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I bought a Colt 6951 last week with the intent to SBR it. I filled out the Form 1 through Silencer Shop, and submitted it electronically yesterday morning. This morning, it was approved! I can’t believe it.
I have several other NFA items, including several SBRs, and I’ve never had one approved this fast. My last one was about a year ago, and that took a month (which I thought was pretty good). I remember back in the early 2000s (my first SBR) waiting 8 months!
The word on the streets is that the legislative branch is cracking down on govt buffoonery and that the ATF's lazy slop was low hanging fruit to show results.
It does not seem to be affecting trusts.
I applied as an individual.
Could be speeding up the process as they want to show proof that all guns can be registered and done quickly. The easier/quicker you make NFA approvals the more people will register…
Just got my RC3 back in one day through silencershop!
Individual?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dumb Gun Collector
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Yeah. Pappabear had some Trust stamps that are still bogged down in ATF Affirmative Action Hire buffoonery.
Yeah I’ve never done a trust.
It's nuts. This correct approval time is nice, but there's no NFA items I want. I'd like a Colt 6921, but I effectively have that already in a few of my existing M4s.
They also seem to not be prioritizing previous submissions, instead drumming up a frenzy of new purchases and continuing to focus on them.
What else would you expect. These are effectively post office level of quality employees. Completely worthless mouth breathers wondering when their next break is so they can look at tiktok.Quote:
Originally Posted by JediGuy
This is wild. I just had a Form 4 approved in 7 days. Good times.
Soooo, I get get a suppressor faster than I can get a gun here in CO (3 day waiting period, may go to 10 days…). “Get” an SBR faster than a standard rifle….
Ding, ding, ding. It may not be true, but that is what I always thought the ‘points’ system for braces was leading to. Features leads to points, so many points and your gun needs some kind of registration at the Federal level. And then states can pick a point max and get away from AWB on features and just titrate down the points until we just have our d!ck in our hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by rushca01
Not the word I heard. We have a buddy who is exceedingly intelligent, has done direct business with the US Gubment, and seems to have had credible info on many matters over the years. He said that Congress was pressuring worthless govt agencies to exhibit some form of competence in getting their jobs done. BATFE approvals was "low hanging fruit" to get quick results and create the impression that the government isn't completely worthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by rushca01
It remains to be seen how long this will last.
I just had a form 4 approved in 2 days for one of my customers. Yet Form 3's are taking 10-15 days. Ugh.
Just submitted a form 1 individual through silencershop. Will post back my approval date. Also awaiting first responders discount from Griffin and will be purchasing as dual-lok 5. I’ll post that timeframe too.
The byproduct of all of these short approval times is suppressors are out of stock everywhere. Just checked SS and SC and inventory is pretty thin. I haver heard several underlying reasons / causes for this. Certainly the legislative pressure is legit. They are also saying that their recent software updates have helped improve processing times but not sure on what changes were introduced to help with this. One of the most logical reasons that I heard was that if your NICS check came back instant approval the stamp is now being processed instantly. Instead of sitting in the queue with an approval until someone got to it to do final processing. No matter what the reason, it just shines a light on the fact that it never had to be the way it was. No reason for people to wait a year for a stamp. Ignoring the fact that stamps are an infringement to begin with.
Are these faster approval times still applying to individuals and not trust forms? Or are we seeing trusts also being approved in shorter time as well?
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I'm going to inquire with silencer shop tomorrow and get back to this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ap1220
My other inquiry with Silencer shop:
I want to eForm and build a SBS into a trust...the quicker the better...is it worthwhile to pay twice?
My thinking:
If individual eForm 1's are being processed fast, but trust eForm 1's are still being processed like normal (slow); couldn't you exercise the "I want it now" mindset?
For example: I file to build my SBS as an individual, pay $200, get approved quickly, build legally. Then pay another $200 and transfer to trust. It might take a year to transfer to the trust, but at least I legally built and owned my SBS for now.
The stars finally aligned today and I got to speak with Silencershop. The eForm 1's as individuals are indeed moving faster than eForm 1's to a trust. The individual route is taking an average of 8 days and the trust route is taking an average of 4 months. The ATF has told silencershop that the trust forms should start getting approved quicker and quicker; they may not ever be as fast as eForm 1's as individuals, but they will get much better than the current 4 month average.
I inquired about doing an individual eForm 1 to build an SBS, getting approved in 8 days, then transferring it to a trust later on. The lady at silncershop said you'd be fine, happy and legal early on and ultimately putting the item into a trust as I wish; just pay twice for the stamp. But, the transfer from individual to a trust would have to be on a paper form 4. Silencershop does not assist with that, so you'd be on your own to get finger prints, photos, LE sign off, the whole gammut. Additionally, she said, that paper form 4's are still taking up to a year. So even though you'd be legal soon, you still have to wait a year to get the item into a trust, and as already mentioned, pay another $200 .
