics posted by Titleist on his DART FB page...Link?

I'm super excited about the NSRs. Does anyone know what the available handguard/barrel lengths will be for the NSR uppers and complete rifles? I'm wanting to order an NSR SBR in 300 BLK but don't know what the options are. I'd prefer a rail somewhere around 8"-10" and a barrel length that puts the silencer adapter where the handguard ends.

Titleist
05-01-12, 19:20
Link?

I'm super excited about the NSRs. Does anyone know what the available handguard/barrel lengths will be for the NSR uppers and complete rifles? I'm wanting to order an NSR SBR in 300 BLK but don't know what the options are. I'd prefer a rail somewhere around 8"-10" and a barrel length that puts the silencer adapter where the handguard ends.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.304468799605376.87125.296438850408371&type=3

Also you can see them here too:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/isaac_marchionna/sets/72157628933293579/

rob_s
05-01-12, 19:28
http://www.rainierarms.com/?page=shop/detail&product_id=3112

SteveL
05-01-12, 20:34
Is there any word on when the accessories will start becoming available?

Agile53
05-01-12, 20:37
Is there any word on when the accessories will start becoming available?

Now we're talking, thx for asking what I've been thinking Steve.

SteveL
05-01-12, 20:42
Now we're talking, thx for asking what I've been thinking Steve.

I'm thinking seriously about replacing a TRX Extreme with this because of the available heatshield. I also like the handstop/handgrip setup they're showing for it, which will probably also help with heat. Now if they release a Scout Light mount for this rail it would be about perfect.

Agile53
05-01-12, 20:49
Small world as I'm also running a TRX & using a mount-n-slot to attach my mini-scout.

My search-fu is weak, where can one find the pics that show the HG etc. setup?

SteveL
05-01-12, 21:52
Small world as I'm also running a TRX & using a mount-n-slot to attach my mini-scout.

My search-fu is weak, where can one find the pics that show the HG etc. setup?

http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=nsrhg&cat=&page=1&search=&since=45&status=&title=

jpmuscle
05-02-12, 00:24
That is literally a whole lot of perfection in one rail.

Ill be patiently waiting for the 15" model to become available.

vicious_cb
05-02-12, 03:07
Anyone got the weights of the various lengths yet?

narphenal
05-02-12, 09:35
Any word on when the various other lengths, such as the 9", are going to hit the market?

Waylander
05-02-12, 09:45
Why are the new pictures of the rail not showing the six screws anchoring the rail to the barrel nut when it's on a rifle (ex: Ranier Arms)? I thought Noveske possibly did away with the cap screws and used flush allen set screws but don't see how that would keep the rail secure.

Jester67CA
05-02-12, 11:43
I ordered an NSR-13 (13.5") last night. I'll post a quick overview with weights and dimensions as soon as I take delivery.

narphenal
05-02-12, 11:52
Rainier weighed the 13.5" plus barrel nut and said 11.1oz

Todd.K
05-02-12, 13:51
The NSR uses six button head screws.

SteveL
05-02-12, 14:19
Todd, among the upcoming accessories for the NSR will there be any flashlight mounts made available? I'm hoping to see something for the Surefire Scout light.

AggiePhil
05-02-12, 17:53
I love the NSR handguard and will be buying one. However, I already see these proprietary systems going down a slippery slope. Picatinny is a standard, which is why it works so well. These handguards, on the other hand, will create a desire in the market for companies to make accessories and accessory mounts for all the different platforms. You've got the LaRue OBR/PredatAR/PredatOBR handguard, the Noveske NSR, and several others. As far as I know, all are different. While I like the concepts (agian, I'm buying an NSR), I wish a standard could be adopted.

Say I want to use LaRue Hand Stops on my new NSR. As it stands, I will have to buy the Hand Stops AND (or at least I'm assuming) a Noveske NSR-to-Picatinny adapter. I doubt the end result will be all that sleek and effective.

P2000
05-02-12, 21:24
Will the MUR with anti-rotation hole and anti-rotation pin be available in the future?

2nd question: Any idea of which will weigh less, the VIS keymod, or a MUR with the NSR rail?

I am excited about this new system!

gamewarden
05-03-12, 22:13
I have a GPR upper on the way with 11" NSR and MUR ...I will post first impressions after arrival.

rob_s
05-03-12, 22:24
I love the NSR handguard and will be buying one. However, I already see these proprietary systems going down a slippery slope. Picatinny is a standard, which is why it works so well. These handguards, on the other hand, will create a desire in the market for companies to make accessories and accessory mounts for all the different platforms. You've got the LaRue OBR/PredatAR/PredatOBR handguard, the Noveske NSR, and several others. As far as I know, all are different. While I like the concepts (agian, I'm buying an NSR), I wish a standard could be adopted.

