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I put this together after a recent trip to Israel. Saw a bunch like this. Carbines made from old M16a1 receivers but with M4 barrels.
Updated specs: This one has 1970s M16a1 Colt CH upper, old m16 Colt bcg, Bushmaster 1/7 chrome lined m4 barrel, w FSB. BCM Lower with Brownells CAR-15 type stock and vintage Colt grip. Old gooseneck mount. Holosun dot. Never saw any Holosuns in Israel, but I can't find the right Meprolight.
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Here’s one I did. The gun has since been torn down and rebuilt though (a couple times actually), so it no longer exists in the form pictured.
https://i.imgur.com/7VwkizX.jpg?1
It was based on this.
https://i.imgur.com/YcEHSrQ.jpg?1
At the time I was too cheap to get a proper A1 style lower for it though.
I’ve seen a lot of pics of IDF issued M16A1 rifles with A2 handguards. So I cloned one of those too. I do still have this one. Seen here with Israeli sling, gas mask and Israeli police surplus Browning Hi-Power
https://i.imgur.com/1et6Ege.jpg
Nice! We obviously saw the same carbines. My build is virtually the same as Larry Vickers old Colt 723, but his has deflector bump.
I've always wondered what the green and black stetchy band on the hand guard does for you? Better grip...something else?
My understanding is that it's to help reduce rattle on Ye Olde plastic handguards that have been attached. And detached. And attached. And detached. For decades. And may no longer fit as well as they once did.Quote:
Originally Posted by TomMcC
Sounds about right...maybe yoni knows for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainRaven
The carbine I posted above has actually been recently rebuilt as a more proper “late” 723 clone with a C7 style upper to go with the stepped 14.5” barrel. While there was a lot of variation in the 723 series during its production run apparently the combination of the older A1 style upper (without the brass deflector) and the stepped “M4” style barrel isn’t something that has been reported. While it’s possible, even likely, to have existed given Colt’s seemingly cavalier approach to assembling 723s with whatever parts they had kicking around, I opted to clone a more commonly seen configuration.Quote:
Originally Posted by creedal
https://i.imgur.com/wr2i1UV.jpg
I’m not a big PSA fan but when they came out with “M16A2” lowers I grabbed one, as 723s, being part of the M16A2 series, were typically marked as such. However after thinking about it I realized I had acted kind of impulsively as the lower technically wasn’t all that “correct”. the US Property marks are incorrect for a 723. The 723s that saw use by the US military were COTS guns and would have had the “commercial” style rollmarks without the US property marks. Another thing that is incorrect is the “burst” selector marking, although apparently some export 700-series carbines could be found with burst markings but S-1-Auto FCGs. I did end up using the lower all the same though.
https://i.imgur.com/1KMnnws.jpg
Green elastic band potentially fixed 2 problems. Rattle of worn out plastic parts, and more important carrying of a mag.
Jews for the most part are really stupid when it comes to guns. We started out with a bunch of people that had little to no gun background. Which gave us the famous Israeli condition 3 and the Israeli shooting stance with pistols. This is the best system in the world, for non dedicated shooters. Pistol is safe, until to rack the slide, the strong stance has given Israeli non dedicated shooters a way to have a very high hit ratio against terrorist.
Part of this is the idea that we send soldiers home with their rifle, but to be safe you must not put your mag in the rifle. So you need to carry a mag with you, you can stick it in your pocket but that is a pain. So the band allows you to stick your mag under it and it keeps your mag with your rifle.
Israel only has 2 places where people really know how to shoot. No unit in the IDF knows how to really shoot. YAMAM the top anti terror unit in Israel can shoot. YAMAM will get people in from top IDF units and if they get through the selection, they then are taught to really shoot. It is not uncommon for former members of the unit that did Entebee or former Israeli SEALs to say when I was in my old unit I thought I knew how to shoot, now I know it was BS.
Always appreciate your informative posts, Yoni.
Thank you for taking the time to write about your history and knowledge of the IDF.
Some people used the bands on the front of the rifle some on the stock. One other thing people would do is use a dummy mag that held your real mag at a 90 degree angle. So you hit the mag release reversed it inserted the real mag and ammo.
