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[the MSR version, not the regular one]
Ballistically they look pretty good. I know the .223 version has gotten a couple thumb's-up from a few of our resident BTDT types.......what about the .308 MSR version? I would think that it is essentially a larger caliber with the same bullet design only larger in diameter and weight, and therefore better terminal effects (?). Like the .223 version on steroids.
Opinions? Thinking about ordering some, no bolt guns involved.
Haven't used the .30 version/no opinion, but tacking on an extra question.
Wouldn't the 7.62x51(or however they name it) be loaded lighter than .308 Winchester? Most everything I have seen claims 7.62x51 vs .308 Win. is the loading pressure opposite of 5.56x45 vs. .223 Rem..
.223 MSR version works great on KY Whitetails especially considering the frequent wisdom various 7mm and .30 magnums are required to down a 120lbs to 200lbs animal. :rolleyes:
Winchester 7.62 NATO/7.62x51 149gr and Winchester 150gr soft point have a nominal 30fps difference. 2790 vs 2820. That's likely within the margin of error more than anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by jsbhike
Bottom line, the two cartridges are close enough not to be worth treating differently. An MSR load likely is just loaded with powder intended for shorter barrels and AR gas systems.
Yes, the 7.62 vs .308 is the opposite of 5.56 vs .223. However, being as it's an "MSR" load it should be made for semi-autos (as Alpha-17 pointed out).Quote:
Originally Posted by jsbhike
I've only seen the 165gr/168gr (can't remember which) MSR load used. From a 16" AR10 belonging to my buddy.
Great results on hog and whitetail.
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The 165gr load is only available in the "regular" (i.e. non-MSR) format. Doubt there is much of a difference to be honest. I'd like a 165gr MSR loading but settled for the 150gr version from Smokey Mountain Knife Works. It was $29.99 per box of 20, so taxed and delivered for 400 rounds was $694. Pretty steep, but it was the best price I found online.Quote:
Originally Posted by BufordTJustice
Gotcha. It was his ammo and he obviously was just using normal Fusion. Noted and thank you for the correction.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABNAK
Yeah MSR seems to add 75-150fps over normal Fusion...making 150gr + ~100fps a potent round.
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LOL No corrections bro, I only found that out myself as I browsed the Federal website. Unless I had looked into it I would have thought the MSR vs non-MSR product was a wash! Honestly, I don't think the difference is that great, but since they had one for a semi-auto vs a bolt gun I went for it. I would really like a 165gr MSR.....to me that would be the perfect balance of weight and velocity in an action it was designed for.Quote:
Originally Posted by BufordTJustice
Right on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABNAK
Yeah I actually dismissed MSR for the first several years after its release. Until I saw chrono results across multiple cals really bringing the heat.
I prefer 165-168gr for 16" AR10's (and my 22" Tikka in 308 as well). Still using my stash of 168gr Trophy Bonded Tip and the Federal Tactical 165gr version of the same load. It's a tipped TBBC with a boat tail, using GMM primer/powder/brass. VERY accurate and superb on-target. BUT, they stopped making it.
So, like you, a 165-168gr MSR round would literally be my first choice to replace my Trophy Bonded Tip stash, if Federal ever chose to make it.
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Would those roughly be the .30 caliber equivalent of the vaunted "FBI Load" in 5.56? What is it, the XM556FBIT3M?Quote:
Originally Posted by BufordTJustice
Now that you mention it, yes. Those would be the most direct analog.Quote:
Originally Posted by ABNAK
I suspect Federal dropped them because they had to pay royalties for every single projectile they used. They all had the "T" stamped on the base of the bullet just like very TBBC you ever saw.
Their new series (Edge?) seems to be very similar construction, but permitting them to get out from under the royalties.
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