Say I want to use LaRue Hand Stops on my new NSR. As it stands, I will have to buy the Hand Stops AND (or at least I'm assuming) a Noveske NSR-to-Picatinny adapter. I doubt the end result will be all that sleek and effective.

Not to mention the benefit of the throw-levers for some accessories.

I'm hoping that Noveske comes out with a proper VFG to go with the NSR as well as the hand stop. I have been a believer in the stubby VFG for awhile (after toying with various hand-stops) and even more so after 3 days with VTAC.

jpmuscle
05-04-12, 01:03
I love the NSR handguard and will be buying one. However, I already see these proprietary systems going down a slippery slope. Picatinny is a standard, which is why it works so well. These handguards, on the other hand, will create a desire in the market for companies to make accessories and accessory mounts for all the different platforms. You've got the LaRue OBR/PredatAR/PredatOBR handguard, the Noveske NSR, and several others. As far as I know, all are different. While I like the concepts (agian, I'm buying an NSR), I wish a standard could be adopted.

Say I want to use LaRue Hand Stops on my new NSR. As it stands, I will have to buy the Hand Stops AND (or at least I'm assuming) a Noveske NSR-to-Picatinny adapter. I doubt the end result will be all that sleek and effective.

Thats the price one pays for innovation and advancement.

Waylander
05-04-12, 05:25
Thats the price one pays for innovation and advancement.

Advancement? I think his point was they are not advancing but foregoing an established standard and making proprietary features.

M4Fundi
05-04-12, 14:23
I don't think they are foregoing anything, they are adding another ADVANCEMENT an OPTION to our choices which is ALWAYS a good thing. They are still selling rifles with pic rails and those are not going anywhere.

You cannot make a standard pic rail that is as light as the new slick rails without losing strength and rigidity. The new slick rails keep the strength, lose the weight and give the user the option to control the bells & whistles.

3 leaders of innovation came up with similar designs attachment methods (Accuracy International, Noveske, VLTOR) and Noveske and VLTOR joined forces with theirs. Great minds think alike;)

Waylander
05-04-12, 15:20
I don't think they are foregoing anything, they are adding another ADVANCEMENT an OPTION to our choices which is ALWAYS a good thing. They are still selling rifles with pic rails and those are not going anywhere.

You cannot make a standard pic rail that is as light as the new slick rails without losing strength and rigidity. The new slick rails keep the strength, lose the weight and give the user the option to control the bells & whistles.

3 leaders of innovation came up with similar designs attachment methods (Accuracy International, Noveske, VLTOR) and Noveske and VLTOR joined forces with theirs. Great minds think alike;)
We are talking about two separate issues.

I never said slick rails were a bad idea or a step backward to full Picatinny. On the contrary, I think they have their place because of the weight issue and modularity. I didn't say the slick rail concept was forgoing anything, just that the proprietary features of X number of rails are.

This is definitely an advancement if you want to run the rail slick, but there are already plenty of rails like that. Sure, this is a better option than the rails that need backing plates to mount accessories. Is this the best mounting option so far? Maybe, maybe not.

The reason there may be a stall in rifles with full Picatinny rails and rail sales, which I question that it's as bad as you seem to be saying, is the prices are taking their time to come down. If the new breed of slick rails are as successful as people are claiming they're going to be then the prices of Picatinny rails will come down but I don't think they'll ever fully go away unless a standard is adopted.

Price point A: rifles with hand guards
Price point B: rifles with full Picatinny rails (assuming slick rails become more popular)
Price point C: rifles with slick rails

Sales of rifles with hand guards aren't dead ;)

M4Fundi
05-04-12, 22:39
Price point A: rifles with hand guards
Price point B: rifles with full Picatinny rails (assuming slick rails become more popular)
Price point C: rifles with slick rails

I think the slick rails will end up in Price Point B as I think they will be cheaper in materials and manufacturing and become more popular than the pic rail, but I have some experience in manufacturing but not enough to say with any real authority. What do you think?

Sorry if I misinterpreted what you meant. I thought you were complaining about efforts in innovation.

