Curious to see how these eventually turn out. Believe they're owned by Palmetto nowadays?
https://hr1871.com/#retro
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Curious to see how these eventually turn out. Believe they're owned by Palmetto nowadays?
https://hr1871.com/#retro
A lot of these will probably be NoDakSpud tooling with H&R rollmarks applied. Technically not owned by Palmetto, a parallel subsidiary under the same holding company. According to former NDS co-owner Harlan, Mike's expertise and the NDS tooling to build the "new" H&R brand and line right were the entire purpose in JJE's acquisition of NDS.
Time will tell, but the way it sounded the intent was basically to relocate NDS and spool it up even more with better capitalization and a "legacy" trademark.
Hope they can figure out how to do gray anodizing without a purple tint. Colt seemed to manage OK in the 1960's and "70's. But the older hippie crowd might like it :D
Sounds crazy, but am not that much into AR’s, more of a classic steel and wood guy. In fact currently only have one AR.
However being my first issue M16A1 was an H&R ( still remember the serial number 2216455) this does interest me
For the love of GOD, please make a H&R rollmarked T-48 FAL.
I'd also be interested in their retro M-16s so long as they aren't "goober spec" or the price of Colt retro rifles.
Would it be wrong/crazy to ask for new M1 Garands...made to spec?
I think those were already mentioned in Mike's thread over at Rimfire Central, but don't hold me to that since my memory is apparently Swiss cheese these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Straight Shooter
An M1 Garand with all forged and milled parts would be rather pricey. Probably around $2500 or more.
That would awesome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondback
Probably twice that based upon LRB M14 receivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slater
Considering the prices of M1 Garands nowdays, that might be worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slater
Some of these guns are now available on PSA website.
They had some complete M16A1 marked lowers for sale last week. I missed my chance to grab one, but from Reddit, the quality of the buttstock leaves much to be desired. The lower itself seemed good, however, so I'll probably just wait until they have a stripped one in stock and grab it.
Exciting news from the new H&R. Some guys were down in the basement of the old plant working on the boiler which was the same one that's been heating the place since WWII. The pipe going into the chimney was rusted completely through and they had to bust out the wall to get to the base of the chimney. Well the broke into a large store room that had been bricked in decades ago. In that store room were cases piled high of H&R M1 Garands that never shipped because the war ended. Towards the front were H&R Vietnam-era M16's, a special run in semi-auto only. They never shipped because that war ended.
Oh yeah and there were thousands of pre-embargo Cuban cigars and some prohibition-era whiskey in a hermetically sealed case.
That’s way better than Geraldo could have dreamed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ned Christiansen
Any details on their condition, how many, and what they plan to do with them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ned Christiansen
Gotta be an april fool's jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by prepare
They only ship once a year, on 4/1. Place order now for next year's shipment.Quote:
Originally Posted by prepare
That's the Brownells stock, it's certainly not the best. All the furniture being used on the PSA/H&R line is Brownells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha-17
The good news is that PSA/H&R recently introduced a repro trap door A1 stock and from the pictures it seems like a pretty well done copy of the original trap door A1 stock. It might even be able to substitute for a repro Colt CS stock if the butt plates are are interchangeable with A2 butt plates.
Seriously, M1 Garand's, CMP is still selling those, I want a Colt Monitor, a Bren, a Johnson LMG, a Stoner 63, a Carl Gustaf M/45 and the list goes on.
I was issued a GM Hydramatic for a while in 1st Cav, rollmarks are cool and all but just another M16.
The Monitor,Bren,Stoner, Carl Gustav and many more were available dirt cheap to CL03 dealers 40 years ago !
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e90e1610_z.jpg
Picked this guy up from my FFL yesterday. Still waiting on a buttstock and pistol grip to come in, but hopefully I can finish the lower by the end of the week. Then it'll be a matter of waiting for 1/7 twist M16A1 uppers to come in stock. (and me to have the cash to grab one.
Very nice. I guess it's time for me to get in line to purchase. Thanks for sharing.
Question for the hive mind: the problem with the H&R (as well as Brownells, and other cheaper reproduction) buttstocks is they are hollow and very much sound hollow. Has anyone tried filling them with some variety of spray foam insulation? I know that early M16 stocks were "foam-filled for rigidity" and to reduce noise, and it would make sense that the same result could be accomplished with modern foam. Question is, would spray foam accomplish the task?
The one from H&R appears to be foam filled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha-17
If you want it stiff, and to remain that way, you need structural foam. It's used to stiffen unibodies in luxury cars. Also works well for sports cars, as it adds a ton of stiffness without a ton of weight. It's a 2 part liquid that has to be mixed and poured, but once cured is truly rock solid. All that said, you're probably better off just springing for a Colt stock, or something. Unless you're just feeling adventurous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha-17
OTOH standard, Home Depot type "Great Stuff", foam is squishy. Stay away.
