That I need to practice rifle more often...... I went shooting with a friend and my rifle groups at 25 yards look bothersomely like my pistol groups at 25 yards.
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That I need to practice rifle more often...... I went shooting with a friend and my rifle groups at 25 yards look bothersomely like my pistol groups at 25 yards.
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Wanted to bring this back as I thought there was some valuable input. One of the more recent things I realized was on the importance of breathing, something I've always kind of disregarded except when zeroing or shooting beyond 100m. I realized though that I have a bad habit of holding my breath during drills and think that may be why I get fatigued rather quickly. My rifle isn't really heavy and I'm in decent shape and I've caught myself doing it before so I think it makes sense. I'm trying to incorporate very forced breath cycles into dry fire now because my hands become unsteady way too fast.
I am a beginner with less than two years experience. I found out the C-grip is better for quick followup shooting so I changed to it along with the stance change and moving the stock towards the center of my body. These changes made the sling uncomfortable so I modified the sling.
I get a LOT more accomplished shooting by myself than I do with others unless it's an actual class.
I recently ran my standard maintenance COF that I do at 25 yards practicing multiple positions, reloads, shooting from non-traditional positions, etc...then decided to turn off my red dot and run it again running only through my lower 1/3 co-witnessed fixed sights. groups opened WAY up, took me almost 2x as long as well. need more irons practice in difficult positions
Lying on my side shooting off my left side/support side underneath a simulated vehicle... I realized how much of a struggle it was to reach the mag on my left hip (the one I'm lying on) when my trigger arm is the one I'm lying on... it was a cluster**** and I got up after the drill shaking my head at how horribly inefficiently I ran that drill. deadman laying there.
Going to need some optics soon.
Aside from the fact that I suck...
I need to work carbine at close ranges. I’ve been doing the 100 yd and longer from supported positions. My ability to run a gun in close now sucks. I need to balance my range time FAAAAAR better.
Also, my arms strength has gone to poop since I’ve retired from playing soccer. 2 mags of low ready to target and my left bicep was sore.
I learned that I suck, and I mean S-U-C-K at shooting off hand, opposite side (Shooting left handed. I'm right handed). I can't even find the sights. I need a LOT of practice in this area.
I have always found the same to be true. I train by myself. I fun shoot with others.
Your not dead if you can get hits. At some point your equipment is not going to be optimally situated. Maybe think about a reload on the way down so you have a full mag to get it done.
You want to train like you are going to fight. If you don't wear a chest rig or war belt all the time, you need to practice without that gear.
I generally practice reloads from a back pocket because I HOPE if I need my rifle I'll have the wherewithall to pick up the spare mag I have staged with it. And, yes, I've practiced putting it into my pocket correctly.
The smallest improvement can huge.
Ive gotten better at trigger control, but my grip always seems to be an issue.
If I could keep my damn thumb off the slide lock (sig 226) for instance.
Practice, practice, practice.
Ed
My hands get sweaty when shooting pistol, and I find my support hand fingers slipping on the back of my strong hand fingers sometimes. I found myself having to re-adjust my support grip mid-string as my hands got sweatier.
Gloves help, but I don't generally use gloves when shooting pistol; especially at an indoor range. I rock climb, and recently started using liquid chalk. It dries on your hands to improve your grip and isn't as messy as loose (powdered chalk). I tried some the last couple of times shooting (just a bit on the back of my strong hand fingers and my support hand fingertips), and it made a noticeable improvement. Support hand didn't slip and felt much firmer/stable.
Here's what I use: https://www.blackdiamondequipment.co...gaAlTVEALw_wcB
I have learned when you make a change, an improvement, it may set in motion other changes which were unanticipated.
I've been in to guns for 15 years but it's just been in the last 2-3 years that I really began taking shooting seriously and started training. In that relatively short period of time I've acquired a taste for things just as a wine connoisseur or cigar aficionado does, and transitioned from being a run of the mill collector and enthusiast to becoming a shooter. I've learned what works for me and what doesn't, and sold off the vast majority of my old stuff to consolidate and focus in on that. I used to see consistency as redundancy and thought guys with nothing but three or four ARs and Glocks were boring. In practice, I quickly found that I had a vast array of wildly different firearms that I just thought were cool and only had passing familiarity with any of them.
One thing I learn every single time I'm out is how much more time and money I need to put in to my training. I am inconsistent. I have days where I feel like a badass leaving the range and others when I feel like a loser. It's that "consistent inconsistency" that drives me nuts and it's purely due to a lack of time on the range. Sometimes there's something I saw online that I want to try, so I go out and get ahead of myself trying to do things above my skill level or that push me past the limits of my current mastery of the fundamentals. I am not a professional and my everyday life does not permit me to be on the range as often as I'd like, but it's something I now strive towards.
