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Photos of the British Army fielding new LMT .308
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Very, very cool! Congrats to LMT:D It's great to see something good come out of my home state.
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You know whats ironic about this. If the US Military had done this we would still be several YEARS from those rifles being in the field.:(
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Oi! Tommy! That's me rifle you got there.
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Where is Sgt. Sharpe when you need him? :D
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I wonder if they'll embrace the P-Mag? That top mount RDS needs to find a new home, maybe the DD offset mount. I can see them finding the need for a variable optic, as the 6x ACOG is limiting. Otherwise, I want one.
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NUFF SAID.....awesome find and very cool pics.....I would love to know how many terrorist have been smoked already, I would smoke a cigar for each one:)
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TRIDENT82
NUFF SAID.....awesome find and very cool pics.....I would love to know how many terrorist have been smoked already, I would smoke a cigar for each one:)
...and drink a shot? :)
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DMR
You know whats ironic about this. If the US Military had done this we would still be several YEARS from those rifles being in the field.:(
Same with the multicam uniforms (officially their own MC based pattern). How long was it after they started looking into it before they made the announcement that they were going to the MC? Something like 4 months IIRC. And they are already fielded as well.
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Those are Royal Marine Commandos.
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Failure2Stop
Those are Royal Marine Commandos.
Any one that you know;)
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DMR
You know whats ironic about this. If the US Military had done this we would still be several YEARS from those rifles being in the field.:(
If you think the British model is to be envied, you are completely wrong.
The time from solicitation to deployment is comparable to the 416- proof that COTS can work. However, COTS is not a possible solution for service rifle replacement, though it is viable for low-density specialty buys, which is why that path has been followed for the past several decades.
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Failure2Stop
If you think the British model is to be envied, you are completely wrong.
The time from solicitation to deployment is comparable to the 416- proof that COTS can work. However, COTS is not a possible solution for service rifle replacement, though it is viable for low-density specialty buys, which is why that path has been followed for the past several decades.
That is true in a few instances, but I have been involved personaly in specialty applications for limited use specialized equipment that took a detour along they way and averaged 3 years from requirement to delivery. One of my special interest items, just went from a requirement to a Sources Sought. The requirement was identified by the field in 2006, with the "interium" solution perhaps going to the field next year(although we have a bridge of systems borrowed from Crane). This is for a very low density piece of specialized Infantry Kit. If the 416's are the USMC's IAR's I wold agree with that example, if you mean the CAG/AWG 416's that's a differant can and type of worms.
That said I'm going to go on mute, since this is a off topic side bar.
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Failure2Stop
Those are Royal Marine Commandos.
I thought "Commando" was a unit designation (like Team or Platoon) within the Royal Marines... This has always confused me. :confused:
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Very awesome. I wonder if one of those might have been one that at one time was supposed to come to me. I am glad to get passed up so they can get them. I like that new multi cam. It was in a mag with the rifle a little different than what we get.
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I was completely unaware of how utterly massive that model of Trijicon was. Gigantic.:eek:
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thopkins22
I was completely unaware of how utterly massive that model of Trijicon was. Gigantic.:eek:
Those 6x acogs are huge and very heavy. I would never want on of those.
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Wow look at em! Especially with their Multicam. I would have gone for a variable optic.
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**** those guys.
{jealousy}
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IrishDevil
I wonder if they'll embrace the P-Mag? That top mount RDS needs to find a new home, maybe the DD offset mount. I can see them finding the need for a variable optic, as the 6x ACOG is limiting. Otherwise, I want one.
Oi! You think like me, mate! ;)
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bkb0000
**** those guys.
{jealousy}
:D :D
:)
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what am i missing here? what's with the tape (?) over the holes in the rail?
first time i've seen this kind of thing.
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bkb0000
**** those guys.
{jealousy}
LOL. Keep in mind they use the SA80, so dont hate them too much.
After a couple of decades of that nightmare, they are long overdue for a decent weapon.
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LOL. Keep in mind they use the SA80, so dont hate them too much.
After a couple of decades of that nightmare, they are long overdue for a decent weapon.
Of course long overdue. I do think us American can benefit from their HK mags.. .:D
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I do think us American can benefit from their HK mags.. .:D
By realizing that there's no need to spend that much on mags and that they're a wear item and then simply buying many more USGI/PMAGS, I agree we can benefit greatly from other people's experiences with HK mags.:p
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I honestly do not believe the 2 HK mags I own are any better than all my pmags....over the long haul too. You cannot beat a pmag...and I am sure the .308 pmag will prove to last the test of time.
