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all pls read this.
have been staying at harrah's properties around the country for years. wife is a professional poker player and plays in 10-12 big tournaments a year.
harrah's has a new policy as of 1/1/2012. NO GUNS ON PROPERTY. PERIOD. (it is illegal to carry in the casino floor. not illegal to walk thru. bathrooms food etc gtg
U CAN NOT EVEN BRING A GUN ONTO THE PROPERTY AND LOCK IT UP
YOU CAN NOT KEEP IT IN THE CAR ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEY STATED THEY DONT CARE. T/T HOTEL MGR WHO WE KNOW WELL. not some desk jockey.
was told if u were an f.b.i./s-service agent and not working u can NOT bring 1 on. (not correct - BTW) been carrying a gun in Vegas for over 15 years.
downtown is a bad place for shot show goers. or anyone else.
72% of muggings in Vegas are d.town. keep strip clean and let the trash in d/town go on.
i can not say too much as we are comp guests anytime we go to a harrah's property but YOU CAN SAY A LOT. vote with emails and wallets. this company is a national size with casinos all over
we will return to staying at the Treasure Island. (my personal favorite any way). they are gun friendly. front desk lady named Jessica is a friend of my wife's. she wants us there. we are guests there but the rio is my wife's favorite. she say we can carry anywhere but the actual casino floor (std nevada law)
i am asking any one that can do so in making our wishes known
if anyone has contacts with the shot show pls explain to them and see that the rio is taken off any list of groups who love the 2nd Amendment as we all do
i am pissed guys
contact info below
feel free to contact me
It's private property. They have a right to control their own property under the Constitution.
As for the issue of them trying to determine what you can have in your car, this is a more tricky constitutional issue and is being tested in a number of states. Florida, I believe, already has a law stating that employers cannot prevent employees from having firearms in their cars.
CarlosDJackal
01-24-12, 13:55
As I always say, "concealed" means "concealed". The worse they can do is ask you to leave or charge you with trespassing. You can probably find some good places to hide your handgun if you really wanted to.
Unfortunately, we are talking about private property. While I personally would never set foot on one that has such a policy (such as the Verizon retail store in my town); I have to respect their right to exercise their prerogative. But that doesn't mean I will ever give them a cent if I can avoid it.
If you are carrying concealed, why is this an issue?
Why are you discussing your personal safety practices with people who have no need to know?
Yes it's private property and they can set their policies. They can also ask other places to do adopt the same policy. It may eventually become the accepted practice in the industry because customers do not fight against it. Silence is consent. It's better to let Harrah's and others know the practice is bad for business.
jjw, your post is very hard to follow. Please edit
Belmont31R
01-24-12, 17:00
It depends on state law. Some states a business cannot set their own policy but can ask you to leave if they find out. Some states, like TX require a sign which has to fit within the legal requirements (30.06 sign).
I would follow whatever the legal requirements are or just don't patronize them. If I see a 30.06 sign I turn around and don't come back. Also doesn't hurt to send them an email saying I was planning on patronizing your store today and was going to spend XXX.XX amount of dollars. Instead I turned around and left to go find a business that respects the right to self defense after seeing a no firearms sign on the door.
Just because its private property doesn't mean everything. If they open up their property to the public they should accept the public at large. If they want to moderate who comes in then they should be a private club like Costco which is not open to the public.
harrah's has a new policy as of 1/1/2012. NO GUNS ON PROPERTY. PERIOD. (it is illegal to carry in the casino floor. not illegal to walk thru. bathrooms food etc gtg
If you're referring to the properties in Las Vegas, I'm assuming by your TI reference you are, then it is NOT illegal to carry a firearm in a casino on the gaming floor regardless if you're concealing or open carrying. Please post accurate information pertaining to the laws and legality of carrying a concealed weapon within that jurisdiction if you're going to bother pressing the keys. The internet is full of bullshit myths, lies and fallicies that shouldn't be spread to the membership here at M4C.
Also, your post is very difficult to read and understand.
1.the casino mgr told me metro would be called and u would be arrested and be prosecuted
2.carry in the car was for guests. it is not allowed even for guests cars.