Beyond that, I'm only 30 but every time I hit the range I'm reminded of my poor physical condition compared to just a few years ago. I'm fatter, my knees hurt, my left hip/groin area "catches" all the time and hurts like hell, my eyes suck more and more every year. It prompted me to start watching my diet a little closer, be more active and start wearing corrective lenses full time, which has translated to good things in day to day life beyond shooting.
Here is something I've seen guys use: Krunch Products Pro Grip Enhancer:
http://benstoegerproshop.com/pro-gri...ottle-2-fl-oz/
https://dawsonprecision.com/pro-grip...nhancer-spray/
Plus there are all kinds of general athletic products such as Cramer Firm Grip in either powder or spray: http://www.cramersportsmed.com/firm-grip-4-oz
I tried a golf grip hand spray I bought at WalMart after attending a course put on by Robert Vogel (I don't remember what he used) it was more of an anti-persperant for your hands then it was stick-um.
Although you specifically mentioned not using gloves, I currently use these gloves and love them: https://www.rogersshootingschool.com...gersgloves.php
Before I got the Rogers Gloves you would have had to beat me with a stick to wear shooting gloves during the summer months, now I don't leave home without them.
I am in complete agreement on the breathing! I really noticed this trying to shoot the Navy Qual drill (Jeff Gonzales, et al) 5 standing, 5 kneeling 5 prone into an 8" target. I also noticed the breathing issue, or rather lack thereof, while participating in a defensive pistol comp a couple of weeks ago. On the Navy Qual, I was holding my breath in while shooting standing and kneeling. Definitely contributed to me throwing shots out of the ring.
During the pistol match, I burned through entire Glock mags without breathing out. Kills accuracy since the fatigue catches up quickly. As soon as I reminded myself to breathe, I was more accurate. Also, the breath hold causes me to anticipate the shot break and flinch more often.
I learned that with a pistol, I need more work on basic trigger control. Strangely enough, this is more of an issue for me in SA than in DA. Fundamentals.
I was reading the thread Two for Flinching and saw 26Inf's dry fire lesson plan. I used it daily for about a week and the first time I went live fire. I learned I was releasing the trigger all the way between shots, although I thought I wasn't, instead of only to the reset point. This proved to be hard to overcome without slowing way down and being very conscious of holding the trigger back after the shot and then easing it back to reset. I think it will take a lot live fire to over come the habit of releasing the trigger all the way because dry fire doesn't replicate the recoil and cycling of the action in such a short time.
They have proved to be more durable than they look. And I'm not wild about the looks, they remind me of the isotoner gloves my mom wore in the 70's, but they work.
I believe they are made by Hatch. At least that is what Optics Planet advertises them as, here is the link, it has a pretty good picture: https://shop.opticsplanet.com/hatch-...SABEgKv8vD_BwE
ETA: I just pulled mine out of the bag, the label is pretty worn, I couldn't read anything.
This is true. You can speed up the process in dryfire, but not while holding on a target, which is why I advocate the between the legs thing.
As soon you feel the striker release you should be going to the reset.
IIRC Firefly and I are the only ones who talk much about the Bill Rogers Shooting School. If I can describe it accurately, Rogers teaches 'press, flip, press' with no emphasis on remaining in contact with the trigger. I gave it my best shot when I was there, but I couldn't retrain myself from the method that I described.
I've also trained with Rob Vogel. From his teaching I finally became aware that I was not gripping the gun tightly enough. This was eye opening, because folks had commented to me that it looked like I was shooting a .22 when demoing multiple shoot drills. I was gripping the weapon tight enough to control it, but not tight enough that I couldn't tighten my grip during the press.
Back home I started using grippers (until I got tendenitis - LOL) and slowed down to focus on a tighter grip. I saw immediate improvement. I also noticed that my arms and hands were physically tired after my normal 200 round range sessions.
Its a journey.
Now that my right (dominant) hand is in a cast for 8-10 weeks, I've learned how much of a dumbass I am for not working on my left hand shooting more. Obviously I will have time to work on it now:mad:
I've been indoor rock climbing for about 6 years now (2-3 times a week, 2-3 hours each session); and it develops finger/grip/forearm strength that I never previously had even with 30 years of lifting weights (and chinups etc). As a side benefit, I've noticed an improvement in my recoil control with a pistol (due to a firmer grip without using as much energy as before and stronger forearms), and also endurance (grip-wise).
Well took the day off and went down to the range, sub 20 degree weather and snow be damned, I was going to shoot today. Anyway, Drug out my EDC 19, my 1911, and my little Colt .38, since we were talking about them earlier this week, and finally my HD BCM. Side note, while I wasn't running any especially hard, the only gun that malfed was the revolver. Mostly because it looked like I didn't let the trigger all the way out at speed and in gloves, but I did get the cylinder to lock up a couple times.