Waylander
05-05-12, 00:59
Price point A: rifles with hand guards
Price point B: rifles with full Picatinny rails (assuming slick rails become more popular)
Price point C: rifles with slick rails

I think the slick rails will end up in Price Point B as I think they will be cheaper in materials and manufacturing and become more popular than the pic rail, but I have some experience in manufacturing but not enough to say with any real authority. What do you think?

Sorry if I misinterpreted what you meant. I thought you were complaining about efforts in innovation.

No problem. You're probably right about the manufacturing savings of not having to machine all of those Picatinny rails. I'm no manufacturing expert but it would seem to be cheaper to do the slick rails. So the manufacturers could possibly be able to make them faster and dump them on the market. Think of economic supply and demand. If the manufacturers can flood the market with slick rails faster like I've assumed, then price will go down and more people will buy them. The converse of that is as more and more people demand them and manufacturers reach capacity or run out, the price will go back up.

Just by sheer popularity...needing the latest and greatest, tacticool, cheaper for now...many reasons people could choose to buy a slick rail not to mention the people who really know the purpose for buying a modular rail -- lighter weight and modularity. That's why I think they'll become more popular and the market would dictate they'd be more expensive than Pic rails. Pic rails would need to come down in price just to sell period.

A lot of variables that only time will tell what happens.

M4Fundi
05-05-12, 04:33
I think Fletch would say, "Legos, man, the future is all Legos!" :p

I will have have a pic rail and play with the slicks, but I have to admit I have been begging Noveske for this for 2 years, so I'm really excited about the NSR:D

gamewarden
05-05-12, 15:31
Got confirmation from UPS that Noveske shipped my 12.5" GPR with NSR and MUR... will be here on Thursday!

M4Fundi
05-05-12, 15:43
I will be building 3 SBRs over the next months and I am thinking that a GPR will be #3. I will be waiting for a full critique.

rob_s
05-05-12, 17:28
I think Fletch would say, "Legos, man, the future is all Legos!" :p

Maybe, and I'm not discounting the NSR, but after playing with several of the Brazilian handguards on the market, and with the release of the Larue Index Clips, ifind myself back at the 4-rail solutions. Wanting the ability to easily remove and attach a light without redundant weight and a pretty firm belief in the VFG (strengthened after VTAC Carbine 1.5) leaves me with little other choice anyway.

SteveL
05-05-12, 18:18
Maybe, and I'm not discounting the NSR, but after playing with several of the Brazilian handguards on the market, and with the release of the Larue Index Clips, ifind myself back at the 4-rail solutions. Wanting the ability to easily remove and attach a light without redundant weight and a pretty firm belief in the VFG (strengthened after VTAC Carbine 1.5) leaves me with little other choice anyway.

I'm hoping that Noveske releases a VFG for the NSR rail. Only time will tell though.

rob_s
05-05-12, 18:25
I'm hoping that Noveske releases a VFG for the NSR rail. Only time will tell though.

I am too.

M4Fundi
05-05-12, 18:57
I am too.

And that it is a Stubby!

SteveL
05-05-12, 21:03
And that it is a Stubby!

Or a 2 piece that can be stubby or full length.

jpmuscle
05-05-12, 22:08
Or a 2 piece that can be stubby or full length.



Im a fan of the troy VFG due to that attribute. Nice piece

Wake27
05-06-12, 00:23
Any reason why there isn't a switchblock compatible model? This would be perfect if there were.

Agile53
05-06-12, 00:42
Funny that you mention that as earlier today I held a 10.5" Nov. SB equipped MUR upper, w/ a 7" NSR rail & threaded barrel.

Let's see if I can get a pic Sun/Monday as that was a nice, light package. Adding an optic, can, Scout & stub VG would get it there IMO.

Wake27
05-06-12, 01:02
Was the switchblock just at the end of the rail like the current VIS offerings?

davidl
05-06-12, 01:10
got my rail in today from Rainier

first thing I did was to put a rail on the bottom so that I can use my Atlas bipod

no rail was available from Noveske so I had to improvise by grinding and filing down a Troy VTAC rail insert and it now fits snug with no play

I think they should have released the picatinny inserts at the same time so that people could use whatever picatinny accessories they already have

http://i.imgur.com/1YczAh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/rNX0Hh.jpg

rob_s
05-06-12, 06:48
Or a 2 piece that can be stubby or full length.

I think that only benefits the manufacturer. As a stubby user I don't care really but I'd rather have dedicated parts.

Agile53
05-06-12, 07:08
Was the switchblock just at the end of the rail like the current VIS offerings?