So, I think the best way to put an item into a trust is to do the eForm 1 and wait a few months. According to SS and the ATF, the trust eForm 1 wait times could be, should be, getting better.
OP here. I was so encouraged by my Form 1 getting approved in a day that I hurried up and bought a 5.56 suppressor from Silencer Shop (YHM Turbo K RB). I made the purchase on March 19th and it took almost a month for the Form 3 to go through plus shipping to my local dealer. I just went in today and certified my Form 4, so hopefully this one goes quickly as well.
I personally won't do any NFA item that's not on the local dealer's shelf. There's so much opportunity for bungling. Glad yours is on the home stretch though.Quote:
Originally Posted by tkoglman
Update: My Form 4 was also approved in one day! Crazy!
yea I don't understand how the E-filed Form 3's are not an INSTANT thing. Its dealer to dealer for ****s sake. I waited 2 months for a shipment of suppressors to come in from my distributors on form 3. Literally use SilencerShop even for stuff that doesn't come from them because its so much easier of a process. Send my customers to a big box retailer that has a SilencerShop kiosk, they do their fingerprints and photo there then we complete the process on SilencerShop's automated system.
2 months for dealer to dealer and I've had 7 customers get 24hr approval and 1 guy get a 4 ****ing hour approval!
There is no reason behind any of the process.
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I'd love to see this kiosk. Does a customer pay to use it?Quote:
Originally Posted by jwfuhrman
Some places charge to use it since they cost $7000 to get the kiosk, but the Big Box place I send my customers too there’s no charge to use it.Quote:
Originally Posted by markm
It’s got a finger print scanner and a camera on it. Creates an electronic record of their prints and attaches it to their silencershop account. They are good for like a year before you have to get them re-done. All I gotta do is add the customer to the transaction on my end and SilencerShops automated E-file system does the rest thru eforms
That's impressive. I was just googlizing the thing.
All you need to redo after a year is your photo. It’s super easy. I got set up with Silencer Shop at my local dealer who has the kiosk, and I’ve ended up doing three Form 1 SBRs and buying three suppressors it’s so easy (don’t tell my wife).Quote:
Originally Posted by jwfuhrman
Capital Armory is similar. I don't know if they are using some proprietary software or working with Silencershop but they are maintaining electronic photos and fingerprint sets so subsequent orders are simplified after purchase is made as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by tkoglman
Damn. By the time I get my recent medical debt paid off, the affirmative action hires at ATF will probably be back to Post Office levels of efficiency again.Quote:
Originally Posted by tkoglman
lol! So true, I generally refer to them as DE&I clown hires.Quote:
Originally Posted by markm
Yes. That's the new nomenclature for worthless people with the desired skin color.Quote:
Originally Posted by the AR-15 Junkie
When Comcast went totally woke, the DE&I clowns they had installed to run the company, ran the stock into the ground, saw it coming, got out in August 2021 at $61.00 a share, now at $39.Quote:
Originally Posted by markm
There is no more woke company than Comcast. I hope Elon's starlink puts them out of business and in to bankruptcy.
Here’s some photos of my Form 4 and Form 1 items that were approved in a day:
https://imgur.com/a/9TL0bLB
Steyr AUG with YHM Turbo K RB and Colt AR 9mm SBR. That’s real diversity I can get behind.
It's complete insanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by the AR-15 Junkie
My wife has a human resources management degree and got a job working at Comcast back in the late '90's. Shortly after being hired, her boss left and a new one was hired. My wife wasn't sore about not getting promoted to take the place of her boss because she honestly didn't have the experience. Unfortunately, the guy they hired was clueless and knew far less than her. However, he did have the preferred skin color. Employees were required to have a personal credit card in order to pay travel expenses that would be reimbursed after an expense report was filed. Her new boss couldn't get a credit card because he had bad credit. So, she had to put all his travel expenses on her credit card. We didn't mind because we got points, but the odd thing was that the guy wasn't embarrassed about it in the least. She left after a couple of years to take a job with a much smaller company where she wasn't simply a cog in the machine.Quote:
Originally Posted by the AR-15 Junkie
The worst thing about DEI is that it's straight up racial, sexual, etc. discrimination. The second worse thing about it actually causes people to question whether others were hired based on their merit or due to some other physical or social characteristic that's unrelated to their job function. I'm glad that I work for a company that hires completely based on merit.