I might be wrong, but the general consensus is that the H&R stock is the exact same as the Brownells stock, and those are hollow with a plastic spacer for a bit of rigidity.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrbieler
Shame. I might try to find something better than Great Stuff, but cheaper than the structural foam, to see if it cuts down on the hollow feel/sound in anyway, but it sounds like I just need to start looking for an original A1 stock. Or rather, be prepared to grab one when my red neck attempt fails spectacularly. At last the stock I'll be working with was cheap, so no loss if I manage to ruin it.Quote:
OTOH standard, Home Depot type "Great Stuff", foam is squishy. Stay away.
Maybe try contacting H&R and ask 'em? I know back in the NoDak Spud days Mike used to be active over at Rimfire Central...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha-17
Might have to do that. I looked into it a bit yesterday, and I guess since the first batch of rifles/lowers came out, H&R started marketing their own buttstock. It's much higher in price ($90 vs $40), so it would make sense that they are an improvement on the Brownells type, but I've not seen any first hand info on them. PSA/H&R should probably do something about that, or update the listing with better pictures/info if they want to sell them. I passed over them when I ordered accessories from PSA because I didn't want to pay $90 for the cheap hollow stocks people got with the first batch, but would have paid more for a higher quality stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diamondback
Anywho: got the Brownells retro stock I purchased second hand, and it went on just fine. It does sound very hollow, but it at least looks good on the lower.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...915f93bb_z.jpg
I've got original stocks I would sell for $100 if anyone is interested also have triangle handguards and a few pistol grips. Guess I need to do a post in the marketplace.
It is not the Cav Arms stock. See below picture. Also lacks the Cav Arms oversized notch for the rear swivel. Would also explained the price point difference.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/medi...k_w_trap_4.jpg
Others have posted the differences on the other site.
That said, the Cav Arms stock is pretty solid once you replace the butt plate.
This is one of their hybrid carbines on 4th of July sale. It's got bits off both M16A1 and M16A2 carbines -- exactly like Colt's commercial lines when they were clearing out old stock to make new guns.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/medi...5133773b_1.jpg
That’s a nice looking carbine.
I know it's in jest, but the H&R M1s were made from 1953 to 1956, after the end of WWII and most after the cessation of hostilities in Korea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ned Christiansen
Andy
Well, I ended up trying the foam method on my early PSA/Brownells buttstock. Bottom line, it worked, even if I could have done it a bit better. Very tight fit on the receiver extension now, but it lacks the hollow sound it had before. The stock also is a bit sturdier, and heavier to boot.
After filling with foam, while waiting for the foam to cure:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a9689908_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...35e5a37c_z.jpg
After curing and trimming some excess:
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f085f50a_z.jpg
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...cf0f39b3_z.jpg
Nice. What kind of foam did you end up using?
Brilliant job !!! I think I'll follow your lead.
Locktite Tite Foam Multi-Purpose. It said it was good for door and window use, but I tested it on a empty Pepsi bottle. When it didn't bulge it out, I figured I was probably safe trying it on my stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by georgeib
Video of the sound difference. Crappy video is crappy, but hopefully you can hear the difference in the before and after:
https://flic.kr/p/2oLyShq
Nice, good call on the foam. The difference is night and day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alpha-17
Finally got a chance to put some rounds through the XM16E1 I got a few weeks ago. Put a bit over 800 rounds through the rifle Saturday, mix of LC M193, LC M855, Winchester 62 grain training ammo, and 55gr reloads. Even put a few 55gr True Velocity ploymer cased rounds through it to see how it worked. Wish I could say it ran flawlessly, but it had more than its fair share of malfunctions. Mostly magazine related, but quite a few weapon related ones initially. Those seemed to work themselves out over time, but the most concerning issue that remains is just how tight the chamber seems to be. Spent brass looks like I've rubbed it with sandpaper.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...21fd6a39_c.jpg
Top row some PMC brass fired from my in-law's AR, bottom row a mix of LC, Win, and FC brass fired through the H&R. Photo taken with flash to show case the scratches.
Possibly related, I had a instance of head-case separation on a FC case. The next round fed right into the case, and is now permanently attached to it. Ended up knocking the case out with a cleaning rod I brought in case H&R outdid themselves and made a perfect replica of the XM16E1s, right down to their problems. Well done guys! (I joke, this is more than likely a fault in the brass, I had similar issues with FC cases splitting almost a decade ago, and this one likely dates back that far.)
Anyone else ever have similar issues with the chambers being rough?