Cool! Looks like a neat setup for that type of rifle.
Updated, lower profile version. Could easily be mounted up front.
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/n...MG_2140_sm.jpg
Does anyone know if this will work with the Padded VCAS ? I have a feeling that it would not be "adjustable enough" for the single point mode.
Thanks
Another take on this topic. Disclaimer, I am not a tactical guru just a gun enthusiast.
I have a noveske rifle with a UBR stock. I have a padded vickers that is comfortable for walking around at the range. I have the rear QD push button sling swivel attached to the right side of the stock rather than the same side as the front attachment. The reason is that for walking around there is no difference in how the rifle hangs. But when switching from right to left shoulder the sling doesn't wrap up against my neck like it does when on the same side as the front attachment point.
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http://i49.tinypic.com/xngeh5.jpg
I found that I can attach the front QD push button swivel to the front cup on the stock (left side).
http://i47.tinypic.com/2urqgc8.jpg
I like this set up a lot. I also have a standard single point sling that seems to really swing around a lot when hanging. But this the above set up, I guess it's not really single point but close, there is a lot less movement/swinging of the stock (due to still being a two point). It hangs just a little lower than a true single point sling does, but about the same as all the pictures I've seen of guys doing similar mods with 2 points.
It occurred to me that you had a VTAC sling you could do the same thing and cinch it tighter to make it ride higher like a true one point sling.
Another plus about this set up is that when you switch shoulders you don't have to worry about jumping the stock over the sling. It's a really fast switch.
If you have a UBR give it a try, you might like it.
I don't see any reason it wouldn't work. You'd just have to play around with it a bit to get the "tuning" right, just like you would with any sling.
I'm not sure I'd bother, personally. I like the thinner profile of the unpadded for lighter guns, and I only use single-point slings on small, light, carbines.
You might try strapworks.com for HK snaps, webbing, buckles and other components for constructing slings. I got 2 nice steel 1" HK snaps from them for $2.50 each + $1.50 shipping.
-Matt
rob_s, I want to thank you for this thread. I saw it a while back, and after some recent use of the Magpul MS2 and ASAP, I have come to an almost identical setup as yours.
I purchased an MS2 and ASAP, and loved the versatility of quickly going from a very nice ambi 1 pt., to a 2 pt. mode, with a hands-on, across the back situation. I love the ASAP, and it couldn't be better, but there were a few things I didn't like about the MS2 sling.
First, the forward MS2 lockjaw. This thing is super heavy, spins around, (allowing your sling to get twisted), didn't work well with my forward attach point (jaw nose is very fat, and doesn't work with anything but huge attach points), and is prone to opening and dropping your gun, if not double locked (this happened to me :mad:). Its not all that speedy of a transition from 1 pt. to 2 pt., if you have to flip that hard to manipulate lockjaw's double lock lever each time.
Then, the sling's webbing itself is an issue. I like the tubular smoothness of it, but at 1", it is too narrow. It also gets twisted when running the quick adjust loop.
Thirdly, the quick adjust just seems backwards to me. I guess, coming from a VCAS, the MS2 is gonna be wierd, but even after much use, it just seems unnatural, and awkward, to tighten a sling by going from under your arm, towards your spine.
Fourthly, the quick release snapshackle....Love the idea, and it is super quick to free yourself from the gun. In all my time with the MS2, I have to admit, the snapshackle worked well, and never dropped my gun, but I can't help but feel that it is the weak link in the sling system (assuming you have the lockjaw double locked ;)), and I can see a potential for the tug cord to get snagged, and your gun hits the ground. Again, I never had this happen, but it seems very possible, in a combat situation.
So, as a quick fix, I first replaced the lockjaw with a MASH hook. That thing wasn't going to let my gun drop to the ground. But, I sacrificed a bit of ease of transition, with the MASH hook, at the front. Then, I tried an HK hook at the front. This was a good setup, but still didn't like the how the way too narrow webbing had to slip through the HK hook when in 2 pt. mode. It was still awkward and backward to me, but worked, and was an improvement over the lockjaw.
Then, the thin webbing just wore me out, and the fear of the snapshackle giving out or opening by accident, got the best of me, and I all but decided to go back to the VCAS 2 point slings. Then, I remembered how rob_s had configured his VCAS to be convertible like the MS2!!
With some playing around, and sifting through the parts boxes, I think I have the perfect sling....
I started with a BFG VCAS. Starting at the forward attach point, I used the BFG quick release fastener loop adapter, and attached to an HK hook. At the rear, to attach to the ASAP, I wanted to use a MASH hook, since I quickly had an HK hook, spontaneously disconnect from the ASAP, within a few seconds of use. From the MASH, I used a piece of 1 1/4" wide webbing, about 12-14" long and a GI sling buckle (without seeing this thread recently, it was much like rob_s' version, creepy :eek:), and connected the MASH hook to a 1 1/4" D-ring, that I recycled from an old dog collar. Then, just route the VCAS to the D-ring, and adjust.
Bingo! An MS2 imitation, with all the 1 pt. to 2 pt. advantages, with a wider sling, slide adjuster that goes the correct way, and more secure attach points at both ends! Made entirely with stuff I had on hand. Plus, I still incorporated a quick release, with the BFG fastex buckle. This the sling that Magpul should have made, instead of the MS2, in my opinion. The only things I may change, are using a black D-ring, and having the rear Mash hook to D-ring section sewed, to eliminate the GI buckle. Anyone want to buy a lightly used MS2 in FDE????
The pics....
Two point mode, with HK hook at front, MASH at rear:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...5/100_2054.jpg
One point mode, HK hook clipped to dog collar D-ring:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...5/100_2059.jpg
Closer:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...5/100_2061.jpg
Can't remember if I ever posted pics of the final iteration. What I'd really like to do is stitch in the snap hook at the one end and the D-ring on the other and get rid of the two plastic sliders.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...f/DSC_3943.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...DSC_3832-2.jpg
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