Correct, just like it is on my 12.5" TRX w/ a SB.

Todd.K
05-06-12, 12:46
Wanting the ability to easily remove and attach a light without redundant weight...
We are working on a Scout light mount that attaches directly to the KeyMod. There is also the X300 or offset mounts on the top rail as an option.


I had to improvise by grinding and filing down a Troy VTAC rail insert and it now fits snug with no play

I think they should have released the picatinny inserts at the same time so that people could use whatever picatinny accessories they already have

The MOE rail sections are a good fit, and the backing plate on them is the same width as the grove on the inside of the NSR. Our backing plates also fit the grove to align any flat bottomed rail section for non critical accessories.
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=nvbkplt&cat=165&page=1&search=&since=&status=&title=

The KeyMod rail sections should be available next week.

narphenal
05-06-12, 13:14
Does anyone have the length of the exposed barrel of a 13" NSR on a 16" Barrel, from muzzle to handguard?

Thanks.

davidl
05-06-12, 13:52
The MOE rail sections are a good fit, and the backing plate on them is the same width as the grove on the inside of the NSR. Our backing plates also fit the grove to align any flat bottomed rail section for non critical accessories.
http://noveskerifleworks.com/cgi-bin/imcart/display.cgi?item_id=nvbkplt&cat=165&page=1&search=&since=&status=&title=

The KeyMod rail sections should be available next week.

Out of curiosity, but is the KeyMod the same as the AI AX KeyMod? as in being able to swap parts from one to another?

SteveL
05-06-12, 14:41
We are working on a Scout light mount that attaches directly to the KeyMod. There is also the X300 or offset mounts on the top rail as an option.

I'm especially glad to hear this.


Since it's been brought up recently, is there any chance you have a VFG in the works?

M4Fundi
05-06-12, 15:53
Out of curiosity, but is the KeyMod the same as the AI AX KeyMod? as in being able to swap parts from one to another?

Todd told me that AI and Noveske/VLTOR did not develop their Keymods together and that he did not know....... so most likely not.

Jester67CA
05-06-12, 19:45
I am eagerly awaiting the heat shield and rail covers.


Does anyone have the length of the exposed barrel of a 13" NSR on a 16" Barrel, from muzzle to handguard?

Thanks.

A quick mock-up got me to about 4", but it depends on your muzzle device and barrel. Some 16" marked barrels are actually a tiny bit longer than 16".

It's not that difficult to figure it out for yourself.

16" barrel - 13.5" rail + (length of muzzle device. Usually 1.75") - ~3/4" of threads = ~3-4in

narphenal
05-07-12, 02:34
I am eagerly awaiting the heat shield and rail covers.



A quick mock-up got me to about 4", but it depends on your muzzle device and barrel. Some 16" marked barrels are actually a tiny bit longer than 16".

It's not that difficult to figure it out for yourself.

16" barrel - 13.5" rail + (length of muzzle device. Usually 1.75") - ~3/4" of threads = ~3-4in

I meant in the sense of wondering whether or not I would be able to fit a MB556AR on there(reflex mount). I know it will be close, maybe right on the threshold of working.

http://www.skarms.com/image/cache/data/MB556AR_xlarge_24480-500x500.png

Kfgk14
05-07-12, 02:57
Crazy idea here, but why hasn't a mount that flush-mounts a Surefire x300 to a slick rail system (like the NSR) been invented? I.e. a mount that would replace the factory base (like the LaRue Tactical mount) and allow a more streamlined mounting to a slick rail. Maybe I'm just dumb and the 12 o'clock mounting of an x300 is the way to go-I don't know, as I have no experience with the x300 or any directly rail mounted light like that.

gamewarden
05-10-12, 16:47
I just wanted to brag and say I received my 12.5" upper today with the 11" NSR, MUR upper and surefire flash hider!

I really like the diameter and the feel of the rail...it is rock solid (as to be expected). Put an X300 at 12:00 in front of a DD fixed front sight and MBUS rear. Aimpoint T-1 next with Larue mount...running an MS3 and thats it.

this is a work rifle.

Pics and hopefully shooting tomorrow.

Brahmzy
05-10-12, 17:05
I just wanted to brag and say I received my 12.5" upper today with the 11" NSR, MUR upper and surefire flash hider!

I really like the diameter and the feel of the rail...it is rock solid (as to be expected). Put an X300 at 12:00 in front of a DD fixed front sight and MBUS rear. Aimpoint T-1 next with Larue mount...running an MS3 and thats it.

this is a work rifle.

