Looking for an all metal ar15 stock (not a fan of polymer). Top contenders Fortis LA Stock and JL Billet Stock. Only requirements are that’s it’s all metal (within reason) and adjustable LOP, any recommendations?
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Looking for an all metal ar15 stock (not a fan of polymer). Top contenders Fortis LA Stock and JL Billet Stock. Only requirements are that’s it’s all metal (within reason) and adjustable LOP, any recommendations?
You could try one of the vintage vinyl coated aluminum stocks - or more precisely a reproduction version, since the originals are $$$. Essential Arms in Louisiana makes a good one.
saw these on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cchXJenT9wA
At half the weight of my top contenders that just moved to first place.
What are the advantages of a metal stock vs polymer?
If you can get similar weight while being stronger why not go aluminum.
Apparently some want to use their firearm as a club or hammer.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaramillo4418
Polymer doesn't have memory like wood, aluminum, or steel. Let's say you drop the rifle or hit it, polymer won't deform unless it breaks. This may be of no benefit to someone, but let it be known that modern plastics and nylon are much better than they once we're. That's why you see m4/m16 butt stocks so many years and even deployments later.
In some cases the geometry of an object doesn't require steel (given the task). Polymer can actually weigh more than "some" finished grades of aluminum.
Plastics don't corrode the way aluminum and steel does either, so it's better suited for all environments (it can break down though after a very long time)
Lastly putting your cheek against a 0° Fahrenheit stock is not fun. Wood would be my choice in that environment, steel and aluminum has to be the worst for that
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Bashing trees...
https://66.media.tumblr.com/9296607c...g2fo1_1280.jpg
Bashing rocks until pieces broke off (of the rock). The visible cracks are from being struck.
https://66.media.tumblr.com/47f508a9...g2fo1_1280.jpg
You could always go the route of a fixed stock as well..... Phase 5 Universal Mini Stock
https://66.media.tumblr.com/14c51236...g2fo8_1280.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/814aa00f...g2fo4_1280.jpg
https://66.media.tumblr.com/3293edeb...g2fo9_1280.jpg
Stick that's pretty impressive metal stock performance! However, does one really want to maximize shock and awe on the RE during vigorous activity? I would guess an A1/A2 stock would be a better choice if you want your rifle to keep working after attacking trees and rocks [emoji6]
Dennis.
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Originally Posted by Dennis
Dennis,
Its an interesting thought, and originally I would have thought an A1, or probably A2 would have held up better. However, we took that stock out with the intent of severely beating on it, and the expectation that it would fail. It didn't, and I don't think any of the A1/A2 stocks would have been able to make the same claims.
Better question: is there any legitimate reason why someone would want this for a practical use ar-15?
I'll admit that I didn't know metal ar-15 stocks existed until this morning, but this seems totally unnecessary.
When I was in it was very common to see the bottom part of the M4 stocks broken. This happened when the rifle would take a fall onto concrete for whatever various reasons. Think of it this way though: if the very bottom of the stock didn't break, what would? A stock is very easy to replace and even when broken like they where; the rifles where still completely serviceable. Maybe the sling had to find a new attachment location. Now if the receiver extension or worse; the lower receiver threads where to get damaged; the gun would be immediately unserviceable. Probably wouldn't even work as a bolt action depending on how much damage the buffer tube receives.
I don't know about you, but this logic train makes it seem like polymer is WAY more preferable on a 'serious use rifle'.
Did you see any damage or wear in the latch mechanism? Maybe it would fail there before the RE?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stickman
Dennis.
Gotta make "mortaring" safer. :neo:
I always enjoy watching the guys with the stock all the way out, and who mortar at an angle instead of straight down. Its broken? Really? Wow, I'm shocked....Quote:
Originally Posted by The_War_Wagon
From the manufacturer's side the advantage is you don't have to cut a $100k+ injection mold, which also allows you to make changes to the design or introduce new products faster and cheaper. From the consumer side, you're getting a heavier, much more expensive product that has no real practical advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by jaramillo4418
If 2 identical guns where laid out, one with a polymer stock one with the same aluminum version, weight being withIn a few ounces which would you take?
Polymer. It's more durable if done right, i.e. Magpul.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrHandsome
The one that weighs less. Unless you are planning on hitting rocks or trees (see above), I see no point.
Aluminum versus Polymer?
As if there is only one type of aluminum or polymer...
I thought about picking up an aluminum CAR-15 stock recently, but after mulling it over, I chose the fiber/polymer one. I use my rifles in intense heat and cold and don't want my face on a heat/cold sink trying to make potentially critical shots.
Polymer. Aluminum gets hot in the summer sun and cold in the winter. Makes for a very uncomfortable cheekweld. I don't use aluminum handguards either.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrHandsome
However, the choice between an aluminum or polymer buttstock is subjective. If the aluminum buttstock is better suited to the mission requirements, it's the right choice.
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Originally Posted by jaramillo4418
You two stop bringing common sense into this. Didn't you read?! He's just not a "fan" of polymer. Besides, who hasn't had their chainsaw bayonet get gummed up and had to chop trees with their buttstock?Quote:
Originally Posted by turnburglar
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There are plenty of metal stocks for ARs and AKs that are in use. The weight difference is negligible but the metal is stronger. Yes metal is affected by temp more but unless you leave it in 100+ degree direct sunlight for hours like an idiot I doubt it will make much of a deference. So besides cost it’s a trade off between durability vs resistance to temp.
Plenty of us spent time in southern Iraq where things heated to obscene levels. Polymers have a slew of advantages, and I think most of us understand it (if not reread the first few pages). Like Nick said, cutting molds is expensive. We will soon be at a point where 3D printing allows for an entirely new realm of creative content, but we aren't quite there yet.
All it takes is fifteen minutes of Mojave sun or high desert winter.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrHandsome
I guess we were all idiots at my last carbine course then...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrHandsome
The Fortis LA Stock does have a carbon fiber cheek rest.
Spend some time in the Texas sun or sub-zero winter temps in Minnesota and see how that aluminum works for you.
Ha ha. I was just thinking about the times I forgot to wear my gloves in Iraq. Pretty toasty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sry0fcr
This thread made me think of how hot handguards would get in Ar Ramadi without covers. And zero shots fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by czgunner
Hey. How about Magpul polymer covers for metal stocks?? ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by 1168
Although I'm still mad I had to put covers on my beautifully finished Mega MMR forend...
Dennis.
I have a AR pistol that uses a A5 pistol RE and a Tailhook brace. I hated the feel of the aluminum on my face so much I bought some crazy thick heatshrink tubing on McMaster Carr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis