Psychedelic treatment linked to substantial reduction in alcohol misuse and PTSD

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04-20-23, 18:15
WillBrink

Psychedelic treatment linked to substantial reduction in alcohol misuse and PTSD

There's an existing thread on mushrooms and depression, but this study used ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT, so needs it's own thread:

Psychedelic treatment linked to substantial reduction in alcohol misuse and PTSD symptoms in US Special Operations Forces Veterans

A study of U.S. Special Operations Forces Veterans participating in an ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT treatment in Mexico showed that participants treated with these psychedelic substances showed a significant reduction in alcohol misuse 1 month after the start of the treatment. These effects persisted 6 months later and there was also a strong reduction in symptoms of posttraumatic stress disorder. The study was published in Military Psychology.

Participating in a war is a traumatic experience. Even for the highly trained personnel, elite soldiers chosen because of their outstanding physical and psychological resilience, exposure to combat situations, injuries and isolation have a profound adverse effect on health and well-being. To cope, many military veterans resort to drinking alcohol. Alcohol is the most misused substance by military personnel.

Cont: https://www.psypost.org/2023/03/psyc...veterans-74446

For those who wish to read the study: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...5.2022.2156200
04-20-23, 18:59
1168

Years ago, I participated in a thing for headaches, and took psilocybin. I completely lost interest in alcohol for a while, and have no idea why. I lost interest in tobacco for several years. Neither were goals or topics of discussion.

Cleared up the headaches, too, which I have also seen demonstrated in other persons with blast injuries. Like, immediately, like triptans. There’s a “House” episode that almost adequately says that.

I’m currently out as a precaution for an injury, which is rapidly driving me nuts. This is a topic that I think people should research with disregard for the government’s opinion, which has been well proven to be unscientific, and authoritarian. There is no basis, IMO, for the USG’s scheduling of that drug, and we should be hostile toward their claims.

Extremely hostile. The DEA kills people over my opinion on this. Kills, like as in murders, by shooting them to death extrajudiciously. The degree to which taxpayers and murderees are snowed is a travesty. It disgusts me as a doorkicker. Truly disgusting. Its why I despise feds and hope they all choke on dicks as they die while being cowards.
04-21-23, 09:04
WillBrink

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1168

Years ago, I participated in a thing for headaches, and took psilocybin. I completely lost interest in alcohol for a while, and have no idea why. I lost interest in tobacco for several years. Neither were goals or topics of discussion.

Cleared up the headaches, too, which I have also seen demonstrated in other persons with blast injuries. Like, immediately, like triptans. There’s a “House” episode that almost adequately says that.

I’m currently out as a precaution for an injury, which is rapidly driving me nuts. This is a topic that I think people should research with disregard for the government’s opinion, which has been well proven to be unscientific, and authoritarian. There is no basis, IMO, for the USG’s scheduling of that drug, and we should be hostile toward their claims.

Extremely hostile. The DEA kills people over my opinion on this. Kills, like as in murders, by shooting them to death extrajudiciously. The degree to which taxpayers and murderees are snowed is a travesty. It disgusts me as a doorkicker. Truly disgusting. Its why I despise feds and hope they all choke on dicks as they die while being cowards.

None what so ever. Drug laws kill more people than the drugs themselves. You can't have far more toxic drugs (booz and cigs) legal and expect anyone to take them seriously.
04-21-23, 09:49
gaijin

A family member uses Spravado (Esketamine) for severe Depression with favorable results.
04-21-23, 11:21
P2Vaircrewman

My nephew is having this treatment for depression and anxiety, it also is said to work on PTSD.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/healt...in-stimulation
04-21-23, 11:30
B Cart

Will, what are your thoughts on Ketamine Therapy? I know multiple people who have gone that route recently, and it seems to be increasing in popularity.

On our SAR team, we push Ketamine when needed during pre-hospital patient treatment, with good results, but it seems to be getting popular as a guided therapy for treatment of anxiety/depression etc. Similar effects/results to a psilocybin treatment? I know they are different, but both seem to produce a psychedelic trip. Pros/cons to either?
04-21-23, 11:34
WillBrink

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Originally Posted by B Cart

Will, what are your thoughts on Ketamine Therapy? I know multiple people who have gone that route recently, and it seems to be increasing in popularity.

On our SAR team, we push Ketamine when needed during pre-hospital patient treatment, with good results, but it seems to be getting popular as a guided therapy for treatment of anxiety/depression etc. Similar effects/results to a psilocybin treatment? I know they are different, but both seem to produce a psychedelic trip. Pros/cons to either?

Here ya go: https://brinkzone.com/my-experience-...amine-therapy/
04-21-23, 13:26
themonk

I am a firm believer that two things that can change the world that we (the US) are holding back are Psychedelic treatments (by the DEA) and mesenchymal stem cells (FDA and big pharma).