Pics and hopefully shooting tomorrow.

ARGH. :mad: I'm very jealous - waiting on an 11" NSR - and I'll be waiting 'til at least JULY I've heard.

Please post pics n what not.

badness
05-10-12, 19:49
is the 15" rail still coming out or has that been canned?

Brahmzy
05-10-12, 20:09
is the 15" rail still coming out or has that been canned?

Todd said it was still comin'.

Todd.K
05-11-12, 11:10
7", 9", 11", 13.5", and 16.7" are planned.

joe-bananas
05-11-12, 12:31
Any chance that Noveske and company are even considering a version that will fit the AR-10 or DPMS-pattern rifles?

Brahmzy
05-11-12, 12:39
Any chance that Noveske and company are even considering a version that will fit the AR-10 or DPMS-pattern rifles?

I highly doubt it, but I would buy 2 in a heartbeat - I am using the TROY 308 TRX Extreme and their cheesy mount just doesn't cut it for weight of a 308 platform. I hunt with my 308 and the rail just moves around A LOT. It will shift position just getting fired on a sand bag. And this is on a 8.6lb 308 (very light for 308). I had a DD Lite rail on there which was very solid, but I don't need a giant, fat ugly quad rail (and it's a heavy SOB for a "lite" rail).

If Noveske DID do a 308 NSR, unfortunately it'd probably be something we'd see a year or two away - I need one NOW. So I'll just deal with the POS TROY. If TROY would make an "Alpha" version of thier 308 rail, I'd be good to go - but I just asked them 2 days ago AGAIN and they said they have "no plans" for new 308 stuff in the foreseeable future. The 308 is the one that really needed the new Alpha mount IMO.

joe-bananas
05-11-12, 12:42
I highly doubt it, but I would buy 2 in a heartbeat - I am using the TROY 308 TRX Extreme and their cheesy mount just doesn't cut it for weight of a 308 platform. I hunt with my 308 and the rail just moves around A LOT. It will shift position just getting fired on a sand bag. And this is on a 8.6lb 308 (very light for 308). I had a DD Lite rail on there which was very solid, but I don't need a giant, fat ugly quad rail (and it's a heavy SOB for a "lite" rail).

If Noveske DID do a 308 NSR, unfortunately it'd probably be something we'd see a year or two away - I need one NOW. So I'll just deal with the POS TROY. If TROY would make an "Alpha" version of thier 308 rail, I'd be good to go - but I just asked them 2 days ago AGAIN and they said they have "no plans" for new 308 stuff in the foreseeable future. The 308 is the one that really needed the new Alpha mount IMO.

I'm glad you posted this. I was considering the TRX Extreme for my AR-10 (the SWS on my Noveski is just too clunky). I'm considering the PRI tube, but this NSR seems to fit the need much better.

Brahmzy
05-11-12, 13:02
I'm glad you posted this. I was considering the TRX Extreme for my AR-10 (the SWS on my Noveski is just too clunky). I'm considering the PRI tube, but this NSR seems to fit the need much better.

You may have better luck than me (I've actually sent mine back and TROY is sending a replacement as I type this to make sure mine wasn't out of spec) but I've only got the 12 - I can't imagine the stress on the longer TRX rail.

We'll see how it goes with the new one - I should know in a week. Thing is, it all went together tightly and felt solid. But there's just too much weight and stress applied to that little mount/barrel nut they use. Simple physics. If the tube itself was 7075 T6 aluminum? Maybe it'd be better, but the std. 308 barrel nut is just too little real estate to expect any proper tube/nut purchase out of.

By the way - I have the standard AR15 TRX's on a few of my rifles and have moved them to the Alpha versions - WAY better - there's a reason they made the change. Demand drives change and retooling costs / ROI - I just don't think the 308 demand is there for TROY to "warrant" the needed change.

The NSR is brilliant - the weight is next to nothing on the rail itself, which allows Noveske to use a longer barrel nut to attach the rail. Simple as that.

joe-bananas
05-11-12, 13:22
The NSR is brilliant - the weight is next to nothing on the rail itself, which allows Noveske to use a longer barrel nut to attach the rail.

This. They've really come up with something great here. With all the AR10 variants out there, you'd think there would be more of a market, but perhaps not. Then again . . .

davidl
05-11-12, 13:26
finally got my .264lbc rifle put together with the NSR handguard

http://i.imgur.com/wLaQm.jpg

wish it had a 1/4" more of rail though to cover up a rifle length gas block, I realize that there is a 16" rail coming out but I am not a fan of the dissipator look

http://i.imgur.com/EjmgB.jpg

Todd.K
05-11-12, 13:26
A 308 version is not going to happen soon but it is a possibility in the future.

Brahmzy
05-11-12, 13:28
With all the AR10 variants out there, you'd think there would be more of a market, but perhaps not. Then again . . .

It's only going to get bigger too (the 308 market). Like I said - I believe Noveske is going to re-do (or IS redoing) their 308 line-up from the ground up. They've been pretty hush-hush on it all. THEN I'm sure we'll see a 308 NSR. But I fully expect that no sooner than SHOT Show '14.

And if it DOES come out - what will it be? AR10 pattern? DPMS/SR25 pattern? Will they offer barrel nuts for either? Will they even sell the rail seperately?

My bet is SR25 pattern, if it happens.

Wish Todd or John would jump on here and give us the full-on low down on their 308 plans. My guess is because they're so dang swamped with their existing stuff it's on the backburner.

EDIT: DOH! Todd beat me to it.

joe-bananas
05-11-12, 13:30
A 308 version is not going to happen soon but it is a possibility in the future.

This is good news. Or better news than previously thought. Todd, feel free to use my Noveske AR10 as a test bed. I'm willing to sacrifice one for the team. :)

Brahmzy
05-11-12, 13:33
This is good news. Or better news than previously thought. Todd, feel free to use my Noveske AR10 as a test bed. I'm willing to sacrifice one for the team. :)

LOL. And if you need an SR25 pattern rifle, I've got a few for you - just say the word! :p

Cold
05-11-12, 16:11
is the 15" rail still coming out or has that been canned?

We requested a 16" or slightly longer rail to go with some NST 18" rifles, when they arrive I'll add some photos. It should be popular for those who prefer that style of build.

ETA: I see Todd let the cat out of the bag on the length, thanks Todd!

Nick S
05-11-12, 20:34
Cold

Will future NST rifles sport the NSR rail or the Troy Alphas?

Thanks

Nick

badness
05-11-12, 22:54
7", 9", 11", 13.5", and 16.7" are planned.

poo. :fie:

C4IGrant
05-14-12, 09:37
NSR Rails are in stock!

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=NSR_RAIL



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http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/JN%20Rifleworks/NSR_Rails.jpg

Brahmzy
05-14-12, 09:50
NSR Rails are in stock!

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=NSR_RAIL



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http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/JN%20Rifleworks/NSR_Rails.jpg

Ordered! Thanks Grant!! C'mon Noveske - get those QD sockets out!!

Brahmzy
05-14-12, 15:16
Question on the barrel nut - I know what it looks like from pictures. How are people mounting these things? Not real thrilled about spending $38 for a SWS wrench, if that's even the right wrench. What is the dimension on the box flats in the middle of the barrel nut?

Anybody that has installed one care to chime in?

http://www.rainierarms.com/img/shop/product/d1a1b8b5a626b6c685ea7571c0a4b0a5.jpg

Todd.K
05-14-12, 15:18
You should use a 1 1/16" Crowfoot wrench. The SWS wrench does not work on the NSR barrel nut.

Brahmzy
05-14-12, 15:20
You should use a 1 1/16" Crowfoot wrench. The SWS wrench does not work on the NSR barrel nut.

Dang that was quick! Thanks Todd!

You mentioned the QD sockets were comin' soon - think this week along with the pic. sections?

Not bad - under $4 HERE (http://www.amazon.com/Sunex-97734-2-Inch-16-Inch-Crowfoot/dp/B002YK7MEG)
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21%2B-Zv6VkzL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Ironman8
05-14-12, 16:08
Any timeline on the VIS NSR's?

Also, will a 9" VIS and 9" VIS NSR have the same exact length measurements? May sound like a dumb question, but I'm having a 12.5" bbl cut down to a length where an Ops M4S will sit just about flush with a 9" standard VIS and would like to know that it will still fit the NSR version if I were to switch it over? (which is a big possibility!)

adh
05-14-12, 19:53
Can the 11" be used with an 11.5 and still allow enough room to mount an M4-1000? I am assuming that the answer is yes as I believe that we have seen pics of an 11.5 with a NSR 11" with a 51 tooth blackout, but want to make sure that this combo would work if I were to chose to make the switch.

