It's not unlike buying a new car, and taking it back to the dealership, while it's still under warranty.
Once the warranty expires, you can either fix it yourself, or take it to the REAL mechanic. ;)
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The rifle was still under warranty when I sold it. I just didn't have any remaining faith that sending it in again would fix any of the problems I sent it in for the first time.
They couldn't even read a ONE PAGE letter with complete instructions. And when they "fix" somethings that has obviously been correctly addressed already and replace it with ill fitting parts and a shim and then lose the corrected part you paid for...well that is Century Arms quality warranty work.
I think I sold about a dozen of these with the original group buy we did. Every single one of them had the same problem and every single person experienced a similar "warranty" story. They taught me there and then that it is a product I do not want to own and cannot be associated with.
I didn't make any of the damn guns but about a dozen people were less than happy with "me."
I tried to post this and I hope I just hit the wrong button and it didn't go up. Don't want you all to have to see a duplicate post.
First off, I'm a new member. First post. Thanks to all for having me. I'm a former FMF Navy Corpsman, my Dad was an enlisted Marine and my boy's a Marine Lt. attending aviation school at NAS Pensacola, so as the "Navy" man in the family, I am the black sheep. I do bring many years of medical training to the forum, though, so I hope I can be helpful. I'm not too shabby with guns, either, if I may say so.
I know what I am going to say in the next paragraph is heresy, but I acquired a Springfield Armory pre-89 SAR-3 in pristine condition in exchange for some unneeded and rarely used firearms.
I always wanted a good .308 carbine and sent my SAR-3 to Jayson at IGF (Investment Grade Firearms) and had him convert it to G3K configuration. It has a 12.5" barrel with a permanently attached 4" four-pronged flash hider. It looks and functions beautifully.
The rifle can be deployed easily in a vehicle or on foot.
I have a ventilated handguard with picatinny rails from HKParts.net, two standard G3 stocks and a Choate side folding stock. (Had the H&K collapsible, but it beats the crap out of ones face). For a grip, I have the Magpul AFG.
Optically, I'm using the H&K STANAG claw-mount with a Hensoldt Fero-Z 24 4x scope with a battery-powered reticle illuminator. I can still use the standard irons with this set-up.
I know I am losing some fps with the short barrel, but I wanted a dead reliable carbine that packs a punch and this bad boy fits the bill. Additionally, mags were plentiful and cheap, although I must now keep them out of state due to NY's stupid SAFE Act. Will move the rifle prior to required "registration" by January. For longer range work, I have a variety of scoped bolt guns in .223, .308 and .300 WM.
All-in-all, she's a beautiful carbine, rugged, reliable and accurate, albeit heavy. I would do it again tomorrow and every day after given the choice. Jayson did a fine job.
Too late now but I would have sent it to ARS for their G3k job. Information can be found on Page 3 of this topic.
I'm amazed you are able to deal with the Choate side folder on a .308, mine quickly became a mousetrap and the bolt carrier destroyed the rubber plug they claim is a recoil buffer.
Yes, the sliding parastock is horrible and functions mostly as a meat tenderizer. I have one on a 51 and the only reason it's still there is it looks cool and I rarely shoot it.
Any .308 HK I actually shoot has a fixed stock and nothing else. At least you have a decent rifle, SAR-3s are great guns and you can always decide to change the stock if and when you decide the Choate sucks.
And welcome to the forum.
Actually, I did speak with the gent from ARS, but he had a really bad attitude about it. I do realize, as it's a trait that I possess as well, that he may have just been having a bad day or maybe someone had just really ticked him off before speaking with me on the phone, so I didn't take offense.
Initially, some jack*** at ORF had the gun and kept telling me "two more weeks" for 14 months until I got so angry I said to send it back. When I got it, it was in the original box I mailed it in, unopened. It just had a new shipping label slapped over my original. That was way back before I knew there were so many unqualified, poorly run outfits out there. With the gun situation being what it is, especially in NY, I probably won't send any of my "good" guns out for long term gunsmithing as laws change and you can get screwed, as I did by putting a WASR up for consignment, only to have NY pass the SAFE Act and it made selling the gun in NY illegal and the gunstore wouldn't give it back to me as the "fine print" said they have 180 days to sell it and you can't get it back until then.
Jayson at IGF truly did an awesome job on the rifle. He told me up front that it was going to be quite a while (gave me a time frame) and stuck to it. He kept me informed and delivered when promised. The finished product was fantastic.
FWIW, I have had no problems with the Choate (must've got a good one) and I practice with it constantly as I believe there is no use in having a piece of equipment if you cannot employ it it an instant without even thinking. I guess it's a remnant of my military days.
As I said, I have 2 H&K standard stocks and I often use one in place of the choate. Again, have to be ready if one breaks and be good with it. I've been thinking about getting the Magpul larger stock as well, but at over two bills, it can wait. Throwing more money into loading components right now.
Maybe you, or one of the other forum members can answer this: I also bought a H & K plastic trigger housing from IGF that was properly modified for semi-auto only guns. The thing is, it has the S-E-F markings on it. I have put it in the "F" (Feuerstoss) or full-auto setting, just to ensure there would be NO accidental FA discharge and it works as a semi. I just worry that people at the range give the gun the "fisheye" when they see the S-E-F group, even though it doesn't function as such. I love the feel of the plastic group, but am loathe to use it at the range for that reason. Is it fully legal, or can someone make an issue of it. It's not the internals, just a housing. Thanks.
Every clone build I have ever seen had the SEF converted trigger group. I really wouldn't give it a second thought hell most don't even know what SEF means.
I have heard that about ARS before, it's a shame. You also seem to have had a "common experience" with ORF. Sadly there are LOTS of smiths who no longer seem to enjoy their work and many, many who have no idea what they are doing.
"Two weeks" is a industry joke term and loosely translates to "**** off, stop calling me."
Jason is a good guy, I'd also recommend Curtis at S&H Arms.
You have a semi only legal pack. You are no more illegal than if you took a crayon and scribbled AUTO on your AR-15 rifle. Now being legal and having local authorities who understand you are legal can be two different things.
A bit of a bump here, but I am seriously considering a PTR-91 at the moment and need a bit of advice.
I am debating between a GI model and adding the MFI claw mount, or pressing the easy button and purchasing the PTR with the rail already welded on the receiver. The price difference is nominal, so it comes down to a question of quality. The rail is welded directly at the PTR factory.
Thanks! :D