3. u could not check it or keep it in the safe in your room
4.u can NOT CARRY in any casino anywhere in the gambling area. any casino can set rules on property .
most allow ccw in the following:
restaurant
rest rooms
gift shops
etc
any OTHER PART including your rooms
many do and we will be staying at 1.
5. it was not posted anywhere. found out by accident talking to a guard i know there.
just to clear up any confusion
since Irish could not understand me, i do know the laws on ccw and the laws on casino.
appearantly you dont read the state laws or call the att: general as i did many years ago and also yesterday.
Let me attempt to clear up a few things. My responses will be in red for the benefit of the membership.
1.the casino mgr told me metro would be called and u would be arrested and be prosecuted
If your gun is concealed how would a casino manager know you were carrying? Also, you can not be arrested and prosecuted for something that is not a crime. They can "trespass" you from the property but Metro is not needed for this to happen.
2.carry in the car was for guests. it is not allowed even for guests cars.
I'm not following you. In Nevada anyone can have a gun in their car, concealed or not, as your house is an extension of your home.
3. u could not check it or keep it in the safe in your room
Again, how would they know?
4.u can NOT CARRY in any casino anywhere in the gambling area. any casino can set rules on property .
most allow ccw in the following:
restaurant
rest rooms
gift shops
etc
any OTHER PART including your rooms
You stated in the OP that it is illegal to carry on the gambling floor. It is NOT illegal and if I'm wrong then please provide the NRS (Nevada Revised Statute) and a link to substantiate what you're saying. Again, how would they know if you're carrying concealed?
many do and we will be staying at 1.
to clear up any confusion
also to the poster who could not understand me, i do know the laws on ccw and the laws on casino.
appearantly you dont read the state laws or call the att: general as i did many years ago and also yesterday.
I live in Las Vegas and conceal carry everyday, all day and am pretty well versed in the laws concerning CCW in the state of Nevada. If you know the laws on CCW and casinos, obviously better than I do, then prove me wrong by providing a NRS number and link to the information and I'll buy you a steak dinner next time you're in town.
I'm not trying to start a pissing match with you but I am trying to clear up any misconception that there may be concerning the laws about concealed carry of a firearm in the state of Nevada. And my offer to buy you a steak dinner is a legit, no bullshit offer. Fire away!
By the way, this is nothing new.
I stay in LV pretty regularly and can tell you that I learned many years ago... Don't ask. Don't tell. You will NOT find a single casino/hotel up and down the strip that will smile and say 'that's great' if you tell them you have a firearm. I learned the hard way when I requested a bolt cutter to my room. (don't laugh lol) After a 3min conversation of them politely trying to pry out the reason why I finally said that I locked my firearm for safety while traveling and need to cut the lock off because I brought the wrong key. They agreed and said they would send a tech up with some shortly. About 10min later I had a knock at the door and was surprised to see not only the head of hotel security but his four biggest goons along with about half a dozen Metro LV PD officers in bright yellow shirts. The head of security was very polite and said they would lock it up for me and I could get it from him personally whenever I wanted to leave the hotel and had to check it when I returned. Option 2 was they were escorting me to the curb immediately. lol After a quick fact gathering seeing I decided for option 1 and went with him to check my firearm. It was actually quite cool because he was a VERY cool dude and took me to the secret security offices which was through a series of kitchens, hallways, back rooms for high roller tables, various TV rooms for security cameras and finally his personal office. He had a few safes and proceeded to reset the passcode for one which he let me create a new passcode for. It was like something out of Hollywood movies and made for a fun story although it meant leaving 15min early for everything so I could run the gauntlet with him or his assistant each time we left and returned. The moral of the story is if you decide you need to be armed in your room since there isn't armed security on your door.... DON'T SAY ANYTHING TO ANYONE! I don't suggest breaking any hotel rules but can understand why an otherwise responsible law abiding citizen would feel the need to.