Thanks

ADH

tx1021
05-14-12, 23:17
Are there published weights yet for each length?

Brahmzy
05-14-12, 23:46
Are there published weights yet for each length?

11.1oz for the 13.5 w/barrel nut.

I'll let you know how much the 11 weighs in a few days. :D

ALMOST picked up the 9 too today, but that one really needs QD sockets and rail sections. Dammit, shoulda just picked it up. Why delay the inevitable. :p

tx1021
05-14-12, 23:56
11.1oz for the 13.5 w/barrel nut.

I'll let you know how much the 11 weighs in a few days. :D

ALMOST picked up the 9 too today, but that one really needs QD sockets and rail sections. Dammit, shoulda just picked it up. Why delay the inevitable. :p

Awesome, thanks

trauma
05-15-12, 02:16
Will the uppers/rifles direct from Noveske be the exact design as the rail being sold as a stand alone item? Or will there be a design difference exclusive to a complete upper/rifle ordered from Noveske ?

Brahmzy
05-15-12, 02:20
Will the uppers/rifles direct from Noveske be the exact design as the rail being sold as a stand alone item? Or will there be a design difference exclusive to a complete upper/rifle ordered from Noveske ?

Exact same rail. Only difference is a factory gun's upper will be drilled/pinned for anti-rotation.

Agile53
05-15-12, 10:22
Slight thread drift here as Trauma's post brought this to mind.

My understanding is that Noveske is or may not be going to continue taking direct orders, only thru their dealers.
I'm not speaking of just the NSR but ANY complete upper/rifle. Sorry for the drift but with Todd a frequent contributor here
maybe he could clarify if this is correct.

Brahmzy
05-15-12, 10:44
Slight thread drift here as Trauma's post brought this to mind.

My understanding is that Noveske is or may not be going to continue taking direct orders, only thru their dealers.
I'm not speaking of just the NSR but ANY complete upper/rifle. Sorry for the drift but with Todd a frequent contributor here
maybe he could clarify if this is correct.

The answers I've gotten from talking to Noveske staff is that they ARE in fact pushing a lot of their product ordering to their distributors. The two biggies I think would be DSG Arms and Rainier (many more, obviously). I've been told to order certain items through a distributor. Unfortunately a lot of these companies have no ability to backorder items (DSG does I believe) so there is a gap there where Noveske may not be getting a sense of what products are in demand, other than phone requests. If I want a stainless 300BLK barrel in x length, I was told to order it through a distributor and it could be 3 weeks to 2 months. But the distributor would be the one "placing the order" with Noveske.

I think Noveske has been so swamped with orders that most of their stock is being kept for rifle/upper orders exclusively and if they happen to have a surplus on any one item, they may post it as in-stock on their website.

Rambling here, maybe Todd can enlighten us. Todd, where would I find a Noveske stripped upper receiver? I can't order one from Rainier (no backorder system), I can't order one directly from you, would I use DSG? What are my options?

C4IGrant
05-15-12, 10:48
The answers I've gotten from talking to Noveske staff is that they ARE in fact pushing a lot of their product ordering to their distributors. The two biggies I think would be DSG Arms and Rainier (many more, obviously). I've been told to order certain items through a distributor. Unfortunately a lot of these companies have no ability to backorder items (DSG does I believe) so there is a gap there where Noveske may not be getting a sense of what products are in demand, other than phone requests. If I want a stainless 300BLK barrel in x length, I was told to order it through a distributor and it could be 3 weeks to 2 months. But the distributor would be the one "placing the order" with Noveske.

I think Noveske has been so swamped with orders that most of their stock is being kept for rifle/upper orders exclusively and if they happen to have a surplus on any one item, they may post it as in-stock on their website.

Rambling here, maybe Todd can enlighten us. Todd, where would I find a Noveske stripped upper receiver? I can't order one from Rainier (no backorder system), I can't order one directly from you, would I use DSG? What are my options?


We are seeing more and more manufacturers getting away from accepting orders directly. The main reason for this is because they simply do not have the man power to keep up.

We are a Noveske Distr. and do stock certain components from them. We also accept back orders that are e-mailed to us. ;)



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Todd.K
05-15-12, 13:55
Also, will a 9" VIS and 9" VIS NSR have the same exact length measurements?
9" handguards are designed to fit behind a mid length fixed front sight, they should be the same length.



Can the 11" be used with an 11.5 and still allow enough room to mount an M4-1000?
There will not be enough room for the silencer, you will need at least a 12.0" barrel.