Tim Ferriss has done a ton of work on Psychedelic treatments and if you are looking to go down a rabbit hole this may be a good place to start - https://tim.blog/2021/03/31/psychedelics-101/

Mesenchymal stem cells are cells pulled from umbilical cords - more info here https://www.cellmedicine.com/ but they are literally the fountain of youth and can solve so many issues we have. You can't patent a biological so big pharma has been blocking it for years through lobbying of Congress and the FDA.
04-21-23, 14:28
B Cart

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillBrink

Here ya go: https://brinkzone.com/my-experience-...amine-therapy/

Wow, that sounds terrifying. One of the people i know who did Ketamine Therapy recently had some similar experiences, although not as dark, but same thoughts of being dead and convinced she was not coming back.
I personally don't feel any need to experiment with any psychedelic substances, but seems like more and more people i know are trying this type of therapy, so it's good to be familiar with some of the results. Thanks for the feedback.
04-21-23, 15:36
WillBrink

Quote:

Originally Posted by B Cart

Wow, that sounds terrifying. One of the people i know who did Ketamine Therapy recently had some similar experiences, although not as dark, but same thoughts of being dead and convinced she was not coming back.
I personally don't feel any need to experiment with any psychedelic substances, but seems like more and more people i know are trying this type of therapy, so it's good to be familiar with some of the results. Thanks for the feedback.

It was a bad experience. Doc said he'd only had a few people have a truly negative experience but I felt docs and users should be aware of the possibility. Very few seem to have negative experiences with mushrooms under controlled environment.
04-22-23, 01:25
TheTick

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1168

Years ago, I participated in a thing for headaches, and took psilocybin. I completely lost interest in alcohol for a while, and have no idea why. I lost interest in tobacco for several years. Neither were goals or topics of discussion.

Cleared up the headaches, too, which I have also seen demonstrated in other persons with blast injuries. Like, immediately, like triptans. There’s a “House” episode that almost adequately says that.

I’m currently out as a precaution for an injury, which is rapidly driving me nuts. This is a topic that I think people should research with disregard for the government’s opinion, which has been well proven to be unscientific, and authoritarian. There is no basis, IMO, for the USG’s scheduling of that drug, and we should be hostile toward their claims.

Extremely hostile. The DEA kills people over my opinion on this. Kills, like as in murders, by shooting them to death extrajudiciously. The degree to which taxpayers and murderees are snowed is a travesty. It disgusts me as a doorkicker. Truly disgusting. Its why I despise feds and hope they all choke on dicks as they die while being cowards.

Yeah... it's ridiculous that pot and shrooms are Schedule I, especially when I can go tell the doc that my back hurts and they'll give me legal heroin to my heart's content.

If I'm honest with myself, I have PTSD from stuff at work. Plenty of singular episodes and just cumulative of 20 years and I know that medical marijuana and/or micro-dosing shrooms (also with a prescription) would likely help me tremendously. But alas, I worked so hard to get onto and remain on a unit that has a higher likelihood of being in a shooting that most LE jobs. Heaven forbid they pull my blood if I make it happen.

Our DA's office put out a general warning a few years back when CBD was becoming all the rage telling us that it was not a good idea to take it as, being that it was not properly regulated, they could not be 100% certain there is no THC (which once again wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing) and we'd therefore possibly be in a bad way if we had to give a sample.

So I continue to suffer... not as bad as plenty of others... but definitely not having the time of my life either.
07-06-23, 10:36
WillBrink

Shawn Ryan discusses his experiences after a long list of guests from the SOF community told him how much they benefited from it. For those struggling with PTSD, depression, etc, well worth a view. He, like some others, also re discovered their faith after the experience, which is also noteworthy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asrnXJ-xCzs
07-19-23, 10:44
Stickman

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillBrink

There's an existing thread on mushrooms and depression, but this study used ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT, so needs it's own thread:

Psychedelic treatment linked to substantial reduction in alcohol misuse and PTSD symptoms in US Special Operations Forces Veterans

A study of U.S. Special Operations Forces Veterans participating in an ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT treatment in Mexico showed that participants treated with these psychedelic substances showed a significant reduction in alcohol misuse 1 month after the start of the treatment. These effects persisted 6 months later and there was also a strong reduction in symptoms of posttraumatic stress disorder. The study was published in Military Psychology.

Participating in a war is a traumatic experience. Even for the highly trained personnel, elite soldiers chosen because of their outstanding physical and psychological resilience, exposure to combat situations, injuries and isolation have a profound adverse effect on health and well-being. To cope, many military veterans resort to drinking alcohol. Alcohol is the most misused substance by military personnel.

Cont: https://www.psypost.org/2023/03/psyc...veterans-74446

For those who wish to read the study: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...5.2022.2156200

I'm aware of persons involved in that series of events. There are people who get some seriously bad trips, which is something I wish were followed up on a bit more. However, across the board it is a solid experience that is highly recommended by the guys willing to talk about it. I had seriously thought about it at one point, but no longer feel I'm in the same place that I was back then.
07-19-23, 11:11
WillBrink

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stickman

I'm aware of persons involved in that series of events. There are people who get some seriously bad trips, which is something I wish were followed up on a bit more. However, across the board it is a solid experience that is highly recommended by the guys willing to talk about it. I had seriously thought about it at one point, but no longer feel I'm in the same place that I was back then.

Very few have a bad experience with Psilocybin, but some do with 5-MeO-DMT apparently. 5-MeO-DMT is the most intense of them but also very short lived. So far, all those willing to talk about it I have seen report a benefit, even of the experience itself was not great.
07-19-23, 11:30
Stickman

Quote:

Originally Posted by WillBrink

Very few have a bad experience with Psilocybin, but some do with 5-MeO-DMT apparently. 5-MeO-DMT is the most intense of them but also very short lived. So far, all those willing to talk about it I have seen report a benefit, even of the experience itself was not great.

Sounds like we are hearing the same back channel info, which means more to me than the paperwork docs.

Looking forward to your thoughts and comments on the thread I just started regarding Ketamine Therapy.