Anyway, shooting in gloves I found that the gloves I was using changed my grip enough that I was throwing rounds a little at distance since it was causing me to push the gun to the left a little. Cold and fatigue did not help. Also, did some reload drills, if you haven't tried to reload a glock in gloves, in cold weather, with four layers on with your reload against your skin, then you have not tried to do a cold weather reload. I ****ed some shit up on that one. Good training though.
lastly, did some testing on some M3 MCT mags. I like them. They ran good. Probably going to get some more. But, that wasn't the interesting part. The interesting part was that running my BCM with Aimpoint between the heat/smoke/vapor coming off the rifle, and what I was putting during some of the drills, I managed to fog my Aimpoint, not completely but a fair bit on a number of drills. That was interesting, and has be reconsidering cold weather configs.
I’ve been learning that as I try to improve my pistol accuracy, grip is a major factor. Not grip strength in my fingers, but rather how I apply it. I noticed that I had a sympathetic tightening of fingers as I neared the end of the pull, opening my groups. The solution has been dry fire practice, and allowing my right thumb to press harder against the frame. This cured what I initially thought might be a flinch.
After spending 2.5 months focusing on carbine work, my pistol skills deminished markedly.
I think I'm going to go back to AR mags with the bullets rear on my belt. I've been trying bullets forward like a pistol mag for about a year and a half since thats how I'd have to pull them from a chest rig, but I'm still faster and more consistent with them facing rear I think.
That is pretty common.
Magazine orientation. If additional magazines are carried they should be oriented so that they are indexed properly for reloading.
Support Side Carry – magazines should be carried with bullets oriented to the rear. This enables the shooter to acquire a ‘beer can’ grip on the magazine.
Chest-mount Carry – magazines should be carried with bullets oriented to the strong side. This enables the shooter to get a more traditional index where the index finger runs down the front of the magazine and the palm is on the bottom of the magazine.
I tried out a friends G17 with RMR on it a couple of days ago. I learned that I'm not driving my G17/19 down off the draw when I shoot with speed. This was evident with the RMR as the dot was nowhere to be seen on the first few draws. After getting comfortable with just how much driving down needs to occur, I found my draw from holster to shot with irons vastly improved. I always thought I was driving down and simply missing the left by pulling the trigger too much, but it appears my shots miss by going high quite a bit off the draw unless I'm really focused, for example in a "dot torture" type drill. Still anticipating the break though. This was very evident when running the ball and dummy drills. More work to do.
So, this is where the argument about grip to bore angle comes into play. Some people say grip angle doesn't matter (since you can always adjust your wrist and train to accommodate any grip angle), but I also believe that not everyone has the same neutral/natural wrist angle. The same grip angle can work fine for some people without the need to adjust the wrist, and some people might have to consciously adjust their angle more. If I close my eyes, draw my Glock and press out towards a target, I find that my front sight is usually high. It has always been the case for me. So, I consciously have to drive my wrists down a bit so the sights will line up. This was most apparent when I started using the RMR on my G17 years ago.
So, when I recently built both G19 and G17 polymer 80 frames with their more 1911-like grip angles, I found that I didn't have to drive the front sight down as much. In other words, the grip angle of the polymer80 frame was closer to my wrists' natural angle. With the G17 RMR slide on the polymer80 frame, I can close my eyes, present, open my eyes, and see the dot immediately without as much correction. Without changing anything except the frame, I'm quicker with the RMR now that I was before.
Yes, through training and repetition, you can accommodate any grip angle. But I believe that the closer the grip angle is to your natural point of aim, the less you'll have to deviate from your neutral position to align the sights, and the easier it'll be to get your sight picture.
Once I figured out I was shooting high off the draw, when I would present with the RMR and I could see the dot I would pull the trigger and the shots were hitting steel quite consistently. This was quite "eye opening" for me. What do you think of the Polymer 80 frames as far as a HD/carry platform? Are they reliable using the jig?
Time will tell - I've got about 1000 rounds on the G19 so far and about 300 on the G17. No issues (not that I expect any), but I'm sure P80 owners will start posting issues if they come up eventually. Contrary to what P80 recommends, I think that using a drill press with the jig would be better than using a hand drill only with the jig (which is what I did). It's hard to hold the drill perfectly perpendicular so the holes are perfectly lined up and straight. On the plus side, there's no danger of the pins falling out as they're so tight. :)
That honestly I never bother with the G17 anymore. Mine is sentimental.
G19 or 34 (more 19)
A G19 is the only gun I need despite my long hands.
My .45 days are pretty much behind me, but if I go to the woods; I am toting a G20 or a .44 Annerconder(I dont pronounce it that way but everyone else does)
Never enough el prez or DOT torture.
I’d like to own a 44 Annerconder!
Nice gun.
Ed
At 50yds standing, i revisited stance with the AR. Keeping my offhand arm more parallel to the ground reduced sight movement during the shot. I tried tucking the elbow down and it was detrimental to followups.