The OP's post does raise an issue of valid, broader concern. On one hand, it's hard to be against the rights of private property owners to determine what is permitted on their own property. On the other hand, when the "private property" in question is a large, public place, it gets more complicated. If an increasing number of private property owners of "large public places" decide to prohibit carry on their premises (and this does seem to be a trend), then ultimately, a lot of our recently regained Constitutional privileges in the areas of right-to-carry, will all be for nought. To take a very real-world example in the area I live: What good does it do you to have a Washington state CCW, if you then go into the city of Seattle and find that all public buildings, schools, courts, parks, public property, and large private property like malls, is completely prohibiting firearms carry? I'm exaggerating a bit for effect, but you reach a point where it's hardly worth carrying, because there are so many places you can't go, or where you'll have to go through the hassle of removing your firearm (or just keeping it concealed, which many of us do).
It's a tough call. I want to uphold private property rights, but I'm concerned about the trend that erodes our 2nd Amendment freedoms by reducing the amount of public space available for us to carry. I can't tell anyone else what to do, my personal policy is, "Don't ask, don't tell" (with regard to CCW in public places that consists of private property).
I stay in LV pretty regularly and can tell you that I learned many years ago... Don't ask. Don't tell. You will NOT find a single casino/hotel up and down the strip that will smile and say 'that's great' if you tell them you have a firearm.
Or you local grocery store, Best Buy, etc. What's with the wringing of hands? Conduct yourself in the same manner that you do everywhere else and there won't be a problem. Again, there is no LAW stating any of the bullshit above your post Jer otherwise Captain Dipshit would post it.
The only rule that I know of pertaining to entering private property is if every single entrance to the place is marked with a "no guns" type of sign. Even if that happens it is NOT ILLEGAL for you to have a concealed firearm and you will NOT be arrested. You may be in violation of the property owner's wishes but that in itself is NOT against the law. People are confusing property rights with CCW laws.
Or you local grocery store, Best Buy, etc. What's with the wringing of hands? Conduct yourself in the same manner that you do everywhere else and there won't be a problem. Again, there is no LAW stating any of the bullshit above your post Jer otherwise Captain Dipshit would post it.
The only rule that I know of pertaining to entering private property is if every single entrance to the place is marked with a "no guns" type of sign. Even if that happens it is NOT ILLEGAL for you to have a concealed firearm and you will NOT be arrested. You may be in violation of the property owner's wishes but that in itself is NOT against the law. People are confusing property rights with CCW laws.
I don't want anything I said to be mistaken as saying it was a 'law' of any sort. Hence, why I said: Don't ask. Don't tell.
I don't want anything I said to be mistaken as saying it was a 'law' of any sort. Hence, why I said: Don't ask. Don't tell.
I gotcha. I was referring to people who think they know more than me about Nevada gun laws.
This is posted for the benefit of the simpleton who wants to PM me with insults versus bringing an intelligent argument to this thread. Simply put, post the NRS or shut the **** up.
I gotcha. I was referring to people who think they know more than me about Nevada gun laws.
This is posted for the benefit of the simpleton who wants to PM me with insults versus bringing an intelligent argument to this thread. Simply put, post the NRS or shut the **** up.
My post was merely to share a related story of a mistake I made years ago which taught me a valuable lesson. I was trying to help others through my mistakes to not make the same mistakes. If a store has a sign that says 'firearm free zone' I pay it no mind if I need to go into that establishment. If it's something I can buy elsewhere I'll take my money to non-idiotic establishments. If you're staying in Vegas ALL of the casinos/hotels have this same rule so if you want to stay on the strip: Don't ask. Don't tell. That's all I'm saying. I'm not going to use this platform to suggest anyone do anything but I'm stating my personal stance. I'm not aware of any actual laws that prevent it however even though the people at the hotel/casino tried to imply that there was.
Even if that happens it is NOT ILLEGAL for you to have a concealed firearm and you will NOT be arrested. You may be in violation of the property owner's wishes but that in itself is NOT against the law. People are confusing property rights with CCW laws.
I agree it's not LIKELY you'll be arrested, and yes there's a difference between private property "policies" and CCW laws. However, it's definitely POSSIBLE to be arrested for trespassing, and a large public place may press charges against you. I sure wouldn't take my chances that they WON'T do so.