We are not selling any upper receivers that I know of, everything is going into rifles and complete uppers.

Only items that are in stock can be ordered from our website. Some products may only be available through distributors.

Ironman8
05-15-12, 14:10
9" handguards are designed to fit behind a mid length fixed front sight, they should be the same length.


Thanks for the reply Todd. Any idea on a timeline for these (VIS NSRs)?

adh
05-15-12, 18:16
There will not be enough room for the silencer, you will need at least a 12.0" barrel.

Thanks...wish y'all were making a 10" then.

Jaysop
05-16-12, 01:36
You should use a 1 1/16" Crowfoot wrench. The SWS wrench does not work on the NSR barrel nut.

Thats the bet dam news about this rail to me. I had a factory installed SWS rail from you guys. Swapped it out. It was a pretty big hassle to get the SWS wrench. Nice guy to deal with but a little bit of a lengthy process.

Todd.K
05-16-12, 16:54
I don't know when we will have the VIS with KeyMod yet.

carolvs
05-16-12, 21:57
Any ETA on complete NSR rifles? I'm hungering for my first AR, and while the LaRue PredatAR is tempting, I've wanted a Noveske for years and the NSR looks to take the cake.

narphenal
05-16-12, 23:37
Got it yesterday, and installation was easy. Very solid piece, and contrary to my previous thoughts, I doubt I'll ever even need the Anti-Rotation Pin. The thing seems extremely rigid, and I don't see it coming off that easily.

http://oi50.tinypic.com/2zgywkg.jpg



Not bad - under $4 HERE (http://www.amazon.com/Sunex-97734-2-Inch-16-Inch-Crowfoot/dp/B002YK7MEG)


If anyone is in a hurry to get one, grab one from here. I ordered it on Monday, it arrived today, and it was <$10 shipped. Fortunately, I found one in my old tool bag, so didn't need one.

jpmuscle
05-17-12, 00:32
Nar,

Looks good!


But some of you guys crack me up, they just released this rail system and y'all are already hounding them for more. :no: lol

og556
05-17-12, 11:26
Does any one know when they plan on releasing the NSR rifles ?

I was really close to pulling the trigger on an SR 15 MOD 1 until I learned about this.

I love Noveske rifles and their CS is unparalleled.

Tarbell
05-17-12, 12:00
Does any one know when they plan on releasing the NSR rifles ?

I was really close to pulling the trigger on an SR 15 MOD 1 until I learned about this.

I love Noveske rifles and their CS is unparalleled.

They are already available. Go to Noveske's website and look up a dealer near you.



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fallenromeo
05-17-12, 12:43
narphenal,

Rifle looks great man. The more I see these the more interested I get in them.

og556
05-17-12, 13:14
The only thing I can find are complete uppers.

I would probably just get the upper by itself if I could get my hands on a complete gen 2 lower.

Todd.K
05-17-12, 14:32
A dealer should be able to order a rifle with NSR for you.

Or give us a call and we can try to find you a dealer with what you want in stock.

og556
05-17-12, 14:38
Thanks Todd. I will try contacting some dealers.

huntsimp
05-17-12, 17:47
Which length uppers with NSR are available?

carolvs
05-17-12, 21:49
Thanks Todd. I will try contacting some dealers.

Likewise, thanks Todd.

bigray023
05-22-12, 19:07
Bring on the accessories! I need at least a qd-mount to get going. Any idea when these should start being available?

og556
05-22-12, 20:38
Are there any rail sections available for these yet ?

Todd.K
05-23-12, 14:16
Rail sections and QD are at anodizing.

og556
05-23-12, 14:53
Sounds good. I've had no luck with going through a Novekse distributor/dealer so far for a complete rifle. I will wait until you guys have them on your website.

It might be a blessing in disguise considering you offer upgrades like a SOPMOD stock and AAC Brakeout as replacements for the stock parts for good prices.

C4IGrant
05-23-12, 16:49
Sounds good. I've had no luck with going through a Novekse distributor/dealer so far for a complete rifle. I will wait until you guys have them on your website.

It might be a blessing in disguise considering you offer upgrades like a SOPMOD stock and AAC Brakeout as replacements for the stock parts for good prices.

Currently, dealers (or at least this dealer) has not seen any pricing yet. So that is most likely why you cannot get a price.



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SteveL
05-23-12, 19:19
Is there any idea on when the Scout light mounts will be available?