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Are any of you guys running a red dot on your AK’s upper rail or gas tube rail (Ultimak)? I’m not a big fan of the side rail mounting options for the Zastava M70 and I’m worried about the heat. Of course everything I’ve read says as long as you’re running a T1 no worries. Well I don’t run T1s…….I run MROs. The MRO isn’t trash but it’s not a T1. If it’s going to seriously diminish the life of my optic I’ll go another route.
Stay safe
Heavyweight
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I run PA or HS. No worries. MRO should be fine.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JR_mIW2rssw&pp=ygUcbXJndW5zbmdlYXIgaXB0aWMgb24gdWx0aW1haw%3D%3D
Got an ultimak on my polish underfolder. The trijicon reflex ACOG has no issues with the mount.
MRO is still Trijicon, should be fine. Also looks like there is a high mount which should alleviate any concerns with an Ultimak mount since you aren't gonna get a co witness anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavyweight
Yep…..the lower 1/3 co-witness mount IS pretty tall. Good point. I was just afraid it would act like a heat sink. Sometimes I think if I didn’t have something to fret about I’d wither and die!Quote:
Originally Posted by SteyrAUG
I don’t know why the MRO gets so much hate. I love them. I don’t think anything else is comparable in that price point (easily found under $400). But I’m heavily biased.
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You're not a fan of side rail mounting in general or you're not a fan of the options that you've seen? If it's the latter, then check out the Yugo optic mounts by AK Master Mount (that's the brand name). They're extremely well made and work great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavyweight
My experience with other side rail mounts on other AKM platforms was that the optic ended up sitting a bit too high for my liking. Certainly shootable but I really like my cheek down on the stock. So I was just avoiding them in general. If anyone made a railed top cover for the M70 that didn’t totally suck I’d be all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bret
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You might have to learn to shoot an AK (not a shot but if you aren't used to them), if you are coming from a M4 with low profile optics there is a learning curve. There is a reason the Russian military developed side mounts and it isn't because they didn't test everything else under the sun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavyweight
If you can make an Ultimak work then you are good, but I find them to be just a little too forward mounted for my tastes. There is also a mount that replaces the rear v notch sight that you might want to consider.
It’s a valid point. I have very little real time working behind an AK. Feels very foreign (no pun intended) to me right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteyrAUG
I ordered an Ultimak gas rail and one of the M.I. biased forward side rails specifically for the MRO. So it should sit as low to the receiver as possible. Just gonna have to try some shit out and decide.
Thanks fellas.
Heavyweight
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Don't feel alone, I had to "learn" AKs too. Awkward optics, even irons aren't ideal, strange / different trigger, typically a short LOP unless you have a NATO length stock, rock and lock mags require some time if they are new to you and a host of other differences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavyweight
Took me more than a little bit before I could effectively shoot an AK pattern rifle as well as my others.
I've got an old Burris Fastfire mounted on a Midwest Industries red dot mount which co-witnesses with the irons, and it's still working. Not the best red dot, so a Trijicon or Aimpoint should be fine.
https://i.imgur.com/t20SXuN.jpg
There is a chance that the MRO could benefit from the very forward positioning with the ultimak. The MRO with its notorious parallax issues could have reduced problems the further from your eye.
I’ve never experience the parallax problems that so many seem to complain about. I own 5 MROs including one with a 14k serial number that I’ve been running since 2015. Maybe I’m really consistent with my cheek weld and head placement. Or maybe I’m lucky. No magnification issues either. Just the slight blue tint. Ive shot a lot of steel between 10 and 20 yards…..when I miss it’s all me. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...391e1b0b53.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Krazykarl
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10 to 200 yardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Heavyweight
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Here's the rear biased Yugo optic mount that's made by AK Master Mount. It sits as low as you can get without being on the rail. It's pretty much at a perfect height for me to get a good cheek weld for my ACOG. They also make a full length version if you want your optic to be more forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavyweight
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It was just the opposite for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteyrAUG
I used combloc stuff from the beginning and had to "learn" the AR pattern. It felt completely foreign the first time I fired one.
That was the 90's and people hadn't really figured out how to build them yet. Lots of stoppages in classes and competitions while my AKM worked. I know they've improved since. I played with them and had a couple that ran well. Used one at a two-gun match and had a stoppage. I didn't practice clearing them enough so it ruined the stage. I never really cared for AR's but am impressed by thier accuracy. I don't own one now. (Or any AK's)
But I digress.
The Ultimak is an excellent way to mount your RDS. If you dont like that, or want to use a magnified optic, use the side rail. I tried many ways and that's what I learned.
Hey Bret…..how do you like the M90? Decent accuracy? If I hadn’t already had lots of ammo and magazines for the 7.62 I’d probably have gone the M90 route.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bret
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It's accurate and reliable with very good fit and finish. The only negative is that it's heavy. I have several M90 variants.
I think I got my SP1 carbine in 1981 and despite shooting some of the cheapest surplus ammo I could find in Sportsman's Guide (Like Malaysian surplus from the 60s) the few stoppages I've had have all been magazine related (usually tying to save a dollar on some no name 30 round crap magazine).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron3
My dad got an A2 rifle around 85/86 and we went shooting the week of my wedding in 2001. When I went to clean his the bolt and carrier looked like a piece of charcoal with worn lumps of carbon all over it. I asked him when he cleaned it last and he told me "Well I bought it around 1986." Not sure of the round count but he was a regular shooter.
But yeah when people started doing builds, I saw lots of problems.
Man I wish my dad had been into guns. He was a big time hunter. He took the grand slam of North American sheep in the 70’s. He believed in guns for self defense but by today’s standards was a total fud. Guns were tools. The most interesting thing he owned was a S&W 686. I tried time and time again to get him to buy so many of the awesome offerings at that time by H&K and a Colt AR. He’ll, I couldn’t even get him interested in a Hi-Power or 1911. He’d say do I look like a terrorist to you son? And he wouldn’t buy on my behalf using my own money. When I turned 18 I started buying what I could but I didn’t have the access to the cash I needed to buy very much. So I missed out on a lot of great opportunities.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteyrAUG
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That could be its own thread, definitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heavyweight
My Dad has a few guns but isn't into them as a hobby. I had that connection with a stepfather.
My Dad was into sail boats and while I enjoyed learning about them and sailing I got bored with it pretty quickly. So I just didn't want to go out. I mentioned plenty how much fun a power boat and even fishing would be but he had no interest in those.
Sharing a hobby with your mom or dad must be a pretty great thing.