I'm not using this as an argument to not carry in such places, but just sayin', it IS a problem that so many private places are prohibiting carry. Even if you keep things concealed, it makes things more complicated if you are ever "made" or worse yet, if you have to actually deploy your CCW.
Dont Be a Dumbass Rules for Concealed Carry:
Know your local laws.
Keep your gun on you.
Keep it hidden.
Keep your mouth shut about it.
Avoid active security measures.
If you follow these rules, you should be okay.
Anyone want to add anything?
Dont Be a Dumbass Rules for Concealed Carry:
Know (and comply with) your local laws.
Fixed it for you. The one I tweaked would have saved that TN women a lot of hassle in NY state.
Fixed it for you. The one I tweaked would have saved that TN women a lot of hassle in NY state.
If she had kept her mouth shut, she would have been fine.
If she had kept her mouth shut, she would have been fine.
Absolutely, that's what she should have done in the circumstances given she had the pistol with her. Even better though, would be if she had just familiarized herself with NY law before going into the state, and then complied with the law. I know folks have different views on this--and I respect those differences with regard to carry--but my stance is to COMPLY with the carry laws of a given state even if I don't agree with them.
Now back to the OP's original concern, the policy of private property owners about firearms carry, I agree this is a whole different matter. There is some legal risk if they aggressively pursue violators under trespassing or "disturbing the peace" violations, but if you can keep your CCW discrete, you won't have a problem. My main area of concern is I think we need to work actively for state-level laws that help to define the boundaries of carry on private property. For instance, I think we need better state laws like the one in Florida that protects individuals' rights to have a firearm in the car on employer premises.
since Irish could not understand me, i do know the laws on ccw and the laws on casino.
appearantly you dont read the state laws or call the att: general as i did many years ago and also yesterday.
You want to drop the snide manner. Kindly note that I didn't use the word "may..." It's not a suggestion, and here's why:
If Irish didn't understand you, it's because you type like a 13yr-old. I have to take my time reading your...and I hesitate to call it this...prose, too.
I understood what you posted. Eventually....
You're not text-messaging, so take the time to use capitals where they belong, and punctuation where it belongs, because doing otherwise means that a lot of your message is getting either lost or glossed over because the medium is pretty painful to try to read.
So, instead of trying to cover for your lack of documentation by blasting out more snide word-bukakke....how's about some legal citations to relevant law in support of your assertions? No more "heard from the 2nd neph. 1ce-removed of the hotel mgr. and the my phone conv. w/teh Att. general that you'll just have to take my word for...." horsecap.
Take your time, use complete words instead of made-up shortcuts and abbreviations, and type it out correctly....lest you be "misunderstood" yet again.
sandsunsurf
01-25-12, 15:17
Irish is correct in all of his posts.
Further, you can't be arrested for trespassing until you've been asked to leave and given a trespass warning. So if they find out you have a gun, they ask you to leave, and you comply, then you won't be arrested. The "no guns" sign does NOT carry the weight of law on private property.
Irish is correct in all of his posts.
Hey Irish, now that's a good signature line if I've ever seen one. ;)
Hey Irish, now that's a good signature line if I've ever seen one. ;)
I'm showing it to my wife. :)
I wasn't trying to cause a shitstorm, I was trying to present facts to help other forum members. Many people come to Nevada and if people are searching for relevant facts than they should get them on M4C, isn't that what we're known for? Facts, not internet gossip, hearsay and drivel.
When someone questions my integrity publically I feel a need to support my assertions and conjecture doesn't come into play. I also don't appreciate being attacked via PM and insulted by someone who obviously can't prove their assertions and insists on lowering themselves to personal insults rather than addressing the issue.
My apologies if my tone was out of line. If anyone else has any questions pertaining to Nevada state gun laws I'd be happy to address them.
Heavy Metal
01-25-12, 16:06
You cannot be charged with Trespassing if you are willing to vacate the property.
Hey Irish, now that's a good signature line if I've ever seen one. ;)
No kidding, that's a pretty strong endorsement. I'd frame that one and hang it on my wall. :-)
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