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Originally Posted by yoni
I’ve seen pics of those. Apparently there’s an “updated” version you can buy on Zahal now. Personally I’ll pass though.
https://zahal.org/product/fab-defens...l-mag-carrier/
I pass on this BS even in Israel.
Updated. Now this gun is just a Colt vintage upper with Colt BCG, updated M4 barrel. Lower is all BCM.
Why don't my pics look bigger the thumbnail?
Just assembled this 723 ish clone the other day. Where can I get some bands for the handguards?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...dd9105ae.plist
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a7c95526.plist
I hate this thread!
I have great memories of a Colt CAR15 with the pencil thin barrel cut down to 11.5", when off duty I carried it with a 20 round mag in it. I carried a spare 30 round mag in my left front pants pocket. I carried IWB my Hi Power and 1 spare 20 round mag that a friend in the PFLP donated to me.
I just posted this in a different thread the other day, but it sounds like it might be appropriate here too..Quote:
Originally Posted by yoni
https://i.imgur.com/swBVD68.jpg
The photo has 2 problems with it, first the rifle is not beat up enough. Second the sling on the from of the rifle was hooked to 550 cord tied to front of the front sight.
Damn I feel a pistol build coming as soon as Corona allows me.
If that comment is for me Mr. Yoni, I plan to put some wear on that carbine and I can fix that sling!Quote:
Originally Posted by yoni
Haha, perhaps some day it will have acquired enough “honest” wear and tear to pass muster. I guess I could drag it behind my car or something but I’m not generally a big fan of artificially wearing my guns to look more BTDT than they actually are.Quote:
Originally Posted by yoni
I went from getting old beater rifles, in the IDF. Then when I left the IDF and got to a better place it was brand new rifles that fast became well used.
I would not drag my rifle behind a car to give it that BTDT look. I had my brand new just back from CGW CZ P07 with milled in RMR on the kitchen counter. This pistol at the time had 300 rounds through it.
I was watching TV and I hear from the kitchen, you need to get in here right now, I messed up. I get into the kitchen, to see my brand new P07 covered in super glue. The wife was fixing something and the glue wouldn't come out of the tube so she squeezed as hard as she could, blowing the dried plug out of the tube and most of the tube all over my pistol. She missed the RMR, but I stripped that pistol down as fast as I could to keep it from getting glued together. It took me a lot of hours to get the glue out of some of the critical places. The pistol still has 2 super glue stains on the outside of the pistol from glue, that I just could get off.
So no don't mess up a new gun to make it look old, also try to keep your significant other from doing it also.
Heh! Super Glue can be removed by soaking with acetone.Quote:
Originally Posted by yoni
Not all of it. I tried, on the rough part of the grips I worked hours and I couldn't get it all off.Quote:
Originally Posted by MistWolf
Nothing being drug behind a car on a gravel road for 5-10 miles wouldn't fix in short order... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by yoni
Is that stock green, maybe tan? Doesn't look black in the photo.Quote:
Originally Posted by creedal
Other option is just use it every day for a few years. Nothing beats the look of battle worn battle worn.Quote:
Originally Posted by RHINOWSO
Believe it or not, I forget the time frame when these "battle worn" things were the craze. I recall building a basic carbine and tied 550 cord to it and drug it around the range, flipped sides and direction. Guys were laughing their ass off, thinking I lost it until I told them the price I was selling it for. I really don't know what possessed me to do it other than show people will buy most anything if it's in style.
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Originally Posted by yoni
Nice!
I just need an a2 style upper to build one. Now I've got the bug and no receiver!
With as snug as the bands I have on mine are (handguards and buttstock) I don't know how the hell someone got a mag to fit under them!Quote:
Originally Posted by yoni
I like the one on the buttstock. I keep it over the locking mechanism on the plastic CAR stock so it pushes the pivoting part of the lever into the tube; kind of keeps everything a little more snug and ever-so-slightly reduces wobble.
The ones on the handguard (I use the wider black one with the thinner green one over it) give a tad of a "bulge" to the center of the handguard and make a comfortable reference point when snatching it up to shoot.
Mine has a 14.7", chrome lined, 1:7 pencil barrel on it with an A1 FH perm-attached.Quote:
Originally Posted by yoni