That should fall in line with my thinking then... I never planned to use this as a long range precision piece. It was always just gonna be a heavy duty .308 version of a patrol/combat carbine. Thanks for the info on Crane.
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Best 308 AR......IMO?
SR25 ACC with a 1-8
Hey Big Daddy...
I like the platform for like you said, delivering just a little more payload for those problems that require just a little more...
I took a sniper class a few years back at Camp Atterberry and one of the other students used a 14.5" Noveske barreled .308 platform. Although the class stressed using the reticle for range estimation, and everything from 10yrds out to 500, he had no problem staying with the other shooters. I think he was using something like 3x14 power scope.
During one of the breaks in shooting we noticed a ground hog on the 500 yrd berm and decided " why not " so of course he was behind one of the many steel plates within my sector, so I was out of the running, but the guy with the short .308 did him in on his first shot... ( most of the time he was using 168 gr Fed Match & American Eagle Match designed for the M-14 )
Yep, I think that platform has a lot of utility, especially with such a wide selection of projectiles out there...You might even give those 155gr match loads a spin for those longer distance shots...
Cool rifle. I'm curious what it weighs dry w/o the glass? That's the only thing that kept me from ditching my SCAR 17 and building a 308 AR. If I can get to 8 pounds dry no glass, I might try it.
1. No clue what it weighs. I don't have any scales.
2. I would like to know why everybody is always so preoccupied with weight?
I see this is every single thread when someone is talking about a rifle they just pieced together. Every singe time. It's a rifle. It's a .308 sized AR, so I'd guess it's around 8 or 9 pounds, but it's not a 23 pound M60, so I'm good. In the immortal words of our former Sec of State... "What difference does it make?" Sure you can count each ounce, but if you're a full grown adult male, a few ounces, or one pound one way or the other shouldn't make life too difficult.
If I was worried about weight, I wouldn't have done a .308 rifle. I did try to keep it as light, and compact as I could by going to the 14" barrel, but I don't worry too much about it.
Yeah, I have to agree. People get really hung up on weight when it comes to battle rifles. Having humped a variety of weapons across many a mile, they all get heavy. .308s will be heavier than a 5.56 gun, but as long as it's not a massive increase, it shouldn't be a huge deal.
Just when I think I'm going to chill on my builds for a while I see something that either inspires me or reminds me of a project that I've had on the shelf too long. This does both!!
It's an outstanding build with some quality parts and you should be proud of it. I would like to get some input from you on a couple of parts.
1. The Lantac enhanced BCG - what performance or "enhanced" functionality do you see this BCG giving you? The best BCG I've ever had my hands on was my LMT MWS BCG, it was an amazing BCG. For my other 308 builds, I've either used BA BCG's or in my last build a Toolcraft 308 BCG. It works as designed, but doesn't bring any additional functionality to the table.
2. JP Captured spring - I'm not sure if you have shot another AR 308 to compare it to, but do you believe it's reducing felt recoil? One of my goals if...well WHEN I build a shorter barrel 308 will be an attempt to mitigate some of the recoil without impacting reliability both short term and long term. What factors influenced you to go this with this buffer system?
Again, I just want to tip the hat to you brother. You've always put really solid builds together and this is no exception. I agree with you on the purpose - I won't be building a short barrel 308 because I want to ring the 1000yd gong. I will build a short barrel 308 because I want a bigger hammer that's more maneuverable and usable in tight spaces. I also agree with you on the weight thing. I've never been a fan of the uber lightweight AR's or guys bitching and moaning about how heavy their AR is. That said, I did end up selling my MWS because with a can, and running drills with it, my left shoulder was just killing me for days afterwards. So when I built my current 16" 308, I did pick up a Troy carbon fiber MLOK rail. I haven't seen any negatives of using that rail, but I also know that it's not as sturdy as that built like a tank MWS monolithic system. But it was a compromise that I was willing to live with. Thanks for taking time to respond, look forward to you input.
Thanks for the kind words. Quite the opposite I got what I was not leaving my Mausers in their original factory, unusable to my old eyes. condition...
1. The "enhanced" part of the Lantac, is supposed to be that is delays the unlocking a bit, and softens up the recoil impulse. It is also supposed to work very well when suppressed, keeping more of the gas out of your face.
2. The silent captured recoil spring kit is supposed to A. help with the annpoying "twang" of the spring. Some rifles do this more than others, and I've just been wanting to try it on a build, so this was it. B. I got the kit with 3 different springs in case I needed to tune it a bit. I was wondering how it would run with the 14" barrel, and the Lantac. Turns out I haven't had to change it. I suppose I could to see if it's any better than it is now, but I liked the way it runs, and it's been 100% reliable, so I just left it as it came. My guess is that both Lantac, and Ballistic Advantage did their job right on their products, so the standard spring just worked.