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what am i missing here? what's with the tape (?) over the holes in the rail?
first time i've seen this kind of thing.
Just a guess but maybe they oil the barrels to prevent surface rust and put tape over said holes so dirt doesn't stick to this oil?
Any other guesses?
Also, perhaps it's just camoflauge since the pattern of holes would make the rail attract the eye--in nature, things are not that symmetrical and of course, black is whack.
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Just a guess but maybe they oil the barrels to prevent surface rust and put tape over said holes so dirt doesn't stick to this oil?
Since there are umpteen other places for dirt to enter, and the barrel is stainless, I doubt it.
I think it may be to hide the gas tube (glare signature)...if their tube is silver like the civilian version.
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ArmedSuspect
what am i missing here? what's with the tape (?) over the holes in the rail?
first time i've seen this kind of thing.
That green fabric tape is referred to as "Sniper Tape", and any good Marine will cover anything shiny or black with it. The gas tube is pretty obvious, but I suspect that the tape is more of a weapon camouflage than anything else.
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Infidel74
Those 6x acogs are huge and very heavy. I would never want on of those.
I've wondered why they selected this particular optic myself.
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Failure2Stop
That green fabric tape is referred to as "Sniper Tape", and any good Marine will cover anything shiny or black with it. The gas tube is pretty obvious, but I suspect that the tape is more of a weapon camouflage than anything else.
Help with mirage and heat coming off the barrel?
Out of curiosity, if you had the tape, why not just use that instead of painting the rifle?
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GermanSynergy
I've wondered why they selected this particular optic myself.
It's two 1/4 pounds. The Elcan DR is just shy of 2 pounds if I'm not mistaken. Most precision optics are heavier/bigger than their practical cousins.
In the DMR role a 6x scope is an excellent scope. 3-4x is serviceable but limited.
I'm quite sure they understand their needs better than we do.
I'll be very curious to hear how reliably the rifle performs.
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GermanSynergy
I've wondered why they selected this particular optic myself.
I thought they already had them in inventory for their GPMGs, so perhaps just an expedient option?
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khc3
I thought they already had them in inventory for their GPMGs, so perhaps just an expedient option?
That is the way I understand it as well.
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FromMyColdDeadHand
Help with mirage and heat coming off the barrel?
More interference mirage will come off the rails than anywhere else.
However, at the magnification levels used and the performance envelope constraints it really isn't anything worth losing sleep over.
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Out of curiosity, if you had the tape, why not just use that instead of painting the rifle?
Tape vs Paint?
If you can't paint your gear. . .
I think you answered your own question.
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Gutshot John
I'm quite sure they understand their needs better than we do.
You might be sadly suprised.
The 6X ACOG is not the preferrred optic for that kind of work, for a plethora of reasons. There were good guys trying to fix the issue, but in the end it was a UK Army program with the UK Army making the final decisions. We'll see where the program sits in a couple of years.
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The 6x acog on the MWS's is for one reason....SURPLUS from British LMG's that are using the 6x acog. They could have ended up with a ton worst imho and the 6x acog is one of the finest optics to run in front of a clip on NV device like a PVS-22/UNS.......and you can count on this gun in the role it fills using some sort of NV although I do not know which particular unit they are fielding.
Down the road, as the 6x acogs wear out, you will see more traditional variable powered glass on them..until then obviously the Brits have no problems fielding the guns with the acogs.
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GermanSynergy
I've wondered why they selected this particular optic myself.
I had the good fortune to look through one at the Trijicon booth during a recent convention in Tampa. Despite the magnification, it was a spectacular optic.
And the weight wasn't really as bad as you might suspect.
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Safetyhit
I had the good fortune to look through one at the Trijicon booth during a recent convention in Tampa. Despite the magnification, it was a spectacular optic.
And the weight wasn't really as bad as you might suspect.
Thanks. I haven't had the chance to handle one, but it did look to be a bit on the heavy side. If the end users are happy with the optic, and it is performing in a reliable manner, it's all good. :cool:
ETA: I'm happy to see the British Infantrymen finally getting the quality kit that they need to do their job.
-Crye Multi Cam
-LMT 308
-DD RIS for the L85