So did the UK Army even take into account what the Marines wanted? I thought that the Royal Marines had a bit more latitude apart from the army
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I don't disagree but any choice is a series of compromises. They made them for reasons of which we cannot really understand the full dimensions.
I don't know what their requirements were or even how they intend on deploying these rifles, but at first blush the ACOG can do many things quite well in the DMR role especially if it's already in the inventory but ultimately it depends on how they intend on deploying the weapon system.Quote:
The 6X ACOG is not the preferrred optic for that kind of work, for a plethora of reasons. There were good guys trying to fix the issue, but in the end it was a UK Army program with the UK Army making the final decisions. We'll see where the program sits in a couple of years.
To define: It would seem that if they're precision focused "sniper-lite" than there are better optics that lend to better precision. My understanding is that the DMR optic doesn't need that same precision but it does need to be fast. To paraphrase the distinction between his methods and a DMR a sniper told me; 'instead of one shot one kill, it's more like three shots one kill.' For that class I used the 3x30 ACOG on a FAL which was maxing out at 6-800 yards but did so convincingly. I would imagine that 6x improves that capability but I believe it when you say that this is not what they ideally wanted to end up with.
They have some large helmets.
i honestly don't know but the *shiny* gas tube thing diesn't seem like that's the reason. on my MWS you can hardley see the tube as is. if that were the reason, why would you tape up the bottom? the gas tube can't be seen from there.
you're not really keeping dirt out with that big open end. if dirt gets in, where is it going to go? it doesn't seem like it would be that much of an issue.
camo would seem like a good answer. i would rather just paint my rifle but what ever works.
other ideas? i just think this is interesting.
Failure is correct imho....Any good sniper goes to measures WAYYYY beyond just making sure to tape the gas tube. Any good counter sniper of sentry is not looking for something that sticks out whenever he looks at the said area.....rather its just that one sparkle @ 500m on a rocky alcove on a Hindu Kush Mtn. side that just for one split second catches the eye of the detector. Its nice to see those guys doing that.......means they are the real deal hollyfield's:cool:
Just my 2cents....which in the economy goes nowhere:D
Keep in mind the guys deploying these are not snipers, just 'sharpshooters' the Commonwealth description of a Designated Marksman...
The ACOG works as it gives a troop with little knowledge about trajectory, the ability to engage without adjusting turrets on a scope or holding off using a mil/mrad reticle.
It is both...3 Cdo Bge consists of 3 "Commando" grps, 40, 42 & 45 as well as support units such as 539 Assault Sqdn, Logistics group and Information expoitation group..
"Commando" is also the title given once a Noddy successfully completes commando training at Lympstone and earns the green beret.
Woah, rattle some cages did I?
Since this thread lacks any kind of actual direction I don't feel too bad about our gang-hijack.
Let me see if I can better quantify some of my observations.
Note- I was attached to the MoD when the LMT was adopted.
Tape on fore-end:
It's to camouflage the handguard.
Really.
Covering all the vent holes isn't a great idea since it will cause the barrel to heat up faster due to lack of air-flow, but that's not a huge deal for a gun that is intended for precision use with a very limited role as a suppressive weapon in extreme circumstances.
MoD procurement: Getting better. The procurement of the LMT is vastly different than other programs that have a wider distribution. One might wonder why the MoD decided to go with a weapon produced by a new-comer to the 7.62 AR market over a well-proven design. It might be interesting for those following the program to know what, exactly the LMT was competing against. It might be interesting to know what Knight's rifle was involved, especially considering that the KAC 7.62 guns are the most evolved and most used 7.62 ARs in pertinent use.
The problems are largely attributable to a lack of SMEs- primarily due to the fact that a large percentage of their truly caipable are busy fighting wars and/or teaching, and lack a history of operationally employed DMs. The people making the call lack broad-base expertise and advice. Sure, a fixed 6x will work, but lacking good distance estimation reticle (and no, the ACOG BDC is not), achieving good
result at ranges other than those in even 100 meter increments is unlikely. Something in the 3-9x range works much better, especially if it has readily adjusted and repeatable elevation and windage adjustments.
Sure, using mil-dots takes training, but so does learning environmental factors, learning precision shooting, learning positions, learning how to maintain a new weapon, and learning the manipulations of a new weapon. And learning mil-dots and mil-holds simplifies a lot of other factors.
Agreed, what happened happened, and second guessing won't do anything, but in my opinion short-changing the trigger-puller sucks.