$1850 MSRP seems a tad steep, but who knows? Maybe it's the next big thing :D
http://caracalusa.com/caracal-car816-a2.html
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$1850 MSRP seems a tad steep, but who knows? Maybe it's the next big thing :D
http://caracalusa.com/caracal-car816-a2.html
No mention of materials used, testing or proofing procedures. So that's not helping justify the price.
Calliber 5.56 x 45mm NATO
Operating principle Gas operated, piston
Modes of fire Safe and semi
Overall Length (Stock Extended) 36.3" (922mm)
Overall Length (Stock Collapsed) 33" (838mm)
Barrel Length 16" (406mm)
Barrel Contour Modified M4
Rifling Twist 1:7” (1:178mm)
Flash Hider A2 Style – ½”-28 Threads
Sight Radius 14" (355.6mm)
Weight w/o Magazine 7.4 lbs. (3.4 kg)
Trigger type Mil Spec
Trigger Pull 5.5-9.5 lbs. (2.5-4.3 kg)
Magazine Type Polymer/Stainless Steel
Magazine capacity 30 rounds
Butt stock Magpul® STR Carbine Stock – Mil-Spec
Grip Caracal
Looks like a Sig 516.
and I've already lost interest.Quote:
the CAR 816 A2 is a tactical weapon
Until someone produced evidence that this deserves to compete with the likes of the scar or hk416, or even a rack-grade normal m4, I can't see why anyone would care about this.
They need better PR. If they price it low, the public looks at it as crap. If they price it high, the public looks at it as too expensive and not worth it. Without some form of marketing blitz to showcase why this weapon is worth it, they are going to have a hard time selling them.
People can hate on marketing all they want, but good marketing is both educational, as well as the aspect of making people desire the object.
The receivers's aesthetically pleasing, I like aesthetics of less curvered magazine thats in it too. Anybody know whats manufacturer and model of that magazine?
Regardless I won't be buying that thing even if it was $700 or something. There's other AR and gun I rather to put the money toward.
I know next to nothing about the company or their products. Am I willing to spend $1,800 of my hard earned dollars on one? Nope. They may be great rifles but; a) I'm no fan of piston systems. b) Only very basic specs are given. c) It's a very young company and hasn't built much of a reputation at this point. Right now there are too many good deals from great companies with good reputations to take a chance. YMMV.
Caracal is evidently contracting out the manufacturing to an outfit called Wilcox Industries. Not familiar with them, although they seem to do work for DoD contracts.
Oh. Well that's a shame.
I don't think it is a shame to have Wilcox build something. If anything the name brings credibility to the offering. Some of the most serious organizations in this country turn to Wilcox when they need something in short order and nothing on the market will do what they need.
The rifle seems similar to a Sig 516 because some former Sig engineer have done work for Caracal.
Their does appear to be some interesting changes including rail height, attachment method, and the rail surrounds the gas block. There are only so many ways to get a piston on an ar15. They will all start to look somewhat like the next.
I mean about the more straight 30 rounder mag being cgi not a real existing product.
(Yeah I know thats the curve is necessary for reliability of the magazine function due to sublet tapering of the round.)
Off topic a bit, but I was watching the SHOT Show video by The Firearm Blog featuring their new, improved Caracal F handgun. The Caracal rep mentioned that the original intent was to have the polymer frames shipped in from the UAE. However, since the UAE is involved in the current Yemen Crisis they've restricted the export of military-related items. So Caracal USA is having to have the frames made here which has affected the handgun's release date.
And a bunch of Hi-Points!
Caracal 816 is a well engineered piston gun, and Wilcox is an excellent manufacturer. Let's see how they do.
I will give no money to the house of Saud
Thank you for posting that video! It definitely changed my thoughts about caracal. I had thought of them as being something like Taurus
No surprise there. It was designed by Robert Hirt and Chris Sirosis, both formerly of Sig, who designed the 516 for Sig. Hirt is also one of the lead designers for the HK 416. The gas piston system on the 816 is virtually identical to the Sig 516. Everything that I have read indicates that the Caracal 816 is a top quality firearm. Inasmuch as I own three 516's that I am very happy with, I would love to have an 816.
Just picked one up from my FFL today. I am looking forward to ringing it out. So far I find it rather impressively put together and engineered.
I will. I haven't owned a gas piston gun before, but I have a stable of LaRue, KAC, LMT, etc etc to compare it against.
I bought this one since many consider it the most product improved 416 you can buy, plus it was only 999. Oh, and Wilcox made it.
https://www.rainierarms.com/caracal-car816-a2-rifle-16/
but out of stock...
If they would offer a full length Mlok hand guard, I would be interested. Would prefer chrome-lined barrel though.
Why would you post on a threat about piston systems when you say you don’t even like them???? You are only going to be negative more then likely. Which you did. Just wondering why. It’s bringing nothing to the discussion.
I have piston’s and DI’s. Both are solid. Various Colts, FN, Sig 516 and caracal upper. I shoot my pistons suppressed mostly. I tend to like DI more. I do run the 516’s full auto and they kick but. Pistons are front heavy
2022 purchase checking in here, will post a full range report after 1K rounds. So far, after a few hundred, from steel to 5.56, very good performer; no bench shooting, running & gunning. Clean-up is effortless. LEO discount is superb as well.