It's worth what you paid for it. Maybe.
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It's worth what you paid for it. Maybe.
mbogo
friend of made his own 300 brass and casts his bullets. his handloads are cheappppppp
Somewhere around a $1.15 a round seems to be all I've been able to find it at, not that anyone is in stock with more than a box or two.
Without confirmed orders for it, I wouldn't be in a rush to buy up inventory on a round I couldn't move with relative ease... That said, I'm just one opinion. I would think that this would be the place where 300 buyers could be found.
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Here are PNW Arms and Remington prices. You can decide if Black Hills is worth more or not, and then factor in case price. It is best to list it on my forum, and then I will relist it on the Facebook page. I don't expect to see a lot more 300 BLK ammo from Black Hills on the commercial market as brass is limited and they will probably be focusing on military orders so for people who want this brand, this may be their only chance.
http://store.pnwarms.com/rifle-ammo/...-blackout.html
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/187...-otm-box-of-20
I love the caliber, definitely not giving up on it just as it's starting to catch steam
I don't know about "fair", but top of the line 300 BLK defensive ammo is probably worth about $1.50 (Barnes) a round. Barnes is available now at least in small quantities around that price. I'm guessing Barnes has pretty much caught up with their demand shortfall and are now starting to talk new 300 BLK products (120gr black tip). For example, Midway has been able to stay in stock for several weeks now with a 5 box limit.
Practice ammo was at about $0.50 (Remington UMC) a round although is not available right now. That said, Remington is re-tooling for higher volumes in '14 which will likely mark the end of the 300 BLK ammo shortage and return to similar pricing for practice ammo.
While Whisper should work in 300 BLK, I doubt many 300 BLK folks are shopping it.
There are a fair number of smaller shops shipping 300 BLK ammo right now. Personally I'm not too interested in their offerings since it doesn't stack up to Barnes for defensive/hunting, and it's overly expensive for practice. That and I consider it unclear how well it performs. But these guys are who are getting the customers right now because they have stock.
Personally, if I were you I'd take a pass on this stuff if you are considering the 300 BLK users. Once Remington UMC starts hitting the shelves people are going to start getting picky. And for hunting/defense Barnes is hard to beat and it's available now. You can probably undersell it, but you have to convince folks to take it vs Barnes and what they can currently get. And... you'll want to move it before the the other reputable 300 BLK specific rounds coming back into stock. There are also new products that will probably start showing soon.
As for the 200gr+ ammo, I dunno. I haven't been watching the subsonic market.
If you do pick it up I'd try to move it fast.
-john
I am convinced that it is harder to sell if the box says Whisper (R).
On the other hand, Hornady discontinued 150 types of ammunition back in June to focus on a fewer number of more mainstream products that they could sell in higher volumes and not suffer from the overhead of tool changes on their production line. For example, they suspended 14 different 223/5.56mm loads, 14 different 30-06 loads, and 21 different 308 loads.
None of their 300 Whisper loads were suspended. Their sales figures evidently consider it popular enough that it made the cut to stay in production even during this ammo crunch and with the goal of cutting most of their products.
While the "caliber cutting" seems like great support when there are no cuts being made to 300W, it's anecdotal evidence at best. Hornady only lists a pair of Whisper loads on their site. One supersonic and one subsonic. Cutting even a single load would remove one of two reasons to use the caliber. They can afford to suspend 10-15 loads of 5.56/30-06/7.62 because they were loading 25-30 to begin with.
I'm not saying that 300W is going away, just that the evidence above isn't somehow a show of support for it. When they start releasing NEW loads for the 300W you've got compelling evidence that they are seeing dealer/shooter support for it.
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You gave a reason that would encourage them to keep it so long as it were selling well.
Tool changes still take a few hours, and so that is time that you cannot be making other ammo. If they did not have sales to justify long production runs between tool changes, it would be gone.
They offer two loadings of 458 Lott too...
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@stormin - We just posted in this thread where you can find it at 60 cents a bullet all day long. Folks are still holding out for the cheaper than 5.56 prices... But sorry that's not going to happen at least for some time as 5.56 is 40 cents a round if you can find it as it is averaging 45- 50cents/round the last 8 months.
10-15 cents more a bullet vs 5.56 is not much to complain about considering it's not a true mass produced NATO round and utilizes a 90% heavier bullet.
I posted the price I found in stock for 300. Doesn't change my world. I don't mess around with 300 W/BLK as of right now. I'm still on the fence about a few other builds, and have no need for a 300.
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walked into a Field and Stream today, shelf FULL of Remington Premier Match 125 grain at $33/box. Its not exactly cheap training ammo, but its not bad considering its available and its match ammo. Good enough for me to grab a few box's to zero my new 300 and shoot for some groups while I wait for the cheaper .60c/round ammo from Ozark to arrive.
I just cranked out my first .300 sub rounds on my reloader yesterday. I can't wait to test fire.
For anyone thinking about reloading, jump in with a progessive like the Dillon 550B. Hornady dies with Lee factory crimp die. 7.62x39 powder drop funnel in the powder tube. I cranked out 200 rounds in about 30 mins once I got the dies set up. I have a single stage press and only use it for the occasional batch of 7mm magnums. It's waaay too slow for doing large batches.
For plinking rounds you don't need much case prep- tumble to clean, spray with hornady one-shot lube, and feed into the press. Every handle pull gets you a new round. The only big slow down is after 100 rounds you have to do the primer pick-up tube re-fill which is a bit tedious.
Remington UMC brass, Sierra 220gr round nose hunting bullets (cheap and they were in stock at the time), CCI magnum small rifle primers. 11.2 grains of A1680 powder.
I'll make sure the bullets feed and function before buying a bunch more.
Cost? Hard to tell- I think I used 1/4lb of powder. So about $8
Brass- free
Primers - $4
Bullets -$30
So .42 cents a round off the top of my head. The 220gr bullets by far are the most expensive part. Sierra match kings are $45/100 so the cost per round would be up around 57 cents a shot.
The last time I took it out, I only had 40 rounds of factory subs. With the suppressor it was so much fun to shoot with no ear plugs, ringing a steel plate at 100 yards. For when you want more than a .22 and near silent shooting, you can't beat it.
Get a good brass catcher for the rifle.
I recently invested in the equipment to make my own blackout. Very cool to shoot ammo I made out of a rifle I put together. I do think the price per round quotes are misleading, to an extent. It is labor intensive if you are making correctly. Yes, materials cost per round is fine, but your time (hours of it) and cost of tools need to be factored in also. I do agree this total cost should decline the more rounds you make.
Sheridan guage, dies, chop saw, chop saw jig, WFT trimmer, my TIME( did I mention HOURS), ect. and any/everything else needs to be factored in. I try not to laugh when I hear someone say they are going to make their own blackout, cause it is sooo cheap and simple. I mean, all you have to do is cut the neck off and stick a 308 boolit in it. :)
I also constantly have friends ask me why I don't just stick pulled 147gr for plinking ammo. I tell them, with the TIME and labor I spent making cases, why would I stick crap in it? Hornady 125 SST kick butt and are still pretty cheap.
As someone else pointed out, Ozark Ordinance has relatively inexpensive ammo if you are looking for blaster ammo. I have read nothing but good things about their quality.
While I'm here, one of my growing pet peeves: some older FUDD will act like me and anyone else who like blackout is stupid for messing with "some weird wildcat" while knowing nothing about it. Not only is it not a wildcat, when I ask them what they load/shoot, it is something like "238 Roberts Ackley improved whizbang" that was popular in 1928. Oh yea, and it's a wildcat. :)
Well it's a lot easier to save the brass from factory shot loads. I had a bunch of that. Plus I had a box of 500 new remington primed brass. Yes it's on backorder, but I ordered it and a few months later and they showed up. It's a long process to get all the stuff together. But a lot easier than trimming brass down. Plus I like having the correct headstamp on the brass so some dummy doesn't think it's really .223.
Also reloading is cheaper in the long run if you do other calibers too. With a dillon, I'm under $200 to have a complete caliber change kit and powder measure ready to go on a stand.
I also reload for .50 beowulf- which is a huge cost saver. 44 magnum goes from $1 a shot to about 7 cents with cast bullets and light powder loads. .40 S&W with plated bullets is also super cheap to make.
I don't shoot that often and I save up my brass and components. So 3-4 times a year I get everything assembled and refill my ammo safe. Gives me time to acquire components, etc when they are short supply.
And with components, the cost is spread out over the year so when you shoot, you're not thinking "$1 a pop". You can blast away and enjoy the day.
I would think somebody would use Mil pulls, 147-150gr for pills and cut cheep brass to make a good 300blk blaster round. I would buy them for fun shooting if under $1 per at least.
A 150 super FMJ would probably be a good all around shtf round, great penetration for sure. Any body finds such a thing please bark. Me caveman I know dis, out.
Yeah - there is stuff like that for 60 cents a round. You just need to be on the 300 BLK forum or Facebook page to see all of that stuff posted.
http://www.300blktalk.com/forum/view...85484&start=20
I had a talk with a reloader at the LGS yesterday....he seems to believe that Black Powder and other reloading supplies are about to also come under additional scrutiny by other federal agencies (shipping, etc.) making it harder to get. Any of you in the industry heard same? Of course, he was also big on the lead issue....
I suspect that the price of 300 BLK will remain high until govt contracts push the production volume beyond of the enthusiast-induced demand.
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I've recently found some 147g range ammo online for around 70 cents a round. But I think I'm gonna have to start forming 300 from 223 cases and reloading.
When supply is limited, demand raises prices, not lowers it.
Got 500 roounds of 147's in from Ozark yesterday. I'll let you guys know how it shoots, hopefully I'll get out to the range this week.
Cranked out 500 rds of Hornady 150 gr FMJ's for a carbine class I was co-teaching last week. Shot about 350 of those. This morning I trimmed 100 rds of 5.56 brass cut/sized and loaded those up with the same. Then I pulled and reloaded 30 more rds that I'd initially loaded a little too hot. It's really the only way to shoot 300 blk right now like I shoot 5.56.
That won't really solve your problem either. I reload everything I shoot for the 300 BLK. Trying to find a steady supply of suitable bullets has been like chasing unicorns. To see what I mean just check the 4 largest reloading suppliers and see what they have in stock for 110 to 130 grain .308 bullets.
Oops! wrong thread, I only shoot supers and the Hornady 150 FMJs can be had in 2100 rd bulk packs. Happy hunting.
Thanks for the heads up on the FB page, I will keep my eyes open for some deals!
Practice with 5.56 until your stash is large enough. Then get into reloading it. For goodness sake it uses everything but the damn barrel.
Id love to have one but everything 300 comes with an insane premium in price, so no way for now
I see no reason to get into this caliber unless you reload... I have plenty 223 brass, so I can trim, load, and shoot match ammo for ~$.40/rd, w/ plinking ammo ~$.25/rd. It's a no brainer IMO.
Unless you reload. I going to be a pricey round.
Southwest ammunition has plenty, I use their sub 308 and they are fantastic.
Can't see the reason to 300.